Conversations - Show 3 - 2008-08-03

Lisa Parisi and Maria Knee are joined by Alice Barr and Pamela Livingston to discuss changes in school environments.  They tackled such questions as "What changes do we want to see in a school environment and why?  How do we help create change?  What holds us back?  Why are some teachers so eager for change while others avoid it?"

Chat Archive:

2008-08-03 10:43:42 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: Getting ready for conversations.
2008-08-03 11:15:32 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: getting started
2008-08-03 11:16:10 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Lisa
2008-08-03 11:18:39 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: Hello Lori - thanks for joining us
2008-08-03 11:25:48 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: Good morning JL
2008-08-03 11:26:04 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: hi from muggy NH!
2008-08-03 11:26:57 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: We will be starting the stream soon.  Welcome all.
2008-08-03 11:27:24 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: morning
2008-08-03 11:28:31 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: I think the stream is starting.
2008-08-03 11:28:50 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: hi paul thanks for coming in
2008-08-03 11:28:59 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: I streamed successfully Jeff...
2008-08-03 11:29:16 [Message] JL -> -EdTechTalk: Hello all
2008-08-03 11:29:23 [Message] JL -> -EdTechTalk: I never had any doubt Lisa
2008-08-03 11:30:27 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hello everyone. STream is up.
2008-08-03 11:30:34 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: I can hear you fine
2008-08-03 11:32:13 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: sounds fine to me
2008-08-03 11:32:40 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: It's fine, a little loud Maria, but I can lower my volume :-)
2008-08-03 11:34:17 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Welcome everyone
2008-08-03 11:34:28 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: Good morning all!
2008-08-03 11:34:36 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: Morning!
2008-08-03 11:34:38 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: @colleenk morning nice to see you
2008-08-03 11:34:41 [Message] sheila -> -EdTechTalk: Lee was my Mac buddy!  :)
2008-08-03 11:34:54 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @lori Good to see you, too.
2008-08-03 11:34:54 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Colleen, ALice
2008-08-03 11:35:00 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Maureen
2008-08-03 11:35:31 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen Hello!
2008-08-03 11:36:27 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hello mr.balcom
2008-08-03 11:36:36 [Message] mrbalcom -> -EdTechTalk: Good morning.
2008-08-03 11:38:18 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: First they need to understand that they need to be a learner as the teacher
2008-08-03 11:39:01 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @cathyE That's the hardest part, I think
2008-08-03 11:39:17 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I have a new head of school this year. He has actually asked me to set up a meeting with him to talk about this- change at the school level, vs individual change. So, I'm hoping to see some leadership.
2008-08-03 11:39:25 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: As I have said before, How do we get teachers excited about learning new stuff?
2008-08-03 11:39:43 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Bcdtech/Maureen That's awesome!
2008-08-03 11:39:55 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @alice I end up doing it one by one.. baby steps
2008-08-03 11:40:29 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @MAureen Me too... but now there is such a big difference in classrooms that the kids really notice
2008-08-03 11:40:30 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: My district is sending groups from each school to Personal Learning Community conferences
2008-08-03 11:40:46 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @CAthy E example?
2008-08-03 11:40:55 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: If the admin at whatever level that means for you, is not onboard, does not share a vision- it doesn't happen
2008-08-03 11:41:11 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr Do you ever have an opportunity to do district wide workshops like the courses you ran at the university? (not necessarily you but someone who was able to do so).
2008-08-03 11:41:28 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: The district does need to have a vision
2008-08-03 11:41:37 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @coleenK we run 2 classes (for credit) per year
2008-08-03 11:41:45 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: For our teachers
2008-08-03 11:41:49 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: Otherwise only a handful of teachers will even think about embracing the changes
2008-08-03 11:42:04 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr Does everyone attend? What's the outcome?
2008-08-03 11:42:05 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I also heard thru the grapevine that the new head and the 2 asst heads are now in charge of all PD- that they will mandate it
2008-08-03 11:42:26 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: This is the conference I just attended - http://go.solution-tree.com/plc/
2008-08-03 11:42:39 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Anyone want to join in the skype call?
2008-08-03 11:42:51 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: we are just happy we have new computers finally in our lab - 1-1 is a long time away in my district
2008-08-03 11:43:03 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @coleenk It is not "required" but we have about 20 -30 per year. Outcomes is usually a small change which is great. Tends to be mostly Elementarry and middle school
2008-08-03 11:43:20 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: How can you balance all the teaching teachers with all of your work in the classroom? I find that I have no free time at all.
2008-08-03 11:43:26 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: our school board is micro managing and holding tight on purse strings
2008-08-03 11:44:08 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @cathy thanks fo rthe link
2008-08-03 11:44:12 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: smartboards only change the classroom if the teacher knows how to engage the students and change instruction
2008-08-03 11:44:22 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen That's why something like K-12 online should be mandatory. Let others do the teaching.
2008-08-03 11:44:56 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: I'm coming!
2008-08-03 11:44:59 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @colleen- I absolutely LOVE k12 online- what an eyeopener that was for me!!
2008-08-03 11:45:31 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: cathy answer the call
2008-08-03 11:45:40 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen Maybe it would have the same effect on others at school. They just don't know about these opportunities.
2008-08-03 11:46:16 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @colleen But my teachers need to see someone "real" "just a classroom teacher" that they actually know do it. If they know the person, they can use the if so and so can do it, I can.
2008-08-03 11:46:25 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Awareness is a huge part of it. Teachers still think the learning opportunity has to come to them - they don't always know where to find the 24-7 learning online.
2008-08-03 11:46:56 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: As the tech facilitator in my school, I only have a few teachers on board with changing the way they instruct
2008-08-03 11:47:00 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @sarah If you aren't comfortable with technology, then using tech to teach tech, doesn't work
2008-08-03 11:47:19 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Sarah That's so true. I am always amazed by what teachers I know..don't know as far as online PD goes.
2008-08-03 11:48:00 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: many teachers don't want to do their own PD on their own time
2008-08-03 11:48:04 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @Colleenk I love the idea of K-12 Online COnference being mandatory. We use the sessions in our class.
2008-08-03 11:48:20 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen Are there really teachers who aren't comfortable accessing info online these days?
2008-08-03 11:48:25 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @ Maria You are so lucky to have that kind of support!
2008-08-03 11:48:54 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @COLEENK  I would say yes. Easier not to
2008-08-03 11:49:13 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: @lori a That's a concern all around. The concept that 15-20 minutes a day might really make a difference is not always well received.
2008-08-03 11:49:19 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @colleen- You need to come visit. I have teachers that I have to help log on to check their email... again and again. It's just resistance. Fear of the unknown
2008-08-03 11:49:29 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr Wow, that is kind of surprising.
2008-08-03 11:49:37 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: http://1-to-1learning.blogspot.com/
2008-08-03 11:49:49 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: I too have teachers I have to keep showing them over and over again simple skills
2008-08-03 11:50:00 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Pamela's blog
2008-08-03 11:50:34 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I checked Pamela's blog last night- loved the article on constructivist learning.
2008-08-03 11:50:47 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Interesting wasn't it, Maureen?
2008-08-03 11:50:50 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen @lori Is age a factor or just lack of tech use in general?
2008-08-03 11:50:58 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr manages to make things accessible for those of us OUTside her district too!  Thanks Alice!
2008-08-03 11:51:11 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @colleen- it is partly age, but not always
2008-08-03 11:51:35 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa It made so much sense to me!
2008-08-03 11:52:01 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: sometimes age, sometimes, just don't have tech at home, or feel need to use it
2008-08-03 11:52:51 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: sometimes teachers comfort level with only what they have at home, how they use tech at home, dom't transfer knowledge from one app to another
2008-08-03 11:53:17 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Ginger
2008-08-03 11:53:28 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: mainelearns.org
2008-08-03 11:53:32 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: yes, must change how to instruct
2008-08-03 11:54:22 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: I think that teaching style and pedagogy is what keeps some folks from trying new things in the classroom
2008-08-03 11:56:34 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @sarahS Welcome :D
2008-08-03 11:57:02 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: It's always up to the teacher to figure out what minimal scaffolding each student needs, even in the constructivist model.
2008-08-03 11:57:07 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Hey there Alice!
2008-08-03 11:57:20 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: Maybe it also has something to do with personal satisfaction levels. Some people are content with what they do. The people who embrace tech seem to the people who strive for better and better learning experiences.
2008-08-03 11:57:37 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I totally agree with the article... If I am brand new to something, I get very frustrated not having the information I need. I attended CMK 08 and that was how I felt- frustrated.
2008-08-03 11:57:40 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @sarah S MAent to say you're welcome... How was Castine?
2008-08-03 11:57:41 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Vygotsky's proximal development ideas include the person with the expertise for support.
2008-08-03 11:58:06 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Castine was fun. Also just had a great week with Gary last week.
2008-08-03 11:58:18 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: absolutely need the scaffolding from the "expertise in the room"
2008-08-03 11:58:28 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa Ihad the same problem at NECC...and I had the same problem in NH.
2008-08-03 11:58:46 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Karen!
2008-08-03 11:59:09 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: Hi, Lisa - took me awhile to get in - had to reboot. FF didn't like edtechtalk
2008-08-03 11:59:15 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen There was no support for programming. I understand your frustration.
2008-08-03 11:59:17 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Cathy
2008-08-03 11:59:18 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: I think there needs to be some prior knowledge, mini lessons to help get started
2008-08-03 11:59:22 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Hey there KarenJan
2008-08-03 11:59:27 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: Morning Lisa
2008-08-03 11:59:28 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Karen
2008-08-03 11:59:34 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: Hi, fellow CMKers!
2008-08-03 11:59:47 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: still processing through the info from that conference
2008-08-03 12:00:08 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: @karenjan No kidding! I'm finally recovered enough to think about a blog post. :)
2008-08-03 12:00:17 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: reading Papert now - will see him on Wednesday
2008-08-03 12:00:22 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I think that just like any other approach- it's not all or nothing!
2008-08-03 12:00:38 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @sarahs @KarenJan @ColeenK sounds like a fabulous week!
2008-08-03 12:01:05 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Neither do they have the confidence to pick away at whatever is before them to figure out where they DO have knowledge and to start constructing from there.
2008-08-03 12:01:09 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @alicebarr - in a very different way for me - much new information, expanded my view of educational technology!
2008-08-03 12:02:04 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: wow - how can you not know cut and paste in 2008!!!!!!
2008-08-03 12:02:11 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: copy and paste, oops
2008-08-03 12:02:16 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Vocabulary is key - I found that when I was trying to program in logo last week. I really wanted a dictionary of some sort, but no one had one.
2008-08-03 12:03:02 [Message] GingerTPLC -> -EdTechTalk: Sorry I'm not talking. Just lurking, listening in the background as I'm writing very important email. *meh*
2008-08-03 12:03:09 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: too bad they shut down instead of rising to the challenge to realize what they didn't know
2008-08-03 12:03:26 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lparisi This is exactly what was missing for me with both of Stager's conferences. I need careful structure/scaffolding to learn something that is either brand new to me.
2008-08-03 12:03:43 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Maureen do you want to come into the conversation?
2008-08-03 12:03:53 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan I shut down when I feel stupid and don't get the help I need
2008-08-03 12:04:01 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: me too Maureen
2008-08-03 12:04:09 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lparisi- no mike today, thanks
2008-08-03 12:04:12 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen Just like our students do.
2008-08-03 12:04:52 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @colleenk How do you as a teacher, be sure to recognize this as what it is- instead of lack of interest
2008-08-03 12:04:57 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @bcd - no one wants to be seen as stupid, and yet for many of our students that is what every day is like for them
2008-08-03 12:05:26 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen I usually ask questions that help determine what's going on.
2008-08-03 12:05:47 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @lparisi - did you use those responses to help them understand where some of their students are coming from?
2008-08-03 12:05:49 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I'm going to tell the kids about my experience at CMK and how dumb I felt and let them know that I need to know, if I don't notice, when I do this to them
2008-08-03 12:06:14 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen I think that's a good idea.
2008-08-03 12:07:06 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @bcd - I think it really did take all four days to synthesize everything. much of what was presented in terms of programming was BRAND NEW for me. Thank goodness for Colleen and Maria
2008-08-03 12:07:09 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: amen Lisa yes
2008-08-03 12:07:09 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: Some teachers are not 21st cent teachers - they do not want to take responsibility for their own learning
2008-08-03 12:07:14 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: @karenjan I didn't get it until it was too late
2008-08-03 12:07:40 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @lparisi I think some of my teachers need 1:1 too. It's just much for them
2008-08-03 12:07:53 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: has anyone tried to download and ue Kevein Honeycutt's keyring?  I know one group in SC who reformatted it to a publisher file
2008-08-03 12:08:02 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan I had had enough after 3 days- that's why I left
2008-08-03 12:08:03 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: the response was exciting
2008-08-03 12:08:06 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: I loved the opportunity to try something totally new, outside my comfort zone. 
2008-08-03 12:08:22 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: thye gave them out after a training on their district services traiing
2008-08-03 12:08:32 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Cathyjo - do you have a link to that?
2008-08-03 12:08:38 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: ill hunt
2008-08-03 12:08:47 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: two years ago my district paid teachers a bonus for getting technology CEUs
2008-08-03 12:08:56 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: oh wait--for Kevin's? its on his website-->an excel file
2008-08-03 12:08:56 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @sarahs - me, too, and also seeing how it fits into my prior knowledge - lots of mental gymnastics
2008-08-03 12:08:59 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: looking
2008-08-03 12:09:09 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Sarah It worked well for you. You did amazing work.
2008-08-03 12:09:16 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: This year we are paying teachers forward- they are going to get the bonus
2008-08-03 12:09:30 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: @colleenk Thanks - your car was great too!
2008-08-03 12:09:38 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @sarah - yes, you were part of the G & T group!!!
2008-08-03 12:09:44 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers i work with tend to learn technology when they take grad classes or if you pay them to take classes if they do't use it in their personal life
2008-08-03 12:09:44 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: so if they don't learn the tech they will feel guilty?
2008-08-03 12:10:00 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: The financial incentive is key for many teachers - and it's just not happening in our district.
2008-08-03 12:10:42 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: http://kevinhoneycutt.org
2008-08-03 12:10:49 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @sarah - I worry about that - what we are saying is that this is of no value, or too hard, or not worth knowing UNLESS we attach an external reward
2008-08-03 12:10:50 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks Cathyjo!
2008-08-03 12:10:54 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: the keyring is there
2008-08-03 12:11:01 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: in diff formats
2008-08-03 12:11:02 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: It's about valuing time.
2008-08-03 12:11:22 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: i share all things in my networks--at school, on lib lists, ning, etc
2008-08-03 12:11:33 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: People are sacrificing personal time for these pursuits / learning opportunities, and they place a value on that.
2008-08-03 12:11:35 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan I think it has to become part of the lives of teachers
2008-08-03 12:11:45 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: was asked to do a session at our state conf to teach about new tools
2008-08-03 12:11:54 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: am doing a 2 hour 2.0 playground
2008-08-03 12:11:55 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: I share everything but - you can lead a horse to water - you can't force them to drink
2008-08-03 12:12:23 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: Here is Kevin's keychain link and mine http://nhes.wikispaces.com/Staff+Development
2008-08-03 12:12:32 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: @Lori that is the biggest probem
2008-08-03 12:12:41 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @bcd, @sarah - professionals see the need to keep themselves up-to-date, are teachers not necessarily seeing themselves as professionals?
2008-08-03 12:12:47 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: AND it is ok to fail
2008-08-03 12:12:55 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: You can only do things out of your comfort zone with adequate support! If you are not getting the support you need- it does not work.
2008-08-03 12:12:58 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: Nobody is perfect all the time
2008-08-03 12:13:10 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: I agree Maureen.
2008-08-03 12:13:12 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Or teachers have been paid for everything extra for so long there is an expectation there?
2008-08-03 12:13:26 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: i ma trying to take the word "teacher" out of my vocab b/c it gives the sense that "learning" is done and its someone else's turn
2008-08-03 12:13:45 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Or that i'ts enough to be spending hours and hours of "free" time on grading and lesson plans, and enough is enough?
2008-08-03 12:13:46 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: I call my self a learner or learner facilitator
2008-08-03 12:13:53 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I have no problem not knowing everything, making mistakes in front of kids- but I really have a problem with "just do it" with out the support
2008-08-03 12:14:32 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: no
2008-08-03 12:15:28 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: sounds like a personal learning community
2008-08-03 12:15:40 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: @maureen -perhaps the issue this past week for you - was being able to ask the questions for help and being valued for asking those questions.
2008-08-03 12:16:01 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: I love Maria's view of never losing her sense of wonder as a teacher
2008-08-03 12:16:28 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: The Human Side of School Change
2008-08-03 12:16:28 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: The squeaky wheel got the assistance last week, but sometimes there wasn't enough support to go around.
2008-08-03 12:16:33 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hello Mila
2008-08-03 12:16:39 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: I learned alot from Maria this week - she talks about always reviewing learning with her students - how can that be replicated with other grades?
2008-08-03 12:16:46 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: thanks karen - I think helping people get on board is about creating the wonder for learners
2008-08-03 12:16:50 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @MariaK I felt like I asked questions and got diddly squat and just ended up feeling like I could not learn in that environment
2008-08-03 12:16:59 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan IF you do lose that, it's over. You are just going through the motions then.
2008-08-03 12:17:40 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen - when colleen invited me to come do something - it helped me on tuesday.
2008-08-03 12:17:43 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: It does take a supportive environment to take risks, not just a challenge that requires the risk to be taken.
2008-08-03 12:18:16 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: @ Colleen - many teachers are just going through the motions
2008-08-03 12:18:18 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @MariaK I think we received a little too much support, though :)
2008-08-03 12:18:34 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: But as teachers we may not recognize that a student is feeling that way- especially with middle school kids, who enjoy yanking your chain.
2008-08-03 12:18:42 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: I know I didn't learn as much about programming itself as others but my mind was stretched in a variety of ways. One way was reviewing some of the books that Gary brought and learning more about photography and design
2008-08-03 12:18:44 [Message] milapedagogy -> -EdTechTalk: Hello everybody. It took me a while to get in. Sorry
2008-08-03 12:18:58 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: We are all CRAZY that is why we are here on a Sunday morning
2008-08-03 12:18:59 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Cathy E They are doing a disservice to their students. Time to move on.
2008-08-03 12:19:30 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @CathyE You said it :)
2008-08-03 12:19:46 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Everyone wants to know the "best" one tool to use - instead of matching the tool to the need
2008-08-03 12:19:49 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I had my 8th graders evaluate web 2.0 tools. I didn't tell them what to use
2008-08-03 12:19:58 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: @colleen -a LITTLE too much - way too much at times
2008-08-03 12:19:59 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, Sarah, true
2008-08-03 12:20:14 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Sarah That's an excellent point. I think we're moving away from that, though.
2008-08-03 12:20:27 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @bcd - you sound like an excellent teacher, did you have any takeaways from CMK?
2008-08-03 12:20:27 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Teaching or modeling the evaluation process is a key part of it.
2008-08-03 12:20:29 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @MariaK- well, jeez- you should have sent help my way!!
2008-08-03 12:20:55 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: the tools change
2008-08-03 12:21:02 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: I still like using a "tool" to get a teacher's attention
2008-08-03 12:21:04 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen It was lego building help - you didn't need any of that.
2008-08-03 12:21:10 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: I'm finally reading Mindstorms - Seymour is amazing
2008-08-03 12:21:17 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: then show them that many tools will do the same thing
2008-08-03 12:21:28 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @karenJan- yes, do not be sarcastic to my students. Do not make them feel stupid. Do not let them feel the way I felt last week. Scaffold!!
2008-08-03 12:21:48 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: Mindstorms is my favorite tech book and it isn't about technolgy as much as it is about learning
2008-08-03 12:21:55 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan That book changed my life.
2008-08-03 12:22:13 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @colleen - let's talk about that on the drive down to CT
2008-08-03 12:22:16 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: Well, not my life, but how I view learning.
2008-08-03 12:22:45 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @colleen - I can see how that would change views on learning - it's all about learning about learning!
2008-08-03 12:22:49 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: It was the connection to Piaget and others that was powerful
2008-08-03 12:23:07 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: what makes someone an excellent teacher?
2008-08-03 12:23:41 [Message] milapedagogy -> -EdTechTalk: I agree. In every talk I give or teach I start about the concept of learning and teaching and the change
2008-08-03 12:23:49 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan empathy and the toolkit to make kids experience the sense of wonder that you feel.
2008-08-03 12:24:15 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: And that is so sad for the student
2008-08-03 12:24:16 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa - I wonder if they also have been so wounded by other teachers....
2008-08-03 12:24:18 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan The ability to "read" your students and knowing how to meet their needs.
2008-08-03 12:24:36 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan  Now that is a discussion for another day..
2008-08-03 12:24:44 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: :)
2008-08-03 12:24:52 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: HI Pamela
2008-08-03 12:25:11 [Message] Pamela Livingston -> -EdTechTalk: Hi was on Firefox and couldn't see the chat now I see it
2008-08-03 12:25:29 [Message] milapedagogy -> -EdTechTalk: The transition from web 1.0/traditional teaching to Web 2.0/interactive teaching and creative, authentic learning
2008-08-03 12:26:34 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @colleenk, @bcd - so being able to empathize, transfer sense of wonder and meeting students needs is essential to being an excellent teacher. Is it possible to ignore the tools of this generation and still be an excellent teacher?
2008-08-03 12:26:43 [Message] Pamela Livingston -> -EdTechTalk: I blogged on 1-to-1learning.blogspot.com a description of the Cognitive Load concepts
2008-08-03 12:26:56 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks Pamela.
2008-08-03 12:27:01 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: The conversations have no answeres
2008-08-03 12:27:23 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Great conversation MariaK, LParisi, and everyone!
2008-08-03 12:27:26 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan meeting their needs does not exclude the use of tools.
2008-08-03 12:27:35 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: Great job ladies
2008-08-03 12:28:04 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: I'm going to push the K12online a bit too. Using one or two in an afternoon workshop?
2008-08-03 12:28:05 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @colleen - I agree - Lisa said earlier that there are teachers in her school who are excellent but they do not use technology
2008-08-03 12:28:09 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: I am going to add K-12 online as one of my keychain tags
2008-08-03 12:28:13 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan I can't ignore them, but I have some excellent teachers at my school, who do. Would it enhance the kids learning in their classes? I think so...but
2008-08-03 12:28:22 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: keep plugging away - showing our own passion, sharing ideas, try to pull more teachers in - getting admin on board
2008-08-03 12:28:28 [Message] Pamela Livingston -> -EdTechTalk: Also Nings are free and can be created by anyone - an extension of your learning community - can set them up by invite only
2008-08-03 12:28:54 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: @karen  They are excellent not for teaching but for getting kids to love them.  They care about each child.  Doesn't mean they teach each child.
2008-08-03 12:29:14 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I did set up a ning for gr 7-9 this year..that my help push some faculty to use it with their classes.
2008-08-03 12:29:16 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: ooohhh - that's another whole new discussion!
2008-08-03 12:29:29 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: crucial to communicate authenticate caring
2008-08-03 12:29:31 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Having a supportive group for that would be great.
2008-08-03 12:29:36 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: authentic caring
2008-08-03 12:29:47 [Message] milapedagogy -> -EdTechTalk: In my division it is very hard to pull/push professors to use new technologies
2008-08-03 12:30:10 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: It's not ad-free for adults is it? I thought you could only get ad-free for the kids
2008-08-03 12:30:30 [Message] Pamela Livingston -> -EdTechTalk: Will and Sheryl Nussbaum have PLN"s as well
2008-08-03 12:31:38 [Message] milapedagogy -> -EdTechTalk: May be with the new Director of Distance Learning that I happened to be in search committee for, we wil make some steps forward.:)
2008-08-03 12:32:20 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you Maria and Lisa- great show!
2008-08-03 12:32:29 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: great topic!
2008-08-03 12:32:31 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.plurk.com/p/229gx
2008-08-03 12:33:03 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: you need to sell me on plurk - I'm just not getting it
2008-08-03 12:33:09 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Back to the garden :-)
2008-08-03 12:33:23 [Message] alicebarr -> -EdTechTalk: @CathyE Me neither
2008-08-03 12:33:34 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: @bcd - can you post pics to your garden? it sounds like it must be beautiful
2008-08-03 12:33:48 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: lisa - send the plurk link again - i lost the chat
2008-08-03 12:33:51 [Message] Pamela Livingston -> -EdTechTalk: Great conversation so happy to be part of it
2008-08-03 12:33:55 [Message] Sarah S -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks for the show! Great conversation.
2008-08-03 12:33:55 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.plurk.com/p/229gx
2008-08-03 12:33:58 [Message] lori a -> -EdTechTalk: thanks all
2008-08-03 12:33:59 [Message] bcdtech/Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @KarenJan- Sure, I'll twitter when I get them up.
2008-08-03 12:34:16 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: and please dm me so i don't miss them!
2008-08-03 12:34:27 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: interactive whiteboards
2008-08-03 12:34:31 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: more generic term
2008-08-03 12:34:37 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: greatshow!
2008-08-03 12:34:39 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: yes Karen
2008-08-03 12:34:41 [Message] colleenk -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks Lisa and Maria. Another great show!
2008-08-03 12:34:45 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you all for coming
2008-08-03 12:34:48 [Message] milapedagogy -> -EdTechTalk: Where are the topics posted?
2008-08-03 12:35:01 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Give me one minute mila
2008-08-03 12:35:06 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: funny how it was just women today
2008-08-03 12:35:08 [Message] milapedagogy -> -EdTechTalk: thanks
2008-08-03 12:35:40 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: http://ettconversations.blogspot.com/
2008-08-03 12:36:17 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Jeff was here but very quiet.
2008-08-03 12:36:32 [Message] milapedagogy -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you Lisa. I am glad I have joined the team
2008-08-03 12:36:33 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Paul Bogush was in and then left.
2008-08-03 12:36:40 [Message] KarenJan -> -EdTechTalk: enjoy the day everyone
2008-08-03 12:36:41 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Me too Mila
2008-08-03 12:36:45 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Bye Karen
2008-08-03 12:37:32 [Message] milapedagogy -> -EdTechTalk: So -- every Sunday?
2008-08-03 12:38:01 [Message] Lparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, MIla