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 Join Sharon Peters, Dr. Cheri Toledo and Cheryl Oakes as we chat with Sylvia Martinez, from GenYes, about everything from Seymour Papert to empowering students in the classroom. The chat is full of great links as well.

The Chat:



 20:51:43  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Cheryl getting things ready

 20:52:07  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: what color will you be tonight?

 20:53:02  Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: hi sylvia..thanks for your tweet.

 20:53:53  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: sylvia is your skype on?

 20:54:15  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: make sure it's not do not disturb

 20:54:18  sylviamartinez -> -EdTechTalk: yes

 20:54:36  sylviamartinez -> -EdTechTalk: ok, now

 20:55:32  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: sound!

 20:55:39  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: working on the stream

 20:55:44  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: music cheryl? nice touch

 20:56:00  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: that is not me, who is playing?

 20:56:24  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: is there sound

 20:57:15  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: welcome to all, just getting started

 20:57:31  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: music is off now, was it just me?!

 20:57:43  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: we can hear!

 20:57:46  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: it is funny how tht happens, auto music, then my stream

 20:57:50  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: yeah, sound

 20:59:17  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: school is out for the summer here :( fun idea

 20:59:48  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: that would be great, pretty soon.

 21:00:39  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i held my first skype conference call tonight and i had lots of windows open too :)

 21:00:44  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Hello everyone!

 21:00:54  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: hi Dr. Toledo

 21:01:01  karen dennis -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Dr. T!

 21:01:07  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: Hi folks... am moderating tonight.... so may be a little quieter in the chat room

 21:01:11  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Durff and KarenD - cheri here

 21:01:23  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: uh oh sharon, does this mean i have to behave myself?

 21:01:25  dharland -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Dr. Toledo

 21:01:25  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: lol

 21:01:34  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Dr. Harland

 21:01:39  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk:  http://www.k12onlineconference.org

 21:01:44  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: take two websites and call me in the morning

 21:02:02  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: drum roll please

 21:02:24  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: hi claudia

 21:02:33  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Yea! It's finally summer here - 86 today

 21:02:43  fceblog -> -EdTechTalk: Hi everyone

 21:02:52  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: HI Cheri T Hi Durff

 21:02:55  Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Durff

 21:02:59  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: http://pbskids.org/wayback/summer/index.html

 21:03:04  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Lisa

 21:03:10  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: hello to durff, so glad you are here!

 21:03:21  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: hi derrall and everyone

 21:03:25  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: hi everyone

 21:03:29  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: hi durff

 21:03:32  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: http://k12openminds.wikispaces.com/

 21:03:35  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Lucky Ducks on vacation!

 21:03:40  Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Did everyone lose sound or just me?

 21:03:49  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: i have sound

 21:03:52  karen dennis -> -EdTechTalk: yeah Dr Cheri!

 21:03:56  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: I have sound

 21:03:59  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: whew, I have sound

 21:04:10  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i will be in the mtns in 2 weeks camping

 21:04:11  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: Dr. T is very normal

 21:04:14  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: Lisa P, don't jynkx me

 21:04:25  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: great loony hiker

 21:04:28  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.exalead.com/

 21:04:55  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: http://voicethread.com

 21:05:06  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: http://ed.voicethread.com

 21:05:12  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i've been roped into the relay for life again this year - need to buy a tent

 21:05:26  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: Durff you are a great supporter.

 21:05:40  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i had no choice

 21:05:50  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Ok, everyone, my job is to get your questions and comments to Sylvia, so if I miss something, send me a private message - double click on my name on the right

 21:06:04  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i've been so excited about tonite. we got home from travelin and could be here for the live show!

 21:06:04  Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: My chat keeps freezing

 21:06:09  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: great job Cheri, be explicit.

 21:06:11  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: aye, aye ma'am

 21:06:13  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: Hi all.

 21:06:19  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: Lisa, which browser?> which platform?

 21:06:26  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: gotcha, cheryl

 21:06:28  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: good directions

 21:06:28  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: hi arvind

 21:06:29  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: hello briancsmith

 21:06:37  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi there lisa

 21:06:40  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Cheryl

 21:06:44  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: I saw the report and it is great! Good information to share with admin and parents

 21:06:50  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: Loony you get an award for running home

 21:07:02  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: Second time this week some one dropped the word "hackles"

 21:07:06  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: evening arvind

 21:07:07  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: lol, put 11,000 miles on my car but i made it here tonite

 21:07:12  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi cheryl

 21:07:27  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: my ears perk up when i hear "plethora"

 21:07:40  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: that must hve been sharon!

 21:07:46  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: did the report have a plethora of information? :)

 21:07:52  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: When I hear "plethora" I think of The Three Amigos

 21:07:58  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: why

 21:08:04  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: sure thing! 3 amigos

 21:08:12  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: Sharon, i'd like to see the report - diane.hammond@gmail.com

 21:08:28  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: wow, Sylvia Martinez! Bringing in the big-time guests :)

 21:08:41  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: so glad to be here when a celebrity is here

 21:08:48  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: Diane, you would love - it disputes an earlier report out of Ontario

 21:08:54  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: Gary Stager sent an email about the conference this week

 21:08:56  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: absolutely, loonyhiker

 21:08:57  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: Perfect!

 21:09:00  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: I gotta send some of my staff there

 21:09:40  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: Papert and Jonassen are my key influences

 21:09:52  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: like to have that link

 21:09:58  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: http://papert.org/

 21:10:01  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: ty

 21:10:06  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: fabulous thanks!!

 21:10:22  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: seymour papert

 21:10:29  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: http://papert.org/works.html

 21:10:30  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Mindstorms

 21:10:47  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: The Children's Machine

 21:10:54  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: children's machine: rethinking school in the age of the computer

 21:11:36  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: Working on OLPC now as a matter of fact!

 21:11:48  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hey Matt

 21:11:52  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: hey matt

 21:11:54  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: very nice, olpc, i like my little green laptop

 21:12:04  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: Hey y'all

 21:12:58  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: hello matt, welcome to this rocking evening

 21:13:00  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: we reinvent things before we look to see if it's been done/written before us

 21:13:16  thekyleguy -> -EdTechTalk: I borrowed MindStorms a little while ago, but haven't picked it up. Will before bed

 21:13:24  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @brian very true - we all need to be history majors

 21:13:35  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: funny how we pick things up when we need to

 21:14:29  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: HOw is that new USB robitics stuff from LEGO??

 21:14:32  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: have to write an AT eval but didn't want to miss Wow and Sylvia Martinez

 21:14:38  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: That's well put.. "you never get to get good at anything"

 21:14:54  stevesoko -> -EdTechTalk: I am sorry folks, I found that Papert and Logo was abused and mis-taught.

 21:14:56  paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: It all changes so quickly

 21:14:57  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: @matt I have a classroom set if you want to check it out

 21:14:59  Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: rebooting helped...now I'm getting chat and stream...hoping it lasts

 21:15:09  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: We move on to the next unit of study just as students take to it sometimes

 21:15:17  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan I have to prepare for a workshop, but this is more fun.

 21:15:17  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: where is the extention? 

 21:15:20  fceblog -> -EdTechTalk: "the tirany of the new"

 21:15:29  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: I want to reintroduce terrapin logo to my middle school kids next year.

 21:15:41  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @janicestearns - I have perfected the skill of procrastination

 21:15:47  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: derrallg...I will take you up on that offer for certain

 21:15:54  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: :)

 21:15:55  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: @stevesoko - agreed... and that was why it was phased out at one of the schools I worked at - it was separated out of the other programs instead of being integrated

 21:16:06  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: :)

 21:16:07  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: http://nlvm.usu.edu/en/nav/vlibrary.html   great math games

 21:16:16  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: hello Steve!

 21:16:29  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I like scratch for teaching programming due to the online community that the kids join...

 21:16:37  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: I

 21:16:38  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: I

 21:16:45  stevesoko -> -EdTechTalk: Sorry again to the point that I saw kids crawling with green blankets on their backs so they would learn to program. It never worked.

 21:16:59  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: I'll be working with/teaching Processing next year: http://processing.org

 21:17:06  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: hello tvanprooyen

 21:17:11  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I like the scratch online network because it gets kids working collaboratively on programing

 21:17:14  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Traci

 21:17:22  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: hello tvanprooyen, welcome

 21:17:39  tvanprooyen -> -EdTechTalk: thanks - still trying to hear...

 21:17:40  stevesoko -> -EdTechTalk: Papert said in Mindstorms would change the world. It did not.

 21:17:42  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: programming was too often taught without allowing kids to collaborate with one another...

 21:17:56  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: Nice to have a chance to listen to wow again- been either sick or too busy trying to catch up for the last month. Learn something new every time.

 21:18:07  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I love Scrath because it is all about remixing and collaboration

 21:18:09  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: welcome maureen

 21:18:11  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: well maureen, glad you are here this evening

 21:18:27  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks

 21:18:35  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Terrapin Turtles

 21:18:38  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: I think he's trying to teach a turtle to turn!

 21:18:50  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: That's what i was thinking!

 21:18:55  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: I have one of those turtles in the closet!

 21:18:55  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: acting it out, is what I think he means.  No?

 21:18:59  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Learning to act out the programming

 21:19:13  stevesoko -> -EdTechTalk: OK to teach LOGO you would make kids crawl w/ green blankets.

 21:19:23  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: Mind/Body

 21:19:51  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: "great way to debug logo"

 21:19:52  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: hi Ann

 21:19:56  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: absolutely matt, our students like it and will be sharing it with others

 21:19:58  stevesoko -> -EdTechTalk: To teach and learn Logo well you need to understand circle geometry. Everybody just drew flowers.

 21:20:07  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr We used to do the same thing with LOGO - having kids act out the program - no costumes, though

 21:20:26  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: Hi - Sounds like an interesting talk. Sorry I missed the first 15 minutes.

 21:20:28  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: I love watching children doing that.

 21:20:51  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: My daughter does similar faces when she's working on the XO

 21:21:02  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: It's helping kids build spatial reasoning.

 21:21:10  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: I have to run, but thanks for the convo. WIll catch the podcast

 21:21:11  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Ann, the podcast will be up tomorrow, you can hear the 1st 15 min. then.

 21:21:13  bmuench -> -EdTechTalk: we like to make all the kids do the same thing

 21:21:17  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: exactly

 21:21:20  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: bye arvin

 21:21:26  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: arvind

 21:21:29  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: I still have to turn the map upside down- ugh!

 21:21:33  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: bye Cheryl

 21:21:38  arvind -> -EdTechTalk: goodnight all

 21:21:39  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: me too lindnitsche

 21:21:40  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: this is why the robotics and programming is great becasue the robot acts out the programming

 21:21:42  bmuench -> -EdTechTalk: me too! linda!

 21:21:42  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @cheryloakes I've been keeping up with the podcasts lately. Thanks.

 21:21:55  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: Orienting your map... many a disagreement with my spouse about that!

 21:22:00  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: glad you have been using them, the podcasts

 21:22:50  stevesoko -> -EdTechTalk: Over and over i would get kids who had been taught Logo before me. I would stand them at the door and ask them, to program themselves to get down the row to the other corner of the room. Huh? We just drew pictures. It was cool!

 21:22:52  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: Does anyone do Logo programming outside of Turtle Graphics?

 21:23:34  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: steve, I like that idea!

 21:23:44  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: hello kstevens77

 21:24:42  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Ann-NJTechTeacher I've done Microworlds with students.

 21:24:43  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: hellow cheryl getting here late, playing golf and eating sonic. what's the topic for tonight

 21:24:56  stevesoko -> -EdTechTalk: @cheryl - but it NEVER taught them to think in teh revolutionary way Papert said it would. He was the Holy Grail for a long time and it was just bushwah.

 21:25:07  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: agreed Sylvia...kids are an untapped resource...

 21:25:15  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: I've looked at their site. I wish I could play with it before I decide to buy it. Don't see a trial option.

 21:25:16  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: we have sylvia martinez here, talking about genyes and student power

 21:25:29  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: it almost seems so obvious to include students, but it doesn't happen...

 21:25:31  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: make students the center of what's happening at the school

 21:25:41  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: great focus

 21:25:44  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: hey Pam!

 21:25:44  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @stevesoko I disagree. We saw tremendous results with students in our afterschool program

 21:25:51  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: hi pam

 21:25:52  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: Hi all! 

 21:25:55  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @colleenk I hope to learn more about microworlds at the consortium before NECC.

 21:25:58  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: evening pam

 21:26:12  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: It's been awhile.  Nice to be back!

 21:26:23  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: Here is a statement from the Report I mentioned earlier - a recommendation : Encourage young technology users to work with adults to teache them more abou tthe technologies, and show them confidence in their expertise.

 21:26:24  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: does this mean you are out of school pma?

 21:26:25  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: How are you funded? Do schools pay for your services?

 21:26:26  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: pam?

 21:26:29  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: I didn't even know Microworld was still around. Used it with students many years ago.

 21:26:30  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen That's a great place to learn it. You will really be amazed by what your students will be able to do.

 21:26:30  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I gotta say...Scratch is awesome...I don't use LOGO anymore in the middle school

 21:26:46  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @ Ann I think there is a 30 day trial- I know I downloaded something last year and never got to play with it

 21:27:07  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: I'll have to look for a trial again.

 21:27:22  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: @cheryl - students done Fri, one more week for me.  Winding down!

 21:27:24  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @matt I didn't use Logo this year, but I think I'm going to go back to it a bit next year.

 21:27:26  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: www.genyes.com

 21:27:27  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: www.genyes.com

 21:27:38  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: PT3?

 21:27:46  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: we are winding down too, June 20.

 21:27:48  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @ann...what LOGO environment do you use??  Microwolrds?

 21:27:52  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: tech integration is hard - and textbooks and paper based materials/worksheets are easy but they don't help students learn better.

 21:28:04  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: here here Karen/jan

 21:28:05  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @matt ACSLogo - Mac only

 21:28:06  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: love how sylvia stresses empowering students

 21:28:09  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @janicestearns http://www.microworlds.com/

 21:28:15  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: @karenjan, have you survived graduation?

 21:28:21  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @ann...ahh

 21:28:25  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan - more work for teachers, students, everyone - but everyone learns

 21:28:28  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: YES! son graduated on Sunday

 21:28:29  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Yep. Thanks @colleenk

 21:28:34  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: congrats

 21:28:51  dharland -> -EdTechTalk: I agree. Students are smarter than we give them credit for.

 21:28:54  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: I let my kids use Scratch if they have free time and do a little with ALice with my older kids, but would like to spend a little time on logical thinking with MS kids and use PC Logo for it- makes the programming piece a little more separate- maybe clearer?

 21:28:58  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: Congrats! @KarenJan!

 21:29:05  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: the new microworlds looks cool...I like how it has the capacity to program the logo robotics devices...has anyone used the new microwolrds to do this??

 21:29:25  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: how do we help teachers not be intimidated by the increased work load which is actually best practice?

 21:29:33  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: thanks @lindan

 21:29:41  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen/bcdtech I totally agree with that. Much more focused.

 21:29:42  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: @matt - say more about microworlds

 21:29:51  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen I had trouble running Alice on the older machines in the room, so I gave up for now.

 21:29:54  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan - how do we reduce class sizes and increase parental involvement?

 21:30:00  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: karenjan, struggling with that. like sylvia said, if it was easy, it would have happened

 21:30:10  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.genyes.com/freeresources/#research

 21:30:12  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I do recall reading an article a few years back that sugested the teaching of prgoramming in early grades and middle school was more or less a waste of time as far as future success with programming goes...

 21:30:22  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @Brian - thanks

 21:30:24  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: it takes work, but it is necessary, and it is worth it

 21:30:34  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: first podcasting activities totally driven by students. i downloaded the program and demonstrated nothing. simply gave my expectations. they figured everything out on their own

 21:30:35  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @cherit - what does parental involvement look like? HS teachers really don't want parents involved

 21:30:36  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: She did!?

 21:30:42  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: Wow I didn't know that!

 21:30:47  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @mattmontagne Why would that be?

 21:30:54  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan - neither do higher ed faculty :-)

 21:31:37  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @pam.up until this year I used microworlds for teaching programming with LOGO...we used the old version...the new version looks kind of cool and like I said, I believe it has the capacity to program the new LEGO stuff

 21:31:39  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @matt gary stager was saying he uses Microworlds with really young (1st/2nd/3rd) graders. I'd like to see what he does with them.

 21:31:51  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: Interesting... how many teachers learn a lot, but students don't?

 21:32:06  bmuench -> -EdTechTalk: hi gnoack

 21:32:10  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: I think Sylvia must live close to me, since Davidson is a few miles from me. Hmm. in LA area

 21:32:22  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @Ann I use win XP 512 ram- it does get a little cranky- lots of stuff is stored in the cache and it needs to be restarted at times. When I used it at CMU we were on macs- those fancy white ones... and there were some things that just don't work as well on macs- and storytelling alice doesn't run on mac at all- too bad- it's fun!!

 21:32:25  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @collen...not totally certain, but I do recall reading that paper about the utility of programming instruction at early grades/middle school

 21:33:03  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I guess when u think about it, most real world programmers are porbably mostly self taught for starters...I could be wrong about that, but I don't think so

 21:33:06  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: yes, just because you taught it doesn't mean they learned it

 21:33:29  bmuench -> -EdTechTalk: that's the skill kids need - self starting!

 21:33:31  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen I have those white ones. Newer flat screens like it, though.

 21:33:40  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: I do too! :)

 21:33:45  bmuench -> -EdTechTalk: teachers need that skill too

 21:33:59  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I like scratch not necessarily to prepare kids for future programming, but because it encourages discovery based learning, cooperation, collaboration and creativity...

 21:34:09  Kimmy -> -EdTechTalk: who is speaking...sorry I arrived late

 21:34:11  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: just try it!

 21:34:21  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: Sylvia Martinez

 21:34:21  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @Ann I love the ones in our graphics lab- play with piclens on them- just because I love the display :)

 21:34:22  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @matt My experience with students has been different. Good experiences they had at a young age stayed with them. Improved over time.

 21:34:24  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: sylvia martinez genyes

 21:34:35  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @Matt My 5th-8th really loved Scratch. I'll do more with it next year, too.

 21:35:14  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: can school culture be changed at all?

 21:35:17  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen I know what you mean.

 21:35:34  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @Ann...I love the online scratch community...to me, this is a huge part of the whole scratch philosophy...

 21:35:37  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Great philosophy

 21:35:50  paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff in small chuncks.  Good question

 21:35:52  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff school culture MUST be changed. u just gotta keep beating it into people.

 21:35:52  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Let go and let them

 21:35:54  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: That's just what teachers need to do with inquiry-based learning too

 21:36:08  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: The fact that they invite you into their schools means they're already thinking in the right direction.

 21:36:10  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @Matt Met some of the students from Life Long Kindergarten in October - they were great introducing Scratch. Really involved.

 21:36:12  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: They will find a way.

 21:36:13  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: anyone going to the Constructing Modern Knowledge Conference in July with Sylvia, Gary Stager, Alfie Kohn, Peter Reynolds, etc?

 21:36:15  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @ Matt Talking to Wanda Dunn ( Alice) lots of stats about using Alice with kids show that they do better with CS in college.  Don't know how far down it translates- but they are using Alice with MS now- my kids love it and it's OK that I can't figure eveything out

 21:36:22  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff Yes - just takes patience, persistence

 21:36:26  paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: @karenjan I am

 21:36:37  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Today I did a workshop with teachers. Let them go. We need to model it more with teachers.

 21:36:49  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: or should the culture be so radically shaken that what we call school comes out so different as to be unrecognizable?

 21:36:51  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @paul I am also

 21:36:57  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff school culture starts w/ admin and teachers, but ultimately has to reach the kids. the drive the moral and have the numbers

 21:37:05  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen...thanks for sharing that...interesting...

 21:37:11  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan @PaulRWood I'll be there

 21:37:15  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: what about the taxpayers?

 21:37:17  bmuench -> -EdTechTalk: @janice did anyone say "what am I supposed to do?"

 21:37:21  dharland -> -EdTechTalk: Modeling is key for hs teachers, but finding them in the area sometimes difficult

 21:37:23  paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan look forward to meeting you there.  Going to NECC?

 21:37:25  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @Durff - I'm trying to shake things up for the preservice teachers I work with

 21:37:26  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, @colleen - can't wait to see you again

 21:37:32  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Sylvia: You might be interested in this conference that happened on Friday. Many presentations wer by students http://mainelearns.org/studentconference/conf08/

 21:37:34  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff It may be just that 50 years in the future

 21:37:42  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan i believe that @paulrwood is going

 21:37:45  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @paul - no, waiting til next year when it's on the east coast

 21:37:49  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: not many are it would seem Dr. T

 21:37:54  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff Schools seem to move slow. I guess it takes us getting in front of a lot of new teachers

 21:37:58  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan I put in for it, but don't think the school will let me do it..$$ They are paying for NECC, and I just asked for BLC and Manchester as well- we are allocated 350/yr... whoops

 21:38:02  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: No. Suprisingly. Show them, let them talk, then let them figure out the rest. It worked. I'm happy.

 21:38:15  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: thanks alice

 21:38:22  bmuench -> -EdTechTalk: @janice fantastic!

 21:38:38  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers are changing.

 21:38:43  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen/bcdtech Will you be at BLC?

 21:38:53  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: but is school changing

 21:38:53  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: YES!!!

 21:38:53  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen - where do you live? can you just go to the Edublogger conf on Monday of the BLC (free) and then go to Manchester?

 21:39:06  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: or putting on a new costume?

 21:39:11  paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: @colleenk Look forward to meeting you also

 21:39:20  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: And you need to design the assessment piece first.

 21:39:27  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: @msdurff That's the question that needs to be asked more often.

 21:39:43  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: @Slyvia, in GA we have parents who feel that "teacher as facilitator" model has failed our children as evidenced by the recent 40% failure rate in Math state test.

 21:39:49  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i'm asking....who will answer?

 21:40:01  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: oh send kathy, that is so sad, what happened

 21:40:04  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: There's so much room for students to demonstrate learning in authentic assessment.

 21:40:17  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: we implemented Investigations

 21:40:19  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy one test?

 21:40:22  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: durff, questions, what costume would my school wear?

 21:40:23  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: by Scott Foresman

 21:40:23  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy What grade levels?

 21:40:28  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy - is there a direct correlation or is it just coincidence and getting blamed

 21:40:30  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: all

 21:40:33  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: @kathy are they testing the wrong things?

 21:40:34  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: my school is fairly traditional...we moved towards semester projects in some of our middle school classes instead of a cumulative exam...many kids complained about the project and said they would've preferred an exam

 21:40:39  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy Perhaps they didn't facilitate so well.

 21:40:58  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @Traci - you keep getting kicked out?

 21:41:06  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan I can drive to Boston in ~3 hours so may be able to do the free day...would love to be able to attend the whole thing. NH is too far to commute- but my dad lives an hour from there- so if school will pay for the conference I would drive from my dad's and not stay at motel

 21:41:09  paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: @matt that is easier for them they don't want to dig deep all the time

 21:41:10  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: only one 21st century skill... where did you save the file.  (Stager)

 21:41:15  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: The implementation was half a---ed so yes, that is part of it but the parents insist that research shows direct instruction in math is most effective

 21:41:18  tvanprooyen -> -EdTechTalk: @working on getting volume

 21:41:18  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @matt montagne kids complained b/c project requires thinking. exams require memorization. project better assessment of skils

 21:41:21  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: @matt montgne Some students aren't comfortable at first.It's hard to be self directed.

 21:41:23  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @mattm An exam is the known- doesn't require real thought

 21:41:26  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: we are going back to direct inst this year for math

 21:41:32  tvanprooyen -> -EdTechTalk: @cheri working on volume

 21:41:37  colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy - Elementary only or MS and HS, too?

 21:41:38  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: @cheryl isn't NCLB just another way of testing more to force outcomes - remember OBE?

 21:41:49  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: I think the kids preferred the exam because the exam, for some of them, can be much less work than a sustained project (some kids on an exam don't study and get an A, some don't study and get a D, some study for hours and hours and get a C, etc)

 21:42:08  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: with an exam, some students can just choose to be lazy and not study

 21:42:10  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy direct instruction to students who are not ready for the instruction is good either

 21:42:12  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i don't give tests

 21:42:17  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: with a project, they have to be involved

 21:42:24  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: That is so true - students are schooled to like sitting back and not having to work

 21:42:30  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: yes they do matt

 21:42:39  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: Some students have to be chased down on projects. It can be harder for a teacher. Everyone sits for the test and it's done.

 21:42:41  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: @durff, yes, NCLB is the testing to demonstrate what needs to happen, however, the answers to those questions won't get them a job

 21:42:49  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: and they have the privilege of earning an "F"

 21:42:52  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @matt with a project it is obvious if you didn't do any work

 21:42:53  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @mattmontagne - we've taken the fun out of learning and programmed them to be robotic thinkers

 21:43:07  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: My "good" students hate collaborative projects

 21:43:10  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @kstevens77...you nailed it...that is exactly why the kids complained...

 21:43:28  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: great conversations happening.

 21:43:30  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Your "good" students play school so very well.

 21:43:33  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: even with projects we often forget to ask for student input

 21:43:35  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: They hate to have to collaborate- feel like they have to pull the whole weight

 21:43:37  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: we r finishing final exam. i do not give out study guide, class creates sstudy guide using various activities. some students complained b/c i would not give a sheet of what 2 study and what 2 forget

 21:43:46  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan...agreed...kids like the test because they can just "get it over with."

 21:43:49  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: The good students have to carry the not-so-good students

 21:43:50  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: @linda, you are right, I think in this case the county put the cart before the horse and in tipped over

 21:43:51  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: THey know what hoops to go through for the A. It's easier!

 21:43:52  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen Who is helping them understand how to manage in a collaborative project?

 21:43:55  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: @kstevens77 great idea

 21:43:57  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Process is much harder

 21:44:06  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: but aren't we preparing them for life after school or preparing them for product-based schools

 21:44:08  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: Collaborative projects make you interact. Middle school students can be cranky on a good day sometimes.

 21:44:18  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @Alice - much harder and they don't like being responsible for their own learning

 21:44:22  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: my LD son preferred projects but was always assigned papers or tests

 21:44:27  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @Ann LOL

 21:44:44  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @cherit exactly, but when aked for feedback they always say they learned SO much more

 21:44:48  Paul Bogush -> -EdTechTalk: @kstevens77  why not tell them what is on the test?  If that is what you want them to know...

 21:44:50  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @Linda You know what i mean.

 21:44:56  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @lindanitsche I figured out this year with my 7th grade- collaboration has to be taught- they've been taught to compete for grades

 21:45:10  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Dean Shareski says that unless his students have taught the tasks he can't be sure that they've learned

 21:45:11  gnoack -> -EdTechTalk: i did a digital story for the first time, I was amazed at how many skills and learning was involved

 21:45:19  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i've met w/ employers who want students trained in collaborating and team work

 21:45:27  alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen  Sad but often true

 21:45:29  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen, good point about collaboration vs competition

 21:45:37  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @gnoack It's true - there are so many pieces.

 21:45:50  karen dennis -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen, I agree, my students at the university don't know how to collabaorate on projects

 21:45:51  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @paul bogush i want them to know how 2 evaluate information. i don't want them to memorize terms. i feel review sheets discredits everything else they studies during semester.

 21:45:52  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: the solution will have to involve those who are paying for their kids to receive this 'free' education

 21:45:55  briancsmith -> -EdTechTalk: Gotta go folks... thanks Sylvia!

 21:46:01  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: a crisis in demand

 21:46:09  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: bye BrianSmith

 21:46:09  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: bye brianc

 21:46:11  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: bye brian

 21:46:16  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: bye brian

 21:46:18  fceblog -> -EdTechTalk: bye Brian

 21:46:18  paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: @kstevens77 Good points and reasons

 21:46:31  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: my at risk students actually think outside of the box better than the others

 21:46:34  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @paul bogush i also teach literature and give them new passages so they can demonstrate the skills rather than what spark notes tells them

 21:47:12  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: amen to that!

 21:47:16  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: With an enthusiastic teacher - you can do amazing things.

 21:47:19  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @loonyhiker I found that my "weak" group did a whole lot better on collaborative projects than my "bright" group...fewer egos on the line

 21:47:20  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: iEARN is being highlighted by Sylvia

 21:47:32  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @matt montagne what discipline/level do you teach. are finals required at your school?

 21:47:32  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: In my district we did a project-based assessment of technology literacy that aligns with the 8th grade SS curriculum

 21:47:36  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @loonyhiker Many of my gifted students struggle with out of the box thinking. They are so used to having the right answer and not knowing if they are right is frightening for them.

 21:47:39  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: It doesn't have to be the latest and greatest. I learned that my first years at my school

 21:47:52  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: Interesing how the teachers reacted...

 21:47:57  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: @shoemap that's terrific.

 21:48:13  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: some were used to worksheets didn't like it much

 21:48:20  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: I hope I can be very innovative since I will be in a low tech classroom this year for the first time

 21:48:27  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @lindanitsche saw an old fortune 500 mag that said a lot of the major ceo's were at risk students who were able to think outside the box

 21:48:29  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: hello bud, welcome

 21:48:45  Bud -> -EdTechTalk: Hi, Cheryl!

 21:48:50  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: send kathy where are you moving to classroom?

 21:48:59  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: yup

 21:49:03  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @loonyhiker OOOhhh find that magazine for me

 21:49:07  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: I am going to third grade!

 21:49:14  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: when are you going sharon?

 21:49:15  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: K to 3rd, hm.

 21:49:16  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @okay, i will

 21:49:21  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @linda

 21:49:29  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: I'm very excited about the curriculum but nervous about doing without my Promethean

 21:49:30  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @cheri t shareski nailed it. unless you can tell someone else the information, u really do not know it.

 21:49:37  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @send kathy What grade were you with this year?

 21:49:41  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @loonyhiker They also learned how to work, work through struggles

 21:49:46  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: oh, sure, that would be your lifeline!

 21:49:47  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: I've been in K for 4 years

 21:50:02  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: @kstearns...I'm a middle school instructional technology coordinator...our middle school does require comprehensive final exams in 7th and 8th grade at the end of each semester...this is to prepare them for test taking in high school. I'm very opposed to this...our 8th grade history teacher and science teacher tried projects and had decent success this year...

 21:50:22  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: I have been trying to make a whiteboard pen but I'm afraid I am soder-impaired!

 21:50:28  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: Sylvia why hasn't it worked? why do they fall back on the old methods that are comfortable for them but don't promote learning?

 21:50:30  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: We're getting one board next year through a prize. Can't wait to finally have one in the school.

 21:50:33  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy I did K for 13 years and then got switched to gr 1-3 and 6-9.. culture shock

 21:50:45  gnoack -> -EdTechTalk: the kids are going to force teacher to change when the walk into the classroom with laptops.

 21:50:46  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: I'll bet!

 21:50:56  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: @kathy doesn't the pen come with the board?

 21:50:58  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: But great range of experience for you maureen

 21:51:04  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: yes, we have to fix this or it's professional malpractice!

 21:51:26  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff I will not have a board!  I am trying to make one of those John Lee thingys

 21:51:32  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: @send kathy Find a friend of a friend or friend of a family

 21:51:46  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: LOL, you mean and electrical engineer!

 21:51:50  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: I am looking

 21:51:51  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan Just think if we had to take out malpractice insurance as teachers

 21:51:52  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: @kathy ah Kung Foo style

 21:52:01  Denise -> -EdTechTalk: could you please give me the url for the "iron global collaboration" ssite sylvia mentioned?  i may have the name wrong...tried to google it but can't find it.

 21:52:16  Bud -> -EdTechTalk: You mean that kids still are human beings?  Say that lots more.  And louder.

 21:52:16  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: Actually I saw another how to on replacing the LED bulb on a regular pen light, looked much easier

 21:52:24  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: Denise, it is iEarn

 21:52:28  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: yes, and they want to contribute in meaningful ways

 21:52:30  Denise -> -EdTechTalk: thank you

 21:52:35  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @matt montagne funny how middle school give finals 2 prepare 4 high school. i feel in high school we do the same to prepare for college. i only took finals in weedout classes. once in major it was all papers and reseach. very few exams.

 21:52:36  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: iEARN, for global collab

 21:52:37  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: @kathy i could never do that

 21:52:37  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Yeah!

 21:53:01  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: I think the kids that are in elementary school now will demand a very different experience in high school.

 21:53:01  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: ALisa!  mean neither! but i'm still trying

 21:53:03  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: can we agree to abolish finals?

 21:53:18  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy I bought a photon light. I'll dm you i twitter since I can't seem to get the link into the chat.

 21:53:20  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: computers are disruptive tools to the traditional teaching method...if the teaching methods don't change, there will always be friction with technology

 21:53:24  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy I have that on my list this summer- looked easy, but I don't solder either...may have to wait for my son to come back from AK or borrow someone's handy husband. We have no $ and no whiteboards, would like to try one

 21:53:37  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.iearn.org/

 21:53:55  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.iearn.org/

 21:53:58  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: @janice, thx, I'll turn on twitter, of course I'm sendkathy there too!

 21:54:04  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: Cheryl.... great minds....

 21:54:20  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: do you think teachers are more motivated to change if they have kids of their own?

 21:54:22  Bud -> -EdTechTalk: Keep preachin', Sylvia.

 21:54:24  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.photonlight.com/IR-Infrared-LED-Lights-Specialty-LED-Lights-p... for no solder ir  pen.

 21:54:32  Ann-NJTechTeacher -> -EdTechTalk: Good night all

 21:54:34  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: we have a very traditional schedule at my school (40 minute teaching periods)...I must say, using technology for projects during these traditional blocks that support lecture is a real challenge

 21:54:38  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @sharonp Are you working on a project through iEarn?

 21:54:40  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: whiteboards don't do me any good

 21:54:42  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Sylvia, right on!

 21:54:55  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: we have two and i can't get near them

 21:55:00  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: saw the Wii remote smart board last week - one of our IT consultants put one together - it REALLY works!!

 21:55:03  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: exactly

 21:55:05  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen!  I should really post a picture of my masterpiece!  I texted one to Jen Wagner and she was ROFL

 21:55:07  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: @matt - yes, difficult to do in 40 minute block.  We need to change the structure of schools

 21:55:11  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: that was my motive, @karenjan I was suggesting to the teacher that she would want her grandchildren to have a good model for learning how to use the tools to communicate with the world.

 21:55:13  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: they're hungry

 21:55:16  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: very popular with the primary grades

 21:55:24  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers need to loosen up

 21:55:30  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @cheryl - how did she respond?

 21:55:40  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: Giving up control is a problem for many teachers

 21:55:43  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: she was puzzled, and had no idea.

 21:55:51  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: my laptop is about to die...nice chatting with y'all

 21:55:54  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @sendkathy- post it to twitter-twitpix?  Love to see it

 21:55:58  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: bye matt

 21:56:01  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: bye matt

 21:56:05  matt montagne -> -EdTechTalk: great show as usual

 21:56:06  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: I have my work cut out for me with this group

 21:56:09  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: bye matt

 21:56:13  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: bye matt

 21:56:16  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: I visited the MET and High Tech High last week in San Diego. Students are amazing. Our kids, all kids can do it.

 21:56:18  stevesoko -> -EdTechTalk: bye matt

 21:56:19  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan good questions. not sure. i would be interested to hear rationale for those teachers who do

 21:56:52  fceblog -> -EdTechTalk: @shoemap Giving up control is a problem of changing mindset. Hard yup.

 21:56:59  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: great conversation - I"ve procrastinated enough and HAVE to get this AT evaluation written

 21:57:04  KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: goodnight all

 21:57:06  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: Meg was fantastic

 21:57:11  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: night karenJan

 21:57:13  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: By KarenJan

 21:57:22  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: reminder: This will be a podcast tomorrow. Thanks for joining us and making the chat so alive tonight!

 21:57:23  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: bye I mean

 21:57:26  paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: Goodnight @KarenJan

 21:57:30  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: nite karenjan

 21:57:30  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: great! I will plan to dine with her again!

 21:57:34  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: bye Karen

 21:57:41  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: and her mom!

 21:57:46  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: Where's Jen tonight?

 21:57:57  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @shoemap - funeral

 21:58:02  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: ooohhh

 21:58:04  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: Jen is at a funeral, Vicki in the mtns. with family camping

 21:58:10  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: @lindanitsche - have not worked with iEARN, have heard great things about it - there is a cst.... just haven't fournd myself in a context to work with iEARN

 21:58:20  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: there is a COST

 21:58:27  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: Cheri Toledo is sitting in with us tonight!!

 21:58:38  Bud -> -EdTechTalk: You're a wise blogger, Sylvia.

 21:58:57  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: The nice thing about working outside of particular school boards is you can remove yourself from the politics and just focus on what's right.

 21:59:08  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: yes, i need to be careful what i say on my blog

 21:59:14  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: inever was nice to my principal when i was in public education

 21:59:19  Bud -> -EdTechTalk: @diane h - is there ever an environment free of politics?

 21:59:20  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @sharonp yes I was contacted by them for my project- still need to consider it as a possibility

 21:59:22  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: poor guy

 21:59:26  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: great to be retired too and become an educational consultant

 21:59:32  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff LOL

 21:59:34  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff :)

 21:59:39  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: @loony - sounds great

 21:59:44  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: he retired

 21:59:45  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i feel i can be honest w/o worrying about my job

 21:59:49  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: go figure

 22:00:07  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: jealous loony, but love watching your travels

 22:00:11  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: @Bud true enough. But in some organizations the politics don't cripple you.

 22:00:18  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: lol i miss the classroom tho

 22:00:24  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: It's a roundup

 22:00:37  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: @durff I wasn't nice to my head of school and he switched me out of K and put me in middle school- pays to be nice... someday maybe I will get the filter on my mouth fixed and not say what I think

 22:00:48  Bud -> -EdTechTalk: @diane h - true, too - but are schools necessarily the crippling forces?

 22:00:50  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: anyone know when sharon is going to Africa?

 22:00:52  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: good luck with that maureen

 22:00:54  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: that's great, sharon!!

 22:00:55  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: i love teaching tchrs tho, and sharing what i think is right and not politcally correct

 22:01:06  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: TIme flies always on this show. Especially today.

 22:01:09  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: @ durff july

 22:01:09  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: thank u sylvia - u were wonderful!

 22:01:16  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: thanks cheryl

 22:01:17  Michael_R -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you both so much!

 22:01:28  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Oh Great!

 22:01:31  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: thank you wow women too!

 22:01:33  kstevens77 -> -EdTechTalk: thanks sylvia and cheryl

 22:01:35  chrisssve -> -EdTechTalk: thanks Sylvia Martinez. Much food for thought regarding engaging students. Live in a tech "poor" school environment, so it's nice to be inspired. Interesting "chat" in the chatroom as well. good night.

 22:01:36  stevesoko -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you, Sylvia!

 22:01:38  Denise -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you for an awesome discussion, I've learned so much!

 22:01:41  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: How cool. I will try to get home on time.

 22:01:44  fceblog -> -EdTechTalk: Pleasure listing to Sylvia. Thank you.

 22:01:50  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Love their podcast

 22:01:52  fceblog -> -EdTechTalk: oops listening

 22:01:55  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: Konrad!

 22:01:56  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you so much Sylvia!

 22:01:59  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: Good night everyone!

 22:02:01  Bud -> -EdTechTalk: ed tech posse on WOW is like having G.I. Joe on the Transformers.  Weird.  In a good way.

 22:02:02  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: Dr. G

 22:02:04  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you Sylvia

 22:02:08  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: Night all, will keep you posted on my wii - pen project! Great Show Ladies!

 22:02:09  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: @linda when i find the article i'll let u know

 22:02:16  celliott -> -EdTechTalk: Hello Group, I've just connected but hope to get here earlier next time.  Enjoy listening to the podcast but it 11.00am Wed here in Australia

 22:02:18  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: Sylvia, thanks so much and to Cheryl and Sharon.

 22:02:21  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: be careful kathy

 22:02:26  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: will do!

 22:02:33  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: @loonyhiker Twitter me- that would be great!

 22:02:37  Bud -> -EdTechTalk: looking forward to the podcast of the completeconversation

 22:02:39  sylviamartinez -> -EdTechTalk: thanks to all the chatters!

 22:02:40  sendkathy -> -EdTechTalk: you too! Go to Germany!

 22:02:48  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i hope

 22:02:50  karendennis -> -EdTechTalk: thanks for a great discussion.  I've learned lots and had a great time too

 22:02:53  paulrwood -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks ladies.  Lots of great info tonight.

 22:02:55  sylviamartinez -> -EdTechTalk: i tried to watch but it was flying by!

 22:02:55  loonyhiker -> -EdTechTalk: night y'all

 22:03:02  janicestearns -> -EdTechTalk: night all.

 22:03:07  lindanitsche -> -EdTechTalk: Night all

 22:03:08  maureen/bcdtech -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks Good NIght!

 22:03:08  mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: nite

 22:03:11  derrallg -> -EdTechTalk: night

 22:03:12  shoemap -> -EdTechTalk: Gnight

 22:03:13  cheryloakes wow2.0 -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks to Sylvia so much

 22:03:17  dennisar -> -EdTechTalk: thanks - night

 22:03:22  Diane H -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks Sylvia and good luck with furture endeavours!

 22:03:27  cheri t -> -EdTechTalk: thanks ISU doc students!!!

 22:03:56  sharonp -> -EdTechTalk: June 26 I am leaving for Cape Town, then flying from there to Nairobi Kenya on July 19 for another 3 weeks

 22:06:49  Michael_R -> -EdTechTalk: good night

 



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