Women of Web 2.0 Show not 44, but #45
Join the women as we speak with Ewan McIntosh and David Jakes. The chat that follows in increbile, there were over 60 people in the chat. Thanks for joining us and keep coming back!
Chat from October 9, 2007
20:32:19 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: OH WHAT A NIGHT
20:33:57 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: getting ready brb
20:34:30 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Me too... BRB!
20:34:35 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: Cathy nelson is here
20:34:47 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i hope we fill this rom 2nite
20:36:34 barbara -> EdTechTalk: eatin dinner ..will come chat in a few
20:38:00 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: I iz bak...
20:38:16 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: What is the room capacity?
20:43:14 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: I love that a kid is teaching Will Rich how to do audio recording on UStream
20:43:22 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: sweet
20:43:48 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Hello all
20:44:20 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Wow! This has been a really busy evening - Warlick and richardson and now WOW2. Tough to find time for dinner :-)
20:45:09 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Yes! The Fireside Chat was amazing! I missed Richardson. Did any of you even get to grab a bite to eat?
20:45:23 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: I'm snacking now
20:45:48 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: I have not eaten yet
20:45:52 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Did you change the start time of WOW2? I missed it last week because I thought it started at 21:00.
20:46:18 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Nope -- it hasn't started yet
20:46:21 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: we start in 14 minutes
20:46:31 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Hmmm I am really bad at GMT times
20:46:32 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I could share a few gummy bears with you Jen. :-)
20:46:34 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I have some questions about the idea of how different schools are going to be. In some fundamental ways I don't think they can change their essential structure
20:46:36 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: I'm on Eastern time...quickly had a Lean Cuisine :)
20:46:49 audrey -> EdTechTalk: at least not at the middle and lower levels
20:47:47 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I always have trouble with the time too because AZ doesn't use daylight savings time. It is 5:45pm now. I think 21:00 is 9:00pm Phoenix time. It says 21:00 on the EdTechTalk site.
20:47:51 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: You guys will break some attendance record tonight!
20:48:15 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: This has been advertised :)
20:48:25 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: @Jennifer: If you've got an iPod, you can set the clock to show different timezones... really handy!
20:48:30 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I'm sure glad you podcast everything in case I miss the live show!
20:48:33 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: @Audrey, I'd be OK to stay with the existing structure if we could just change what we do within that structure.
20:49:07 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Hi y'all.
20:49:17 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Hi Vicki
20:49:22 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: NWinton -- I need you to show me how to use my iPOD better
20:49:31 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: 37 songs -- 2 podcasts :)
20:49:50 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: No worries! Nip round anytime... LOL ;)
20:50:13 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Hey everyone!
20:50:17 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Hi David and Vicki
20:50:27 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Been quite an evening, huh?
20:50:33 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Unbelievable
20:50:38 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: not sure what to blog first
20:50:59 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Evening... try early morning (ie:1:50am)
20:51:02 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: hurriedly washing supper dishes so ic an sit to liten
20:51:09 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Hi David
20:51:21 djakes -> EdTechTalk: hello Diane
20:51:21 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: getting ready for the stream
20:51:31 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Cathy Nelson I am impressed you can wash dishes and type!
20:51:37 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Hi Kern, glad you are here
20:51:56 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: https://womenofweb2.wikispaces.com/20071009
20:51:56 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: b/w slashes'rubber gloves and all
20:51:59 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Hey Cheryl, finally got on :)
20:52:08 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: oops wrong link
20:52:09 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: LOL
20:52:40 Kern -> EdTechTalk: trying to watch Will and follow chat - too much multitasking!
20:53:11 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: sound check Durff
20:53:22 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: we are live, here in 20 seconds
20:53:28 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Sometimes I think I must be LD; i can't seem to get the audio stream right off the bat. Where is it?
20:53:29 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: color check nelson
20:53:32 barbara -> EdTechTalk: Hi through w/dinner ready to listen
20:53:51 audrey -> EdTechTalk: will the audio just come up? or do I click one of the edTechTalk links?
20:54:13 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: you need to click on one of the icons for sound even though it says not streaming, we are straming
20:54:19 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Sexy Scottish Accent.com !
20:54:28 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I still laugh every time I hear the lip gloss reference!
20:54:32 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Hi Joselyn
20:54:33 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: We have SEAN CONNERY tonight -- :)
20:54:37 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: and david jakes LOL
20:54:48 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: CHOOSE YOUR COLOR
20:54:51 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Hey Cheryl...finally landed myself here!
20:54:53 Durff -> EdTechTalk: sean?
20:54:55 barara -> EdTechTalk: I can't find the saudio what am I doing wrong
20:54:58 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: bottom left option
20:55:05 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: yeah for all you newcomers!
20:55:11 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Hi cpeppler
20:55:17 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Can the participants see the messaging?
20:55:21 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Hearing steam fine through iTunes
20:55:21 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Wave your hand if you brought a guest -- !!!! to raise your hand
20:55:26 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: remember we have a door prize tonight
20:55:30 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: thanks for the sound check
20:55:39 barara -> EdTechTalk: @ JL I'm blind cant'e find it
20:55:54 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: woot
20:56:00 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: color option -- bottom toolbar -- to the left
20:56:01 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I'm drinking my coffee right now in my WOW2 mug I won at NECC. :-)
20:56:05 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: looks like a color palette
20:56:10 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Hi guys -- my color isn't working.
20:56:10 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: PEggy -- WONDERFUL
20:56:15 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I can't seem to access the stream... none of the links work..
20:56:34 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Welcome in SNBeach
20:56:41 Durff -> EdTechTalk: my color doesn't appear to me in firefox
20:56:46 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Hello Sheryl, great elluminate!
20:56:52 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Please say Hi to Ewan from me!
20:56:54 snbeach -> EdTechTalk: which one do I go to to listen?
20:57:03 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: yep
20:57:15 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i predict many will come
20:57:15 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: EWAN says HELLO ROOM
20:57:16 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Ewan says hi to everyone Java is blocked at the school where he is.
20:57:16 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Everyone: Ewan says hello!
20:57:19 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: where is the 14yo
20:57:25 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: 14yo?
20:57:27 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: art?? not here yet
20:57:36 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Welcome ROOM
20:57:37 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Hi BrianG
20:57:39 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Ewan... Hi from Scotland!
20:57:42 barara -> EdTechTalk: where is the audio
20:57:42 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: we are SOO glad you are here!!!
20:57:45 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: hi cheryl
20:57:46 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: there was a 14 yo in fschat and will's ustream
20:57:48 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: N -- what is your first name
20:57:49 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I can't get the audio
20:57:50 Durff -> EdTechTalk: oh be real - it's forever
20:57:51 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: what a great night
20:57:56 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: ARthus is the young man
20:57:56 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Neil
20:58:09 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: audrey look just below the chat window and click on those audio links
20:58:10 Durff -> EdTechTalk: with that accent? never
20:58:10 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Do you see the listen button? audrey.
20:58:12 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Neil he said you were FANTASTIC
20:58:15 snbeach -> EdTechTalk: How do I listen?
20:58:15 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Sheryl, you did such a great job tonight!!!
20:58:20 snbeach -> EdTechTalk: thanks
20:58:24 Durff -> EdTechTalk: listen page
20:58:25 audrey -> EdTechTalk: to which room?
20:58:30 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: audio buttons belwo the chat
20:58:31 djakes -> EdTechTalk: use the realplayer tool
20:58:34 barara -> EdTechTalk: yes but all the links say not streaming
20:58:34 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Who said I was fantastic!
20:58:36 Durff -> EdTechTalk: i open another page in a tab
20:58:36 Kern -> EdTechTalk: click on the listen links below
20:58:42 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Hi Sheryl - you listen by clicking at the bottom -- do you see where we are streaming?
20:58:43 Durff -> EdTechTalk: ignore them
20:58:47 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: There's a timelag...
20:58:52 Durff -> EdTechTalk: click on an icon
20:58:54 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Ewan said you were fantastic Neil.
20:58:58 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: Hi everyone
20:58:59 srosemn -> EdTechTalk: are you on ustream
20:59:03 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: You can EXPAND Your chat by clicking on the 3rd button on the right
20:59:06 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: 'rubbing hands together in glee
20:59:09 audrey -> EdTechTalk: okay now I feel stupid
20:59:16 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: hi Ewan...loking forward to hearing what you have to say tonight
20:59:22 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: Hi neil- I am vejraska from last night
20:59:26 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: No feeling stupid, only enlightened answers
20:59:50 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://jakespeak.blogspot.com/ David's Blog
20:59:54 audrey -> EdTechTalk: sigh.. okay.. I'll face the fear... worldbridges,edtechtalka or b... sandbox a or b?
20:59:57 Durff -> EdTechTalk: streaming on ETTA no matter what it says
20:59:57 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Hi Vejraska... we meet again!
20:59:58 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Hi SharonBetts! welcome
20:59:59 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Hey Sharon!
21:00:08 srosemn -> EdTechTalk: Spent 2 weeks in New Zealand..loved it
21:00:11 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi iscott
21:00:11 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://edu.blogs.com/ -- Ewan's Blog
21:00:14 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Hi Sahron
21:00:15 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I believe we're on A.
21:00:21 Durff -> EdTechTalk: i sense a trend
21:00:21 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Hi Sharon B
21:00:22 Kern -> EdTechTalk: teaching in New Zealand was a blast!
21:00:24 audrey -> EdTechTalk: a what?
21:00:26 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: hi all - long time gone. twittering and was reminded of this
21:00:29 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: what a night -- thanks for being with us!!!
21:00:35 audrey -> EdTechTalk: which A?
21:00:38 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Hey Sharon glad you made it.
21:00:40 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: EdTechTalk A
21:00:40 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: Hey, so flattered that Sharon Betts is with us!
21:00:41 Durff -> EdTechTalk: ETT A
21:00:43 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Of course - New Zealand is the best country :-)
21:00:43 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: Edtech Talk A
21:00:44 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: Hi all just left will's ustream and warlick live chat what a night
21:00:45 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: screencastamatic
21:00:46 audrey -> EdTechTalk: thanks
21:00:50 Durff -> EdTechTalk: jen turn up
21:00:51 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Cheryl's WOW
21:00:52 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: very low sound
21:00:53 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: can't hear Cheryl
21:00:58 Durff -> EdTechTalk: jen raise volume
21:01:03 Durff -> EdTechTalk: louder
21:01:05 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: haven't got a stream though - help
21:01:06 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Lisa -- I don't control that
21:01:10 barara -> EdTechTalk: is anyone else having trouble getting into the audio
21:01:11 Durff -> EdTechTalk: better
21:01:13 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: ett a
21:01:22 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: better??
21:01:25 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: not hearing any audio
21:01:26 Durff -> EdTechTalk: sorry so soft i mistook
21:01:26 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: yep
21:01:31 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @sharon click on the Listen Links below - depending on what player
21:01:31 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: a little
21:01:34 Durff -> EdTechTalk: but better now
21:01:40 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I'm getting the audio fine through iTunes but it is a bit soft.
21:01:41 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: getting better
21:01:44 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: better
21:01:52 Durff -> EdTechTalk: much better now cheryl
21:01:55 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: iTunes is working fine...
21:02:04 Durff -> EdTechTalk: Ett a works
21:02:07 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: audrey i have to click ett a then pres play in iyns
21:02:09 Durff -> EdTechTalk: itr lies
21:02:13 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: ah here it comes - kinda quiet, but I've got it
21:02:26 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: thanks Durff i can count on you!
21:02:34 audrey -> EdTechTalk: thanks Kathy
21:02:37 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://www.mixbook.com/
21:02:41 audrey -> EdTechTalk: thanks Cathy :)
21:02:46 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: WOOT JEN!
21:02:47 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: lol
21:02:49 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: wow of week www.screencast-o-matic.com
21:02:56 Durff -> EdTechTalk: how many in chatroom now?
21:02:58 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: glad u could figure out that script
21:03:05 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: screencast is for all platforms
21:03:07 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: love screencast-o-matic used it for all the k12online videos
21:03:10 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: All the audio says it isn't streaming
21:03:16 Kern -> EdTechTalk: 28 in chat
21:03:17 Durff -> EdTechTalk: it is
21:03:19 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Am I missing something?
21:03:20 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: says not streaming, but t is
21:03:20 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: @suzie but it is
21:03:25 Durff -> EdTechTalk: ETT A for sound
21:03:33 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: you must be logged in to see the stream just click on an icon
21:03:33 Durff -> EdTechTalk: no matter what it says
21:03:36 Durff -> EdTechTalk: it lies
21:03:47 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: thanks durff, the page lies
21:03:48 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Hi Suzie, just click on the streaming icon anyway... it will work!
21:03:52 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: mac rules
21:03:55 Durff -> EdTechTalk: i like my explanation better
21:03:56 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: so many tools so little time
21:03:58 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: meow
21:03:59 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Built in to iPhoto
21:03:59 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: hi cathyn
21:04:03 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://www.mixbook.com/
21:04:08 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: hi cherl oakes
21:04:15 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Last time I tried that it took me out of the chat
21:04:28 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Suzie -- best thing -- HAVE TWO windows OPEN
21:04:31 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Love Camtasia..use it all the time
21:04:35 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: Suzie open a new windowand try
21:04:39 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: love camtasia think new version coming out this week
21:04:40 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: Sharon you ready?
21:04:52 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Hi Vance
21:04:58 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: camtasia is a great tool
21:05:02 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Expensive though...can use Windows Media Encoder which is free with OS
21:05:02 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: hi cheryl
21:05:12 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Vicki I tried it and I have gotten as far as iTunes should sync up tonight
21:05:20 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: It is worth it.
21:05:23 Kern -> EdTechTalk: One of my students has an iPhone, is bringing it to ACTEM conference
21:05:24 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: http://theultimatesteal.com/home.asp
21:05:25 audrey -> EdTechTalk: this isn't streaming video right.. just audio
21:05:27 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: ha - cell phones dont' work in middle Maine - i envy you city folks.
21:05:29 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: http://plasq.com/skitch
21:05:31 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: No vid tonight.
21:05:37 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I don't have on makeup so I didn't want to do ustream.
21:05:38 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: ;-)
21:05:40 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: hello iscott!!!
21:05:50 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: http://www.4info.net/
21:05:51 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: its raining too
21:05:53 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: I love skitch!
21:05:55 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Texting.
21:05:56 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: happy Thxgvng
21:05:58 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: grins -- no ustream requests for WOW2 for a few more months!!
21:06:03 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: sigh
21:06:14 khokanson -> EdTechTalk: I LOVE SKITCH
21:06:16 iscottanderson -> EdTechTalk: hi all struggling to get audio to work
21:06:17 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: you need an invite
21:06:18 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Skitch is the funnest software going...
21:06:21 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Hi susan, jealous you ahd snow
21:06:23 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Camtasia actually has a 30 day free trial that is FULLY FUNCTIONAL -- http://www.techsmith.com/
21:06:28 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: So if it keeps crashing try it.
21:06:28 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: iscott -- can you opwn another window??
21:06:30 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Ewan had a lot of invites for Skitch...
21:06:35 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: and I will walk you through it
21:06:39 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: just a few flakes, Cheryl
21:06:44 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: iscott--launch ett A in different winodw--it will open itunes--press play button
21:06:44 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: Sharon keeps me in sKitches!
21:06:48 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: supposed to go canoeing on Thursday
21:06:49 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: SNOW ?? somwone has SNOW???
21:06:51 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: busy but fun night
21:06:53 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: Hey, Cathy N...thanks for the heads-up to this!
21:06:57 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Oh I'm so excited about the folks on tonight.
21:06:57 iscottanderson -> EdTechTalk: Yes
21:06:59 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: welcome
21:07:00 Durff -> EdTechTalk: sound on ETT A
21:07:03 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: SNOW????
21:07:08 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: see i told yall i preached
21:07:15 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: sue roseman had snow in canada
21:07:16 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Is there a Skype brifge for the Wow2 show?
21:07:16 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: cold today, Jen
21:07:17 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: snow - where? there is way too much going on
21:07:19 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Did anyone else LOVE the illustration of the kids inventing a way to fight in zero gravity from DAvid Warlick's k12 online keynote.
21:07:22 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: This is Canada
21:07:24 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Camtasia folks have a new, free beta...Jing
21:07:28 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Hi Neil -- nope -- sorry
21:07:30 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: yeah, jen, it snows sometimes outside of CA:)
21:07:32 iscottanderson -> EdTechTalk: My satellite might not being liking it
21:07:32 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: yes - David's keynote was great
21:07:35 khokanson -> EdTechTalk: and I have invites if anyone needs
21:07:39 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: jing is awesome use it almost everyday
21:07:42 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Got it :-)
21:07:44 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: We have a couple teachers who do Ender's Game
21:07:51 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: OK, Steve Dembo just tweeted the question...
21:07:57 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: hope I can use that to make a connection
21:08:04 Durff -> EdTechTalk: sound on ETT A
21:08:05 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But does jing let you pull it out?
21:08:06 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: we used to use SKYPECAST -- but had some big issues
21:08:09 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: hi wes
21:08:12 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Hi wes, hi maria
21:08:23 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Jing is great - -it is the same codec as Camtasia.
21:08:24 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: welcome to all who hve been wired this late day
21:08:24 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: used skypecast with no issues
21:08:25 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Wes is in and out :)
21:08:26 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Hi wes
21:08:27 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Met the Camtasia gs at the Podcasting and New Media Expo..looks great for classroom use...screencasting
21:08:29 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: Hello everyone
21:08:32 Marie -> EdTechTalk: Hi all
21:08:32 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: like Jing also
21:08:34 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Hello Robin!!!
21:08:37 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: hey, robin!
21:08:37 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Hi Marie
21:08:39 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: Hi Jen
21:08:42 khokanson -> EdTechTalk: WEIRDNESS IN THE CHAT ROOM FOR ME....I Keep getting notices that others are posting so I cant as it is notifying me ANYONE ELSE?
21:08:49 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I wish I had enough money to put it on all of the student computers.
21:08:55 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: not me Kristen
21:09:02 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Kristen -- why don't you log in and out
21:09:06 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: and she does :)
21:09:09 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Hmm Kristin -- I don't know.
21:09:13 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: She went through the vortex.
21:09:21 Durff -> EdTechTalk: she is having problems jen
21:09:22 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: black hole
21:09:38 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Vicki- have you tried Jing? Very nice..but Camtasia rocks.
21:09:49 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Does someone have a Skype chat going too?
21:09:52 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: Ewan is also tweeting at the moment!
21:09:54 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I've pulled some movie out of Jing.
21:09:58 Durff -> EdTechTalk: jing only allows 5 mins free
21:09:58 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Kern -- only the WOW2 and guests --
21:10:01 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: david my son is at Depaul up there
21:10:05 kristinh -> EdTechTalk: AAAH the chat is KILLING ME
21:10:06 Kern -> EdTechTalk: gotcha ;)
21:10:07 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: if we bring in TOO many -- it crashes!!
21:10:20 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Kristin -- how can we help!!
21:10:21 Durff -> EdTechTalk: really? what fun
21:10:24 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: jing is for those little questions that needs quick answers, camtasia mmore for productions for longevitity
21:10:24 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: maybe Kristen was the straw for the chat camel
21:10:27 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Jing does has a 5 min max but perfect for assessment
21:10:41 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: formative or summative
21:10:42 Kern -> EdTechTalk: can you add audio after in Jing?
21:10:46 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: hi wes
21:10:50 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: @Kern: No, Steve Dembo was wanting to know.
21:10:54 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: howdy!
21:10:59 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: @ Kern I think no
21:11:02 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Wes Fryer is in the building!!
21:11:02 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: hey wes
21:11:04 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: Hi all!
21:11:04 KimVance -> EdTechTalk: You can add audio while recording Jing
21:11:10 kristinh -> EdTechTalk: i keep gettng a pop upnoctice x# of new mssgs posted
21:11:10 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: it must be early for Ewan!
21:11:13 Thespian70 -> EdTechTalk: good evening all
21:11:19 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But can you pull it out and edit it in something else.
21:11:21 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: howdy jen
21:11:26 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Wes -- he's in New Zealand right now.
21:11:27 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: It is 2:10pm here in New Zealand
21:11:30 kristinh -> EdTechTalk: when it pops up I can't type
21:11:33 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: So not so early for Ewan
21:11:34 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But he has jet lag.
21:11:36 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I wish I was in NZ
21:11:39 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Really - kristin -- that is odd.
21:11:41 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: Suzie i am impressed u are here
21:11:50 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I do too -- I'm dying to go to New Zealand and Australia.
21:11:54 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: It's 2:10AM here in Scotland!
21:11:55 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i alos think of the guys as role models
21:11:55 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: HIs Suzie love your blog
21:12:01 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: some people are offended by the term "teacher training" should we get bent out of shape by that term?
21:12:06 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: I should be doing other work :-) This is more fun
21:12:06 Durff -> EdTechTalk: take me too Vicki
21:12:13 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: If one uses Win Media Encoder it is rogh but includes screen capture + audio.
21:12:15 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: what other term is better
21:12:15 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i agree
21:12:19 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: ohhhh -- Wes starts a back chat!!!
21:12:19 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Thanks for the blog comment :)
21:12:24 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Oh that is so so true -- don't tell people what to do if you've never done it yourself.
21:12:25 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Wow!
21:12:31 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: ha
21:12:32 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: where?
21:12:42 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: no i do use that term a lot, but i wonder if i should
21:12:54 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: I so agree. I also do it first myself before modeling for my teachers
21:13:00 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: we use teacher mentor or model a lot
21:13:08 Thespian70 -> EdTechTalk: What is used if not "teacher training"?
21:13:11 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Or you know all the pitfalls!
21:13:17 audrey -> EdTechTalk: @Wes absolutely not... everyone gets training.. doctors get training... anyone gets training.. in my view anyone who's offended by that is offended by having to get any training... not the term
21:13:24 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Is anyone else having trouble with the chat - Kristen is.
21:13:31 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi cheri
21:13:32 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: hi drctedd
21:13:33 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: fine here -
21:13:34 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: teacher professional development / teacher professional learning i guess
21:13:35 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: I'm fine now
21:13:35 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: Iam not Vicki
21:13:37 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: FORTY ONE IN CHAT!!!
21:13:37 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: But trying in front of teachers shows them that you don't need to know it all
21:13:38 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: fine here
21:13:40 Thespian70 -> EdTechTalk: no trouble here w/ chat
21:13:44 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: i personally don't have a problem with the "training" term
21:13:44 Simon -> EdTechTalk: seems fine to me Vicki
21:13:50 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I like professional learning - my ning is called newlearning
21:13:53 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Teacher training...maybe teacher pro dev....and do not hold it after school!
21:13:55 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: my chat wants to scroll for no known reason
21:13:57 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: Hi Cathy - packing for Atlanta, going tomorrow
21:14:02 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: this gives me encouragement as a classroom teacher who is doing a bunch of PD
21:14:04 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: im chasing it every now and again
21:14:07 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: I like re-tooling
21:14:09 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I think that there is a lot of professional development or training whichever that has been pretty lightweight trashy stuff and it makes it heard for anyone who is actually providing content
21:14:10 Marie -> EdTechTalk: I like learning better than training - more transformative
21:14:14 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: @linda N even with all my prep there are always learning opportunites where I model using help during "trainings"
21:14:16 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: re-tooling, yes nice
21:14:17 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: Training sounds like you are training them like dogs
21:14:19 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: my computer is on PD overload 2nite
21:14:21 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I'm not really up for being told to "change my behavior" though
21:14:27 Durff -> EdTechTalk: meow! hi mac!!
21:14:33 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: meow
21:14:38 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @linda right, that is why i think some object to the term
21:14:39 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: shh
21:14:42 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: mine too - to say nothing of my mind
21:14:55 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi nick
21:15:01 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Bottom line- teachers have to realize that they above all others must be excellent learners.
21:15:02 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: changing teacher behavior really is a key idea, that David just mentioned
21:15:04 Marie -> EdTechTalk: change is key, but sometimes very incremental
21:15:05 nick -> EdTechTalk: hi!
21:15:15 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: we also call our year long courses - Cadres of Learners
21:15:15 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: glad to hear an evaluation piece...soooo important
21:15:18 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: incremental, I agree!
21:15:19 audrey -> EdTechTalk: that language would offend me... even if there's good stuff coming.. it's a bit offensive for someone to think that coming to prof dev is about changing people as opposed to augmenting good teachers.. (I mean bad teacher are like bad prof dev providers.. they just give good teachers a bad rap)
21:15:20 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: playground?
21:15:26 Durff -> EdTechTalk: sound on ETT A no matter what it says
21:15:30 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Incremental Maria and moving forward
21:15:31 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: PLE
21:15:32 NWinton -> EdTechTalk: It took me a long time to go from being a teacher to become a learner... http://tinyurl.com/2pd6c7
21:15:40 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: pavlov
21:15:50 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: needs to be self motivated learner
21:15:52 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: I agree that training has those connotations
21:15:56 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: unbelievable at how ONE word can make such a difference -- I will never use the word TRAINING again
21:15:57 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi kaitlin
21:15:57 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: me too
21:15:58 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Yes, there is sound onA.
21:16:00 Marie -> EdTechTalk: yes forward moving, but recognize the need for baby steps for some
21:16:07 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: david: do you use different methods in PD for early/late majority teachers vs early adopters?
21:16:14 Thespian70 -> EdTechTalk: I get it on training
21:16:15 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: it took me a long time to go from being a student to being a learner- all of my formal education to be sure!
21:16:17 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: words do matter - kinda sad as it is the results that are important
21:16:33 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I really became a learner when I started teaching
21:16:35 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi alex
21:16:35 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: all our formal education schools learning right out of us
21:16:41 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: we need to embrace change and new ideas and find the purpose
21:16:44 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Cool -- it shouldn't be revolutionary -- it should be evolutionary.
21:16:48 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Training has a connotation of the teacher-centric learning pedogogy
21:16:50 alexr -> EdTechTalk: Wow - WOW -- Everyone is out tonight.
21:16:50 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: this is a deep chat tonight
21:16:52 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: we become schoolies, not learners
21:16:53 audrey -> EdTechTalk: hmmm.... it took me a long time from being a learner to being a self learner... I wanted spoon feeding... still do actually..
21:16:56 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Yes it is!
21:17:02 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: change is hard no matter the context
21:17:04 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: I would hazard an estimate that more than 50% of teachers do NOT want to change in any significant way
21:17:10 Durff -> EdTechTalk: go ewan
21:17:13 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: they need to retire
21:17:18 jgarton -> EdTechTalk: @audry yes this what I think my teachers expect
21:17:21 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: Sadly, I'd have to agree with Wes...
21:17:22 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I used to think 50%, but am getting more optimistic
21:17:24 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @cherylt i like that term "schoolies"
21:17:25 nick -> EdTechTalk: to change behavior ... you need to change conceptions of teaching aand learning unerlying it
21:17:27 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: We teach the way we learned which is why I have often thought it is so hard for so many of us...we learned in a teacher-centric classroom
21:17:30 Durff -> EdTechTalk: amen ewan!
21:17:31 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: so tired of those rows in the class
21:17:34 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: I agree with Wes too
21:17:35 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: i agree Wes...
21:17:35 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: speaks volumes
21:17:36 Thespian70 -> EdTechTalk: amen...retire if you don't want ot keep up
21:17:39 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi lucie
21:17:42 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: I AGREE EWAN..but it is VERY uncomforatable for folks used to be ithe "experts" in content is WAY outsidee their comfort zone
21:17:43 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I dont think training has bad connotation.. if you call it prof dev but you mean you're not doign it right let me show you.. I'll still get what you are actually saying
21:17:48 Marie -> EdTechTalk: I use to do well in the traditional classroom, but having experienced "real" learning, I'll give up the spoon feeding any day!
21:17:48 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: many teachers don't yet see the NEED to change
21:17:49 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Risk..humm...fear
21:17:50 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: yes joselyn-- so NEW experiences for teachers are essential to get new teaching practicees
21:17:58 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: the teachers no longer have to be the experts
21:18:03 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi barb
21:18:08 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: "what worked for me should work for them"
21:18:10 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: that's what we turn our students into - they lose the ability to think for themselves and want just to jump through our hoops
21:18:11 Durff -> EdTechTalk: oops
21:18:12 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: Sometimes the tool comes in to extend what you are doing. Enhance, not replicate.
21:18:14 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @cpeppler: RIGHT. recognizing the need to change has to come first
21:18:14 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: alien speak
21:18:15 Marie -> EdTechTalk: I do think that we need to start recognizing and tapping 'informal' learning
21:18:17 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: I don't think so vicki...
21:18:17 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: yes but even though mnay would not adapt to change does not mean we should stop PD
21:18:19 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi mumma
21:18:23 susanvg -> EdTechTalk: I wish teachers saw it that way - I just had a talk with some teachers who felt threatened by any thought of change.
21:18:28 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: part of the learning process...learning the vocab
21:18:30 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: right on vance, keep moving
21:18:33 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi neil
21:18:34 audrey -> EdTechTalk: No one is retiring before time.. so how to keep teachers fresh is the point not retire before full benefits because you've been used up...
21:18:35 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: Ewan it is GREAT to hear your voice. It's been a long time!
21:18:36 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: hmmm, someone should do a baby steps to web 2.0 workshop
21:18:49 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: threatened not by the tech, but by the turning over of control...
21:18:53 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: @cmatzat:)
21:18:58 Durff -> EdTechTalk: tansmom - do a presentation
21:19:02 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: A critical part of change acceptance has to do with personal ownership
21:19:02 cmatzat -> EdTechTalk: @tansmom - I think we are doing that, my firend :)
21:19:05 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: many of my most motivated teachers are the "older" ones :D
21:19:09 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: You are right Ewan
21:19:10 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Such a great point there -- wow! This is going to be a must listen podcast I think -- so great.
21:19:10 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: Back again... managed to log out by accident!
21:19:10 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: i just figured out how to maximize the chat window. ah....
21:19:10 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: HI Chris Betcher - I gave you an honourary mention earlier!
21:19:12 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: Many teachers think change is being done to them
21:19:18 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: call it a scroll!
21:19:18 alexr -> EdTechTalk: Does IBM Look for different words for their blogs?
21:19:20 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: By the way-- Mac says HELLO
21:19:22 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: that you fold!
21:19:23 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: LOL just seeing if you are paying attention
21:19:24 audrey -> EdTechTalk: or maybe not threatened at all... maybe just very tired and having a hard time adding something in
21:19:28 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: It's an obstacle that must be overcome all over...because all belive they know because they once sat in a desk, in a row, and listened, and took notes, and memorized words...
21:19:29 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I just had some teachers "beat me up" at training about this very thing today.
21:19:33 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: meow to MACS
21:19:37 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Why do I make it sound so hard?
21:19:38 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: mewo
21:19:44 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But it is just new terminology that they have to learn.
21:19:46 Marie -> EdTechTalk: I offer Power Hours (one hour every two weeks) of web 2.0 tools - done after school and amazed at the folks who show up
21:19:50 cmatzat -> EdTechTalk: of course I am
21:19:54 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I know a lot of lazy teachers who are in it just to slide along and do nothing... those people aren't going to be changed by anything anyone else says...until they themselves are excited by something
21:19:54 lucie -> EdTechTalk: which thing Vicki
21:19:59 Marie -> EdTechTalk: they come voluntarily
21:20:03 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: @marie: I'll be doing the same
21:20:04 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: my tchrs do not like after school anything
21:20:09 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: FIFTY IN THE CHAT ROOM
21:20:13 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: YES---DAVID and HOW IS IT DIFFERINT from what they are currently doing and WHY it extends learning for kids
21:20:16 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: my teachers want a reason to come
21:20:16 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: they want me to work with class so they can watch from side
21:20:22 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: other than their own learning
21:20:23 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: All our professional learning is now year long - lots of forums, blogs and some F2F
21:20:27 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: Proportionally, I suspect that blogging teachers are the 'Macs' of the education world...
21:20:36 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: teach by example
21:20:38 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: @robinellis: Offer food.
21:20:40 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: How many of you have goal setting as a critical part of teacher evaulation?
21:20:41 Lori a -> EdTechTalk: my teachers will only do after school if there is a stipend
21:20:43 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: I do
21:20:43 lucie -> EdTechTalk: chocolate
21:20:44 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Like it Ewan...Litmus test for teachers coming to undergrad...What is your learning philosophy..not teaching philosophy...
21:20:46 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: then they want to do what they see you doing
21:20:47 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: sharon, good idea year long
21:20:48 Marie -> EdTechTalk: I'll work with them in the classroom, too - but encourage they come to sessions first... and most do!
21:20:48 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: What - I am not so sure about the "Macs" comment, ha
21:20:50 djakes -> EdTechTalk: professional development resources on Jakesonline.org
21:20:51 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: yes neil, i think blogging teachers are all early adapters/innovators
21:20:52 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: more like time or money
21:20:57 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: SC does called GBE goals Based eval
21:21:00 djakes -> EdTechTalk: look for Wow link
21:21:06 emapey -> EdTechTalk: I have to leave. Good bye
21:21:09 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: if blogging teachers are macs then they must all look REALLY COOL [grin]
21:21:09 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Macs is JenW's cat, Sharon
21:21:11 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: david has GREAT resources on his site!!!!!
21:21:11 nick -> EdTechTalk: Ewan, your comments while I agree in principal are decontextualized from a specific group of teachers ... K-12 in Hong Kong has gone through a lot of major curriculum changes every 2 or so years for the last 15 so teachers are burned .
21:21:12 Durff -> EdTechTalk: bye
21:21:16 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I work with them anyway the want - especially like the invite to their rooms
21:21:17 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: one of the things that god teachers enjoy is seeing their students experience that "a ha" get excited about learning - what do we need to do to recreate those times for them?
21:21:20 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: im always expected to have a harder goal b/c i use tech
21:21:29 nick -> EdTechTalk: teachers contexts matter
21:21:30 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Modeling and example work
21:21:33 lucie -> EdTechTalk: post david's site please
21:21:35 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: what do you use in place sharon?
21:21:37 susanvg -> EdTechTalk: We ask students to risk - we as teachers have to model the same behaviour
21:21:37 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: @Lori a: Is that not one of the problems with not giving teachers a decent working salary in the first place?
21:21:39 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: @ CheriT great point
21:21:45 audrey -> EdTechTalk: Yea... Cathy but think about it... I'm an English teacher who has 110 kids who just wrote a 2 page essay each and I have a parent conference and a cluster meeting during breaks.. and I have to also readdress my curriculum for this week.. and I've spent all day with 12 year olds demands THEN someone comes along with a very much easier schedule and wants to know why I'm not up for afterschool. I mean I'm here at 9:21 because I'm itno it.. but I do get why some arent
21:21:45 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: don't talk about it as tools (blogs, wikis...)
21:21:48 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: :p
21:21:53 djakes -> EdTechTalk: My resources for this presentation are on my front page of my welsite
21:21:57 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: frame it in the form of skills...
21:21:59 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: barrier is there due ot past experiences of bad PD
21:21:59 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: teachers who love teaching love seing their kids learn - maybe we need to work with the kids and have the teachers watch
21:22:01 djakes -> EdTechTalk: http://www.jakesonline.org
21:22:04 lucie -> EdTechTalk: thanks Jave
21:22:06 lucie -> EdTechTalk: Dave
21:22:10 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: yes vicki is right: people have to get their hands dirty and learn new terms!
21:22:12 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: at some point isn't it a professional responsibility to learn it
21:22:16 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://www.jakesonline.org/
21:22:18 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: good point Cheri
21:22:19 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: yes i d understand tchrs are busy
21:22:21 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: @briangrenier - Moodle, MyEport, Blogger, wikispaces, etc.
21:22:22 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: Cheri that is a GREAT point
21:22:22 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: sorry -- David -- you beat me
21:22:24 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: welcome chris
21:22:24 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://www.jakesonline.org/
21:22:25 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: then, they'll see how engaged their students are
21:22:25 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: So true -- Ewan and David are so on their game tonight -- wow!
21:22:32 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: @robin agree
21:22:35 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: So cool -- a blog post looks like e-mail.
21:22:38 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: @robin I think so -- yes... it is our job as professionals to learn
21:22:42 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: want your kids to collaborate? let me show you some great tools to do that...
21:22:43 nick -> EdTechTalk: yes Wes re hands dirty but the strategies we use to facilitate that will vary
21:22:48 nick -> EdTechTalk: with contexts
21:22:49 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: thats wh i like to do it that way too--engagement is infectious
21:22:50 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: my best projects are the ones where I TEACH THE TECH to the kids...with the teacher there and they manage the learning
21:22:52 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: Collaboration versus behind closed doors
21:22:55 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: my summer students had a session with students and like working together
21:22:55 Durff -> EdTechTalk: they think collaboration = cheating
21:22:57 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: blogs and wikis look like word processor with a publish button
21:22:58 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: yes robin, i think it is a professional learning responsibility-- to be a lifelong learner, to be a reflective practicioner
21:23:01 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Yes -- move past clicks and points of the mouse -- oh yes.
21:23:06 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: truthfully I didn't have to investigate all this technology until I left the classroom
21:23:07 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Wow!
21:23:10 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: @Kristin - that's great!!
21:23:11 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: right nick
21:23:12 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Cooperative learning and planning for teachers needs to be built right into the school day to become part of professional practice.
21:23:13 Marie -> EdTechTalk: Agree Ewan - don't understand collaboration
21:23:15 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Remember this CHAT will be available AFTER the show with the AUDIO CHAT!!
21:23:15 audrey -> EdTechTalk: @Robin.. only if the district supports it.
21:23:16 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: How do you get others to understand that though?
21:23:20 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @kirsten or have the students teacher the Teacher the tech - win win!
21:23:22 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: I just didn't have the time
21:23:23 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: pick something small and show the power - we did RSS today and Soc. Bookmarks next time.
21:23:23 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: so true sussan, I made huge leaps on sabbatical
21:23:26 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: but should every teacher have a blog?
21:23:33 Marie -> EdTechTalk: School hasn't required collaboration in the past and most teachers know "school"
21:23:35 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I don' tthink that they HAVE to have a blog.
21:23:36 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: get the teachers to collaborate online first...then the students...
21:23:38 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: they claim no time
21:23:39 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: and Durff collaboration does = cheating in many traditional lessons
21:23:40 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: I use that technique of making it look like an email. (send you a link with example)
21:23:42 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: to blog
21:23:45 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But every teacher now has an e-mail -- I think it will move to blogs soon enough.
21:23:47 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: There is lots about the teaching profession that isn't "fun"... playground duty in the rain, writing programs and registers, grading endless assessment tasks, but its part of the job. Why do some see getting up to speed with technology as being so optional?
21:23:47 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: What a teacher needs to be has chaned but teacher education program have largely not- tenure..
21:23:54 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: tols of trade not as sharp as they could be
21:23:57 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: GREAT analogy
21:23:57 nick -> EdTechTalk: start from issues they have with student learning and show how these tools can help to address multuple issues
21:23:59 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: all teachers have laptops have had for 8 years 90% do not use it as a teaching tool
21:24:01 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I mean every elementary teacher sends a take home newsletter -- at some point it will evolve.
21:24:02 Kern -> EdTechTalk: I've had student "Tech Sherpas" adopt teachers and departments for their tech support
21:24:03 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I think blogs make it easier than email.. then you do it all at one time
21:24:03 Marie -> EdTechTalk: lay the groundwork with some of the DYK eye openers
21:24:09 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Wow - Chris.
21:24:12 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @tansmom every teacher needs to be regularly reflecting on their practice and getting input from a community. whether they choose to blog or not should be up to them. but participation in a reflective and supportive community should not be optional.
21:24:13 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: @cpeppler - yes all my sessions use the tools - then they see the power for use with the student.
21:24:13 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: I learned sooo much when I was a technology integrator!!!
21:24:15 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: It isn't just tech that they refuse to learn -- they also say "I don't have time" to read books about effective instruction, read recent articles, etc.... It irritates me to hear the "I don't have time" comment
21:24:17 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: and experimented
21:24:19 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: right! what's the point of having a blog if they don't use it to improve instruction?
21:24:24 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: tech sherpas...love it!
21:24:25 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: plugged experience, I like that term
21:24:26 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: @tansom: Not every teacher should have a blog... for some it is an anathema to their way of working and thinking.. and that does not mean they are any the lesser as teachers...
21:24:26 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: Robin many of our teachers are JUST getting tools
21:24:28 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @kern i love that term "tech sherpas"
21:24:30 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I think personal reflection is one of the most important things about bloggig.
21:24:32 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: I agree Stephanie
21:24:34 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: the biggest thing we did was give each teacher a laptop
21:24:35 djakes -> EdTechTalk: We have to find time, it cant be an excuse any longer, its that simple
21:24:38 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: me too vivcki
21:24:43 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: 'vovki
21:24:44 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: we have had them for a long time
21:24:44 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: And yet we have states like Pennsylvania that issued a statement telling teachers not to blog.
21:24:46 Marie -> EdTechTalk: Another thing that worked for me was getting my principal on board - now she blogs, wikis, and twits, too...
21:24:47 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: vicki
21:24:48 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: Agree very much david!
21:24:49 lucie -> EdTechTalk: we turned MOodle into an onlin community for STAFF and are requiring teachers to log in and do activities on it (take surveys; post meeting minutes, etc)
21:24:50 Kern -> EdTechTalk: From a immigrant to a native sometimes you need a guide ;)
21:24:54 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i promise i can type
21:24:58 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Why oh why are they telling teachers NOT to type.
21:25:01 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: i mean blog.
21:25:03 lucie -> EdTechTalk: nobody would have come to a workshop called MOODLE
21:25:06 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: My superintendent is starting to podcast - great leadership
21:25:08 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: I agree Neil
21:25:13 Marie -> EdTechTalk: @lucie we do the same thing with wikis
21:25:15 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: I am from PA Vicki
21:25:16 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: @Jakes...do you think it has become easier to tap into the network, participate, and be heard for new users?
21:25:19 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: hi VV
21:25:22 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: PA still does not hold teachers or students to NETS standards...they don't know they EXIST in many cases
21:25:26 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: Tell Pennsylvanian teachers we're lookig for teachers in Scotland... and the pay is really good... and they can blog!
21:25:28 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But you blog -- good for you!
21:25:30 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Collaboration in the current atmosphere can be tricky due to fear and the closed classroom model..
21:25:31 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: neither does sc
21:25:33 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @vicki I didn't realize that pennsylvania had done that. our local school district has told the same thing to teachers. NO BLOGGING. And that district was the oklahoma technology district of the year last year
21:25:37 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: I'd never be learning from all of you right now...if we were limited to face to face!
21:25:40 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @sharonbetts send the link - I'll play it for my admins
21:25:44 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: but they have added blogs to the standards language
21:25:46 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: @WesFryer -- that is crazy.
21:25:48 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: I may have to move Neil!
21:25:51 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: wonder how that will be assessed
21:25:55 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: It is beyond crazy. It would be like telling me not to exist.
21:26:00 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: true Corey
21:26:07 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: Oh -- I nearly blew a gasket this week when I was told that I was NTO ALLOWED to use my laptop during day long training (for two days)
21:26:09 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: hello vinnie
21:26:18 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: HEY STEPHANIE
21:26:22 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @vicki Yep. i guess they are just focused on administrative uses of tech and infrastructure stuff when they give out the top tech district award
21:26:23 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: SS i feel the same way
21:26:24 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: it is the smae thing as teachers who post a "lesson" to their blog for kids to "respond" to ..... like a digital paper
21:26:27 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: You were in all our thoughts THIS WEEK
21:26:28 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: Hi Jennifer!
21:26:29 Marie -> EdTechTalk: I think the hard part still, is readjusting the perception that we don't have to teach from the book
21:26:31 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: what? I cant use my tools?
21:26:33 Marie -> EdTechTalk: and to the test
21:26:34 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: lol
21:26:36 Vinnie V -> EdTechTalk: good evening cheryl
21:26:36 audrey -> EdTechTalk: @Kristin is that a bad thing?
21:26:42 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: oh, stephanie, that is like cutting off your hands
21:26:43 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @Stephanie: I honestly feel disabled / handicapped when I'm in a meeting now without my laptop
21:26:46 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: I find some teachers feel challenged in their expertise when I talk about blogs in a preso. There have always been good teachers -even without technology. Then, that reassured, you show them Did you Know.
21:26:52 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: a spy is among us xyz
21:26:53 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: @robin ellis: Scottish payscale = approx $40,000 -> $60,000 for unpromoted teachers
21:27:00 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Laptop is like my third arm.
21:27:00 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: teasing
21:27:01 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Ignorance can exist at the highest levels which is why admin, boards, and community institutions must be onboard...
21:27:03 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @wes :)
21:27:04 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: http://169.244.224.253/TMSprincipal/Podcasts
21:27:06 Kern -> EdTechTalk: agreed
21:27:07 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: good to know Neil thank you
21:27:08 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: Collaborating with team members has been a giant leap - connectiong with others beyond their school is mind shattering to them
21:27:08 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Or my tentacle as David Warlick would say.
21:27:10 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: i was so handicapped the other day at a workshop with no chat
21:27:12 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: Exactly! Then I get home and finally get to listen to David's keynote -- and felt like he was talking about MY tentacles
21:27:13 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: @audrey if all the kids are doing is responding to the teacher's question ..how is that different from them doing the same assignment on paper
21:27:14 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @cheryloaks: yes, the laptop is now an extension of my brain. taking it away is like putting a muzzle on, or blinders
21:27:17 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: It takes a very creative teacher to teach online and a lover of technology
21:27:17 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @Sbetts thanks!
21:27:19 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: its my prime time tv
21:27:21 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: the superintendent has it ready, but not released yet
21:27:26 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: yes, Wes
21:27:32 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: da-vid
21:27:36 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: da-vid
21:27:43 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But really it is so much better teaching to connect online. It is so much more than Web 2.0 it is connecting.
21:27:56 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: oh - I am missing great chats as I try to engage in conversatoin with these guys!
21:27:57 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: connecting
21:28:02 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: connections, yes
21:28:02 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: wouldn't you have just loved to have an open chat channel like this in all your college classes?
21:28:07 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: We're doing the university of michigan simulation of the arab israeli conflict and it is amazing -- we know so much -- I would say it is transformative.
21:28:07 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: 53 in chat room -- Hmmm -- WHO LEFT? :)
21:28:13 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i agree the informal lrng is powerful
21:28:14 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi parisi
21:28:14 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: wow - yes, what an advantage.
21:28:17 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I think every college class needs an archived backchannel.
21:28:17 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: I always thought the 2.0 in Web2.0 meant two-way...
21:28:19 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: LISA!!!
21:28:20 lucie -> EdTechTalk: I think we need some "MODEL" online teaching that a teacher would watch from the 'balcony'
21:28:20 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: hello all
21:28:20 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @jenw xyz
21:28:21 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: @wes YES! That would have been so cool!
21:28:24 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: sharon the chat will be available in two days on the edtechtalk.com site
21:28:25 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: just look what weve learned from Will's impromptu ustream
21:28:27 Durff -> EdTechTalk: what?
21:28:29 nick -> EdTechTalk: read Michael Eraut's work in this area David if you don't know it
21:28:31 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: And that we'll evolve to having some people monitor and report on the backchannel.
21:28:34 audrey -> EdTechTalk: @ Kristin I don't think it's the only thing, but I do think it's valid. Kids who never get to read each other's work on a regular basis all working on a similar assignment or prompt.. gives them an opportunity... why wouldn't that be just as wonderful as a crit in an art class on an assignment with a shared criteria?
21:28:35 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Will's training today was GREAT
21:28:38 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: I would have loved to open a chat out with YOU while sitting at University!
21:28:39 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Job-embedded learning - is that informal?
21:28:42 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: hey jen...sorry i'm so late
21:28:43 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: I use chat in my classroom ....amazing...with 11-12 y. olds
21:28:45 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: we are HELPING each other see OPTIONS!!
21:28:48 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @cathy: yes that was instructive! but the bleeding edge is like that sometimes for sure
21:28:50 Marie -> EdTechTalk: and how can we translate informal learning into the classroom, too!!!
21:28:54 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: jealous joselyn!
21:28:57 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: oh, joselyn good for you
21:28:58 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Does anyone feel like we are accelerating and that others are resisting.
21:28:58 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: The issue is - I don't always hear what is going on as I am busy reading ha
21:29:02 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @joselyn what application do you use for chat?
21:29:05 lucie -> EdTechTalk: who did David mention as a reference for research about informal learning "someone Cross"
21:29:07 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: yes
21:29:09 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I feel like we're getting ready to hit critical mass or at least the acceleration.
21:29:10 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Lisa -- you are never late -- you are easly for the NEXT show!!! :)
21:29:10 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: @vicki yes
21:29:11 Durff -> EdTechTalk: i would like to see that joccelyn
21:29:12 nick -> EdTechTalk: Dianne yes *most* learning on the job is informal
21:29:16 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @sharonbetts yes it is EASY
21:29:17 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: early
21:29:21 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: to get distracted
21:29:21 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: I agree Vickiu
21:29:21 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: they say cathy where do you find the time?
21:29:27 mumms -> EdTechTalk: What was David's link he mentioned?
21:29:33 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: lol
21:29:34 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: feels like others are blind
21:29:35 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: They love it and beg for it...I have gotten around it as I use our monitoring software!
21:29:36 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Grins -- which one MUMS??
21:29:39 Durff -> EdTechTalk: david jakes?
21:29:39 Marie -> EdTechTalk: like we were talking last night in the k12online conference chat - those sidetrips...so meaningful
21:29:40 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: @vicky Yes. But resistance is to play a part. It's natural for a lot of people.
21:29:56 djakes -> EdTechTalk: http://www.jakesonline.org
21:29:57 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://www.jakesonline.org/
21:29:58 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I'm going to go back and listen to the stream later
21:29:58 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: I just added ewan to my delicious network
21:29:59 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://www.jakesonline.org/
21:30:05 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: @Joselyn - where are you?
21:30:06 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: LOL -- almost beat you DJ
21:30:08 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: my wife is overwhelmed by all the online professional learning that has been happening in our house tonight!
21:30:13 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: It is part of change -- it is what happens. We must learn to become part of change or we will be a victim - I tell my students that there are only victims and victors that is it.
21:30:16 Durff -> EdTechTalk: all at once now
21:30:17 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Informal learning guru, Jay Cross
21:30:18 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: I think we are ALL overwhelmed WES
21:30:28 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: My husband thinks I'm crazy - he's retired and watching TV
21:30:28 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: @WesFryer -- She jsut wants to see her hubby. ;-)
21:30:29 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: oh, yes, my husband is jealous
21:30:29 mumms -> EdTechTalk: Thanks!:D
21:30:30 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Cary Academy, Cary, NC..David lives in Raleigh...
21:30:30 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: I know I am
21:30:31 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: my wife can't quite figure out WHAT I'm doing...
21:30:31 lucie -> EdTechTalk: Becaues teachers are told that the only "valid" learning is learning that is measured by assessments that were designed prior to the activity... how can we include "informal learning' measures in our reporting out
21:30:32 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: as diff as that is to beleive wes
21:30:34 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: My hubby has said the same this week.
21:30:34 Vinnie V -> EdTechTalk: i am assuming that will's training today will be archived. I had to pick up the kids rom sports
21:30:36 nick -> EdTechTalk: DavidJ .. have you read Michael Eraut?
21:30:39 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: @Wes yes, overwhelming
21:30:41 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: it has been quite a night!
21:30:45 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: yes it archives on ustream.
21:30:45 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: @wesfryer think of all you have learned in one day and some teachers ave NO CLUE that these opoe learning opportuinities exist
21:30:56 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i am so psyched
21:30:58 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: Where you find the time = you stop spending so much time doing all the nonsense work (urgent/not important) and focus on the stuff that matters (important/not urgent)
21:31:02 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: my hubby is amazed at all of this, so is my 22 year old!
21:31:03 audrey -> EdTechTalk: @Vicki... neither the victor or the victim.. just the vicki
21:31:05 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: ill never get to sleep 2nite
21:31:07 Vinnie V -> EdTechTalk: tonight's sounds like it was good
21:31:08 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: You cannot click without learning in this network!
21:31:09 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: i chatted that i'm married to a partial blog widow in will's stream today... Will told me she is a FULL blog widow....
21:31:09 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: When teachers reflect on their learning they'll ask students to do the same!
21:31:11 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: ha ha audrey.
21:31:13 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: I agree Chris B
21:31:16 lorisheldon -> EdTechTalk: my hubby said, "Again?!" I just smiled
21:31:19 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: The vicki is a very small fish in a rapidly growing pond.
21:31:20 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Madly pasting the chat into Skype for Ewan - can you slow down :-)
21:31:21 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: like david said, balance is important
21:31:22 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: can someone email me a summary of what happened in Will's ustream this evening? Was offline to have dinner with my significan tother to avoid too much jealousy :)
21:31:23 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @wes :D
21:31:24 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But it is exciting to be part.
21:31:25 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: blog widow...gotta remember that one, too
21:31:25 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi poiman
21:31:33 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Nick - David said NO - he has not read that author
21:31:39 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: there is a good picture of a tshirt that says "blog widow"
21:31:45 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Ask your ?? here to DJ and Ewan
21:31:49 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: we will try to work them in
21:31:50 Marie -> EdTechTalk: @dianehammond - reflection another key and we don't do that in school very well
21:31:50 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Here is my del.icio.us tag on informal learning
21:31:52 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I feel slow in comparison so rock on
21:31:54 djakes -> EdTechTalk: http://del.icio.us/djakes/informallearning
21:31:54 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: We're going to have k12online widows for 2 weeks.
21:31:58 Durff -> EdTechTalk: i like that shirt wes
21:32:00 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://www.jakesonline.org/
21:32:03 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: @wes...i think my wife designed it :)
21:32:09 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: my del.icio.us is out of hand - must spend a week cleaning it up
21:32:11 nick -> EdTechTalk: Jen .. tell David really important for prof and informal learning
21:32:29 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: listening is very important - I agree, Ewan
21:32:32 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: I got my "network is more powerful than the node" t-shirt in the mail last week :)
21:32:33 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: last yr i got kicked out of fschat, and couldn't get back in--my hsband thot someone had died
21:32:33 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @ewan Digital Bubble
21:32:42 audrey -> EdTechTalk: fschat?
21:32:45 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: http://flickr.com/photos/kk/5064908/
21:32:47 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Nick: got it
21:32:50 djakes -> EdTechTalk: thank you
21:32:52 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: Don Ledinghem (Head of East Lothian Education in Scotland) carries 'Permission to fail' cards. The point being that he believes that teachers should have the chance to try thingsout that are different. As long as the teacher knows what the end result is meant to be, the teacher can take any route to get there...
21:32:52 nick -> EdTechTalk: :)
21:32:53 susanvg -> EdTechTalk: but not as populated
21:32:53 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: that is the blog widow photo
21:32:58 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: k12olc fire side chat
21:33:00 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: One reason I like 1:1 in spite of its expense is that once teachers and students have the tools in their hands...there is no turning back.
21:33:15 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: "permission to fail" cards -- I love that idea!
21:33:17 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @briangrenier :?
21:33:18 lucie -> EdTechTalk: oui, je comprendre
21:33:22 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Neil, I like that , permission to fail, is also the window to learn
21:33:27 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i see my tools as no different from my guys fantasy team
21:33:35 susanvg -> EdTechTalk: But technology is built into the Quebec program - just people's interpretation of what is technology differs
21:33:38 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: Just check out a 7th grade room (1-1) and a 9th (no laptops) in Maine
21:33:39 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: yes and commenting to what others have to say @audry I guess that is my concern with teachers asking ALL students to reply to a SINGLE blog...kids get a chance to write for an audience, but they are not participating in a conversation
21:33:43 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: are we on Yugma
21:33:48 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: It is so important to let there be failure sometimes.
21:33:57 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: failure is no problem
21:33:59 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @joselyn you are so right
21:34:00 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: no susan, all here in this chat, and skype
21:34:03 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: also hte implementation of the QEP is missing as well..
21:34:10 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: imo better is to have them repond to a teacher's prompot on their OWN blogs and coment on one anothers
21:34:11 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Failure..by whose standards?
21:34:13 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: Thanks, Cheryl
21:34:13 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: I've never understood the avoidance tactics that many teachers use to avoid failing or looking incompetent
21:34:14 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: @sroseman - we aren't on yugma - just here.
21:34:15 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: me too
21:34:21 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: ok
21:34:23 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I love David's DStorytelling stuff
21:34:32 audrey -> EdTechTalk: @Kristin... that's if the only thing the teacher does is all students single blog. I was only allowed to do that last year and I felt like it benefited my students and I will give them some common assignments, but that isn't the only important thing of course
21:34:33 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: or putting up prompts and having all students respond to one prompt
21:34:41 nick -> EdTechTalk: DS mundane!!
21:34:42 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i am doing a dig stllg session in my district in three weeks
21:34:45 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: my 7 year old daughter is here watching the chat and listening to the web stream, she is AMAZED, never seen anything like this
21:34:48 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: Even being comfortable to ask questions is a start
21:34:53 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Hi Wes
21:34:55 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: I make mistakes and have failures all the time... that's what makes me such a good learner!
21:34:56 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I have a private ning this year and it is awesome.
21:35:00 Marie -> EdTechTalk: we need to mix up things a lot for our students, too
21:35:03 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: Dig Storytelling was the "hook" for many of my teachers - then on to other tools
21:35:03 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Hi Wes' Daughter!
21:35:04 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i advertised from pen and paer to dig strytelling
21:35:07 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: They blog, they podcast, they share pictures, they share videos.
21:35:11 barbara -> EdTechTalk: r@wes did you see clarence's blog about that
21:35:16 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: It is really a great thing.
21:35:19 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: I apologize, everyone, I am talking too much tonight!
21:35:21 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: @wes's daughter: I'm not sure I'VE seen anything like this before
21:35:24 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Hi Miss Fryer!!!
21:35:25 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @vicki how would you say the interaction in ning has been different from other types of social media you've seen students use?
21:35:28 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: welcome chanbliss
21:35:31 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: @wesfryer my kids are starting to think THIS is NORMAL
21:35:33 janices -> EdTechTalk: That is awesome Vicki
21:35:34 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: @vicki davis: they also use wikis... https://midsummerdreaming.wikispaces.com/
21:35:34 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i said they could do it with cutting edge top o line tools to shoe string budget of yard sale finds
21:35:36 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: Sarah waves to Jen
21:35:37 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: @Vicki - I see a real use for total soc. networks in teaching - like Ning
21:35:39 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: That's interesting Wes... I think we overestimate the "digital native" thing sometimes
21:35:46 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Jen Waves to Sarah
21:35:47 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I'm interested in the Berkely program
21:35:54 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: DS is my goal for the year...want to get into it ....never used it
21:36:01 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Oh it is so important to understand that visual in combination with words is so important. I had someone on my blog argue that literacy and knowledge doesn't include visual -- that words are the only thing we shoudl be teaching.
21:36:07 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Love the process! Strip it down and then build it up!
21:36:09 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @kristin that is GREAT :p
21:36:22 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: Sarah has left for bed
21:36:24 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @sbetts it's been hard getting those interested even in ACTEM where they're mostly techs
21:36:26 audrey -> EdTechTalk: Visual literacy, media literacy... information graphics... all essential and part of literacies in general
21:36:28 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Visual is so very important and doesn't make laziness it is part of communication.
21:36:30 Kern -> EdTechTalk: in ning
21:36:38 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I agree Vicki
21:36:39 Simon -> EdTechTalk: link please
21:36:42 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: I'm struggling with "why do we just let kids make movies in English? We are supposed to teach them writing!"
21:36:46 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I think that a problem is that many conferences don't have enough teachers.
21:36:50 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: OH, I love animoto.
21:36:50 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: am loving all the dig st that has just viuals and voice--simple
21:36:56 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: i am very interested in the author on PD that david talked about: jay cross?
21:37:01 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: @Kern - I keep plugging away at getting people social network users - my newlearning is slowly growing
21:37:08 audrey -> EdTechTalk: Of course we should teach them writing and anyone who just lets kids noodle around with video isn't a good teacher really
21:37:18 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @sbetts that's all you can do
21:37:22 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: bare bones
21:37:23 nick -> EdTechTalk: yes Wes Jay Cross
21:37:24 janices -> EdTechTalk: Exactly, David
21:37:26 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: Movies = narrative/setting/character, etc...
21:37:29 audrey -> EdTechTalk: Animoto is nothing
21:37:33 nick -> EdTechTalk: has a website for this
21:37:33 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: I agree David
21:37:37 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: i agree david: animoto is not digital storytelling. it is cool, but not a DS tool in the same way voicethread, imovie, photostory are
21:37:38 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: an intro at best
21:37:44 audrey -> EdTechTalk: it's using someone else's creativity in place of your own.. and that someone else was a programmer
21:37:48 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: actually -- there should be alot of writing involved in making movies or animations
21:37:57 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: and discussion
21:37:59 ColleenK -> EdTechTalk: @cpeppler Chris Harbeck's students have done some great movies in math.
21:38:02 janices -> EdTechTalk: Is that written somewhere? :)
21:38:07 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: this "case for digital storytelling" that david is sharing right now is VERY compelling
21:38:10 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: write visually literate, project mgmt skills, extend & amplify voice, intellectual property rights
21:38:11 Marie -> EdTechTalk: the digital storytelling foundation is often forgotten, but when done well it is very cool and David's resources are excellent
21:38:11 lucie -> EdTechTalk: GREAT LIST.. David... where is this written
21:38:12 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: lik cpeppler
21:38:14 audrey -> EdTechTalk: teach them to use CS 3, not noodle tools that are just flash
21:38:16 barbara -> EdTechTalk: I agree about animot but not voicethread..it has tremendous potential
21:38:17 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I emphasize teaching storytelling style, voice, copyright etc. the product is a minor part - although the most fun
21:38:18 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: link
21:38:23 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: in the chat...got it down :)
21:38:28 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: when I taught animation my students had to write scripts (using industry standard formats)
21:38:29 audrey -> EdTechTalk: what is voicethread?
21:38:37 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @audrey there is a difference in pushing buttons or writing a program yourself
21:38:41 nick -> EdTechTalk: see the latest work the Joe Lamberty at DSC is doing
21:38:41 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: voicethread.com
21:38:42 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: oh, stephanie, good idea
21:38:46 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: haven't tried Voicethread yet... note to self... try Voicethread
21:38:47 audrey -> EdTechTalk: yes I agree Wes
21:38:50 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: my favorite digital storytelling tool is voicethread right now
21:38:52 lucie -> EdTechTalk: stephanie... "industry standard format?
21:38:54 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: create a voice, voice that chn be heard, compettitve voice
21:38:55 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: oh, try voicethread
21:38:58 Thespian70 -> EdTechTalk: when I did newscasting, they had to script their stories before shooting any video
21:38:59 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: my kids love voicethread
21:39:05 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: 54in chat room
21:39:06 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: my foreign language teachers love voice thread
21:39:11 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: Have seen voicethread used for foreign language lessons very well
21:39:13 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: Thanks, David! more confirmation and ammo for what I've been preaching!
21:39:17 Marie -> EdTechTalk: I like the interactivity of voicethread
21:39:29 nick -> EdTechTalk: for Wes: http://www.jaycross.com/
21:39:33 barbara -> EdTechTalk: Great idea Vicki
21:39:35 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: Great Book Stories is a project I'm working on with voicethread - http://greatbookstories.pbwiki.com
21:39:46 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @nick THANKS!
21:39:50 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: sorry if this came out earlier but is there a link to david's stuff?
21:39:52 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: How about this...same 10 photos...ask each student to rearrange into their own product...sheds some intersting light
21:39:54 lucie -> EdTechTalk: PC recommendations for Screen capture?
21:40:04 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: cool idea joselyn
21:40:04 janices -> EdTechTalk: Wes, Nice. Thanks for sharing
21:40:11 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: lucie -- yes -- there is a format to follow... to insure that not only is the story or dialogue being written... but also scene treatment, lighting, camera angles, voice overs, sound effects, background music, etc.... all of that can be accounted for in a complete script... often the kids just thought they needed to write the dialogue
21:40:15 nick -> EdTechTalk: camtasia lucie
21:40:18 djakes -> EdTechTalk: http://www.jakesonline.org
21:40:19 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: right David, Gary Stager is opposed to shallow learning
21:40:22 ehelfant -> EdTechTalk: jing or cam studio for screen casting
21:40:27 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: Purpose and Message
21:40:29 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Win Media Encoder- Free in Win XP, Camtasia, Jing online
21:40:31 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: who would be pro shallow learning/
21:40:37 barbara -> EdTechTalk: okay but same complaint can be made about any tech tool...if it is about the tool and not the learning
21:40:45 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I am opposed to shallow learning also.
21:40:53 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: legislators are pro shallow learning when they are pro testing
21:40:54 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But you need to look at it and see what is really happening.
21:40:56 lucie -> EdTechTalk: thanks we were using HyperCam...didn't know if anyone had any other low income tools
21:41:05 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: Animoto is a GREAT hook to get teachers thinking about this stuff...DST, no.
21:41:12 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: its all moving to online- democracy at work so long as their is an internet connection
21:41:13 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: As Ewan says, "It's not the tech, it's the teach..."
21:41:16 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: Testing - ugh
21:41:17 Marie -> EdTechTalk: there's an opensource camtasia, but don't remember the name
21:41:21 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: i hadn't heard of "digital spectacle" before
21:41:23 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: That is why teachers are afraid to blog -- of attacks that are given when someone jumps in without all of the facts.
21:41:28 nick -> EdTechTalk: cam studio
21:41:28 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: Woiuld love tlo be able to export the Animoto videos as a standalone file, which can then be integrated into an iMovie or some other media mash...
21:41:29 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: Camstudio - I've used it
21:41:33 CheriT -> EdTechTalk: night all - gotta get ready to travel tomorrow
21:41:34 janices -> EdTechTalk: It's the teacher, not the tool, that drives the learning.
21:41:34 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: we have a lot of screencasting tools listed on the presenters wiki for k12online
21:41:35 barbara -> EdTechTalk: Vicki's point goes back to the fact that it is about the pedagogy
21:41:38 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: great comment neil not tech, it's teach
21:41:41 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Right the tools aren't that important.
21:41:41 lucie -> EdTechTalk: Bandwidth still an issue in rural Vermont -some schols still on dialup
21:41:45 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I could care less about the tools.
21:41:47 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: Would be much more useful to me
21:41:51 audrey -> EdTechTalk: Design teachers tell you that you have to create off the computer and then go to the computer.. that the hand skills prior to using the tools that create flash for you is essential. I really want to take that Berkely program now
21:41:54 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: we have a lot of students and parents on dial up
21:42:00 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: http://k12online07presenters.wikispaces.com/Presenter+Tools
21:42:02 lucie -> EdTechTalk: Anyone want to share a model assessment rubric for digital storytelling
21:42:06 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: Schools on Dialup? Wow
21:42:08 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Tools are not the issue but one does need basic command to be able to innovate in the classroom...
21:42:11 Marie -> EdTechTalk: but doesn't that potentially happen with almost any "tool" - its about the learning, not the technology
21:42:16 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: That the kids can be proud of -- if they are blogging -- or if you want to screen capture it and put it into another move.
21:42:18 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: movie.
21:42:20 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @lucie the best source i know for rubrics on digital storytelling is digitales
21:42:26 nick -> EdTechTalk: people should download Jo Lamberts book on the DSC website
21:42:27 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: Chris Craft has one for his storyteling project
21:42:30 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: But it can be part of a process -- it can be a component.
21:42:30 lucie -> EdTechTalk: thanks Wes
21:42:37 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: http://www.digitales.us/evaluating/scoring_guide.php
21:42:47 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @nick you have that link?
21:42:48 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: digitales is what I give my staff
21:42:51 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: it isn't the only tool but Animoto can be part of things and a process.
21:42:59 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: http://www.umass.edu/wmwp/DigitalStorytelling/Rubric%20Assessment.htm
21:43:09 djakes -> EdTechTalk: My storytelling resources at:
21:43:16 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I have wanted to teach video in my classroom forever and I thought I'd just wing it... I odn't have the background to really do it right yet. this makes me feel like it's time to go become more knowledgeable
21:43:18 djakes -> EdTechTalk: jakesonline.org/storytelling.htm
21:43:22 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: Chris Craft is from MY state--SC
21:43:24 barbara -> EdTechTalk: some tools and assignments are portals to deeper learning that will come
21:43:30 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: a tech director on my blog today was saying she thought US law (CIPA) REQUIRES all school districts to block flickr and youtube. that is wrong of course, but that is a common perception
21:43:31 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Thanks to all the folks in the chat, you make our show. The audio will be posted by Thurs. and the chat will be online at edtechtalk.com/womenofweb2
21:43:34 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: My brain is spinning and it looks like I am going to need to go soon. Don't want to logoff
21:43:43 Marie -> EdTechTalk: the conversations are more important...
21:43:44 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Video is getting easier and easier...less post-production time
21:43:50 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: UNBELIEVABLE CHAT tonight!!
21:43:56 audrey -> EdTechTalk: but, I dont really even know about storyboarding
21:43:58 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: Ewan, I love the choose your own adventure in Flickr!!
21:43:58 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: thanks to WOW2 hosts for providing this virtual water cooler!
21:43:59 Marie -> EdTechTalk: but the tools are part of the process, too!
21:44:03 nick -> EdTechTalk: has anyone read the 99 ways to tell a story book ... great book
21:44:04 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I used it for an invention project -- where students had to invent a product and create a 30 second "ad." Look at these sometime later - http://animoto.com/play/2b9f7b80340d3376e7155ff6e85a5e21
21:44:04 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: sharonbetts, we save the best for last
21:44:05 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: my district blocks EVERYTHING
21:44:07 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: And I read those books, too!
21:44:07 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Audrey -- I don't know either!!
21:44:09 nick -> EdTechTalk: done in cartoons
21:44:09 audrey -> EdTechTalk: really unbelievable. I think this is the best thing I've seen so far
21:44:13 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: we use teachertube to post a lot of our videos - not blocked anywhere
21:44:13 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: Following the logic from the earlier discussion, should it just be known as "Storytelling" rather than "Digital Storytelling"? Isn't digital a bit of a given these days?
21:44:17 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I can't believe i didn't do this last year
21:44:18 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: are the tools the enablers
21:44:20 lucie -> EdTechTalk: WOW.. Ewan.. I want to see an example of what you just described.... I"ve always found remixing cool
21:44:20 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @cpeppler do you have a link to an example of a tell your own story with flickr?
21:44:23 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i think they shut down twitter yesterday cuz oifof me
21:44:25 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: http://animoto.com/play/5dc0c00be55f920eef6d147ecb5cdbfc
21:44:30 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: lost sound
21:44:41 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: http://animoto.com/play/5001055553d387cfc5ec335c8585d318
21:44:42 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: cathy :(
21:44:43 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: The digital art taps into the need to address visual literacy
21:44:46 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: so sorry lisap
21:44:47 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: @Wes No, I just got the idea just now!
21:44:54 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: better
21:44:58 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: http://animoto.com/play/960785fbac3ddda2220a57901890ab5d
21:45:00 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: But I'll let you know if (when) I do!
21:45:01 Kern -> EdTechTalk: we've been fortunate to unblock quite a few of the commonly blocks sites
21:45:02 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: to do what david is advocating, kids need to use digital tools-- otherwise the audience is inherently limited. so i like "digital storytelling"
21:45:11 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Nick drop that link again PLEASE
21:45:13 lorisheldon -> EdTechTalk: think of how many learning styles are being addressed
21:45:15 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: neat Vicki
21:45:19 nick -> EdTechTalk: which link?
21:45:25 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: and Kenn Burns has an invitiation to the "youtue" generation to capture the stories of vets whiel they are still around to tell them
21:45:27 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: the one Ewan is talking about
21:45:30 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: skills..love of learning...ability to crate learning environment that fits ones leanring style...adaptibility...innovation....creativity...critical
21:45:30 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: the 99 ways to tell story
21:45:31 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @cpeppler I love that idea! Go for it and please send me a link if you do it!
21:45:31 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: in 10 seconds LOL
21:45:32 djakes -> EdTechTalk: please also see the Digital Storytelling Cookbook
21:45:36 susanvg -> EdTechTalk: I agree with David - it's about deep storytelling - we shouldn't get bogged down in the tools - there is a danger of the bells and whistles getting int he way of the story
21:45:40 djakes -> EdTechTalk: from the Center for Digital Storytelling
21:45:46 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: My students were inventing - -it was a project I set up to integrate the 6 sense from Dan Pinks -- a whole new mind.
21:45:50 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: yep, but we need TIME to do deep storytelling
21:45:50 audrey -> EdTechTalk: It's about deep storytelling true.
21:45:54 audrey -> EdTechTalk: yes we do
21:45:56 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: And didn't want them to spend forever on the video.
21:46:08 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: thye need linmits to a degree
21:46:10 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Yes -- you need time -- but my purpose at the moment was to invent and integrate with learning on technology.
21:46:12 audrey -> EdTechTalk: Maybe we just have to go ahead and close the doors
21:46:12 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: time is what the teachers always tell me is missing
21:46:19 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Need to hold the pencil before writing the first letters, then paragraphs, then essays...
21:46:23 audrey -> EdTechTalk: yes
21:46:34 audrey -> EdTechTalk: Joselyn Yes.. I agree with both
21:46:35 barbara -> EdTechTalk: getting bogged down in special efects is always a temptation for kids ..thats why i like the new google presentation tool it is simple
21:46:38 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @wes time that can only come from crosscut projects - one project many subjects and teachers
21:46:40 ColleenK -> EdTechTalk: Hi Martha!
21:46:42 lucie -> EdTechTalk: Vermont student video about "no dialup land" made national news (NYT, etc) called 802
21:46:44 lucie -> EdTechTalk: http://7d.blogs.com/802online/2007/05/vermont_youtube.html
21:46:45 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: as I used to tell my students when they were learning animation -- a good story is more important than good drawings -- quality of story is more important than quality of images...
21:46:47 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: which is why my session is called from Paper and Pencils to dig st
21:46:51 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: how do the kids do this? twitter, chat, listen, search,
21:46:52 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: Yes ULearn sounded great!
21:46:52 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: 99 ways to tell a story and Taymond Queneau's Exercices de Style
21:46:52 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: This was the animoto assignment - http://westwood.wikispaces.com/Chapter+1B+-+Digital+Devices#tocChapter%2...
21:46:54 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: http://centre4.interact.ac.nz/modules/page/page.php?space_key=12482&modu...
21:46:57 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @kern yes, you are right. we have to stop thinking about learning as compartmentalized into content areas
21:46:59 roswellsgirl -> EdTechTalk: Hi Colleen!
21:47:02 janices -> EdTechTalk: David has inspired a whole group of teachers in my district. His online turtorials are wonnderful.
21:47:03 audrey -> EdTechTalk: @Stephanie.. did you use flash for this?
21:47:06 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: multitasking fools like us
21:47:12 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @wes especially at the High School level
21:47:13 djakes -> EdTechTalk: My tutorials are at:
21:47:15 janices -> EdTechTalk: Sorry, my chat is really slow tonight
21:47:17 Kern -> EdTechTalk: the hardest sell
21:47:21 djakes -> EdTechTalk: jakesonline.org/photostory.htm
21:47:30 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Hey Kern
21:47:32 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hi BPG
21:47:33 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: thanks EVERYONE for dropping their links
21:47:37 nick -> EdTechTalk: 99 ways book http://tinyurl.com/ytddzn
21:47:38 Kern -> EdTechTalk: hey Dave!
21:47:41 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: David - Jakes . Thanks so much for your site. we use it extensively
21:47:42 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: thanks NICK
21:47:44 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: flash... photoshop/imageready... imovie... a few other programs that don't exist anymore...
21:47:50 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Thanks Nick for dropping the link.
21:47:51 djakes -> EdTechTalk: You are most welcome
21:47:58 Durff -> EdTechTalk: ouch - watch for falling links...
21:48:03 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: :)
21:48:05 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: It was the first conference we have had in NZ where we made connections with other bloggers in NZ
21:48:07 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @djakes Great interview
21:48:13 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Thank you.
21:48:13 audrey -> EdTechTalk: is this chat going to be posted somewhere?
21:48:15 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: @janices Same problem here
21:48:18 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: we also had some great #D animation programs... including LightWave (used in the movie industry and very expensive)
21:48:20 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: well done guys
21:48:23 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I want to come back and get the links but I dont have as muchtime
21:48:25 janices -> EdTechTalk: Yes David, Thanks!
21:48:26 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: Thanks David
21:48:26 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Yes Audrey -- it will be available with the podcast
21:48:28 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Suzie, isn't that exciting?good for you
21:48:29 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: Chat can be both, fast and deep.
21:48:32 Durff -> EdTechTalk: and those nzers didn't skyper me
21:48:36 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: you can find it on our website too
21:48:43 audrey -> EdTechTalk: @Stephanie do you have an art school background?
21:48:43 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: www.loc.gov/vets/vets-home.html
21:48:50 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: edtechtalk.com/womenofweb2
21:48:56 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Thanks Cheryl
21:48:56 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: thanks kristen
21:48:57 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: thanks so much for mentioning Jay Cross David!
21:49:01 djakes -> EdTechTalk: if interested in DST, be sure to check out Flickr Storm
21:49:03 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: http://www.womenofweb2.com
21:49:04 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: (and sharing the link Nick!)
21:49:05 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: yes -- bachelors and masters degrees in studio art and graphic design
21:49:15 nick -> EdTechTalk: hmmm would rather see students as curators of their own individ and group learning
21:49:18 janices -> EdTechTalk: And your tutorials on Flickrstorm
21:49:20 audrey -> EdTechTalk: my entire fantasy in life Stephanie
21:49:22 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: I thought that we had a great conference - all my teachers in my schools really felt they got a lot out of it
21:49:22 Marie -> EdTechTalk: I love Flickr storm, especially with firefox
21:49:27 djakes -> EdTechTalk: You're welcome Wes, see you in Austin
21:49:27 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: focused on art first... then went into teaching
21:49:27 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @fceblog chats tonight have definitely been FAST!
21:49:36 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: @audrey will be posted after thurs
21:49:40 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: Some digital storytelling projects all ready going and that are looking for collaboration....http://www.ncsu.edu/midlink/
21:49:46 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @nick probably cultural shift for that
21:49:47 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Oh the folks in New Zealand are awesome.
21:49:57 nick -> EdTechTalk: what about linking things into openeducation ?
21:50:10 Marie -> EdTechTalk: another balancing act - personal and collaborative...
21:50:13 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: Hey Karen...I was talking about you today.
21:50:22 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: THey see themselves as being outside the box
21:50:23 KarenJanowski -> EdTechTalk: @lisa really?
21:50:26 KarenJanowski -> EdTechTalk: what about?
21:50:35 nick -> EdTechTalk: their geographic and historical contexxt
21:50:40 KarenJanowski -> EdTechTalk: wow - look at everyone in here! how many are here?
21:50:41 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: I am feeling quite chuffed :-)
21:50:46 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: chuffed?
21:50:50 Kern -> EdTechTalk: 55 at top
21:50:51 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: I told one of my teachers to find you in classroom 2.0 or on twitter.
21:50:52 Durff -> EdTechTalk: chuffed?
21:50:53 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: chuffed?
21:50:53 nick -> EdTechTalk: there are lots of scots in NZ ... Dunedin
21:50:53 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: spec. ed high school teacher
21:51:02 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Is that our word of the day?
21:51:06 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: Kiwis pride themselves on being independent thinkers
21:51:09 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: chuffed = pleased
21:51:11 Durff -> EdTechTalk: i think so
21:51:12 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: chat so good I can't leave to go across room to get my cup of tea!
21:51:13 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: chuffed?
21:51:20 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Chuffed means pleased indeed
21:51:20 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: need to print out this chat and the one from the fireside chat so I can read them again during lunch duty tomorrow >;)
21:51:22 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: New Zealand..similar to Canada..gepgraphically large
21:51:23 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: okay--pleased
21:51:25 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: been steeping for 45 min!
21:51:26 ColleenK -> EdTechTalk: @KarenJanoswski I was talking about you, too. Your ears must have been burning!
21:51:27 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: welcome scmorgan
21:51:39 nick -> EdTechTalk: but the geographic history is imp Ewan
21:51:40 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: Nice - new word for me. Gues I should go to NZ as I like to be thought of as independent (political and thinking)
21:51:40 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: im on info overload
21:51:42 Durff -> EdTechTalk: ok - quiz following the show
21:51:45 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: your in trouble cpeppler
21:51:47 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: me too Cathy!
21:51:51 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: new zealand is not really geographically large... ?
21:51:59 Kern -> EdTechTalk: ahhh no
21:52:02 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Glad you enjoyed it! Had a blast!
21:52:04 nick -> EdTechTalk: geographic location
21:52:06 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: now geography too!
21:52:11 nick -> EdTechTalk: lol
21:52:15 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: The quiz mentality is what makes people fear failure
21:52:23 nick -> EdTechTalk: geography impacts on culture no
21:52:26 Durff -> EdTechTalk: bingo
21:52:41 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Quiz mentality can be lazy teaching.
21:52:43 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: no quizes - just learning. I used to give my Math students a copy of their final exam on day 1.
21:52:45 Marie -> EdTechTalk: like smaller learning communities
21:52:51 audrey -> EdTechTalk: Vicki what do you mean?
21:52:53 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: Well, South America has extensive land, but few bloggers/population ratio. We know each other.
21:52:54 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: WINDING DOWN __ ANY LAST QUESTIONS??
21:53:00 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: yes, i think here in the U.S. many people are not comfortable with our multicultural society
21:53:02 audrey -> EdTechTalk: No more quizzes?
21:53:04 Marie -> EdTechTalk: create an environment of "personalization"
21:53:08 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: My favorite "quizzes" are oral -- that truly gets at what a student knows.
21:53:09 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: great idea Sharon. Maybe we should do this for teachers and WEb 2.0 tools with purpose
21:53:14 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: No memorization.
21:53:15 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @fceblog are you in South America?
21:53:17 Kern -> EdTechTalk: I look forward to listening to this podcast!
21:53:19 nick -> EdTechTalk: has Ewan been to Dunedin yet
21:53:23 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: leads to much more haves and have nots
21:53:24 Durff -> EdTechTalk: i like yto give them that one that says don't answer any qts - makes me laugh
21:53:26 audrey -> EdTechTalk: No memorization? Aren't some things worth memorizing?
21:53:28 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: @Wes Argentina, Buenos Aires.
21:53:31 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: idea is a bit scary
21:53:34 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Kerns -- LOL, so am I
21:53:39 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: hopefully it will be a podcast so you can travel to Augusta and listen
21:53:40 Marie -> EdTechTalk: with 'small' kids don't fall thru the cracks much either
21:53:40 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: ahh - so it is all down to the Scotts :-) A few other factors in the mix perhaps
21:53:41 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: New Zealand is notable for its geographic isolation
21:53:43 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: must find ways to equalize then go smaller
21:53:47 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Yes -- memorization can be important.
21:53:48 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @fceblog Quiero viajar a Argentina un dia.
21:53:50 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: Sounds good - Cheryl. Their goal was to learn how to complete the exam by the end of the term - it was process and creativity, not answers
21:53:52 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: Ewan, My family come from a town in Australia called Aberdeen... they still toss cabers and wear kilts every so often ;-)
21:53:52 Durff -> EdTechTalk: what is worth memorising?
21:53:57 Kern -> EdTechTalk: yeah friday! :)
21:54:06 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: have to go everyone, this has been terrific thank you all!
21:54:10 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: yes, sharon and to give purpose to what makaes sense
21:54:11 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: However, if it is worth memorizing it is worth remembering and if it isn't worth remembering it isn't worth memorizing.
21:54:12 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: what was the 2nd one sharon mentioned?
21:54:13 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: durff...anything you need walking around...
21:54:14 Durff -> EdTechTalk: bye robin
21:54:14 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: bye, robin!
21:54:16 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Good night Robin
21:54:17 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: bye robin
21:54:18 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: Bye, Robin!
21:54:20 lucie -> EdTechTalk: whizique?
21:54:21 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: @Wes wow! I am amazed at the hidden Spanish knowledge in this network. lol
21:54:23 robin ellis -> EdTechTalk: night all
21:54:25 Durff -> EdTechTalk: i don't need anything
21:54:26 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: WIZIQue
21:54:32 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: So teach deeply -- I saw a great book that used visuals to teach the presidents -- I will never forget the first presidents.
21:54:32 lucie -> EdTechTalk: thanks Jen
21:54:35 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: I don't think it's the quiz or exam that is so terrible (can be used in a very good way for learning) -- it's more the "gotcha" aspect of most quizzes or exams
21:54:40 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: After spending 10 minutes with a graphic.
21:54:40 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: David Jakes is the master rudder of backchannelling!
21:54:43 barbara -> EdTechTalk: @Durff don't you think there is some necessary base knowledge like multiplication tables
21:54:48 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @jen thanks
21:54:53 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: hi dianne, thanks for coming back
21:54:54 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: wiziq - ustream - flashmeeting - google presentation
21:54:55 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: yes barbara
21:54:57 Durff -> EdTechTalk: there is an accommodation for everything
21:54:58 Durff -> EdTechTalk: no
21:54:58 joselyn_todd -> EdTechTalk: From a scientists perspective... is anything worth memorizing....misused brain neurons.... This is the lowest level of brain function in my mind (no pun intended)
21:55:02 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: need math when in stores
21:55:06 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: restaurants
21:55:10 Durff -> EdTechTalk: calculators
21:55:13 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: One thing I picked up from the Wrlick fireside chat tonight was that I don't think he was very keen on 'back-chat'... but I may have been wrong about that
21:55:21 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: not practical
21:55:22 Kern -> EdTechTalk: we're using backchannel in one of our history classes
21:55:24 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: would that be ok to teachers though????? for many, it would not
21:55:29 audrey -> EdTechTalk: My thought is that I have to quiz to understand whether my students understand the material I've presented. IT quizzes my teaching as much as their learning.. and I always get the average so I can see whether it's averaging to at least 75 or I curve to get it.
21:55:33 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: it helps to remember where you live and how to get home ;)
21:55:35 Durff -> EdTechTalk: very practrical for special ed
21:55:39 Kern -> EdTechTalk: all from djakes skypecasts from BLC
21:55:40 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I know he likes wikis etc. for feedback. Back chats can become overwhelming.
21:55:47 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: @Neil what gave you that impression?
21:55:48 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: I think direction would be a good idea
21:55:51 Durff -> EdTechTalk: why? use a map
21:55:58 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Can get a little 'nasty'
21:55:58 lucie -> EdTechTalk: Powerful chat prompt I've found is "How would did chat conversation be different if the audience also included ______ (name folks who are not present)
21:55:59 Durff -> EdTechTalk: hire a driver
21:55:59 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: lol!
21:56:07 Marie -> EdTechTalk: all the back channelling is a bit intimidating
21:56:11 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: agreed vivki
21:56:12 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: backchanneling CAN be overwhelming - but I like it - it actually helps me focus
21:56:14 audrey -> EdTechTalk: back channel this?
21:56:15 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: People forget they are not always just talking to a few friends
21:56:18 Marie -> EdTechTalk: but so much opportunity for learning!
21:56:18 Durff -> EdTechTalk: i think it's great
21:56:19 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: exploration to adaptation to transformation
21:56:24 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Great for circulating links
21:56:26 janices -> EdTechTalk: I pay attention more to the chat, then listen to the audio againa later
21:56:30 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: I like it too - just thinking of some of the students
21:56:31 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: @durff or use technology -- get a GPS system in your car :)
21:56:33 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: need a rudder
21:56:35 lucie -> EdTechTalk: what tool do you use for back channel chat in a classroom environment
21:56:37 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: me too janices
21:56:38 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: yes, you HAVE to give them time to play...but that makes MANY teachers uncomforatble.....they have CONTENT to cover
21:56:41 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: me!!
21:56:42 Durff -> EdTechTalk: yes stephaqnie
21:56:47 audrey -> EdTechTalk: if you have them in a computer lab
21:56:48 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i was there
21:56:51 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: what is the url to WIZIQue
21:56:54 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Kids are just goofy when we learn something new -- but so are adults.
21:56:58 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: yes, faclitating the chat is key
21:57:02 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: what about memorizing names
21:57:03 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: @briangrenier: I can't remember! It was just something he was talking about at the time... very much of the moment. It's one I'm going to have to check later to see if I was right.
21:57:03 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: I found the back channeling tonight in Warlicks fireside a bit much...112 participants, hard to follow
21:57:03 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: by articulating my own thoughts - it makes it stick in my brain while opening the conversation up to more voices - more opinions - mmore opportunity to be challenged
21:57:06 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I mean look at us when we first started blogging, or twittering, or anything-ing.
21:57:08 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: yes, it is fun to watch a light come on
21:57:08 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: Will R is a master of that in the "unconference" discussion format
21:57:10 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: We let them play with manipulatives in elementary school before they actually use them
21:57:16 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Cathy Nelson experienced the entire BLC conference through backchannel
21:57:18 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: jaeks u did a great job keepg us on topic
21:57:22 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Right LindaN
21:57:22 lorisheldon -> EdTechTalk: anonymous chat can be problematic - need to take ownership of comments
21:57:24 audrey -> EdTechTalk: What's the unconrference?
21:57:27 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: If you could go into small rooms and have common chats that would be cool.
21:57:28 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: me too ewan...I cn'aty just listen
21:57:28 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: What is the definition of Back channelling
21:57:29 lucie -> EdTechTalk: LInda... EXACTLY!!!! i learned that the hard way..
21:57:33 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Yes, alter things that is great.
21:57:33 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Yep -- David really brings it back tothe TOPIC
21:57:35 Marie -> EdTechTalk: like injenuity did with her job interview and Google preso
21:57:35 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: I think the "learn together" precedes the existence of a network.
21:57:39 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: audrey be sure to come back week after week
21:57:40 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @briangrenier yes there are certainly limits to how many voices we can process at once
21:57:42 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: especially for those like me who like to be social :)
21:57:43 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: It is also great for sharing links when everyone has a conversation going.
21:57:48 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: I wsa thinking that about using Google Presentations... would want to do it with someone else -- so one of us could facilitate the face-to-face and another could facilitate the backchannel
21:57:51 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: I liked what we did tonite in small groups during fireside chat
21:57:51 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: all these new words will be in your vocab in no time
21:58:00 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: So if somehow the really large chats could group on conversation that would be neat.
21:58:05 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @audrey the unconference model is where participants contribute ideas, and the presenter is really just a facilitator of the conversation
21:58:05 djakes -> EdTechTalk: We had 4 in one presentation at BLC and it was better
21:58:06 nick -> EdTechTalk: I get a student to facilitate the back channel ..
21:58:06 audrey -> EdTechTalk: I really will... is this every week? Sorry for not knowing this already
21:58:08 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @briangreer do you think the kids are better at it?
21:58:11 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Washn't that great ALICE??
21:58:12 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: yes alice that was nice to be with others for a bit
21:58:14 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: I was in a large group alice and hated it
21:58:15 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: but, I always find I try to visit all the small groups,
21:58:16 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: unconf = no ppts
21:58:18 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Yes audrey -- we're here every week at 9.
21:58:19 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: Will and Sheryl did several sessions as unconference sessions at Learning 2.0 in Shanghai
21:58:20 nick -> EdTechTalk: create summaries for me esp q's so I don't miss them
21:58:25 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: good idea nick
21:58:29 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @cathy :D
21:58:29 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Uncof = laptops in hand.
21:58:30 audrey -> EdTechTalk: cool... always on tuesday?
21:58:30 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: and no one told me how to find a small group :(
21:58:33 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: sharon, i didn't know we could go visit
21:58:36 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: @kern...not sure, but i would bet yes
21:58:45 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: yes audrey
21:58:49 audrey -> EdTechTalk: thanks
21:58:55 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: best way to spend Tuesday nts
21:58:57 Kern -> EdTechTalk: my guy says they probably would
21:59:04 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: You guys all need to get to a TeachMeet! (Ask Ewan!)
21:59:05 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Yes -- Tuesday night at 9p - we have a podcast too.
21:59:10 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: hmmmmm... live, formative assessment? I like that...
21:59:15 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: anyone have the link for the 2nd tool sharon mentioned, WIZIque
21:59:21 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: there are other webcast too--check them out
21:59:24 audrey -> EdTechTalk: teach meet?
21:59:25 sharonbetts -> EdTechTalk: gotta to - see the ME folks at Friday conference and the rest virtually at K12online
21:59:28 briangrenier -> EdTechTalk: Got to go...great show tonight ladies...Good night all!
21:59:28 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: wes, let me find it for you
21:59:31 lorisheldon -> EdTechTalk: immediate feedback - what can be better
21:59:33 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: thanks sharon
21:59:34 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: I think it's just wiziq.com
21:59:41 lucie -> EdTechTalk: thanks cpeppler
21:59:44 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: what about when we are off topic!!
21:59:46 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: BLC -- Alan November's Conference
21:59:53 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: cool that is it, thanks cpeppler
21:59:56 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: TeachMeet = http://tinyurl.com/2gr82a
21:59:56 audrey -> EdTechTalk: s'okay as long as you can get back on
21:59:57 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: I often wonder though why more teachers don't go to (get sent to) the conferences and think that the lack of teachers is why there is lack of change in the classroom.
21:59:58 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Building Learning Communities
22:00:03 Kern -> EdTechTalk: the chats can be found on Jakes blog
22:00:03 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: http://www.wiziq.com/Dashboard.aspx
22:00:05 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Teachers need to be plugged in.
22:00:27 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: http://edu.blogs.com/edublogs/teachmeet07/index.html
22:00:28 audrey -> EdTechTalk: Can I do this in my classroom? Where shoudl I go if I want to have my kids do this?
22:00:32 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: Vicki...money...district will pay for techies...not teachers
22:00:34 Durff -> EdTechTalk: yes
22:00:40 janices -> EdTechTalk: Funding for conferences is cut this year in our district- for everyone!
22:00:43 janices -> EdTechTalk: me too
22:00:44 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: @Vicki I often think about how we could use these tools to share more conference info with the teachers who can't attend conferences...
22:00:48 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: go to k12 online
22:00:50 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: @audrey if your kids have laptops you can do backchannel chats
22:00:52 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Ewan is probably one of the best presenter I have seen
22:00:54 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: :)
22:01:01 Kern -> EdTechTalk: @djakes agreed
22:01:05 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: right on David
22:01:09 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i agree
22:01:15 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: how Wes?
22:01:19 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: keep em focused david
22:01:21 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: If the attending team could use this tech to share info back to people at home who can't attend for whatever reason -- funding, schedule conflicts, kids at home, etc.
22:01:25 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: does a phenom job of summ too
22:01:32 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: Everyone in NZ loved Ewan
22:01:38 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: apart from that one person in the cue
22:01:39 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: that would be great!
22:01:52 nick -> EdTechTalk: on the hour!
22:01:54 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: They're too nice - let them know I'm touched! (from Ewan)
22:02:00 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: ewan is like a rock star
22:02:04 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Congratulations ladies on your leadership....
22:02:06 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: as is david jakes
22:02:12 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Thanks David
22:02:16 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: @Suzie Vesper: You might love him, but you can't have him! He's ours... ;)
22:02:24 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: woot
22:02:27 Durff -> EdTechTalk: WOW - time flies when you're having fun
22:02:31 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: Thanks Dave - It is because of our fantastic participants!
22:02:34 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: congrats WOW2!
22:02:36 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: bloggers are pop stars now ...
22:02:38 Marie -> EdTechTalk: great conversations tonight!
22:02:40 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: That's fine Neil - I won't paste that bit to him :-)
22:02:41 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Yeah WOW2!
22:02:42 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: Absolutely a great night
22:02:57 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: yes, i think the experience tonight for David was like a cross examination!
22:02:59 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: i have to say at edubloggercon and NECC i was totally star struck
22:03:00 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: @WOW--awesome conversation! My first, but I will be a regular now!
22:03:02 Durff -> EdTechTalk: who is singing?
22:03:03 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: this has been a fun night!
22:03:06 lorisheldon -> EdTechTalk: great brainfood tonight as always
22:03:08 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: this audio will be on your site right?
22:03:09 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: Fantastic end to an amazing night - what a great network
22:03:11 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Thanks CP
22:03:12 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: What a great conversation tonight (and thanks for your patience while I talked too much!)
22:03:16 lucie -> EdTechTalk: Congrats! WOW2....I need to bet my Tech Savvy Girls group tuned into you as role models!
22:03:18 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: thanks Ewan and David, and everyone! what a great night of learning and virtual conversations!
22:03:18 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: I gotted bumped out
22:03:20 Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: Wonderful show! You ladies are an inspiration to all!
22:03:20 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: whoo hoo gifts are good
22:03:21 Durff -> EdTechTalk: yes tansmom
22:03:27 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: This show has been one of the best, I think.
22:03:28 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Thank you everyone for your time
22:03:29 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: thanks Durff
22:03:31 alicebarr -> EdTechTalk: Awesome tonight! Thansk!
22:03:33 mumms -> EdTechTalk: my first too - will be a regular!
22:03:35 Kristin -> EdTechTalk: David and Ewan...FANTASTIC conversation
22:03:36 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: door prz?
22:03:38 Durff -> EdTechTalk: final chatroom count?
22:03:43 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: glad i came in...thanks for great show
22:03:46 KimVance -> EdTechTalk: Thanks!
22:03:49 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: Thank you Ewan and David. Thank you WoW2!
22:03:51 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: 60 in the chat room, hope you were not to squished
22:03:56 janices -> EdTechTalk: Thanks for a fantastic show, all!
22:03:57 sroseman -> EdTechTalk: This was a WOW show!!
22:03:58 Marie -> EdTechTalk: Thanks, David and Ewan and other WOW 2.0 participants
22:03:58 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: Thanks David and Ewan..great stuff
22:04:00 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Thanks David and Ewan!
22:04:02 Durff -> EdTechTalk: that's a wow
22:04:04 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: great conversatons tonight!!!
22:04:05 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: I learned so much and have so much still to do
22:04:08 ColleenK -> EdTechTalk: Thanks for a great show...yet again!!
22:04:09 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: Thanks everyone! It's 3 in the morning here and I need to be in school at 9... so... see you again! (http://nwinton.wordpress.com)
22:04:13 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: excellent conversations!
22:04:14 Suzie Vesper -> EdTechTalk: See you guys
22:04:15 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: Great learning with you here tonight.
22:04:18 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: you are crazy neil
22:04:20 nick -> EdTechTalk: ty all
22:04:22 djakes -> EdTechTalk: Later everyone!
22:04:25 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: Ooh, and I'm a part of history! A record number!
22:04:27 audrey -> EdTechTalk: really great thanks
22:04:28 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: thanks!
22:04:30 Stephanie Sandifer -> EdTechTalk: bye everyone!
22:04:32 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: wow 60
22:04:35 lorisheldon -> EdTechTalk: gnight
22:04:37 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: bye all!
22:04:38 DianeHammond -> EdTechTalk: Great show! The time just flew!!!
22:04:39 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: lol
22:04:43 Kern -> EdTechTalk: bye Wes
22:04:43 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: Thanks, David and Ewan!
22:04:44 Linda Nitsche -> EdTechTalk: Two nights in a row Neil?
22:04:48 Vinnie V -> EdTechTalk: good night everyone. Thanks for all of the great learning
22:04:48 Durff -> EdTechTalk: gotta go edit some audio - want to stay, but .... nite!
22:04:50 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Oh so great.
22:04:52 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: It was so fun.
22:04:54 WesFryer -> EdTechTalk: yes, i think etechtalk is cutting edge, ustream is bleeding edge!
22:04:55 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: just put the photo up
22:04:56 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Fantastic show--so many new links to check and things to think about Thanks Ewan and David!
22:04:57 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: WOW
22:05:02 Neil Winton -> EdTechTalk: I'm not mad, I'm Scottish!
22:05:07 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: sharonb has lipstick
22:05:15 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: come to METC
22:05:16 sharonp -> EdTechTalk: sharonb^^
22:05:19 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: ;)
22:05:20 janices -> EdTechTalk: I'm glad I made it through the Los Angeles traffic to at least catch a little of the show.
22:05:21 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: I am wearing Lipgloss too
22:05:26 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: a first
22:05:27 vjansen -> EdTechTalk: :)
22:05:30 janices -> EdTechTalk: :)
22:05:32 djakes -> EdTechTalk: I'll be doing a DST presentation at METC
22:05:32 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: mee tooo janices
22:05:40 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: OH wow. This has been great.
22:05:41 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: woo hoo djakes!
22:05:44 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: Thank y'all for coming.
22:05:46 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: that is great to hear
22:05:47 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: vicki and david, where in Illinois?
22:05:48 Cathy Nelson -> EdTechTalk: who is skypechatting it djakes?
22:05:51 janices -> EdTechTalk: TOday was incredible. Very engaging
22:05:52 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: IL-ICE
22:05:55 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: conference
22:05:59 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Vicki see you in Maine at ACTEM!
22:05:59 Vicki Davis -> EdTechTalk: At hte illinois conference in Feb.
22:06:00 djakes -> EdTechTalk: St. Charles, IL
22:06:03 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: How long before the chat gets posted?
22:06:05 janices -> EdTechTalk: Bye all. Thanks.
22:06:06 Vinnie V -> EdTechTalk: st charles, west of chicago
22:06:11 djakes -> EdTechTalk: I'm not sure Cathy...
22:06:11 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: Peggy -- within 48 hours
22:06:14 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: Come to my show next week
22:06:14 lisaparisi -> EdTechTalk: ustream
22:06:14 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: I'll see you there (I'm from Wisconsin)
22:06:15 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: usally sooner
22:06:17 Vinnie V -> EdTechTalk: i will be there also
22:06:21 cpeppler -> EdTechTalk: night, all!
22:06:22 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: Thanks Sharon
22:06:24 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: when is your show lisa
22:06:25 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Thanks! can't wait!
22:06:27 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: NIGHT CP
22:06:29 djakes -> EdTechTalk: please track me down and say hello
22:06:29 ColleenK -> EdTechTalk: @LParisi shhhh
22:06:31 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: thanks for coming
22:06:34 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: @djakes I am doing a collaborative thing with matzat at METC
22:06:41 Chris betcher -> EdTechTalk: And the rest of the ladies of WOW
22:06:45 JenniferWagner -> EdTechTalk: NIGHT NIGHT
22:06:46 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: oh, I will for sure
22:07:15 PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Good night all!
22:07:20 fceblog -> EdTechTalk: Nite
22:07:23 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: good night all thanks to you all
22:07:26 tansmom -> EdTechTalk: getting bumped off- cu all later
22:07:30 barbara -> EdTechTalk: Goodnight..chatting on skype
22:07:31 Kern -> EdTechTalk: Night all!!!!
22:07:41 audrey -> EdTechTalk: thanks for a great interview and backchannel
22:09:59 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: maryfriend, we just logged off
22:10:10 maryfriend -> EdTechTalk: Bad timing -- sorry
22:10:22 maryfriend -> EdTechTalk: see you next week
22:13:10 cheryloakes wow2 -> EdTechTalk: see you next week
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