EdTechWeekly #78

18:57:45 matt montagne -> hey y'all
18:57:49 Gary -> Norther Canada - southern Alberta
18:57:52 john.rundag -> hey matt
18:58:14 matt montagne -> glad to do that jeff!! how is class going??
18:58:20 matt montagne -> You'll have to give a report
18:58:29 matt montagne -> hey John.r
18:58:36 JenM -> I think this will be a quite night with the Memorial Day in the US and all ... right?
18:58:56 john.rundag -> I think you are right, Jen.
18:59:33 Gary -> OLPC is like a soap opera
19:00:01 matt montagne -> the XO2 looks cool...
19:00:29 Gary -> @Matt - true but the other politics etc
19:00:48 matt montagne -> http://government.zdnet.com/?p=3831
19:00:53 john.rundag -> and no way can they get the price down to $75
19:01:07 matt montagne -> @gary...I've actually been incredibly disappointed with my XO :(
19:01:23 matt montagne -> I hope gen2 is better
19:01:56 JenWagner -> Hello Room!
19:02:11 Gary -> Too bad - my brother was asking about the 2 for 1 offer and I advised against it - glad I did. He was thinking something for his kids
19:02:13 JenM -> Thanks for joining us on this holiday weekend (in the US, anyway) ...
19:02:21 john.rundag -> Hello JenW
19:02:22 sharonp -> Room says hi to Jen!
19:02:42 john.rundag -> Jen seems to be a popular name
19:03:00 JenM -> hey, Lisa!
19:03:06 mrsdurff -> hey
19:03:10 JenWagner -> Hello John and Jen and Sharon and Jeff and and and EVERYONE
19:03:23 sharonp -> yes Lisa, must be nice to ben finished school too
19:03:37 sharonp -> my chat box is soooo slow..
19:03:38 mrsdurff -> thanks
19:03:51 JenWagner -> I sent my FIRST to EdTechTalk delicious today -- felt so PROUD :)
19:03:54 matt montagne -> hey mrs. durff!!!
19:04:03 Gary -> Ir'a okay about the show - you Americans are on holiday
19:04:05 mrsdurff -> sharon i went out for frozen soy
19:04:14 mrsdurff -> they only had vanilla
19:04:15 sharonp -> I inspired you!!
19:04:24 mrsdurff -> hi matt
19:04:26 sharonp -> did you drop some choc chips in it??
19:04:27 JenWagner -> no John Schinker???
19:04:37 sharonp -> sans John tonight!
19:04:46 john.rundag -> There is another John here..lol
19:04:47 mrsdurff -> you did sharon - i got fruit and drizzled maple syrup on top
19:04:55 sharonp -> the oovoo spectacular??
19:04:58 dave -> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080520-olpc-2-0-coming-will-proje...
19:05:16 JL -> http://edtechtalk.com/EdTechWeekly77
19:05:59 john.rundag -> 75 euros maybe...
19:06:13 JenWagner -> SOOO if you have not gotten the first round -- do you immediately get on the list for round TWO??
19:06:22 Gary -> Much cheaper for those Nigerian students!
19:06:26 JenWagner -> Kathy Shields has NOT gotten her first set of 10 yet
19:06:36 sharonp -> NOOO!!
19:06:37 dave -> lol
19:06:42 sharonp -> not yet!&??
19:06:44 JenWagner -> yep -- they did not come yet
19:06:52 JenWagner -> they have not come yet
19:06:52 JenM -> Let's play ... http://www.scribblelive.com/ ... and ... http://www.scribblelive.com/Thread.aspx?Id=883&Invite=8D4D6A39-3A03-4EF6... ... here is the code if you need it ...
19:07:00 Gary -> Could not resist it Dave
19:07:09 dave -> saved me from saying it
19:07:21 matt montagne -> no ustream??
19:07:25 JenM -> 8D4D6A39-3A03-4EF6-AB04-58A789F34D75
19:07:27 sharonp -> that is cool
19:07:37 mrsdurff -> no matt
19:07:47 matt montagne -> it is working for me
19:07:52 mrsdurff -> not me
19:07:56 matt montagne -> it flaked out for a sec
19:07:59 mrsdurff -> you're special
19:09:58 Homer -> for simple live backchannel http://lingr.com/ is simpler-- no login, named rooms, permanent rooms, password if wanted, etc.
19:10:19 JL -> http://www.lulu.com/content/2526346 21st Century Technology Tools by Liz Davis (Book) in Education & Language
19:10:40 JenM -> http://www.scribblelive.com/Thread.aspx?Id=883&Invite=8D4D6A39-3A03-4EF6...
19:11:11 JL -> http://www.scribd.com/doc/2992559/Media-Guide-Web-Based-Resources-for-Tr...
19:11:20 JL -> http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/841 Open Thinking & Digital Pedagogy » EC&I 831 - Voicethread Reflections
19:11:22 JenWagner -> hmmmm I didn't know she was going to sell it
19:11:36 courosa -> thanks jeff
19:11:45 dave -> @JW liz?
19:11:51 sharonp -> oh sure, Jeff waited till Alec was here in the chat to mention it....!
19:11:55 dave -> why... did you contribute?
19:12:01 JenWagner -> Yep -- I had followed her blog posts -- didn't know she was putting it into print
19:12:11 courosa -> :-)
19:12:13 JenWagner -> makes sense :)
19:12:31 sharonp -> Jeff is angling for an edtech posse mug, methinks
19:12:55 JenWagner -> Sharon -- I think the EdTechPosse guys should bring mugs as door prizes when they are on WOW2 :)
19:12:58 sharonp -> the Common Craft vids are great
19:13:04 courosa -> always as an angle
19:13:15 courosa -> @jen done .. have them ready for WoW
19:13:17 sharonp -> I think we gotta get our own mugs going too
19:13:20 JenWagner -> Have you seen that Common Craft have updated videos which you can download for a COST now??
19:13:38 dave -> http://www.foaf-project.org/you/index.html
19:13:58 sharonp -> wow, Common Craft has an angle too
19:14:09 courosa -> friend of a friend
19:14:24 JenWagner -> Actually -- they did a good job with the upgrades -- but still encourage teachers to use the free versions
19:14:34 aliciabarbitta -> [b]hi, good evening, sorry if I interrupt
19:14:42 mrsdurff -> boys!
19:14:47 sroseman -> let's foaf
19:15:01 courosa -> like the concept, just don't really like how it is set up
19:15:19 JenM -> Google Sites ... http://mashable.com/2008/05/22/google-sites-opens-up-for-everyone ... and ... http://sites.google.com/site/designedtoinspire
19:15:34 sharonp -> speaking of foafs, almost fell off my chair today when Mike Wesch subscribed to my friendfeed
19:15:35 JenWagner -> (here is their store -- for when you have time) -- http://www.commoncraft.com/store
19:15:45 courosa -> @dave FOAF fandboy
19:15:48 sharonp -> hey, am using google sites for my workshops this week
19:15:51 courosa -> -d
19:16:05 sharonp -> like wikispaces for google
19:16:20 sharonp -> I liked the way I could embed a google form
19:16:26 JenWagner -> I would still go with pbwiki
19:16:37 JenWagner -> I embedded a form on pbwiki too
19:16:45 JenWagner -> Yes
19:16:49 matt montagne -> I don't thinkg you can
19:16:51 JenWagner -> but you have to go to SOURCE
19:16:52 courosa -> @jen , why pbwiki vs. wikispaces?
19:16:55 JenWagner -> and HTML it
19:17:05 JenWagner -> Ahhhh Alec -- I would LOVE to chat this with you
19:17:06 courosa -> you can do a lot, but within the CSS
19:17:18 mrsdurff -> yes
19:17:29 JenWagner -> I used wikispaces for the longest time -- then found PBWiki -- and just went YES
19:17:33 JL -> http://seesmic.com/app#/video/NbIX5SG8PX/watch Can your cat do this? on Seesmic
19:17:49 courosa -> @jen did you move your wikispaces stuff over?
19:17:53 JenWagner -> grins -- when we finally talk -- Alec -- we will have TONS to talk about
19:18:02 JenWagner -> NO -- I left my Wikispaces stuff on wikispaces
19:18:09 courosa -> for sure jen! :-)
19:18:18 JenWagner -> we need to plan a time to talk
19:18:35 sharonp -> personally I just think it is cool we OPTIONS.... no one is dominating the market
19:18:45 courosa -> agreed, my life gets better after this week, let's try something
19:18:50 sharonp -> we HAVE options
19:18:52 dave -> http://screenshot-program.com/fireshot/
19:18:55 JenWagner -> but I cannot -- honestly -- cannon figure out MediaWiki
19:19:01 JenWagner -> cannot
19:19:11 jennar -> I have also seen great sign-language conversations on seesmic
19:19:32 sharonp -> MediaWiki doesn't have the same functionality, I think, as the others (for rank newbies)
19:19:43 courosa -> skitch for windows
19:19:48 courosa -> nothing beats skitch
19:19:53 JenWagner -> Okay -- this screenshot program wins my VERY BEST EDTECHTALK LINK EVER!!
19:20:02 matt montagne -> Is this PC only??
19:20:08 JenWagner -> MediaWiki just freaked me out
19:20:13 courosa -> am going to try it now
19:20:19 JenWagner -> Yep
19:20:22 sharonp -> Jen!!
19:20:25 JenWagner -> VERY VERY BEST -- will be my WOW of the week
19:20:30 JenWagner -> <---called it
19:20:41 sharonp -> am showing off skitch at a cool tool duel this week - now I have a PC option!
19:21:13 JenWagner -> I used Paint Shop Pro -- so I had to open, click, draw, fix, save, etc........ can't wait to try this new tool
19:21:14 john.rundag -> uses MediaWiki
19:21:27 sharonp -> only for PCs right??
19:21:29 john.rundag -> likes Jing too
19:21:30 courosa -> says not available for Mac OS X]
19:21:33 JenM -> Lifecast ... Like FeedFriend ... http://letsprove.com/
19:21:34 JenWagner -> LOLOL sorry
19:21:37 sharonp -> aha
19:21:38 Gary -> Jing is another option with more limited toools
19:21:46 sharonp -> yes, just today
19:21:48 john.rundag -> Friendfeed
19:21:51 matt montagne -> I just installed fireshot on my Mac
19:22:09 courosa -> i signed up today ... i don't really get it, there have been otherse like this
19:22:10 matt montagne -> I think it only cares that you have firefox
19:22:15 sharonp -> lifecasting.... wow... a new term
19:22:19 JenWagner -> it hit at the wrong time -- people had just weired out with diigo -- and then someone tried to push friendfeed and people became wary
19:22:58 JL -> http://www.yolango.com/
19:23:01 JenWagner -> Fireshot is now installed -- but I will wait until the end of the show to reboot Firefox
19:23:32 Homer -> It's only their fave now because it's newer
19:23:44 Homer -> they will switch to something else when it comes out. There is no sophistication to their use
19:23:53 JenM -> :) Jeff ... laundry done ...
19:23:57 dave -> http://skrbl.com/75666289
19:24:48 courosa -> http://img.skitch.com/20080525-pt5x24jhsdynsi2rrkgn982d2.jpg
19:25:15 JenM -> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/20_ways_to_learn_a_language_online.php
19:25:24 dave -> @courosa LOL
19:25:49 john.rundag -> good one, courosa
19:26:01 courosa -> gotta love skitch
19:26:21 Gary -> That is not funny Dave - you don't want to annoy the Mac crowd.
19:26:34 sharonp -> oh alec am soooooo using that in my workshop
19:26:36 courosa -> that is dave pushing out Windows-agenda software again.
19:26:37 JL -> http://bab.la/ Dictionary, learn languages, online quizzes - bab.la
19:26:44 john.rundag -> is on a Mac
19:26:52 JL -> http://www.slanguages.net/archive.php SLanguages 2008
19:27:00 courosa -> @sharon ... haha!
19:27:02 JenWagner -> the fill tool isn't working for me on skrbl
19:27:22 dave -> http://kob.com/article/stories/S451152.shtml?cat=517
19:27:36 mrsdurff -> it was fun!
19:27:39 john.rundag -> gimme a break!
19:27:44 Gary -> What!????
19:27:48 dave -> http://news.therecord.com/article/354044
19:27:56 courosa -> great story
19:28:07 courosa -> in months instead of never
19:28:12 sharonp -> I have a little mac- pc tension going on
19:28:30 JenWagner -> poor bugs -- being forced to eat plastic :)
19:28:40 john.rundag -> looks like Matt restarted Firefox
19:28:45 sharonp -> I react when I am away from wifi, reverse allergy?
19:29:01 courosa -> you mean like radio, television, mobile frequencies, satellite, etc.?
19:29:02 JenM -> 2 links I have not tried ... http://flowchart.com/ ... and ... http://remime.com/
19:29:08 matt montagne -> @john...I did!
19:29:12 dave -> yes courosa
19:29:15 Homer -> and COSMIC RAYS!
19:29:19 Homer -> get yer tin foil hats
19:29:21 mrsdurff -> so do we break out in hives or what?
19:29:29 matt montagne -> Can't get fireshot to work on my mac...it installed, but doesn't seem to want to work
19:29:39 mrsdurff -> twitchy
19:29:53 courosa -> hives would be too much of a network term, perhaps break out in disconnected isoluation.
19:30:24 sharonp -> matt, did you miss Alec's pretty skitch page?
19:30:34 JenWagner -> Web THREE???
19:30:35 courosa -> @matt see - http://img.skitch.com/20080525-pt5x24jhsdynsi2rrkgn982d2.jpg
19:30:37 JL -> http://www.bizjournals.com/washington/stories/2008/05/19/daily25.html TechRadium sues Blackboard over patent
19:30:50 JenWagner -> sighs -- WomenofWeb3.0 -- do I buy the website today???
19:30:53 matt montagne -> @sharonp...I didn't...
19:30:54 courosa -> Yes!
19:31:00 courosa -> legal karma
19:31:05 matt montagne -> @alec...that explains it! Thanx
19:31:32 dave -> http://davecormier.com/edblog/2008/05/25/living-archives-reflections-on-...
19:31:46 Homer -> sadly it would be better for all of us if Blackboard WINS this time
19:31:48 JenWagner -> I don't think we have been totally tortured YET
19:31:51 courosa -> now we will be tortured by launch stories :-)
19:31:59 sharonp -> so fabulous, DAve!!!
19:32:31 JenM -> Do we need these repositories? http://learn.creativecommons.org/projects/oesearch
19:32:36 courosa -> great job dave, all the success on the launch
19:33:01 JenWagner -> why would education need its own creative commons?? what would be different???
19:33:24 courosa -> good point jen
19:33:46 sharonp -> as you mentioned, there are already some placess online
19:33:48 JenWagner -> grade appropriate??? sorry -- just not getting what it would cover that it doesn't already cover
19:33:53 sharonp -> like curriki
19:34:09 JL -> http://mystudiyo.com/prizes
19:34:14 mrsdurff -> not on holidays = no opinions
19:34:18 Homer -> For one thing, it's not a repository project, it's an indexing project
19:34:25 JenM -> @lisa :)
19:34:27 JenWagner -> ahhhhhh they want us to store our stuff with them perhaps??? never thought that my CC link linnks back to them -- hmmmm duh to me
19:34:28 sharonp -> content is content - no engagement with content and learning does not happen
19:34:49 sharonp -> indexing is not bad
19:34:53 JenWagner -> so -- again -- a tag that brings the clicker back to CC
19:34:57 JenM -> @homer ... good point ...
19:34:57 courosa -> in Canada, you get a Eee if you sign up with a new Royal Bank account.
19:35:11 sharonp -> do you really??
19:35:19 Homer -> it's no different than CC search that exists which finds CC material in sites like flickr, etc
19:35:20 dave -> http://www.usingmac.com/2008/5/20/101-must-know-quick-leopard-tips
19:35:23 sharonp -> how about minors?? My son could use a bank account
19:35:26 JenWagner -> Do people NOT bank at that bank -- LOL, they seem to still have computers left
19:35:47 sharonp -> my daughters bank at Royal, their parents do BMO
19:35:53 JenWagner -> <----still using Tiger
19:35:57 courosa -> http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/01/canadian-bank-hands-out-free-eee-pcs/
19:36:01 JenM -> New version of dimdim .. http://www.dimdim.com/aboutus/dimdim_events.html
19:36:01 sharonp -> Dave minces no words
19:36:14 mrsdurff -> like those Dalmations?
19:36:19 john.rundag -> using Leopard here
19:36:29 sroseman -> yeah for the tips
19:36:40 sroseman -> ditto
19:36:46 matt montagne -> Dim Dim is average at best
19:36:55 matt montagne -> DimDim is so so
19:36:56 JenWagner -> I was thinking TOMTOM and was thinking that DimDim was a GPS server and was dealing with it being open source LOL
19:37:15 mrsdurff -> i hear drums....
19:37:37 JenWagner -> Durff -- your last day was Friday -- or this next Friday. Our final day is the 30th
19:37:51 mrsdurff -> 5/23
19:38:01 mrsdurff -> we are done
19:38:01 JenWagner -> I put in a EDTECHLINK to delciious -- but you did NOT mention it
19:38:02 JenWagner -> SIGHS
19:38:20 mrsdurff -> someone mention Jen's
19:38:34 JenWagner -> LOL --- I guess it didn't make the cut
19:38:44 mrsdurff -> ouch
19:38:48 JL -> which one Jen?
19:38:55 JenWagner -> LOL
19:38:59 JenWagner -> it was a firefox add on
19:39:00 courosa -> here's one - http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i//msnbc/Components/spectra/index.html
19:39:02 JenWagner -> hang on
19:39:03 JL -> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5457 Shareaholic :: Firefox Add-ons
19:39:05 JenWagner -> I will grab it
19:39:08 JenWagner -> LOLOL
19:39:09 JenWagner -> yep
19:39:11 JenWagner -> that is it
19:39:19 JenWagner -> I am howling
19:39:31 JenWagner -> maybe I should have stayed QUIET
19:39:43 mrsdurff -> we love you Jen
19:39:44 JenWagner -> LOLOL
19:39:53 courosa -> i added one
19:39:53 JenWagner -> thank you!!
19:40:02 JenWagner -> Alec has one too
19:40:04 courosa -> that was excellent coverage!
19:40:14 mrsdurff -> go Jen!
19:40:17 matt montagne -> gr8 show
19:40:21 JenWagner -> love this show
19:40:34 Gary -> Thanks again.
19:40:49 JenWagner -> show goes a bit longer with John
19:40:52 john.rundag -> http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/space/05/25/mars.lander/index.html?eref=rss...
19:41:08 mrsdurff -> tada!!
19:41:25 JenWagner -> I think he was rebooting -- not leaving in a huff
19:41:34 JenWagner -> the Fire screen shot amazed him too
19:41:49 dave -> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/spacevidcast
19:41:53 john.rundag -> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/spacevidcast
19:42:00 john.rundag -> Dave beat me
19:42:16 JenWagner -> hmmm not loading
19:42:23 alicemercer -> Howdy
19:42:31 alicemercer -> Better late than never?
19:42:34 mrsdurff -> i guess you don't need that link
19:42:42 mrsdurff -> hi alice
19:42:46 JenWagner -> What is his name???
19:42:49 courosa -> @dave'sbuddy ... careful, slow, careful ... slow
19:42:50 JenWagner -> is he in the chat??
19:42:53 mrsdurff -> http://www.ustream.tv/
19:43:09 mrsdurff -> alice it is on the front page
19:43:16 mrsdurff -> phoenix landing
19:43:18 dave -> he built the laser that is going to fire back
19:43:23 JenWagner -> ahhhhh
19:43:38 JenWagner -> my dad helped build the first space shuttle
19:43:46 JenWagner -> many many many Moons ago
19:44:01 john.rundag -> no pun intended, Jen?
19:44:05 JenWagner -> not at all
19:44:06 JenWagner -> :)
19:44:12 alicemercer -> My grandpa worked on the heat tiles JW
19:44:18 JenWagner -> he was a riveter -- and I won't make any jokes
19:44:26 mrsdurff -> every night? are you nuts?
19:44:27 JenWagner -> Alice -- did he work at McDonnelll Douglas??
19:44:29 john.rundag -> :)
19:44:30 alicemercer -> Hey, my grandad was a tool inspector
19:44:30 JenWagner -> LOL
19:44:33 alicemercer -> Lockheed
19:44:44 JenWagner -> ahhhh my dad was at McDonnell Douglas
19:44:46 mrsdurff -> 10 mins until phoenix lands
19:45:09 JenWagner -> do you have a Translator??
19:45:27 JenWagner -> and did you make your wiki in their language?? or did you need to??
19:45:42 alicemercer -> Uncle was there for a bit JW, but most of the family back to great grand dad were at Lockheed
19:45:45 mrsdurff -> leaving to go make coffee in time for phoenix landing - bye ye all and thank you
19:46:01 courosa -> that's how i teach, works best to be unplanned
19:46:03 JenWagner -> I did a What I believe
19:46:07 courosa -> and experiment
19:46:27 courosa -> confusion vs. complexity vs. complications
19:46:32 JenWagner -> that is one reason I am a bit skeptical of Necc Unplugged
19:46:43 JenWagner -> I think that planning it might take away the spontaneity
19:46:45 john.rundag -> it is in the atmosphere now
19:47:14 JenWagner -> people keep trying to standardize web 2.0
19:47:15 kevinh -> strategic potential
19:47:17 alicemercer -> Hey, anyone remember a link from 2007 about how to blog a conference
19:47:33 courosa -> like twitter
19:47:42 JL -> http://coveritlive.com/
19:47:46 JenWagner -> yep -- someone people keep trying to make RULES
19:47:48 JenWagner -> :)
19:48:00 alicemercer -> DANG, I just found it.
19:48:05 alicemercer -> Nope JL
19:48:12 kevinh -> the curse of knowledge?
19:48:13 john.rundag -> 6 minutes
19:48:13 JenWagner -> lets stay here together
19:48:15 alicemercer -> http://blog.ted.com/2007/10/how_to_blog_a_c.php
19:48:16 JenWagner -> for the landing
19:48:20 courosa -> see jen jones recent post about not being gentle with the descriptions, not to dull down he descriptiosn of twitter, etc.
19:48:36 JenWagner -> I saw her post -- grins, and the links to her post
19:48:37 matt montagne -> bye y'all
19:48:41 alicemercer -> stay where JW?
19:48:48 JenWagner -> here -- together
19:48:50 JenWagner -> in this room
19:48:51 JenWagner -> :)
19:48:57 JL -> Thanks all
19:48:59 JenWagner -> though it is amazingly quiet now
19:48:59 john.rundag -> bye Matt
19:49:23 sharonp -> great show, picked up some winners!!
19:49:29 JenWagner -> yep -- me too
19:49:31 alicemercer -> So JW, question...
19:49:38 JenWagner -> sure
19:49:43 JenWagner -> go for it, Alice
19:49:50 alicemercer -> WOW, anyone you think will want to stream on tues from NECC?
19:50:01 alicemercer -> or is that an unknowable unknown
19:50:12 JenWagner -> Yes
19:50:18 JenWagner -> I can think of several
19:50:25 JenWagner -> well, they are known to me though
19:50:30 JenWagner -> :)
19:50:35 alicemercer -> brb dad called, sorry
19:50:41 JenWagner -> no problem
19:50:52 john.rundag -> parachute deployed
19:50:55 sharonp -> wishing was not going to be 8 hours AHEAD of NECC
19:51:15 JenWagner -> I guess I have been out of it spacewise -- I really did not know about this landing
19:51:32 sharonp -> me neither Jen, and my uncle worked for NASA
19:51:45 JenWagner -> so Alec -- you are going to be on our show soon??
19:52:12 john.rundag -> I have been reading about it on CNN
19:52:35 JenWagner -> hmmmm guess I missed it
19:52:40 JenWagner -> was watching about the tornados
19:52:46 john.rundag -> 90 seconds
19:52:58 JenWagner -> so does Phoenix have a rover??
19:53:18 JenWagner -> or is Phoenix a rover??
19:54:01 john.rundag -> touchdown!
19:54:53 john.rundag -> it should begin sending pictures soon
19:56:07 JenWagner -> dlaufenberg is at JPL in Pasadena right now --
19:56:18 JenWagner -> so she is seeing this on the NASA screens
19:56:27 john.rundag -> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/mission/index.html
19:57:19 john.rundag -> it isn't a rover. it is a lander
19:58:43 alicemercer -> Hey JW