This week, Lisa, Maria, and Sheila got a bit political, talking about today's politics of teaching. Our kickoff was a series of tweets by Diane Ravitch, @dianeravitch, about the need for educators to advocate for themselves. Join us this week in finding a way to promote educators to the public - or at least to your parents.
11:25:21 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : Have video/sound on ustream
11:25:51 Sheila : no sound though right?
11:26:43 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : had sound.
11:26:47 Sheila : stopping for a moment
11:27:00 Lisa Parisi : Hello Scott
11:27:08 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : Hello Lisa
11:27:36 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : Coffee refill before show
11:29:03 Lisa Parisi : Hi Lori
11:29:11 Lori Feldman : Hi there kiddo!
11:30:53 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : He Peggy
11:31:00 PeggyG : Hi everyone
11:31:01 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : Hi,...
11:31:31 Lisa Parisi : Hi Peggy
11:31:35 PeggyG : Didn't see a tweet this morning! So glad you're
11:31:53 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : Sound back
11:32:27 PeggyG : I can see and hear ustream today!!! Woo hoo!!
Going to be a great day :-)
11:32:30 Sheila 2 : We are a little behind the times. .
11:32:36 Lisa Parisi : Sorry Peggy. Took a while to decide on a topic
11:32:37 Sheila 2 : Yeah Peggy!
11:32:41 PeggyG : we hit 95 degrees yesterday in Phoenix!
11:32:45 Lori Feldman : Mostly listening today...trying to set
trays for Passover
11:33:00 PeggyG : Hi Lori
11:33:34 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : 33 here last night
11:33:37 PeggyG : some people start ahead of time of things--I'm
not one of them :-)
11:33:45 Lori Feldman : not off of work...
11:34:13 PeggyG : spring break is over in AZ
11:34:46 Lori Feldman : Nebraska not quite full of Members Of the
11:35:03 Lisa Parisi : No Lori
11:36:49 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : No, it is the BEST time to be a new teacher. Getting in at the bottom... no where to go
11:37:02 Sheila 2 : :)
11:37:33 Lisa Parisi : True Scott
11:38:10 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : (and I'm going to be a
rockstar. Will have a guitar in my
11:38:14 Lisa Parisi : LOL
11:38:48 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : I took my 6-string to
kindergarten. We wrote songs for poetry month
11:38:49 PeggyG : gee whiz! briefly lost my internet connection
and saw it on the ustream screen :-)
11:40:00 PeggyG : did you share a link for Diane Ravitch as the
basis for this conversation?
11:40:13 Lisa Parisi : No Peggy.
11:40:15 MariaK : just here twitter feed from last week April 11
11:40:18 Lisa Parisi : Just came from her tweets
11:40:22 PeggyG : ok thanks
11:40:23 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : I was at the school board
meeting last week. I was one of three
11:40:27 Lisa Parisi : @dianeravitch
11:41:48 Sheila 2 : Morning Maureen.
11:42:09 Maureen : Hi Sheila- what are you talking about today?
11:42:34 MariaK : Teachers advocating for themselves
11:43:21 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : So you think individual voices
are stronger than the collective voice of the umion?
11:43:35 Lisa Parisi : I think we need both, Scott
11:43:45 PeggyG : http://twitter.com/#!/dianeravitch
11:43:59 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : me too....
11:44:57 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : sound?
11:45:14 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : back now.
11:45:15 Sheila 2 : I think that was Maria's connection.
11:45:51 Maureen : no sound?
11:46:04 PeggyG : no sound for me either right now
11:46:22 Lisa Parisi : Go to ustream for sound
11:46:48 PeggyG : ustream is off air for me
11:46:54 Maureen : It
11:46:57 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : back now
11:46:58 MariaK : etta stream is up
11:46:58 Maureen : It's back now
11:47:02 PeggyG : ok now
11:47:18 PeggyG : repeat your rants :-)
11:47:18 Maureen : you'll have to rant again
11:48:09 Sheila 2 : Sorry about that all!
11:48:23 Maureen : I don't feel hated, but no longer respected as
in the past
11:48:47 Lisa Parisi : I feel scared to tell people I teach. Sort of waiting for the backlash when I say
11:48:59 Lisa Parisi : Used to be really proud to be a teacher.
11:49:17 Sheila 2 : Lack of trust.
11:49:32 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : I LOVE to tell pepople I'm
changing careers to teaching. The look
on their face is priceless.
11:49:35 PeggyG : it seems wherever you go if you say you're a teacher
you are expected to defend all teachers everywhere
11:49:44 PeggyG : I love that Scott!
11:50:07 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : especially when they figure out
im taking a 50% pay cut!
11:51:58 Maureen : It still feels like people like their own local
teachers, but mistrust all the rest.
Much like people like their own congress person, but hate the reat of
11:53:15 PeggyG : I keep losing my connection!
11:53:25 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : That is true, Maureen. That mindset is why people fight so hard to
keep their local (but failing) schools open.
11:53:44 PeggyG : Parents should be on those committees!
11:53:50 Maureen : It has a lot to so with the economy- when
people have lost so much, lost their jobs, etc and are worried about their own
future- they lash out at others who they see as having a "soft, secure
11:54:11 PeggyG : It isn't us vs them! We are all working towards
the same goals.
11:54:42 Lisa Parisi : I know Maureen but don't we deserve
something for taking care of their children all day and helping them be
11:54:52 Lisa Parisi : Not so sure of that, Peggy.
11:55:04 PeggyG : we always talk about how important it is to
build these relationships! It really is!
11:55:05 Lisa Parisi : Parent's goal...make ed cheaper.
11:55:13 Lisa Parisi : Teacher's goal ... make ed work
11:55:41 Lisa Parisi : Hello John
11:55:46 woodenmask : Good morning
11:56:39 PeggyG : parents want a good education for their children
11:57:03 Lisa Parisi : But they don't understand what it takes to
get that good education. They do think
test scores say it all.
11:57:29 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : It's hard to get that support
for elementary schools. Adults
frequently hold HS and college as fond memories, but elem grades are just
11:58:29 PeggyG : I think inviting them into the classroom can be
life changing! When we brought community leaders in as Principal for a Day
their attitudes (and support for education) were significantly changed.
11:58:38 Sheila 2 : Really Scott? I have former students coming
back to the middle school.
11:59:16 Sheila 2 : We don't have a high school so that may be the
11:59:31 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : MS is love/hate. Not much
middle ground. Much depends on school
12:00:17 PeggyG : our Middle School students always come back to
elementary events like Open House and Fairs, etc. They want to stay connected
to former teachers.
12:01:00 PeggyG : a good local reporter for education is so
powerful!! hard to find them though
12:01:14 Sheila 2 : I've had former students join the Belize
12:01:31 PeggyG : that's so neat Sheila! full circle!
12:01:44 Maureen : We're not allowed to talk to newspapers- it all
have to come from our "communications" person.
12:01:55 PeggyG : that's so true Maureen!
12:02:02 Maureen : Sorry- *has"
12:02:11 woodenmask : Oops. Crashes, explosions and the sound of
panicked crowds in the background. It was short, but sweet....
12:03:05 PeggyG : that's unfortunate though because the public
tunes out when they hear from the PR persons or official spokesperson for a
district. It would be different if they were hearing from the teachers.
12:03:11 Maureen : Funny- that'll never happen to me- independent
schools pay less than half of that :-) Choices, choices
12:03:15 Lisa Parisi : Yes, Peggy
12:03:31 mardelle : it would be different if they were hearing
12:03:39 PeggyG : salaries vary around the country--related to
cost of living in each area
12:04:51 PeggyG : that's a really good point Sheila
12:05:10 Maureen : I would like to have the kids reflections on
what it means to them when they achieve sucess to be in the newspaper- not just
the final results or awards. What does it really mean to kids
12:05:40 PeggyG : the kids get excited when they can talk about
projects they are working on
12:05:57 Sheila 2 : Great idea Maureen!
12:06:11 Sheila 2 : The process!
12:06:34 PeggyG : sadly the newspapers don't often feel that is
noteworthy--they want to report the controversies and negative stories about
12:06:41 Sheila 2 : And what learning happens when you don't get
the final product you anticipated.
12:07:39 PeggyG : sounds like you have to educate them about how
it relates to the budget :-)
12:07:45 MariaK : What about inviting business leaders and
community members into the school. Find the leaders and invite them, not
challenge them - but show them what we do.
12:07:47 PeggyG : some people are just rude
12:08:30 mardelle : - it is
social media that will move the nation - good or bad.
12:09:37 Lisa Parisi : I think social media is moving the
nation...not so good right now.
12:10:27 mardelle : you just cannot control the direction of the
message without huge numbers of a united voice
12:10:59 Sheila 2 : Are we so fast-paced now as a society that we
only see the superficial details and not thinking deeply?
12:12:04 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : Reform, like curriculum, is not
effective when it is an inch deep and a mile wide.
12:12:41 PeggyG : when you're part of a big crowd things can get
out of control and individuals may do things they wouldn't normally do. But
everyone in that "crowd" gets lumped together with that bad behavior.
Guilt by association...
12:12:51 PeggyG : I agree mardelle
12:13:11 Maureen : I guess I've stopped worrying about what
parents, etc think about what I'm doing. My 6th graders are so excited about
learning sketchup... my 5th graders are writing their own blogs about game
reviews. They come into class and ask not to have to type ( for 10 min/class)
but just to get right to work.
12:13:46 PeggyG : when kids can explain what they needed to know
to be able to create something like a Voki parents will be so impressed
12:14:07 PeggyG : great example Maureen!! love it!
12:14:18 Maureen : My goal with student portfolios is that they
eventually turn into a showcase for student process and learning- not just
pretty pictures of final results.
12:14:52 PeggyG : yes!! the process is really important!! parents
often don't know how to interpret the product
12:15:58 Maureen : But if you use a portfolio system where the
kids and teachers choose to represent their work according to standards, etc...
then they can speak to them in a way that parents can see and understand.
12:17:19 PeggyG : wow! 90 kids?!
12:17:29 Maureen : But Lisa, as a parent they are overwhelmed with
info. If this is part of a process that they kids are involved in all the time-
the parents can get involved as well... not just twice a year
12:17:33 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : Make a raffle out of parent
views/comments. Kids will beg parents to
leave comments on the blogs.
12:17:48 Maureen : @ Peggy- I have 134 ;-)
12:17:59 mardelle : the challange is not just promoting what a
teacher is doing in a classroom. it is
building support for our profession nationally
12:18:08 MariaK : I seem to be the only teacher here, which is
reasonable since it-s a school day. One small advantage of retirement, I guess. That
is, until they diminish my pension and I-m forced to return to
work. If I could find a job. The ripple effects of these budget cuts will
definitely cause a considerable rise in unemployment. I think about the
teachers I know who are probably as outraged as I am by this anti-teacher,
anti-kids, anti-public schools budget and wish they could be here, too. I hold
this small square of floor-space in their honor
12:18:57 Sheila 2 : I do give extra credit for parent feedback.
Wish all would do it.
12:19:13 PeggyG : great statement Maria!
12:19:39 mardelle : me too maria - and kinder teachers both - the
best place to promote to parents
12:19:59 PeggyG : someone recently asked why there aren't more teachers
in some of the fantastic, free, online webinars and I said they were in their
12:20:19 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : Not all households around here
have internet/computer. Has anyone used
bulk text messages to keep parents informed?
12:20:20 PeggyG : the ISTE webinars are all during the school
day--1:00pm in AZ
12:21:09 Lisa Parisi : ISTE webinars are too expensive for me to
12:21:26 PeggyG : ISTE offers some free webinars--one a month I
12:21:41 Lisa Parisi : I think all should be free.
12:22:07 PeggyG : I wish they were all free! But they are income
generators for ISTE
12:22:39 PeggyG : wear a button "Proud to be a Teacher"
12:23:26 mardelle : i am from canada, and your media scares the
bjezuz out of me - it is a powerful destructive force to go up against, but therein lies the battle
12:23:29 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : deep breath....
12:23:49 Maureen : @Scott I don't use text messages, but beluga
would be a great app for that-group messages and easy to add photos.
12:24:16 MariaK : @mardelle - it is scary - the money trail and
the media must have some connection
12:24:34 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : Maybe even text out a message
every time there is a new blog post, etc.
12:25:08 mardelle : @scott - texting, why did i not think of that . . . thanks
12:25:26 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : :D glad to help
12:25:50 Maureen : @Scott It's a good idea- we have parents sign
up for email message when blogs are posted, but text option may be easier for
some. I'll put the idea out to our parents.
12:25:56 PeggyG : it's important not to be defensive when you
speak up :-) focus on what you're doing that's working with examples
12:26:11 Lisa Parisi : I have a hard time not being defensive,
12:26:36 PeggyG : it is hard!
12:27:14 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : if it walks like a duck and
quacks like a duck.....
12:27:44 PeggyG : generalizing is a big issue!
12:28:52 PeggyG : people often say different things in person than
they say in public forums--even teachers in the parking lot after the teacher's
12:29:07 Maureen : The negative stuff makes the news- think the
rubber room teachers in NYC- that certainly made headlines. Great teaching
doesn't. It is not really different from all the other negative stuff that
"we" all read every day. One negative story can go viral, one
positive story- not so much.
12:29:08 Sheila 2 : True Peggy!
12:29:23 Lisa Parisi : True, Maureen.
12:29:25 PeggyG : yes Maureen!
12:30:01 PeggyG : schools have to tell their own positive stories
in their own forums--they can't rely on the public media to do it
12:30:14 Lisa Parisi : Who do we tell, Peggy?
12:30:26 Maureen : We use our facebook page mostly for alum stuff-
you could do that Sheila
12:30:33 PeggyG : just like you do--post it in your blogs and online
12:31:14 Sheila 2 : (I don't really use facebook. Should I admit
12:31:21 Sheila 2 : But food for thougth.
12:31:23 PeggyG : do your own public spots/videos on your local tv
channels--we have an educational channel in Phoenix
12:31:27 Sheila 2 : (thought)
12:31:48 Maureen : @Sheila- neither do i- but that's where the
alum stuff is for our school
12:32:09 PeggyG : oh oh--a homework assignment :-)
12:32:10 Sheila 2 : @Maureen - yes, I'm thinking about it! :)
12:32:26 Sheila 2 : http://earthbridges.net/live - April 22
12:32:41 MariaK : @dianeravitch
12:32:45 Sheila 2 : Earth Day Plug ! There's a voicethread.
12:32:51 PeggyG : she has 12,000 followers :-)
12:32:57 Sheila 2 : Link coming.
12:33:11 Sheila : http://voicethread.com/#u76291.b1954278.i10306656
12:33:12 MariaK :
12:33:38 Maureen : Are you off next week or?
12:34:02 PeggyG : nice voicethread Sheila! Thanks!
12:34:10 Maureen : Do you have school on Good Friday?
12:34:30 PeggyG : so many schools are on vacation or holiday on
12:34:44 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : We are off that day
12:35:03 PeggyG : you are an amazing example Sheila!!!
12:35:11 Maureen : We have a 3 day week coming up- Patriot's Day
on Monday- Good Friday on Friday...
12:35:29 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) : My 'real job' gives me the day
12:35:37 PeggyG : :-)
12:35:48 Maureen : good luck with that Maria- I've noticed that
the GP are getting younger than me every year
12:37:17 PeggyG : Grandpersons Day was always a really special day
at our school!!
12:37:56 PeggyG : we planned them to coincide with Thanksgiving
when many grandparents were coming to visit family and got fantastic
12:38:00 Maureen : My kids had their GP go on Google earth and
show them where they used to live and talk about how things have changed. It
12:38:09 PeggyG : what a great story Maria!!
12:38:22 Maureen : @Peggy- ours is Columbus Day weekend
12:38:50 Lisa Parisi : http://ettconversations.blogspot.com/
12:39:00 PeggyG : thanks everyone for another great conversation!
12:39:15 Lisa Parisi : Bye
12:39:18 PeggyG : bye everyone