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EdTechTalk#20 Chat Transcript
October 16, 2005

[daf] hi everybody!
[daf] yes, nice sound
[dave] hey daf
[dave] how goes it
[daf] :-)
[daf] fine, tons of work but surviving
[daf] wb, Will
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[dave] hi buth!
[daf] hi Buth
[buthaina] Hi Dave, :-)
[buthaina] Hi Daf..
[buthaina] Hay, Jeff..how are you..
[buthaina] I use Hay as Ola..is this good Dave,
Daf..I noticed it was used like that in a movie
[daf] Hay?
[buthaina] Yes
[daf] Ola is wave
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[buthaina] The movie: Spanglish, Daf
[daf] in Spanish, hello in portuguese
[daf] never heard of it
[daf] but you know the Spanishes of the world ;-)
[buthaina] Ola/Hola
[daf] yes
[buthaina] Yep, that was Spanglish , Daf
[daf] Hay = heno in spanish
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[buthaina] have you heard of it
[daf] hi Dennis
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[sroseman] -9
[daf] no, Buth, maybe Dennis who is exposed to other spanishes
[Dennis] Hi, Daf. I had to change my screen display before I could see the typing window.
[buthaina] thanks, Daf..Never mind will ask Dennis later
[sroseman] wonders if there will be talk about Apple's new announcements
[daf] we are waiting for the talk to start :-)
[Dennis] Which announcements, SR?
[daf] I am a PC user
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[daf] hello Stephen, welcome!
[Dennis] Stephen Downes here!!! Incredible!!!
[elderbob] Hello all, and welcome Stephen.
[buthaina] or the announcement about iTune
[Stephen_Downes] Hiya Folx
[Dennis] Yes, I thought it might be about iTunes or about the ROKR cell phone.
[buthaina] Hi Stephen and welcome, :-)
[Dennis] Ditto!
[willrich] Hey everyone!
[daf] I have taken a screenshot :-)
[Dennis] Terrific, Daf!
[daf] hi Will
[buthaina] Me too..Daf..great minds think alike..heheh
[daf] lol, buth
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[Dennis] And Will Richardson here, too!!! Equally incredible!!!
[daf] yes, 2 gurus :-)
[sroseman] I am googling both names
[sroseman] Stephen ..born in Montreal
[sroseman] me too
[buthaina] 2 great thinkers and teachers, happy to be hear to learn from them and others of course, :-0
[Dennis] I feel exactly the same, Buth.
[daf] it is so exciting to be listening to them LIVE
[Dennis] (another ditto from me!)
[sroseman] http://www.downes.ca/me/index.htm
[buthaina] clap, clap, clap..
[Rita] (this is fantastic!)
[daf] :D
[Dennis] I agree, Rita.
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[daf] you are a philosopher, Stephen
[Stephen_Downes] My web page is http://www.downes.ca
[daf] lol
[daf] I heard of Stephen back in 2002 at the Networking 2002 conference (Australia)
[Rita] me too, Daf
[daf] yes, we were there together, Rit
[sroseman] what area of Montreal*-+
[buthaina] I learned about Stephen from the Webheads in Action community in 2002
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[buthaina] provbably it was you who reported it to us, Daf..:-)
[Dennis] And I learned about Stephen and Will this year. Before this year, I only knew about ESL figures:
[Rita] "being online changes everything"...., how very true!
[daf] didn't you attend that conference, Buth. We presented with Michael C.
[daf] right, Rit
[daf] joining webheads is a door to the world, Dennis
[Dennis] Charles Kelly, Ruth Vilmi, Randall Davis, Dave Sperling, Elaine Hoter
[willrich] My weblog is at http://www.weblogg-ed.com
[buthaina] Not sure, Daf..I attended the one in Hawii, was it that one?
[Dennis] It certainly is, Daf.
[daf] no, much before that one
[sroseman] Worldbridges is opening up a new frontier for me in terms of tech innovation
[Rita] once you open that door you are out into the whole world
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[Dennis] Ditto, SR--Worldbridges and the Webheads are doing that.
[daf] I have learned about podcasting thanks to JeffL
[buthaina] And I learned about Will from Worldbridges; maybe eBob too earlier..
[Dennis] I have your weblogg in my feed list, WR.
[daf] didn't will give a talk about RSS at LT?
[Dennis] I remember when the Web was mostly read.
[Dennis] And this is an incredible learning opportunity for us as well!
[sroseman] oops..another blip
[sroseman] I did use the web when it was text based
[daf] yes, he did: Recording: "RSS: The New Killer App for Educators" with WillRichardson
[daf] you can find it at the Webheads room in LT
[daf] http://home.learningtimes.net/learningtimes?go=273662
[Dennis] Hear, hear, SD!
[sroseman] Thanks Daf
[daf] :-)
[Rita] thanks, Daf
[daf] it is really good if you want to learn how to RSS
[Dennis] "It changes everything because it eliminates those barriers." Hear, hear.
[daf] a borderless world
[Dennis] Definitely!
[elderbob] Wikibooks.
[Dennis] Traditionally, though, textbook publishers are the last to adopt something new.
[Dennis] I was a textbook editor.
[dave] no offense dennis
[Dennis] I remember when few publishers used desktop publishing. Now, of course, that's common.
[Dennis] No offense taken--none at all.
[daf] publishers only think of the money they will get out of something
[daf] in general
[Dennis] Yes--and they also have a great deal invested in hard-copy machinery.
[daf] they "control" education in schools
[sroseman] I have an art text with web references throughout..a grabber for me purchasing the text
[Dennis] Yes, definitely, Daf.
[Dennis] I wonder how soon we'll "get there."
[daf] Viva Moodle!!!
[elderbob] sroseman, there are several companies in computer training that have sheeeese interactive books and websites working in
[elderbob] conjunction with each other.
[sroseman] of course, elderbob
[Dennis] The whole idea of holistic learning will be a challenge.
[Rita] and thare are already books including sites for consultation, at least...
[daf] my case
[Dennis] The educational establishment resists change and is also heavily invested in a "controlled learning" model.
[daf] right, Dennis
[Rita] true
[Dennis] It's too bad, isn't it?
[elderbob] EVonline is an informal classroom?
[Rita] people are not ready yet
[daf] I am a weirdo in my university
[Dennis] Definitely, EB.
[daf] I think it is, Bob
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[Dennis] Yes, I imagine you are, Daf, but that doesn't matter, because you're also a visionary.
[sroseman] what happens to all those traditional architectural school spaces?
[daf] I really don't mind, I feel happy not to follow the crowd
[Dennis] Why does that not surprise me, Daf?
[buthaina] Yaodong says hi to all of you and tells you that he is sad since his "new home is not connected to the net"and cannot join us u
[Dennis] :D
[daf] say hi to him, Buth
[Dennis] the smilie was for Daf, not Yaodong!
[daf] lol
[Dennis] <<chuckle, chuckle, chuckle>>
[buthaina] done already Daf..Was clear to me Dennis, haven't confused things..:-)
[Dennis] Good, Buth!
[buthaina] :-)
[Rita] ;-)
[Dennis] :o)
[Dennis] The fact that people want to "see it" is encouraging.
[sroseman] *
[Dennis] It's folly to think that everything will change overnight, so the fact that people want to know
[Dennis] what Web 2.0 can do is very encouraging indeed.
[buthaina] It's break fasting time here..My children are calling me to have Iftar now..Will have this window open and volume higher to hear
[Rita] yes, Dennis, but some still dont want to know...
[Dennis] Here are some virtual dates, Buth.
[Dennis] Oh, I agree, Rita.
[buthaina] thank god we have the talk recorded too; thanks to worldbridges..:-)
[daf] I love dates
[Dennis] Definitely, Buth!
[buthaina] thanks, Dennis
[Dennis] In many places, they're a traditional way to break the fast. Am I correct about that, Buth?
[Dennis] Afwan, Buth.
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[Dennis] Hi, LLD.
[LangLabDirectrix] hello
[daf] wb, LLD
[elderbob] But didnt we have similar issues years ago, when Sony wanted to release tape recorders.
[Dennis] And both publishing and education are power-based.
[LangLabDirectrix] sorry, closed a window, and lost connection
[Dennis] I think we always have similar issues when the paradigm shifts, EB.
[daf] definitely, Dennis
[Dennis] Do you remember, for example, when calculators first became available?
[daf] students are amazed when we want them to be autonomous
[Dennis] :o) Daf
[Dennis] Definitely!
[Rita] yes, and so many other things this generation ahs been lucky to appreciate !
[Dennis] Hear, hear, Rita!
[Dennis] An appreciation for diversity has been a wonderful paradigm shift since I was a child.
[LangLabDirectrix] my son is trying to do an opinion piece for school on whether technology should be a requirement for graduation. He is 13 and
[Dennis] That's not to say that North American culture has no xenophobia, of course.
[LangLabDirectrix] has never known the world w/o it
[Rita] you are fortunate to have the gift for that, Dennis, not everybody has it!
[Dennis] Interesting question, LLD.
[daf] I had a discussion with my graduate students about that, LLD
[LangLabDirectrix] and what did they think?
[daf] my architecture students think that what they are doing in my classes should be done in al their other courses
[Dennis] It was obviously designed by someone who's much older--and has experienced the times when technology was NOT a heavy part
[Dennis] of school work.
[Dennis] I'm sure they do, "Daf.
[Dennis] Rita: My family is a mixed one and I've always felt more comfortable in diverse groups.
[daf] both grad and undergrad students think they should learn about tech as part of their curriculum
[LangLabDirectrix] If you require it will they learn it any better? Use it?
[elderbob] Flat earthed.
[Dennis] Flat-earthed indeed!
[Dennis] I wonder, LLD. Sometimes I think they learn it better informally and on their own!
[daf] venezuela has always been a melting pot
[daf] I agree, Dennis
[Rita] being in the middle of the continent, yes, Daf
[Dennis] The U.S. is often described as a melting pot, but it may be more of a salad than a melting pot!
[LangLabDirectrix] yes but then shouldn't we try to tap into that and help them express themselves through that medium?
[LangLabDirectrix] Or is that too teacher centered
[daf] that's what we are trying to do, LLD
[Dennis] Yes, LLD, I think we should, but they have less fear of it and are more willing to discover their own ways of managing it.
[Rita] first teachers should be convinced and knowledgble
[Dennis] We who have learned to use technology learned it in a different way.
[daf] we give the means, LLD
[LangLabDirectrix] (can you tell I entered late?) :? :?
[Dennis] Right, Daf--but not in a step-by-step way.
[daf] and allow students to go on their own
[Dennis] Definitely!
[daf] lol, Jeff
[daf] I feel a citizen of the world
[elderbob] Im not giving up my Texas citizenship.
[elderbob] No more countries, just networks.
[Dennis] A Texican forever!
[daf] lol
[LangLabDirectrix] Elder Bob: that is a great slogan!
[sroseman] How will web 2.0 impact the K to 6 curriculum/classroom
[Dennis] http://www.rubyonrails.org/
[daf] thanks, Dennis
[Dennis] Hear, hear, EB ("No more countries . . . .")
[Dennis] :o)
[LangLabDirectrix] Well, given that my 10 year old's first complete sentence was "double click mommy, noit single click" I think Web 2.0 NEEDS to b
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[daf] welcome Sus
[Dennis] Hugs to Sus!
[LangLabDirectrix] needs to be here for these kids
[daf] :hugs Sus
[Rita] welcome, Sus!
[Sus_Nyrop_] hello dear webheads, I am listening to the conversation
[Sus_Nyrop_] whould I like to live in Webheadsland; intriguing question
[elderbob] Stephen, what is the Web 2.0 language or are we there yet?
[Rita] we do, Sus, when we are together....
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[Dennis] "I'd like to live in Webheadsland"
[Sus_Nyrop_] I would also like to know more about the so called web 2.0
[Dennis] "in perfect harmony"
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[daf] that would be a good topic for a film
[Rita] we are blesed people
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[daf] wb LLD
[Dennis] "Where all's networked and inter-knit"
[Dennis] "in one community"
[dave] http://www.cetis.ac.uk/members/scott/blogview?entry=20050125170206
[LangLabDirectrix] no countries just networks...I am printing the bumper stickers tomorrow
[Sus_Nyrop_] why not have community by choice
[Rita] reminds me of John Lennon's words..
[Dennis] (Do you remember the Coca Cola commercial with "I'd like to teach the world to live . . ." as the theme song?)
[daf] webheads utopia
[LangLabDirectrix] I could send the mp3 of that.... beware
[elderbob] Im of a John Lennon thought process
[Sus_Nyrop_] Oops
[Dennis] Use that tune for "I'd like to live in Webheadsland"
[daf] you can record it for the WiAOC
[Sus_Nyrop_] I would like to jump in and out from differnt "countries" or contexts
[Dennis] Not with my voice, Daf!
[Rita] we should tell Michael C
[Dennis] Hear, hear, Sus!
[elderbob] More wiki like.
[daf] right, Rita
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[daf] hi Jo
[Dennis] Hi, Jo.
[Rita] hi, Jo
[jo] Hi, all
[daf] our web presence
[Sus_Nyrop_] My local family life could not easily be incorporated in the webheadsland
[elderbob] Very much web presence.
[sroseman] I guess I am using web 2.0..not ware of it RSS flikr..delicious..
[Dennis] "Your locus . . . your personal VLE": what a wonderful concept. I wonder when it will become commonplace?
[Sus_Nyrop_] love that call voice!!
[elderbob] Power failure=political coup.
[daf] I remember when Jeff phone me when I was in Spain having lunch by the swimming pool
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[daf] HI Ric
[Sus_Nyrop_] yes, that was a hilarious lunch!
[Dennis] http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/tim/news/2005/09/30/what-is-web-...
[Rickpr38] Hi! I am still working on getting sound....
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[daf] click on one of the icons below the chat window
[Sus_Nyrop_] Rick, hello
[daf] I am using WMP
[daf] yes, I love audacity, too
[Rickpr38] I get beeps and a welcome message....
[Rita] click on the icon in the middle
[Dennis] Audacity: a fantastic tool--and a free one!
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[daf] I am using Audacity, and iTunes
[daf] iTunes to RSS podcasts
[Dennis] http://www.digital-web.com/articles/web_2_for_designers/
[Sus_Nyrop_] blogging rules
[Dennis] http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,69114,00.html
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[daf] wb, Rick
[Sus_Nyrop_] social tools will change community collaboration in and outside the classroom
[Rickpr38] Hi again! I got the sound to work. It is on another browser....
[daf] tablet PC?
[Dennis] http://news.com.com/2061-11199_3-5892829.html
[Sus_Nyrop_] bravo Rick!!!
[Sus_Nyrop_] you passed teh webheads test, we never give up
[Rickpr38] Thanks, sus! I couldn't have done it without eveeryone's help. {:-{>}
[elderbob] Is this similar in concept to the $100. PC on Andy Carvins list?
[Rickpr38] Sus, My skype name is rickpr38. I couldn't find or call you....
[Sus_Nyrop_] :hands Rick todays' Wild Webheads pin"
[Rickpr38] : puts it on with pride and a smile
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[Dennis] leads the applause: Hip, hip . . .
[daf] that's great!
[Rickpr38] This is new for me. Who uses this forum? Is it open to all educators?
[Rita] incredible this tablet they are describing....
[daf] my architecture students would love it!
[Dennis] http://www.pencomputing.com/TabletPC/
[buthaina] Í'm back
[Dennis] http://www.tabletpc2.com/
[daf] wb, buth
[sroseman] reminds me of the Apple eMate project..which I was involved in sometime ago
[Rickpr38] How can we see who is talking?
[buthaina] thanks, daf
[Dennis] http://www.tabletpchome.com/
[daf] you don't see, just listen, rick
[buthaina] You cannot see, Rick..
[jo] Dennis, your going great with all the sites. Thank you
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[Rickpr38] I see. I mean, I don't.... [:-{>}
[daf] Dennis is a treasure
[Rita] wb Sus
[Rita] he is, Daf!
[elderbob] http://laptop.media.mit.edu/
[Rickpr38] Are tablets more expensive than regular laptops?
[LangLabDirectrix] yes they are...and they are heavy
[LangLabDirectrix] we use them for teaching stroke order in japanese and chinese
[elderbob] The MIT $100. laptop has a tablet self contained.
[LangLabDirectrix] we use Gateways
[Rickpr38] 100? 1,000?
[elderbob] 100
[Rickpr38] Wow!
[elderbob] Dont get too excited, its still experimental.
[LangLabDirectrix] and not available...yet
[Sus_Nyrop_] I am being haunted, my real player started to play something else (a samba I think)
[sroseman] used this one in a pilot project http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/messagepad/stats/emate_300.html
[Rickpr38] I would love to be able to get 100 laptops into schools with few resources...
[elderbob] Correct.
[dave] we talked to someone who's using 20dollar thin clients in a computer lab
[dave] Kathy in New Hampshire
[LangLabDirectrix] what is Kathy's email?
[elderbob] Now you got me....Ive not heard of a 20 thin client, is that like a palm or phone device.
[Sus_Nyrop_] the thin client for school use is cool; you can recycle old machines; only teh server need to be a really strong working horse
[elderbob] Ill have to look that up, I dont think I have heard of it before.
[Rickpr38] recycling old machines? Tell me more!
[sroseman] training and professional development is essential with new tech..modeling is the key factor
[Sus_Nyrop_] no - you use any PC, but let them be connected to the server, I think programs are stored centrally
[Rickpr38] Can anyone speak?
[sroseman] speechless
[daf] ys, Rick just contact them in skype
[Rickpr38] {:-{>}
[Rickpr38] I am doing my first skype on my own account today....
[Sus_Nyrop_] I know a school that made this thin client project and they used all their old outdated pcs with succes
[daf] the EVO sessions do a great job for TPD
[daf] and for free
[Dennis] Here's some pricing info on tablet PCs:
[buthaina] interesting, Sus..
[Dennis] http://shopper-search.cnet.com/search?q=tablet+PC&tag=top
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[daf] the skype name is Worldbridges, Rick
[elderbob] So you havent met invivo, but you have virtually met.
[buthaina] thanks, Dennis
[Dennis] Afwan!
[buthaina] :-)
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[Dennis] This is also interesting on tablet PCs:
[daf] sus seems to be having problems
[Dennis] http://www.tabletpchome.com/
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[elderbob] Do you think there are common areas in the long tail of their tag clouds.
[Dennis] <<chuckles>>
[elderbob] Dennis, it is always nice to have you around....
[sroseman] a PC or tablet on every two students desks..my dream..classrooms with students sitting in pods working collabiratively
[daf] That is a great idea, Dave
[Dennis] SR: And this works very well--even though students often think there needs to be one PC per student.
[daf] Teachers are action researchers
[Dennis] Or they SHOULD be!
[Dennis] Can be?
[daf] we always look for ways to solve problems, and then look at the results
[daf] the only cycle most teachers miss is the publishing
[Dennis] And many teachers generate reams of customized classroom materials--so they are still publishing, but on a local level.
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[Rita] need to leave, folks, it's been a great pleasure!
[daf] yes, or sometimes they do not even share it with colleaagues
[elderbob] Bye Rita.
[Dennis] It's been good to share time together, Rita.
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[Dennis] Take care, OK?
[jo] Bye Rita
[daf] bye, Rita, see you on Wed
[buthaina] Bye, Rita
[Rita] as usual, Dennis, when we are together, thank you!
[Dennis] <<blushing>>
[daf] un abrazo
[Rita] yep, Daf ;-)
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[Dennis] Y otro abrazo!
[Rita] uno para cada uno!
[daf] gracias!
[Rita] :D
[Dennis] ÁMil gracias!
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[buthaina] What is hapenning on Wed, Daf? Am I missing anything?
[Sus_Nyrop] rick, I just added you as my skype friend
[Dennis] "Making priorities . . . is an important skill." Yes, but not an easy one to develop!
[Sus_Nyrop] Andy has a TESOL something session on Wednesday
[Dennis] Where, Sus?
[Sus_Nyrop] in Alado
[Dennis] Is it an open session?
[Sus_Nyrop] you can get a pass if you send email to andy
[Sus_Nyrop] webheads don't pay!!
[Dennis] Thanks, Sus. Do you know what the schedule is?
[Sus_Nyrop] "no child left behind"
[Dennis] Terrific!
[Sus_Nyrop] :listens to Rick!
[daf] Tuesday at 19:00 GMT or 15:00 Eastern Standard Time.
[Dennis] Thanks, Daf.
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[daf] nice to hear Rick
[buthaina] Sus, I think Andy's TESOL seminar is on Tuesday , Oct 18 not Wed.
[daf] hi Chris
[Dennis] Hi, Chris.
[sroseman] like de.lirio.us for catching relevant tidbits of info http://de.lirio.us/rubric
[Dennis] Definitely, SR!
[daf] that would be great!!
[Sus_Nyrop] I may be wrong Buth
[jo] Wow, that would be great. Real learning
[daf] yes, it is on Tuesday, Sus
[sroseman] tell him to quit Real Player
[Sus_Nyrop] once we do get the shared wb, we will feel more at home here
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[daf] hi app
[Dennis] Hi, App.
[Sus_Nyrop] we need to develop podcasting literacy!
[buthaina] If you were at Tapped In today, just wait for the Chatlog where you can find all the info by Andy, Rick, Sus and all
[Dennis] Hear, hear, Sus.
[buthaina] My Remedial English classes are 110 minutes, and students like to stay more, Daf especially if we are at the c-lab.
[buthaina] It's good here , Rick
[Rickpr38] I had no sound for about a moment (my hearing perhaps?)
[Sus_Nyrop] it is such fun when kids get sop immersed that they wist to stay in the computer lab
[sroseman] I am from Onterio ..just noticed this http://curriculum.enoreo.on.ca/ontario_blogs/why_blog.html
[daf] yes, Buth, that is the problem they want to keep working on the computer
[Sus_Nyrop] sometimes you will have a time lag Rick
[daf] and some of my students attend classes from home
[Rickpr38] sus, I think that must be it. In the archives on Worldbridges is the sound feed also saved?
[buthaina] Yeah, like my hair now, full of Gel and Spiky..heheh
[daf] this is my class podcasting blog: http://courses.worldbridges.com/dyg_usb/
[daf] my students will start podcasting next week
[buthaina] If I did that, Daf, have students join the class from home, I could have got fired..
[Rickpr38] daf, how quickly did your students take to podcasting?
[daf] so far they are listening to podcastings made by webheads
[buthaina] It doesn't matter now..I resigned..
[daf] I am step by step, Rick
[Rickpr38] I am new to it myself....
[daf] first they are listening to others' podcasts (recorded especially for them)
[daf] and they have activiites to complete,
[buthaina] Happy, Vance is able to skype the globe now..Bravo UAE
[Rickpr38] daf, what is the time limit of the podcasts
[daf] and next step is for them to do the podcasts
[daf] what do you mean, time limit?
[Rickpr38] yes.
[daf] around 5-7 minutes, I think
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[JeffLebow] Dave, just wanted to let you know I can't read your skype chat. My skype window is really scary looking
[dave] Jeff: mine is fine
[Sus_Nyrop] I lost you, am back
[JeffLebow] how many people do you see in the conference?
[dave] 6
[daf] I am having problems with spam on my students blogs in blogger :-(
[JeffLebow] Wow!
[Sus_Nyrop] spell it here pls
[Stephen_Downes] manila
[Stephen_Downes] rss2javascript
[jo] daf, have you got them to turn on word verification?
[Sus_Nyrop] who is now talking?
[Sus_Nyrop] thank you
[daf] yes, they have done that
[Rickpr38] There is a size limite for the casts, no? sounds like vance?
[JeffLebow] skype conferences are limited to 5 participants....somehow we've overcome that
[Sus_Nyrop] Is that Will Richardson speaking?
[Rickpr38] I am getting some feedback from Vance. Anyone else. sounds metallic
[Stephen_Downes] yes
[Rickpr38] (if it was Vance)
[sroseman] our school district disallowed the use of blogs due to some bullying practices
[sroseman] among students
[daf] since my students topic is architecture or urban planning they are getting messages with adds about arch. stuff
[Sus_Nyrop] instead of teaching blog culture and avoid bullying
[sroseman] replaced by Ontario Blogs http://curriculum.enoreo.on.ca/ontario_blogs/about_blogs.html
[buthaina] Yes, Rick, me..I'm getting metalic when waslistening to Vance,minor though
[daf] Vance always have that problem in LT and Alado
[Sus_Nyrop] yes, some blog comment spam seem to be generated by some sort of tag tracking
[daf] LiveJournal is free of spam, so far
[buthaina] oh, Why don't suggest the use of BlogMeister to your school, Sroseman
[sroseman] we are using blogmeister
[sroseman] http://classblogmeister.com/blog.php?blogger_id=6860
[buthaina] Blogmeister. by David Warlick are very secured and no one can post a comment without a password provided by a class teacher
[daf] but that is too restricted, Buth
[daf] the idea of a blog is to be read
[buthaina] does David knows about this; if you join his YG you can report this to him
[Sus_Nyrop] smartasses from obscure corporate bizniz have grabbed the RSS for their spread of links to ad sites they hope people will click
[daf] and get comments from others, not only your classmates. For that you don't need a blog
[buthaina] Daf , I used it in Fall 2004, ad it worked very good
[daf] yes, but for that kind of activity we don't need to use a blog
[daf] you can use a forum
[sroseman] Blogger and xanga seem to be blocked by our school district
[buthaina] I agree, Stephen, so far it''s the best for me and my students..easy and simple
[sroseman] we have to go with Blogmeister
[Sus_Nyrop] elgg is an interesting option, but still in the making - I like the FOAF feature
[buthaina] Where are you located, sorseman
[Sus_Nyrop] that's Sue Roseman
[sroseman] Ontario, Canada
[sroseman] yep..that's me
[daf] yes, I love buzznet
[buthaina] I'm sorry to hear that, soresman
[buthaina] Yes, I agree, Vance..Buzznet is so cool, easy and simple and we can do lots of things with it
[Sus_Nyrop] Strongly agree on this point
[daf] I have been having problems connecting to buzznet in the last few days
[Sus_Nyrop] that we do need to support developing communicative internet skills
[daf] it says that there is too much traffic
[sroseman] a controlled envirnment with blogmeister here in Ontario http://curriculum.enoreo.on.ca/ontario_blogs/about_blogs.html
[buthaina] Maybe they're maintaining their site, Daf..
[sroseman] environment
[buthaina] sroseman, maybe you could have the management in your school listen to today's talk in order to convinc them to unblock Blogger.
[jo] I'm really enjoying this but I've got to go. Have a good week all. Goodnight
[sroseman] possibly..but the guidelines have been set
[Sus_Nyrop] :/
[Sus_Nyrop] goodnight Jo
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[buthaina] I agree, sroseman about blogmesiter, but it's good for kids in order to provide a secure environment
[Sus_Nyrop] you should also consider the democratic potential that the internet may have for students
[buthaina] FYI, blogmeister has started Podcasting too
[sroseman] I agree
[Sus_Nyrop] which factor please?
[Sus_Nyrop] I did not understand the term
[buthaina] which term, Sus?
[Sus_Nyrop] the something factor
[buthaina] Sorry, I think I've missed that
[buthaina] Thanks, Vance and Sus
[Rickpr38] something?
[Sus_Nyrop] elgg is structured a bit differently
[daf] I finally got to my students buzznet on rhythm http://dyg-brainmaps.buzznet.com/user/
[Sus_Nyrop] but I still find I need to use it for a while to become familiar with the ideas
[Sus_Nyrop] I got an elgg blog and found many likeminded friends to link to
[daf] I have an elgg account but have not started a blog yet ;-)
[Sus_Nyrop] so I can read my FOAF stream
[Sus_Nyrop] http://elgg.net/netopnyrop
[daf] I am exploring a new wiki with my grad students: http://ambientescolaborativos.pbwiki.com
[buthaina] Yeah, it's the Wiki announced by Jay Cross, Daf..I like it
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[Sus_Nyrop] it is a formalized learning paradigm, BB & WEbCT are promoting the more traditional trivial classrom lecture standards
[Sus_Nyrop] I like wikispaces.org
[willrich] Power is on!
[daf] Sus I have just written the first entry to the Elgg blog: http://elgg.net/daf/weblog/
[buthaina] Hi, Will, and welcome to the chat room
[Rickpr38] Who is actually on, has access to, Internet 2?
[daf] Hi Will, wb
[daf] I had forgotten I had that account
[buthaina] No sound here
[daf] I have sound
[buthaina] Anyone is talking now?!!
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[daf] wb sus
[buthaina] Dave..Help..No sound is here
[daf] Sus, sent you the link to my elgg blog: http://elgg.net/daf/weblog/
[dave] checking now...
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[buthaina] Thanks
[JeffLebow] Still no sound for anyonE?
[Sus_Nyrop] You can find my comment daf and click on that
[daf] I have sound
[Sus_Nyrop] I hear well
[dave] k. is there sound...
[buthaina] Yes, Jeff, no sound here
[Rickpr38] Jeff, click onthe links below.
[dave] mmm
[Rickpr38] :one of them anyway
[buthaina] Ok, Now..
[Sus_Nyrop] We plan to promote elgg at our online conference for Nordic language educators in November followed by a webheads effect
[Sus_Nyrop] Anne fox is using elgg a lot
[buthaina] Anyone's talking now..Heard Sus saying : are y hearing me? and that was the last thinh i heard..
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[buthaina] I closed the webcast and opening it again now
[buthaina] ok, it works now
[daf] This has been awesome!!
[daf] Thanks Will and Stephen for a great talk!!
[buthaina] gone, now..is it me or you Jeff? I lost the sound again
[Sus_Nyrop] Sus saying something - was I???
[buthaina] Ok, the sound is back now
[Sus_Nyrop] I really have coem to feel Sunday is my best day of the weel!
[Sus_Nyrop] week
[buthaina] not again..it's gone
[Rickpr38] Thanks for sharing and for providing such an engaging intro to this platform.
[buthaina] ok, hear you now
[daf] I will be listening again to the podcast, for sure. and I will have my graduate students listen to it
[Sus_Nyrop] Dave & Jeff, I will get back to you two for getting some more ideas for our Nordic Voice conference podcast
[dave] great
[Rickpr38] How can we find this podcast?
[Sus_Nyrop] yes, lots and lots of inspiration! Thank you again, Will & Steve
[daf] at the home page, Rick
[daf] http://worldbridges.com/
[Rickpr38] Thanks daf
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[Rickpr38] Hi bob
[buthaina] Sus, I tired to join your Nrdic Moodle, but was stuck with some words I couldn't understand in Nordic Language..:-) But will try
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[buthaina] again
[Sus_Nyrop] Buth - choose English language from the login Moodle
[daf] claps, claps, claps
[buthaina] Rick, you can always come back to worldbridges to find recent and old Webcasts..They are all archived
[daf] claps, claps
[Rickpr38] buth, can you save the webcasts too?
[daf] thanks Jeff, Dave, Will and Stephen
[buthaina] I couldn't find that feature, sus
[Rickpr38] Thanks everyone!
[Sus_Nyrop] default language on this moodle servef is Danish <sigh>
[daf] you can use the RSS feed, Rick
[elderbob] I have no sound, it appears that this was the end.
[buthaina] thanks Sue..We will
[daf] and save them to your iTunes
[Sus_Nyrop] I will try to write a help note for that problem
[Rickpr38] Thanks, daf. I need to start to use RSS. I have just been reading about them so far....
[Sus_Nyrop] buy bye all of you dear Webheads and guests
[elderbob] Bye all.
[elderbob] later.
[sroseman] waves bye
[daf] this has been a great sunday morning!
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[Sus_Nyrop] Rick you will need the Becoming a Wehweads 101
[daf] lol,sus
[Sus_Nyrop] course in January - february
[buthaina] Thank you Jeff and Dave for such great Webcast..and to your Awesome Guests, Stephen and Will..
[daf] he has to join the BaW'06 session
[Sus_Nyrop] yes, great indeed, in webheradsland
[Rickpr38] Thanks, sus. It is amazing how fast one becomes rusty. I can barely type....
[Sus_Nyrop] now back to reality kitchen
[daf] it is noon here
[Sus_Nyrop] hehe my fingertips are glowing too
[Sus_Nyrop] dinner time here
[Sus_Nyrop] we have an early dinner in Denmark
[daf] I wished it were dinner time for me ;-)
[Sus_Nyrop] bye bye bye
[Sus_Nyrop] HUgs
[Rickpr38] I mean I have almost forgotten how.... Been doing too much admin stuff
[daf] bye everybody it has been apleasure as usual
[Sus_Nyrop] we're going tob eat our daily Hot Potatoes!
[daf] with True and Falso or scrambled sentences, Sus?
[Sus_Nyrop] hot boiled potatoes,summer and winter
[Sus_Nyrop] hehe
[Rickpr38] Bye daf!
[daf] bye bye
[Sus_Nyrop] with scrambeld eggs today perhaps
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[buthaina] My Remedial English classes are 110 minutes, and students like to stay more, Daf especially if we are at the c-lab.
[buthaina] It's good here , Rick
[Rickpr38] I had no sound for about a moment (my hearing perhaps?)
[Sus_Nyrop] it is such fun when kids get sop immersed that they wist to stay in the computer lab
[sroseman] I am from Onterio ..just noticed this http://curriculum.enoreo.on.ca/ontario_blogs/why_blog.html
[daf] yes, Buth, that is the problem they want to keep working on the computer
[Sus_Nyrop] sometimes you will have a time lag Rick
[daf] and some of my students attend classes from home
[Rickpr38] sus, I think that must be it. In the archives on Worldbridges is the sound feed also saved?
[buthaina] Yeah, like my hair now, full of Gel and Spiky..heheh
[daf] this is my class podcasting blog: http://courses.worldbridges.com/dyg_usb/
[daf] my students will start podcasting next week
[buthaina] If I did that, Daf, have students join the class from home, I could have got fired..
[Rickpr38] daf, how quickly did your students take to podcasting?
[daf] so far they are listening to podcastings made by webheads
[buthaina] It doesn't matter now..I resigned..
[daf] I am step by step, Rick
[Rickpr38] I am new to it myself....
[daf] first they are listening to others' podcasts (recorded especially for them)
[daf] and they have activiites to complete,
[buthaina] Happy, Vance is able to skype the globe now..Bravo UAE
[Rickpr38] daf, what is the time limit of the podcasts
[daf] and next step is for them to do the podcasts
[daf] what do you mean, time limit?
[Rickpr38] yes.
[daf] around 5-7 minutes, I think
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[JeffLebow] Dave, just wanted to let you know I can't read your skype chat. My skype window is really scary looking
[dave] Jeff: mine is fine
[Sus_Nyrop] I lost you, am back
[JeffLebow] how many people do you see in the conference?
[dave] 6
[daf] I am having problems with spam on my students blogs in blogger :-(
[JeffLebow] Wow!
[Sus_Nyrop] spell it here pls
[Stephen_Downes] manila
[Stephen_Downes] rss2javascript
[jo] daf, have you got them to turn on word verification?
[Sus_Nyrop] who is now talking?
[Sus_Nyrop] thank you
[daf] yes, they have done that
[Rickpr38] There is a size limite for the casts, no? sounds like vance?
[JeffLebow] skype conferences are limited to 5 participants....somehow we've overcome that
[Sus_Nyrop] Is that Will Richardson speaking?
[Rickpr38] I am getting some feedback from Vance. Anyone else. sounds metallic
[Stephen_Downes] yes
[Rickpr38] (if it was Vance)
[sroseman] our school district disallowed the use of blogs due to some bullying practices
[sroseman] among students
[daf] since my students topic is architecture or urban planning they are getting messages with adds about arch. stuff
[Sus_Nyrop] instead of teaching blog culture and avoid bullying
[sroseman] replaced by Ontario Blogs http://curriculum.enoreo.on.ca/ontario_blogs/about_blogs.html
[buthaina] Yes, Rick, me..I'm getting metalic when waslistening to Vance,minor though
[daf] Vance always have that problem in LT and Alado
[Sus_Nyrop] yes, some blog comment spam seem to be generated by some sort of tag tracking
[daf] LiveJournal is free of spam, so far
[buthaina] oh, Why don't suggest the use of BlogMeister to your school, Sroseman
[sroseman] we are using blogmeister
[sroseman] http://classblogmeister.com/blog.php?blogger_id=6860
[buthaina] Blogmeister. by David Warlick are very secured and no one can post a comment without a password provided by a class teacher
[daf] but that is too restricted, Buth
[daf] the idea of a blog is to be read
[buthaina] does David knows about this; if you join his YG you can report this to him
[Sus_Nyrop] smartasses from obscure corporate bizniz have grabbed the RSS for their spread of links to ad sites they hope people will click
[daf] and get comments from others, not only your classmates. For that you don't need a blog
[buthaina] Daf , I used it in Fall 2004, ad it worked very good
[daf] yes, but for that kind of activity we don't need to use a blog
[daf] you can use a forum
[sroseman] Blogger and xanga seem to be blocked by our school district
[buthaina] I agree, Stephen, so far it''s the best for me and my students..easy and simple
[sroseman] we have to go with Blogmeister
[Sus_Nyrop] elgg is an interesting option, but still in the making - I like the FOAF feature
[buthaina] Where are you located, sorseman
[Sus_Nyrop] that's Sue Roseman
[sroseman] Ontario, Canada
[sroseman] yep..that's me
[daf] yes, I love buzznet
[buthaina] I'm sorry to hear that, soresman
[buthaina] Yes, I agree, Vance..Buzznet is so cool, easy and simple and we can do lots of things with it
[Sus_Nyrop] Strongly agree on this point
[daf] I have been having problems connecting to buzznet in the last few days
[Sus_Nyrop] that we do need to support developing communicative internet skills
[daf] it says that there is too much traffic
[sroseman] a controlled envirnment with blogmeister here in Ontario http://curriculum.enoreo.on.ca/ontario_blogs/about_blogs.html
[buthaina] Maybe they're maintaining their site, Daf..
[sroseman] environment
[buthaina] sroseman, maybe you could have the management in your school listen to today's talk in order to convinc them to unblock Blogger.
[jo] I'm really enjoying this but I've got to go. Have a good week all. Goodnight
[sroseman] possibly..but the guidelines have been set
[Sus_Nyrop] :/
[Sus_Nyrop] goodnight Jo
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[buthaina] I agree, sroseman about blogmesiter, but it's good for kids in order to provide a secure environment
[Sus_Nyrop] you should also consider the democratic potential that the internet may have for students
[buthaina] FYI, blogmeister has started Podcasting too
[sroseman] I agree
[Sus_Nyrop] which factor please?
[Sus_Nyrop] I did not understand the term
[buthaina] which term, Sus?
[Sus_Nyrop] the something factor
[buthaina] Sorry, I think I've missed that
[buthaina] Thanks, Vance and Sus
[Rickpr38] something?
[Sus_Nyrop] elgg is structured a bit differently
[daf] I finally got to my students buzznet on rhythm http://dyg-brainmaps.buzznet.com/user/
[Sus_Nyrop] but I still find I need to use it for a while to become familiar with the ideas
[Sus_Nyrop] I got an elgg blog and found many likeminded friends to link to
[daf] I have an elgg account but have not started a blog yet ;-)
[Sus_Nyrop] so I can read my FOAF stream
[Sus_Nyrop] http://elgg.net/netopnyrop
[daf] I am exploring a new wiki with my grad students: http://ambientescolaborativos.pbwiki.com
[buthaina] Yeah, it's the Wiki announced by Jay Cross, Daf..I like it
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[Sus_Nyrop] it is a formalized learning paradigm, BB & WEbCT are promoting the more traditional trivial classrom lecture standards
[Sus_Nyrop] I like wikispaces.org
[willrich] Power is on!
[daf] Sus I have just written the first entry to the Elgg blog: http://elgg.net/daf/weblog/
[buthaina] Hi, Will, and welcome to the chat room
[Rickpr38] Who is actually on, has access to, Internet 2?
[daf] Hi Will, wb
[daf] I had forgotten I had that account
[buthaina] No sound here
[daf] I have sound
[buthaina] Anyone is talking now?!!
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[daf] wb sus
[buthaina] Dave..Help..No sound is here
[daf] Sus, sent you the link to my elgg blog: http://elgg.net/daf/weblog/
[dave] checking now...
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[buthaina] Thanks
[JeffLebow] Still no sound for anyonE?
[Sus_Nyrop] You can find my comment daf and click on that
[daf] I have sound
[Sus_Nyrop] I hear well
[dave] k. is there sound...
[buthaina] Yes, Jeff, no sound here
[Rickpr38] Jeff, click onthe links below.
[dave] mmm
[Rickpr38] :one of them anyway
[buthaina] Ok, Now..
[Sus_Nyrop] We plan to promote elgg at our online conference for Nordic language educators in November followed by a webheads effect
[Sus_Nyrop] Anne fox is using elgg a lot
[buthaina] Anyone's talking now..Heard Sus saying : are y hearing me? and that was the last thinh i heard..
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[buthaina] I closed the webcast and opening it again now
[buthaina] ok, it works now
[daf] This has been awesome!!
[daf] Thanks Will and Stephen for a great talk!!
[buthaina] gone, now..is it me or you Jeff? I lost the sound again
[Sus_Nyrop] Sus saying something - was I???
[buthaina] Ok, the sound is back now
[Sus_Nyrop] I really have coem to feel Sunday is my best day of the weel!
[Sus_Nyrop] week
[buthaina] not again..it's gone
[Rickpr38] Thanks for sharing and for providing such an engaging intro to this platform.
[buthaina] ok, hear you now
[daf] I will be listening again to the podcast, for sure. and I will have my graduate students listen to it
[Sus_Nyrop] Dave & Jeff, I will get back to you two for getting some more ideas for our Nordic Voice conference podcast
[dave] great
[Rickpr38] How can we find this podcast?
[Sus_Nyrop] yes, lots and lots of inspiration! Thank you again, Will & Steve
[daf] at the home page, Rick
[daf] http://worldbridges.com/
[Rickpr38] Thanks daf
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[Rickpr38] Hi bob
[buthaina] Sus, I tired to join your Nrdic Moodle, but was stuck with some words I couldn't understand in Nordic Language..:-) But will try
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[buthaina] again
[Sus_Nyrop] Buth - choose English language from the login Moodle
[daf] claps, claps, claps
[buthaina] Rick, you can always come back to worldbridges to find recent and old Webcasts..They are all archived
[daf] claps, claps
[Rickpr38] buth, can you save the webcasts too?
[daf] thanks Jeff, Dave, Will and Stephen
[buthaina] I couldn't find that feature, sus
[Rickpr38] Thanks everyone!
[Sus_Nyrop] default language on this moodle servef is Danish <sigh>
[daf] you can use the RSS feed, Rick
[elderbob] I have no sound, it appears that this was the end.
[buthaina] thanks Sue..We will
[daf] and save them to your iTunes
[Sus_Nyrop] I will try to write a help note for that problem
[Rickpr38] Thanks, daf. I need to start to use RSS. I have just been reading about them so far....
[Sus_Nyrop] buy bye all of you dear Webheads and guests
[elderbob] Bye all.
[elderbob] later.
[sroseman] waves bye
[daf] this has been a great sunday morning!
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[Sus_Nyrop] Rick you will need the Becoming a Wehweads 101
[daf] lol,sus
[Sus_Nyrop] course in January - february
[buthaina] Thank you Jeff and Dave for such great Webcast..and to your Awesome Guests, Stephen and Will..



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