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EdTechTalk Community Assembly
Discussing the ETT Policies Draft


20:02:56 JenniferWagner ->  it is black for me too
20:03:00 JenniferWagner ->  but I can hear just fine
20:03:21 JenMad ->  sounds great!
20:03:22 JenniferWagner ->  and I will call later -- when you want my additional ideas  :)
20:03:26 Rabbit ->  I can hear.
20:04:18 JL ->  http://edtechtalk.com/node/1492
20:04:19 JohnS ->  http://edtechtalk.com/node/1492
20:04:29 JenniferWagner ->  is this node private or public??
20:04:33 JenMad ->  @ds ... hi!
20:04:57 JenniferWagner ->  can I put it in my delicious--- is what I am asking??
20:05:09 JL ->  sure jen
20:05:45 JenMad ->  @john ... "we" have been working on TOS? Speak for yourself :)
20:05:53 JenniferWagner ->  Jen Wagner -0- So California
20:06:27 JenMad ->  Columbus document ... you guys kill me :)
20:06:54 JohnS ->  You'll remember the node number, now.
20:07:15 JenniferWagner ->  wonder what the 1812 node will be like --
20:07:19 JenniferWagner ->  or the 1776
20:07:27 JohnS ->  lots of cannons.
20:08:26 Lorna ->  me I said something?
20:08:32 JL ->  http://edtechtalk.com/mission
20:09:14 Lorna ->  gves me warm fuzzies
20:09:17 JenniferWagner ->  QUESTION
20:10:21 JenniferWagner ->  is EdTechTalk totally synonomous to World Bridges -- are they one and the same??  or are they different
20:10:31 JL ->  document being discussed: http://edtechtalk.com/node/1492
20:10:36 JenniferWagner ->  so should it be World Bridges/ETT or just World Brides
20:11:11 JoseRodriguez ->  Hey Folks
20:11:13 JenniferWagner ->  LOL -- World Bridges -- not WOrld Brides-- that is another show
20:11:31 JenMad ->  Can John or Jeff summarize some of the points that they feel are "hot" buttons?
20:11:54 JenniferWagner ->  cuz the mission says World Bridges
20:12:15 JohnS ->  Mission needs work.
20:12:29 JenniferWagner ->  this is not really a mission statement -- it is more of an explanation
20:12:42 JenniferWagner ->  a mission statement has goals and direction -- :)  but it is a good beginning
20:12:52 JenniferWagner ->  I like HOME GROWN
20:13:08 JenMad ->  ... and "we're sorry" ... put that in there, too.
20:13:19 JenniferWagner ->  :)
20:14:08 JoseRodriguez ->  A showhost are the webcasting team
20:14:10 mrsdurff ->  why define a difference?
20:14:33 JenniferWagner ->  The show host then can change --- so you would want a SHOW PRODUCER category too
20:14:35 mrsdurff ->  why not just say show participants
20:14:35 JoseRodriguez ->  they are in charge
20:14:39 JenMad ->  So, show hosts are different than Producers?
20:14:45 JenniferWagner ->  our SHOW HOST changes each week based on the Moderator
20:14:55 JenniferWagner ->  but the producer -- in our case -- is me
20:14:59 JoseRodriguez ->  what's the deal with the producer?
20:15:09 JenMad ->  hosts =  "crew" ... ok
20:15:11 JenniferWagner ->  The Final Go To Person??  Perhaps??
20:15:12 mrsdurff ->  then Jose you are our producer
20:15:35 JenniferWagner ->  No perhaps the BOSS -- but the person to "go to"
20:15:46 JoseRodriguez ->  I see.....
20:15:46 JenniferWagner ->  not my show -- just my original idea
20:15:58 alicemercer ->  Oh no, Durff runs things
20:16:00 mrsdurff ->  alice i nominate Jose to be our producer
20:16:02 JenniferWagner ->  :)
20:16:31 JenniferWagner ->  I think you do need a "Definite" final GO TO person
20:17:09 alicemercer ->  Yeah
20:17:22 mrsdurff ->  but we all have content elsewhere
20:17:23 JoseRodriguez ->  I'll be the producer but the ladies, REALLY in charge.
20:17:27 alicemercer ->  Jose, you're it.
20:17:33 JenniferWagner ->  so you have the "EDTECH" name??
20:17:45 JenMad ->  Next week, join us for "JenTechWeekly"!
20:17:48 JenniferWagner ->  that is a "brand" for only this area to use??
20:18:03 mrsdurff ->  i like JenTechWeekly
20:18:06 alicemercer ->  Someone leaving????
20:18:07 JoseRodriguez ->  I'll be the producer as long as I can find free wifi
20:18:30 mrsdurff ->  exactly
20:18:31 JenniferWagner ->  or EdTechLite   :)
20:18:34 alicemercer ->  What the heck is that?
20:18:43 mrsdurff ->  Jen's show
20:18:50 JoseRodriguez ->  catching a low signal outside of dance studio right now :-)
20:18:56 JenniferWagner ->  free wifi??  is that what you are asking??
20:18:56 alicemercer ->  Great taste? But not as filling?
20:19:02 JenMad ->  EdTechConversationWeekly
20:19:22 mrsdurff ->  there are other shows out there with 'EdTech.." in the name
20:19:29 JenniferWagner ->  dealing with my pen just exploding    :)    hmmmm
20:19:34 alicemercer ->  I'm a talking head, BUT...there is so much that Durff, and Jose do
20:19:47 mrsdurff ->  i do nothing
20:19:48 alicemercer ->  I'm like a newscaster sometimes, so I understand
20:20:03 alicemercer ->  Jose started it, and he gets it.
20:20:06 alicemercer ->  I understand
20:20:10 mrsdurff ->  except nominate Jose
20:20:23 JenniferWagner ->  but by saying the Producer -- you could say that is the GO TO PERSON -- and not necessary the IN CHARGE PERSON
20:20:37 JoseRodriguez ->  true
20:20:40 JenniferWagner ->  I second the nomination of Jose
20:20:42 alicemercer ->  Last man standing?
20:20:52 alicemercer ->  Hey let's nominate him for that!
20:20:59 mrsdurff ->  does the board serve for life?
20:21:16 JenniferWagner ->  jose -- you are going to NECC??  when do you leave?  and Alice??
20:21:18 alicemercer ->  Hmm,
20:21:20 JoseRodriguez ->  It says veto by the MAN
20:21:28 alicemercer ->  Friday at 5 a.m. local time
20:21:40 JenniferWagner ->  Not the name of MY next show
20:21:40 alicemercer ->  Jose, you have reservation yet?
20:21:41 mrsdurff ->  oi veh
20:21:46 alicemercer ->  YUCK!
20:21:53 JenMad ->  w00t!
20:22:04 alicemercer ->  Hooters Tech Talk?
20:22:05 JoseRodriguez ->  Still working out details for NECC...
20:22:19 JenniferWagner ->  wow -- and I thought I waited to the last moment
20:22:25 JoseRodriguez ->  Arrive on Friday...
20:22:41 alicemercer ->  Well, Jose is a seat o'the pants guy.
20:22:52 alicemercer ->  We're used to it (drives Lisa nuts, shhhh)
20:23:02 mrsdurff ->  yup
20:23:09 alicemercer ->  She forgives him
20:23:12 JenniferWagner ->  did we lose John??
20:23:15 Lorna ->  I think webcastacademy should be a requirement for hosting a new show
20:23:21 JenMad ->  Do you need to stream on ETT? Is that a requirement?
20:23:25 mrsdurff ->  verbiage? how delicate
20:23:28 Lorna ->  gives a good sense of the community
20:23:34 JoseRodriguez ->  so, wrote all the verbage?
20:23:35 JenMad ->  Can a show stream elsewhere and then post here?
20:23:45 JoseRodriguez ->  who wrote all that stuff
20:23:55 alicemercer ->  Does that include Ustream?
20:24:03 mrsdurff ->  this governing board - how long do members serve?
20:24:29 JoseRodriguez ->  Creative Commons 3.0 no strings attacehd
20:24:33 JenMad ->  So, the stream must be linked (embedded) on ETT?
20:24:34 JoseRodriguez ->  attached
20:24:41 alicemercer ->  Hmm, can't have my students on it.
20:24:42 JenniferWagner ->  soooo -- what if a show did get a kickback -- would that then not be allowed to be an ETT show??
20:24:44 alicemercer ->  HECK NO!
20:24:51 mrsdurff ->  i streamed flashmeeting
20:25:00 JenMad ->  Then "publishing" would be the podcast?
20:25:13 WHenry ->  so where can I learn more about webaccademy
20:25:25 alicemercer ->  Am I hearing, issues?
20:25:30 mrsdurff ->  commuunity participation?
20:25:40 JenMad ->  that is kind of what I was getting at ... if you stream elsewhere, then it doesn't feel like a community
20:25:46 JoseRodriguez ->  Perhaps be available for community work like this...
20:25:49 JenniferWagner ->  OH oH[
20:25:55 JenniferWagner ->  This is where I have an IDEA
20:25:59 JenniferWagner ->  should I call JOHN??
20:26:06 JL ->  yep
20:26:08 JenniferWagner ->  okay
20:26:11 mrsdurff ->  paying it forward - good term
20:26:13 alicemercer ->  Treat it kindly JW
20:26:24 JenMad ->  i.e. if stream, chat, etc. is elsewhere ... that "feels" like a bit part of what I perceive as the "community" engagement
20:26:33 JenniferWagner ->  hmmmm
20:26:34 JoseRodriguez ->  "paying it forward"   by having a show aren't we already promoting and doing our share?
20:26:37 JenMad ->  *big ... not bit
20:26:49 JenniferWagner ->  in skype
20:26:50 JenniferWagner ->  :)
20:26:52 JenniferWagner ->  I think
20:27:02 mrsdurff ->  how would the community handle it if that did not occur?
20:27:03 Lorna ->  where is that favourite book that tells us what to do
20:27:11 alicemercer ->  So will Webcast Academy be a requirement?
20:27:23 mrsdurff ->  they said no
20:27:41 JoseRodriguez ->  I agree to disagree
20:27:55 JenniferWagner ->  I hope not   :)
20:27:56 mrsdurff ->  quiet jose
20:28:25 mrsdurff ->  shunning
20:29:03 alicemercer ->  Guys, that cafe press link needs to have target="_blank" added
20:29:15 JoseRodriguez ->  I think that ETT researves the right to ban/block/kick at anytime....
20:29:20 JohnS ->  Yeah, I know Alice.
20:29:34 mrsdurff ->  so who is that Jose
20:30:12 alicemercer ->  Sorry JohnS.
20:30:16 JoseRodriguez ->  ETT governing board... JL has permanent seat
20:30:16 mrsdurff ->  hi cathy
20:30:47 mrsdurff ->  so looking forward - what happens when he retires?
20:30:58 JohnS ->  It's fixed now, but you'll have to refresh to get it.
20:31:09 JoseRodriguez ->  He's like the pope, It's a life-term deal
20:31:20 mrsdurff ->  no, required
20:31:34 alicemercer ->  yep losing audio
20:31:38 mrsdurff ->  losing Jen's audio too
20:31:42 JenMad ->  audio getting a bit choppy ...
20:31:44 WHenry ->  audio breaking up
20:31:46 JoseRodriguez ->  choppy audio eyp
20:31:52 JoseRodriguez ->  yep
20:32:09 mrsdurff ->  does ours?
20:32:25 Lorna ->  so ourschool.ca should have a link to WB?
20:32:33 JenMad ->  :)
20:33:14 mrsdurff ->  do people who want to do a show have to be a community member for a certain amount of time?
20:33:48 JenniferWagner ->  I think so Lorna
20:33:50 JenniferWagner ->  don't you??
20:34:10 JenniferWagner ->  we have a LINK back -- on our Weekly chat page --
20:34:16 JenniferWagner ->  but I think we should have it on our main page
20:34:44 JenMad ->  yep ... "record of content" to be reviewed
20:34:49 JenMad ->  makes sense
20:35:03 JenniferWagner ->  what if yo uhave 2 classes
20:35:06 mrsdurff ->  i think yes
20:35:16 alicemercer ->  What if they are counting on having someone stream for them?
20:35:22 mrsdurff ->  you should want to be a community member
20:35:35 JoseRodriguez ->  I am thinking of sucessfull podcasts that may want to promote their show... seek a wider audience and not necessarily give anything back.
20:35:58 mrsdurff ->  she is fun
20:36:09 mrsdurff ->  denise easton
20:36:09 alicemercer ->  I wanted to be a pretty voice, and not hurt my head with VAC, BUT NO!
20:36:29 mrsdurff ->  alice you are a pretty voice
20:36:31 JohnS ->  Someone on the show has to be able to stream.
20:36:31 JenMad ->  @jose ... that was tied to my point earlier ... do "podcasts" count (i.e. that aren't promoted as live shows)?
20:36:41 JenniferWagner ->  the wonderment is -- do they need to graduate??
20:36:45 JenniferWagner ->  I have been to the academy
20:36:51 JenniferWagner ->  but not ever finished -- twice
20:36:51 alicemercer ->  NAW
20:37:04 mrsdurff ->  what about a facilitator
20:37:11 Bud ->  Seems like the goal of webcast academy is an accountability piece for the producer - you want to ensure that the webcaster can walk the walk
20:37:30 JoseRodriguez ->  Webcast Acadmey deal is hogwash... How many current ETT shows have gone through the acacdemy?
20:37:37 alicemercer ->  Well, and many of us (me) have been resting on the streaming of others
20:37:38 Bud ->  But a host shouldn't necessarily need to go through that.  NOr should a webcaster spend a ton of time going through some hoops.
20:37:42 mrsdurff ->  but vague language could come back to bite
20:38:08 alicemercer ->  BUD, if you are a radio host most of the time, you have to be able to run the board, don't you?
20:38:09 Bud ->  Seems like a "three show" person could find a volunteer to do the streaming
20:38:15 Bud ->  then they've got sponsorship through the community.
20:38:25 JenniferWagner ->  would that then not be question 7 -- how many shows do you plan on doing??
20:38:31 JenniferWagner ->  short term -- Long term??
20:38:33 Bud ->  @alice: Not necessarily.
20:38:43 alicemercer ->  Most local radio hosts can do the boards. I know Rush Limbaugh can't
20:38:52 JoseRodriguez ->  I like the orientation idea.
20:39:13 Bud ->  If there's a person who can do the streaming that wants to sponsor/host a show, then I think there's an appropriate tie to the community.
20:39:15 alicemercer ->  @Bud, that's what I told myself to convince myself to stick with WCA
20:39:54 JenniferWagner ->  we have to use that????
20:39:55 Bud ->  @alicemercer: And I think it's always good for writers to understand the publishing process - but that's also why there're editors and publishers and copy editors, etc.
20:40:15 alicemercer ->  @Bud: this is more homebrew still...
20:40:23 mrsdurff ->  community dues?
20:41:07 alicemercer ->  @Bud, I worry that a show could be too associated with the "voice" when the producer is doing all the tech work. Who "owns" that show/brand?
20:41:14 Bud ->  @alicemercer: So's blogging.  And lots of what we do.  So long as there's a tie to the community via a producer who's been vetted through the academy - why is it a problem?  If it's simply a matter of "I had to do it," then that's bad policy.
20:41:40 alicemercer ->  @Bud, it's petty, but it's my pettiness
20:41:43 Bud ->  @alice mercer - do you think there are community members who are going to exploit that process?  That won't build community?
20:41:52 alicemercer ->  @Bud: yep
20:42:00 JenMad ->  Worldbridges and I ... tee hee
20:42:22 Bud ->  If so, that means there's a problem with the Webcast Academy.  And that goes against what I've seen as a Webcast Academy outsider.
20:42:35 mrsdurff ->  would community dues be a good or bad idea?
20:42:48 JohnS ->  who would pay them, durff?
20:42:58 Bud ->  I've been offering to pay for content here for a while now.
20:43:00 mrsdurff ->  community members
20:43:01 alicemercer ->  @bud, I could see folks saying hey I wanna be an ed tech podcaster, I'll find someone to handle the stream, and bloviate
20:43:09 Bud ->  Micropayments are a reasonable consideration, I think.
20:43:35 mrsdurff ->  how will we make donations easy?
20:43:48 JohnS ->  paypal donations?
20:43:51 JenniferWagner ->  what about a CHIPIN
20:43:55 JohnS ->  This is finance stuff
20:43:56 JoseRodriguez ->  dues can be inkind not always $$$
20:43:56 Scott Shelhart ->  I would be more open to a paypal donation over a 'membership fee'
20:44:01 WHenry ->  paypal might work for dotations
20:44:01 alicemercer ->  haven't we had this discussion before?
20:44:02 mrsdurff ->  what is that Jen?
20:44:04 Bud ->  @alicemercer: But would a WorldBridges producer, one who's been through the community-vetted process, sponsor such a showperson?
20:44:05 JenniferWagner ->  I have a donate on my site
20:44:17 JenniferWagner ->  generates about $10 every 10 months  :)
20:44:29 alicemercer ->  @bud: hahaha! Look at Lisa and Jose, they recruited me.
20:44:51 alicemercer ->  @bud: really, what did I offer technically to that? NADA, bupkis
20:45:05 alicemercer ->  @bud: until i went to WCA
20:45:08 Bud ->  @alice - so we should remove YOu from the community?  I'm confused.
20:45:12 WHenry ->  could you get any grants or other free money to keep this running ?
20:45:27 JenMad ->  :)
20:45:33 alicemercer ->  @BUD: Naw, I went to WCA, so now I have value to the team
20:45:58 Bud ->  @alicemercer: Did you not before you went through the process?  I would argue that you did/do.
20:46:05 Scott Shelhart ->  Sounds like we're making a business plan on how not to be a business :)
20:46:22 mrsdurff ->  uh oh - thunder again
20:46:23 alicemercer ->  @scott: this is a collective, not a business
20:46:29 JenMad ->  @scott ... one of many such discussions ;)
20:47:04 dave ->  example JenW?
20:47:27 dave ->  well... really... maybe we should make sure we know what those are...
20:47:38 Bud ->  I'd be interested in an example, too.
20:48:01 JohnS ->  Reminder for newcomers: we're talking about this document: http://edtechtalk.com/node/1492
20:48:21 JenniferWagner ->  just please NEVER put my name on any ballot  :)  thank you
20:48:24 alicemercer ->  Well, I should have read that
20:48:25 Bud ->  edtechtalk.com is apparently blocked from this location.
20:48:36 JoseRodriguez ->  So, what is an edupunk to do?
20:48:44 mrsdurff ->  clicking on a link worked this time
20:48:45 JenniferWagner ->  you mean -- edudiva???
20:48:57 JenniferWagner ->  :)
20:49:12 mrsdurff ->  no lurking?
20:49:39 alicemercer ->  So Jose, JW should I try to buy an ETT tshirt and send it to me at NECC?
20:49:59 JenniferWagner ->  OH YES
20:49:59 JoseRodriguez ->  sounds like a plan
20:50:23 alicemercer ->  Yeah, but I won't be able to get it in time for San Antonio!
20:50:25 alicemercer ->  HELLO!
20:50:25 JenniferWagner ->  but you could print it out -- make a t-shirt transfer -- and print your own
20:50:35 Bud ->  no thongs, I hope.
20:50:43 alicemercer ->  UGH!
20:50:44 alicemercer ->  ICK
20:50:52 JohnS ->  We're waiting for better artwork for the thongs.
20:50:58 dave ->  I recenlty took a class and the instructor told me about this great website and blog called “The TechTeacher Network”. It was really cool and has a lot of great tools and tips. He may have some answers on this issue. http://www.thetechteacher.libsyn.com  Thanks Richard B.
20:51:19 Bud ->  @john - wait a long time.
20:51:26 alicemercer ->  SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM, SPAM
20:51:28 JohnS ->  :-)
20:51:34 mrsdurff ->  that is spam
20:51:36 alicemercer ->  At least it's not the Detention Slip, lol
20:52:06 Bud ->  cannot the community discuss/deliberate as issues arise?
20:52:08 mrsdurff ->  thou shalt not spam (except twitter)
20:52:33 Bud ->  all decisions within the final discretion of a majority vote of the board?
20:52:46 JoseRodriguez ->  and not contribute the the community?
20:52:56 JenniferWagner ->  does it matter how your name is spread throughout the community -- or do you just want the name spread.  There is a biblical reference I am thinking of -  anyone else know what I am thinking of??
20:53:04 Bud ->  so, then, a statement along the lines of "be a responsible member of the educational community"
20:53:10 JenniferWagner ->  not that you need a biblical reference   :)
20:53:38 alicemercer ->  We'll support you if you make an on-topic, personal comment sharing your resource, NOT SPAM!
20:53:43 alicemercer ->  I've done that
20:53:58 JenniferWagner ->  Are you ready to truly check EVERY endoresement??
20:54:30 JenniferWagner ->  did people think we were spamming on Twitter??
20:54:32 JenniferWagner ->  truly???
20:54:35 Bud ->  patterns of behavior that do not reflect the norms of the edtechtalk community will result in loss of access to community resources?
20:54:35 mrsdurff ->  many people count on twitter to tell them about shows
20:54:49 mrsdurff ->  dave IS talking about me
20:54:54 Bud ->  final decisions will be left to the discretion of the governing board?
20:54:54 JenniferWagner ->  do you send ONE newsletter???
20:55:04 Lorna ->  not excessive twits
20:55:13 mrsdurff ->  oh i do it on mine
20:55:57 Scott Shelhart ->  I use the ETT/Google calendar combination to remind me about shows.
20:56:35 mrsdurff ->  people who are not in the community count on our announcements
20:56:47 JL ->  http://edtechtalk.com/taxonomy/term/128
20:57:05 mrsdurff ->  huh?
20:57:08 JenMad ->  need to head out ... nite all!
20:57:13 Scott Shelhart ->  True.  I stumbled here on accident. 
20:57:15 mrsdurff ->  nit Jen
20:57:18 Bud ->  which one of you is the eduMan?
20:57:31 Bud ->  don't you take turns?
20:57:36 mrsdurff ->  we are glad you did Scott
20:57:55 Scott Shelhart ->  Tnx.  Not to many students /  future teachers here.
20:58:23 alicemercer ->  I self promote I think?
20:59:08 JoseRodriguez ->  Shameless self promotion is fine with me..
20:59:13 mrsdurff ->  who said alice
20:59:36 JoseRodriguez ->  As long as I am not selling computers, for example.
20:59:51 Bud ->  Again, I have trust in the power of the vetting of the community here.
21:00:02 Cathy E ->  I agree- I love knowing all about everything ya'll are doing
21:00:02 JoseRodriguez ->  as in K-12
21:00:14 Cathy E ->  that is what makes the community real
21:00:17 alicemercer ->  JR: be nice!
21:00:26 alicemercer ->  That person has many redeeming values
21:00:30 JoseRodriguez ->  sorry,  I call a cab
21:00:37 JoseRodriguez ->  I will
21:00:37 Bud ->  C'mon.
21:00:41 JenniferWagner ->  I would buy a computer from you Jose
21:00:42 mrsdurff ->  some people write books and I never hear about it
21:00:50 JoseRodriguez ->  thanks
21:00:59 mrsdurff ->  i wouldn't
21:01:12 JoseRodriguez ->  I do have a bridge for sale
21:01:22 mrsdurff ->  i did too
21:01:27 mrsdurff ->  and sold it
21:01:33 JohnS ->  To Jose, Durff?
21:01:41 mrsdurff ->  no
21:01:45 JenniferWagner ->  a World Bridge??
21:01:48 mrsdurff ->  it was auctioned
21:01:49 alicemercer ->  Does it add some value to the community and to education?
21:01:53 Scott Shelhart ->  upper or lower bridge?
21:02:06 mrsdurff ->  Golden Gate Bridge
21:02:11 JoseRodriguez ->  Probably initially you prabably want to go with a selected board instead of voted....
21:02:30 JoseRodriguez ->  probably....
21:02:43 mrsdurff ->  board members vote
21:02:43 WHenry ->  how would people be selected
21:02:53 Scott Shelhart ->  Make sure to stagger the terms so that not everyone is replaced ot once.
21:02:54 alicemercer ->  Always odd numbers, and less than 10
21:03:09 JoseRodriguez ->  Let's do it Geographically so that people on the East Coast don't dominate.
21:03:21 Bud ->  I don't host a show.  But I've been here three years or so.  How does that get valued?  Or does it?
21:03:24 alicemercer ->  can producer delegate?
21:03:34 alicemercer ->  Bud, that is a good point!
21:03:34 mrsdurff ->  what about a quorum?
21:03:47 alicemercer ->  Does Derrall have a show yet?
21:03:51 alicemercer ->  He's done a lot
21:03:57 JoseRodriguez ->  Bud you are a valuable member.
21:04:04 mrsdurff ->  i agree alice
21:04:16 Bud ->  @jose - Thanks.  I guess I'm not questioning that - just how to value non-hosts.
21:04:20 Bud ->  heh
21:04:24 Bud ->  not trying to make it about me.
21:04:28 mrsdurff ->  Bud don't ask Dave
21:04:37 Bud ->  You reading it aloud made my week.  Thanks, Dave.
21:04:47 alicemercer ->  My grandmother taught me all my favorite cuss words
21:04:57 alicemercer ->  Dave, wait until your kid starts talking
21:05:00 JoseRodriguez ->  A member is a participant as in listener....
21:05:03 mrsdurff ->  did he really?
21:05:08 JenniferWagner ->  yes he did
21:05:16 JenniferWagner ->  Saturday or Sunday -- but I think it was Saturday
21:05:20 JoseRodriguez ->  NO go ahead Dave say the famous
21:05:22 Bud ->  what are there, a thousand odd people that listenng/participate in the community?
21:05:24 Cathy E ->  how may 12 year olds listen?
21:05:24 mrsdurff ->  wow, that is the end of an era
21:05:30 JoseRodriguez ->  Famous 7
21:05:33 Bud ->  I'd also suggest that the community can be the arbiter with language.
21:05:50 Bud ->  there's a norm there, too.
21:05:58 Scott Shelhart ->  not adult shows, but shows with adults
21:05:58 mrsdurff ->  family friendly would be nice
21:06:09 Bud ->  Good point, Doug.
21:06:29 Bud ->  I'd argue that the community's done a really good job of regulating community behavior.  Why legislate something that's working?
21:06:33 Bud ->  seven words, Dave?
21:06:35 Bud ->  save it.
21:06:42 Scott Shelhart ->  disclaimer the live show, bleep the podcast.
21:06:58 mrsdurff ->  we are getting larger
21:07:14 mrsdurff ->  i agree with jeff
21:07:19 JenniferWagner ->  my family friendly list might be different than yours though
21:07:23 Lorna ->  JL supporter
21:07:26 JoseRodriguez ->  I'd say that it's ok to say that Edtechtalk is seeking an adult language...
21:07:39 mrsdurff ->  guidelines
21:07:40 Bud ->  The community's been growing for a while. 
21:07:44 JoseRodriguez ->  just add the disclaimer...
21:07:50 alicemercer ->  The college level one?
21:08:01 WHenry ->  the disclaimer would be a good idea
21:08:09 Lorna ->  disclaimer will make more of it
21:08:15 Lorna ->  disagree
21:08:16 JoseRodriguez ->  How about a standard beep, beep, beep, beep.
21:08:18 dave ->  http://www.erenkrantz.com/Humor/SevenDirtyWords.shtml
21:08:33 JenniferWagner ->  I have always wondered what those words were -- but I will still wonder
21:08:43 JoseRodriguez ->  thanks dave.
21:08:49 mrsdurff ->  next: nominate board members?
21:08:57 JenniferWagner ->  no board members --
21:09:14 dave ->  jose... you're welcome
21:09:15 Lorna ->  thanks for all the good hard work\
21:09:31 JoseRodriguez ->  People will be NECCing
21:09:32 mrsdurff ->  i suggest a tiered approach
21:09:33 alicemercer ->  GO for it
21:09:57 Bud ->  I'll be at NECC>
21:09:58 alicemercer ->  I say do it in 2 weeks, and take over It's E slot
21:10:03 JoseRodriguez ->  IT's Elementary is cool with our time slot NOT being touched :-)
21:10:07 mrsdurff ->  so June 30th?
21:10:12 Bud ->  but I can't guarantee attendance.
21:10:26 alicemercer ->  NOPE, Lisa is doing June 30th from NECC
21:10:28 JoseRodriguez ->  actually go for it.. our summer is prettty slow.
21:10:42 mrsdurff ->  July 7th?
21:10:50 alicemercer ->  Jose, can they use the 7th?
21:10:54 mrsdurff ->  both what?
21:10:57 JoseRodriguez ->  sure...
21:11:08 mrsdurff ->  July 7th same time?
21:11:16 alicemercer ->  OR did you want to do a NECC revisit? I don't. I'll be coming back from a road trip at Boise, ID
21:11:18 mrsdurff ->  great see you then
21:11:23 Lorna ->  nite all
21:11:24 ds ->  yes, 7th and 10th thanks
21:11:32 JoseRodriguez ->  no...
21:11:36 alicemercer ->  I wanna cuss in the chat!
21:11:41 JoseRodriguez ->  He's the Man
21:11:43 mrsdurff ->  crown?
21:11:48 JenniferWagner ->  I shall give Alice my Cuss Time
21:11:49 mrsdurff ->  no fair
21:11:58 alicemercer ->  It p|sses me that I can't fl*ppin' curse
21:12:11 Bud ->  Might a general statement about the norms of the community, vague, yet community referenced, cover all of these issues in a few sentences that will not require details and will be breathable as the community changes and grows and fiddles with its expectations?
21:12:13 alicemercer ->  Sorry, had to get that out
21:12:23 mrsdurff ->  ty alice
21:12:24 alicemercer ->  Bud, you are so reasonable!
21:12:24 JoseRodriguez ->  hahahahahahaha
21:12:30 JohnS ->  Thanks, Bud
21:12:51 Scott Shelhart ->  I have never been in a 'family friendly' faculty lounge.  Why should this community be different?
21:13:05 Bud ->  I don't mean to be too particular - but why make a bunch of rules when they're not needed?
21:13:21 alicemercer ->  Weird, hmm
21:13:24 Bud ->  Turns out that the word a*al is filtered out of the chat.  Interesting.)
21:13:32 mrsdurff ->  we want to  be inclusive scott
21:13:34 alicemercer ->  Oh so is d@mn
21:13:48 mrsdurff ->  we do put up with alice
21:14:12 mrsdurff ->  cool!
21:14:17 Bud ->  Don't you have one - use the logo on the shirts
21:14:27 alicemercer ->  I'm glad you do, and aren't running screaming Durff
21:14:43 mrsdurff ->  mugs?
21:15:15 JohnS ->  There are coffee mugs.
21:15:48 Bud ->  I agree with Dave, actually.
21:16:12 Bud ->  I wouldn't state what's not okay.
21:16:20 Bud ->  i'd remind folks about the community nature.
21:16:33 Bud ->  there's a very powerful community here -
21:16:43 ds ->  more about what is, rather than what's not acceptable
21:16:48 Bud ->  as soon as it's bounded by the lowest common denominator, that's as strong as it'll be
21:16:50 ds ->  re lang/bahave
21:16:57 alicemercer ->  FCC guidelines
21:17:04 alicemercer ->  and that is specific
21:17:06 Bud ->  high expectations without low basic guidelines
21:17:09 alicemercer ->  He's right
21:17:16 Scott Shelhart ->  I tell my kids not to do anything online that they wouldn't do at the shopping mall.  I think that applies here also.
21:17:20 Bud ->  Australia's dealing with this right now.
21:17:20 ds ->  there are so many jurisdictions that we 'cast to
21:17:25 mrsdurff ->  family friendly
21:17:29 alicemercer ->  Since I'm the other potty mouth, BUT I also deal with US/FCC stuff
21:17:33 alicemercer ->  and elementary
21:17:45 ds ->  we're not against bad stuff, we're for good stuff :)
21:18:19 alicemercer ->  How about, "Keep in mind that this is education community and shows are aimed at a K-12 audience"
21:18:26 mrsdurff ->  suggesting guidelines
21:18:39 alicemercer ->  I just keep my cussin g in text, which is probably worse
21:18:47 Bud ->  The EdTechTalk community values the rights and responsibilities of its community members. We have high expectations for our community memebers ability to live within communitynorms.  Members who choose to wantonly violate those norms without regard for the community will . . .
21:18:48 mrsdurff ->  i like that alice
21:18:52 Scott Shelhart ->  @alice - that works for me
21:19:13 alicemercer ->  Dave: CLEAN IT UP!
21:19:16 mrsdurff ->  i'm not too polite about it dave
21:19:19 Bud ->  We have the right to free speech and the responsibility to be specific and particular inour choice of words.
21:19:19 alicemercer ->  please
21:19:44 alicemercer ->  Can I suggest we look at the wording...
21:19:54 Bud ->  (forgive my ignorance regarding the document - I can't access it.)
21:20:11 mrsdurff ->  now we know how to 'pull his chain'!
21:20:17 alicemercer ->  and discuss on July 7?
21:20:18 alicemercer ->  http://edtechtalk.com/node/1492
21:20:29 mrsdurff ->  that is a guideline
21:20:44 mrsdurff ->  still a guideline
21:20:54 Bud ->  I'm with Dave.  It's weird.  But I agree.  And I don't think the language should be specific to one behavior or another.
21:20:58 mrsdurff ->  he does have apoint
21:21:17 mrsdurff ->  there is a difference between a guideline and a law
21:21:32 alicemercer ->  If you have LIsa on your side on this...
21:21:51 mrsdurff ->  i hear edtechtalk setting guidelines
21:22:01 mrsdurff ->  no boobs
21:22:08 dave ->  and i'm trying to figure out what this is
21:22:13 Scott Shelhart ->  gota run.  have a nice night.
21:22:16 dave ->  if it's a guideline
21:22:20 Bud ->  I won't swear here - but I think the obligation of the community is to recognize that there are differences in language and custom and that we should be opento those differences.
21:22:24 mrsdurff ->  it sounds like guidelines
21:22:39 alicemercer ->  I sure as heck do, lol
21:22:42 Bud ->  The disclaimershouldn't be about  specific behaviors - it should be about recognizing cultural and societal differences.
21:23:06 mrsdurff ->  but to be inclusive of newcomers we should set guidelines that we are family friendly
21:23:23 Bud ->  This was my school's newspaper disclaimer.
21:23:33 mrsdurff ->  we are asking aren't we?
21:24:26 Bud ->  http://oldeschoolnews.com - scroll to the bottom of the page.
21:24:27 mrsdurff ->  no, it is about respect
21:24:38 mrsdurff ->  it is not about free speech
21:24:48 Bud ->  durff - is it always respectful to honor the newcomer over the needs/wants of the community?
21:25:11 Bud ->  This community works very well - don't over legislate it.
21:25:16 Bud ->  thanks to all
21:25:23 dave ->  by dudes!
21:25:33 Bud ->  take care, y'all.
21:25:38 Cathy E ->  it takes all sorts of personalities to make a community


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