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EdTechTalk Community Development

 August 11, 2008

Next Session: Monday, August 18 8pmEST (midnight GMT)


 


19:59:19  JohnS -> piano. nice.
20:00:26  JL -> Rob Coslow - "I Do"
20:01:55  JL -> http://edtechtalk.com/node/1492
20:03:46  PeggyG -> Loud and clear :-)
20:03:48  JenM -> hi, all!
20:03:55  sheila (not singing) -> Hi all!
20:03:59  PeggyG -> Don't link to them
20:04:09  minhaaj -> do i have to go to ustream to listen ?
20:04:14  sheila (not singing) -> Was it me?  Oh, no
20:04:38  sheila (not singing) -> :)
20:04:40  PeggyG -> People will think you suport them if you connect to them on LinkedIn
20:04:48  sheila (not singing) -> sounds good
20:04:52  PeggyG -> everyone sounds good
20:05:03  minhaaj -> I am listening to the interview, i am having alot of gas
20:05:07  JL -> http://edtechtalk.com/live  Minhaaj, you stream there
20:06:20  PeggyG -> She didn't get any answers wrong!!
20:06:40  sheila (not singing) -> Until you asked a qsuestion!!!!
20:06:41  PeggyG -> Minhaaj was just pushing her to sing
20:07:17  PeggyG -> You have an agenda?? :-)
20:07:26  sheila (not singing) -> 8.66 cm
20:07:32  PeggyG -> Yes a flow chart right?
20:07:45  JL -> http://www.worldbridges.net/node/3617
20:07:49  JohnS -> approximately, yes.
20:09:04  PeggyG -> Who are the trustees?
20:10:39  PeggyG -> I thought there was some kind of board that included webcasters-one rep per webcast
20:11:04  PeggyG -> I'm probably just confused
20:11:17  JenM -> sorry ... phone rang
20:11:28  JoseRodriguez -> Hi Folks.
20:11:30  PeggyG -> That's sounding familiar :-)
20:12:05  PeggyG -> trustee panel is like exec. committee?
20:12:18  JoseRodriguez -> Do we have a link today?
20:12:26  JenM -> http://www.worldbridges.net/node/3617
20:12:30  JL -> http://www.worldbridges.net/node/3617
20:12:47  JoseRodriguez -> thanks
20:14:31  PeggyG -> It sounds so complex--do you have enough people to cover all of those roles?
20:15:00  JohnS -> Setting up a structure for the long term. Some of these groups might currently only have one person.
20:15:28  JoseRodriguez -> Hey Durff
20:15:33  PeggyG -> Yes Dave and Jeff-founding trustees
20:15:36  mrsdurff -> hey
20:15:41  JenM -> hey Durff!
20:15:43  PeggyG -> Hi Durff
20:16:24  PeggyG -> who are the policy makers?
20:16:47  JohnS -> trustees, I believe, with voice from the others
20:17:18  PeggyG -> is the voice informal or votes?
20:17:40  PeggyG -> who approves/accepts new webcasts?
20:17:50  mrsdurff -> i'm in charge of coffee
20:18:20  PeggyG -> I'll be the cheerleader :-)
20:18:44  Carlos F -> I'll help Lisa to hold the tray
20:18:54  mrsdurff -> there we go!
20:18:54  PeggyG -> LOL
20:19:54  PeggyG -> I think the trustees along with the board (representatives of all of the other shows) would be good--they would all know if the new show would be something different or more of the same
20:20:36  mrsdurff -> sounds like Thomas Jeffersonian ideas
20:21:25  Carlos F -> Wouldn't trustees fonction as censorship? Sorry, back in a moment...
20:21:33  mrsdurff -> true
20:22:09  PeggyG -> the long term connection is really important and valuable
20:22:10  JoseRodriguez -> @dave Only to get the ball rolling.
20:24:23  PeggyG -> trusted users? how do you earn trust?
20:24:40  JL -> history of responsible participation
20:24:51  mrsdurff -> @Peggy being there
20:24:56  JohnS -> it is hard to define, though.
20:25:37  PeggyG -> I think it's important to define it accurately--the way it really works not just on paper (in terms of communication, approval of shows, etc.)
20:25:45  mrsdurff -> it is defining our community
20:27:05  PeggyG -> That's an interesting criteria
20:27:06  JoseRodriguez -> sounds fair....
20:27:22  PeggyG -> you've never been sent to time out :-)
20:27:34  JoseRodriguez -> do we get a lot of content deleted at ETT?
20:27:43  dave -> lots of spam jose
20:27:46  PeggyG -> Good question Jose
20:27:48  dave -> very occasional content
20:27:56  mrsdurff -> agreed jeff
20:27:59  JoseRodriguez -> got it.
20:28:01  dave -> we had a company that was deleted the other day
20:28:13  JoseRodriguez -> I saw that.
20:28:18  dave -> they had made a 'straight ad' that contracdicted our terms of service
20:28:43  dave -> (@jose... just explaining for the record :) )
20:28:46  PeggyG -> Do you have a criteria for people being "eligible" to host an ETT badge on their blog or website?
20:29:07  JohnS -> what does a badge mean?
20:29:10  JoseRodriguez -> We had talked about the servers being paid by community/colletive
20:29:13  mrsdurff -> i don't think we have those peggy
20:29:14  Carlos F -> Ah, now I understand what you mean by trustees ... it would be a way to prevent those unwantable entries
20:29:25  JohnS -> That's interesting. We'd have to adjust the copyright for the badges to control that.
20:29:31  dave -> @carlos adn settling family disputes
20:29:34  PeggyG -> a badge would be something like you see on Ning communities--shows you are a member and supporter/user
20:30:12  mrsdurff -> do we have those and do we want them (i think not)
20:30:24  Carlos F -> To have something like ning would be a solution ... you only get in if invited
20:30:51  PeggyG -> You can join the ETT group on Diigo
20:31:10  mrsdurff -> because ning doesn't stream
20:31:13  mrsdurff -> does it?
20:31:17  Carlos F -> Ning isn't for free
20:31:29  JoseRodriguez -> so what is the difference?
20:31:42  mrsdurff -> me too
20:31:51  mrsdurff -> i have to agree with dave
20:32:00  dave -> ack...
20:32:03  mrsdurff -> surprising but true
20:32:08  JoseRodriguez -> @durff you don't have to
20:32:09  Carlos F -> Ning is like a private space where you interact but not like we are doing here
20:32:40  mrsdurff -> and we may some day
20:33:08  PeggyG -> If you have a more traditional kind of flow chart you wouldn't have overlapping people in the various categories.
20:33:22  mrsdurff -> bingo
20:33:35  PeggyG -> Is this part of the paperwork reduction act?
20:33:42  JoseRodriguez -> so.. what is the objective again???? Create a structure that facilitates what is going on already?
20:33:55  mrsdurff -> :?
20:33:57  PeggyG -> Good question JenM
20:34:21  Carlos F -> Yes, you must avoid burocracy... we, in Portugal, are experts in burocracy and it doesn't work...
20:34:31  JoseRodriguez -> ahhh and supports growth, scalability?
20:34:50  PeggyG -> keep it manageable
20:35:08  mrsdurff -> self-sustaining community
20:35:27  PeggyG -> you need roles not "people" so others can step up and get involved
20:35:27  JoseRodriguez -> true
20:35:41  JoseRodriguez -> @peggy yep
20:36:05  mrsdurff -> CEO = JL
20:36:18  PeggyG -> start by defining the roles
20:36:24  JoseRodriguez -> the "thumb in the cheeck" of Edtechtalk :-)
20:37:24  PeggyG -> If the trustees have to be founding members, why don't you call them that?
20:37:28  mrsdurff -> so write that job description where and by when?
20:37:34  Carlos F -> It's 1:35 AM here and I've got to go... Bye for now
20:37:43  JenM -> by carlos!
20:37:45  PeggyG -> Bye Carlos
20:38:17  PeggyG -> Can it fund itself?
20:38:43  PeggyG -> I like the idea of non-profit
20:38:47  mrsdurff -> i think we are asking too many qts
20:38:59  mrsdurff -> let's narrow the focus
20:39:07  JoseRodriguez -> @peggy that's the idea
20:39:55  PeggyG -> If you define "what is" it makes it easier to create the structure for expansion and growth
20:40:41  PeggyG -> Do you have any existing written job descriptions for what you are doing now?
20:41:02  JoseRodriguez -> @jen... good distinction between maintaining and plan for growth.
20:41:52  mrsdurff -> i don't possess those technical skills to do much that is useful
20:42:15  dave -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecormier/2754568141/
20:42:53  mrsdurff -> so start a page and let us get to work
20:43:00  mrsdurff -> hey parisi
20:43:08  lparisi -> Hello
20:43:30  mrsdurff -> hey lorna
20:43:58  lorna -> hi have you made good decisions
20:43:58  PeggyG -> Could we just start with a page where Jeff and Dave list all of the things they do?
20:44:07  JoseRodriguez -> gotta run...time to take daughters to dance class. 
20:44:15  JohnS -> let's do it here.
20:44:25  JoseRodriguez -> I'll check in later for audio and chat
20:45:46  PeggyG -> Doesn't that all bring you back to the mission statement?
20:47:03  PeggyG -> I like the concept of braintrust educators :-)
20:47:23  PeggyG -> Where in AZ?
20:47:38  PeggyG -> That's where I am-Phoenix AZ
20:50:05  PeggyG -> That makes a lot of sense--to have everyone host their own shows on their own servers-makes it much more manageable
20:50:33  lparisi -> What do we mean by hosting?  The archive part of it or the stream part of it?
20:50:54  JenM -> @lisa ... I THINK they mean the archive
20:51:02  PeggyG -> Hmmm--both archiving and streaming?
20:51:25  lparisi -> We do
20:51:33  lparisi -> Yes
20:52:14  PeggyG -> EdTechTalk becomes the aggregator?
20:52:15  lorna -> I agree with using our own sites
20:52:21  lparisi -> Right now I link to edtechtalk for the archive.  We could do it the other way around.
20:52:59  JohnS -> right, lisa.
20:53:14  PeggyG -> That's such a good point!
20:53:44  JenM -> http://www.archive.org/details/audio
20:54:50  PeggyG -> Would internet archive be a backup or the original storage along with the host server of each content producer?
20:55:26  JohnS -> right. Something like that, Peggy.
20:56:58  JL -> http://www.worldbridges.net/node/3617
20:57:05  dave -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecormier/2754568141/
20:57:15  dave -> http://www.flickr.com/photos/davecormier/2754506579/
20:57:22  PeggyG -> Can we go back to starting by defining roles/job descriptions of everyone who is currently contributing?
20:57:34  PeggyG -> I'm a turtle
20:58:05  lparisi -> That's an Indian tale.
20:58:36  lorna -> can you sum up the conversation with some key thoughts - I came here late
20:59:55  PeggyG -> How can you make suggestions for ways to improve if you don't know what exists? I like the idea of defining the roles
21:00:00  lparisi -> That's true
21:01:19  lorna -> does Jeff have a husband
21:01:46  JenM -> @lorna :)
21:02:31  mrsdurff -> my colleagues don't understand
21:02:41  lparisi -> My colleagues don't care.
21:02:56  mrsdurff -> but we have each other
21:03:11  lparisi -> I don't care about the job application...I just don't know what is needed.
21:03:14  mrsdurff -> really?
21:03:23  mrsdurff -> not you parisi
21:04:44  mrsdurff -> first - create a page
21:05:18  mrsdurff -> second - we will write as a community the job descriptions
21:05:40  mrsdurff -> third - we all have coffee
21:05:47  minhaaj -> sorry got dc. load shedding :)
21:05:59  lorna -> just tell me what to do
21:06:01  JL -> management coordinator
21:06:08  JL -> cms plumber
21:06:11  lparisi -> lorna, that's how I feel
21:06:31  JohnS -> drupal maintenance
21:06:35  JohnS -> server apps
21:06:49  JohnS -> hosting / interfacing with the hosting company
21:06:55  JohnS -> streaming tools
21:06:58  lorna -> switch to wordpress
21:07:04  mrsdurff -> we elected you
21:07:34  JL -> newsletterer
21:07:35  lorna -> pasp uses wo
21:07:35  mrsdurff -> yw
21:07:43  lorna -> wp
21:07:49  JL -> communications officer
21:07:57  mrsdurff -> what gioes in a newletter?
21:08:09  JenM -> whatever YOU want, Lisa :)
21:08:24  lparisi -> Durff...tag, you're it
21:08:35  mrsdurff -> what about monthly
21:08:52  JL -> specific project coordinators
21:09:40  mrsdurff -> is john writing this all down?
21:09:48  JohnS -> I wish.
21:10:00  mrsdurff -> and why not?
21:10:08  JohnS -> I have a feeling someone will be elected to turn this into some sort of sensible document.
21:10:20  mrsdurff -> i elect you
21:10:40  mrsdurff -> dream on
21:10:41  minhaaj -> what are we talking about ?
21:10:42  minhaaj -> :)
21:10:52  minhaaj -> i can't listen ustream :(
21:11:06  lparisi -> Me!
21:11:10  JenM -> communications officer ... responding to community inquiries, too
21:11:16  mrsdurff -> i elect her
21:11:23  lparisi -> No...
21:11:23  JenM -> Done!
21:11:28  JohnS -> @minhaaj we don't really know what we're talking about.
21:11:29  lparisi -> I want to help
21:11:34  minhaaj -> hehe
21:11:35  mrsdurff -> dave - behave
21:11:36  lparisi -> But don't know how
21:11:55  lparisi -> Skype me and I'll telll you what I mean
21:11:55  mrsdurff -> he is being difficult
21:12:12  PeggyG -> I think the point is that you can't volunteer to help if you don't know what kind of help is needed
21:12:26  JohnS -> Amen, Peggy.
21:12:27  lparisi -> yes, peggy!
21:12:39  lorna -> peggy rules
21:12:42  mrsdurff -> i can't imagine that Jeff
21:13:06  PeggyG -> That's why it would help me to see roles/job descriptions in writing along with an organizational chart
21:13:27  mrsdurff -> she will too
21:13:40  PeggyG -> Can't write a newsletter if you don't know what's important to include in it
21:13:49  mrsdurff -> i'll help
21:13:50 [Action] minhaaj -> seems left out.
21:13:57  minhaaj -> Can i help if theres a project ?
21:14:35  PeggyG -> Can't you just put that information on the website?
21:14:41  JL -> sure Minhaaj
21:14:55  minhaaj -> and by the way i am ready to write webcastacademy linux tutorial :)
21:15:23  JL -> excellent Minhaaj
21:15:24  PeggyG -> I look at the website all the time to see what's coming up on the shows--there's just not much detail except for date/time/name
21:15:57  lorna -> just do it
21:16:08  lorna -> jen is right
21:16:14  minhaaj -> Write it on word file and send it ?
21:16:15  JL -> That was an excellent point Jen
21:16:25  minhaaj -> How about i write a post on my blog and you can link to it ?
21:16:31  JenM -> Yeah! Lorna, no ONE has EVER said that on ETT!!!
21:16:34  minhaaj -> or you can mirror it anyways :)
21:16:58  JL -> I think it might be more efficient to have all of that happening within the website itself
21:17:18  minhaaj -> no pro
21:17:19  minhaaj -> prob
21:17:41  mrsdurff -> a database of emails
21:17:57  minhaaj -> i'll get screenshots of everything, only thing new is sound recorder, all other things are same. ustream was pretty normal, so was skype. nothing new
21:18:23  PeggyG -> I would like to see it on the website too
21:18:28  mrsdurff -> parisi = editor?
21:18:53  lorna -> personal commendations and recommendation
21:19:28  PeggyG -> Yes I would be very willing to help but can't figure out what you need
21:19:37  PeggyG -> LOL
21:19:48  mrsdurff -> peggy wants to put the newletter on the website
21:20:01  PeggyG -> I can't write job descriptions because I don't know what the jobs are
21:20:12  JenM -> oops!
21:20:42  JenM -> sorry ... lost my wifi
21:20:45  mrsdurff -> struggle between dave and sense
21:21:06  JenM -> my internet keeps cutting out ...
21:21:28  mrsdurff -> spellcheck
21:21:33  lorna -> CMS - I will get over Drupal and help there
21:22:10  mrsdurff -> let's aim at monthly newsletter for first 3 moths
21:22:20  mrsdurff -> months
21:22:31  lparisi -> durff...you going to be on the team?
21:22:40  JenM -> someone else in house hogging my wifi ... sorry!
21:22:42  mrsdurff -> sure
21:22:51  mrsdurff -> jose probably
21:22:58  lparisi -> Great
21:23:13  lparisi -> We have formed a PR team
21:23:19  lparisi -> or at least a newsletter team
21:23:35  mrsdurff -> part of the PR team
21:24:14  PeggyG -> What's the purpose of the newsletter? to describe upcoming shows or past shows? What else?
21:24:36  mrsdurff -> yeah!
21:24:50  mrsdurff -> dave is agreeing to something
21:24:56  mrsdurff -> quick agree
21:25:06  lparisi -> I agree.
21:25:13  mrsdurff -> i 2nd
21:25:15  JenM -> I heard a bottle cap!
21:25:21  mrsdurff -> motion carried
21:25:24  JohnS -> not mine.
21:26:05  JenM -> Jen
21:26:07  JenM -> To do:
21:26:25  JenM -> what it means to be an "active" ETT community member
21:26:34  mrsdurff -> bingo
21:26:46  minhaaj -> active ETT member - JL
21:26:51  minhaaj -> :)
21:26:54  JenM -> :)
21:27:13  mrsdurff -> i'm praying for you parisi
21:27:23  lparisi -> You're in this with me Durff
21:27:37  mrsdurff -> he's talking to you
21:27:45  lparisi -> He said Lisa.
21:27:56  mrsdurff -> he doesn't call me that
21:27:56  lparisi -> LOL
21:28:05  PeggyG -> Lisa-I'll help you once we figure out what we're doing.
21:28:31  mrsdurff -> what can i do with email?
21:28:59  mrsdurff -> oi veh...they're arguing
21:29:05  PeggyG -> Yes--write down what you do!! :-) everything, not just what you don't like to do
21:29:30  mrsdurff -> so answer the email
21:29:42  PeggyG -> FAQs--those kinds of email questions are often repeaters
21:30:04  lorna -> I think we think Jeff has all of the answers
21:30:21  mrsdurff -> can it those qts be automatically forwarded?
21:30:58  PeggyG -> Forums and FAQs are often the easy way to answer people's questions andto involve others in answering them
21:31:05  lorna -> no one will ever write an email again
21:32:01  mrsdurff -> so how long does email take?
21:32:19  lparisi -> Durff...you're working on the newsletter
21:32:33  mrsdurff -> i can do more than one thing
21:32:34  PeggyG -> Post the next meeting on the site and invite others to join in
21:32:42  mrsdurff -> with my coffee
21:33:08  lparisi -> bye
21:33:11  mrsdurff -> last week before school....
21:33:25  PeggyG -> see you next time-I'll keep checking the site and forum
21:33:31  lparisi -> So Dave...I am waiting for you
21:33:37  mrsdurff -> so next Monday after It's Elementary
21:33:41  mrsdurff -> rightr?
21:34:36  PeggyG -> Watch it!
21:34:42  mrsdurff -> jeff=stickler
21:34:43  PeggyG -> Mac people????
21:35:13  JenM -> need to bond with family ... they think I'm avoiding them ...
21:35:20  JenM -> nite all :)
21:35:21  mrsdurff -> yes
21:35:30  PeggyG -> Then you need to provide instructions for posting...
21:35:45  mrsdurff -> have a better idea?
21:36:25  mrsdurff -> would the shows sort better that way?
21:36:35  PeggyG -> Good night everyone
21:36:38  mrsdurff -> nite
21:36:40  lparisi -> good nite

Comments

Roles and Stuff

How about this?

Board of Trustees

Led by: President of EdTechTalk

Leadership Positions

  • Coordinator of Community Planning -- vision -- what do we want to be if we grow up?
  • Coordinator of Sustainability -- finance, revenue, advertising(?)
  • Coordinator of Community Standards -- policy, standards, etc.
  • Coordinator of Special Projects -- what makes sense to try, in the context of the community and its mission?
  • WB and/or EB Liason

Board of Management

Led by Director of Operations

Leadership Positions

  • Web Site Coordinator -- CMS/Drupal/online presence
  • Coordinator of Operational Support -- HELP!
  • Coordinator of Security -- I know, nobody wants to do it.
  • Coodinator of Future Technologies -- what's next?

Content Producers

Led by Director of Content (Executive Producer?)

Leadership Positions

  • Coordinator of Community Education -- Prof dev, WCA?
  • Coordinator of Communication -- newsletters, email
  • Site Moderator -- forums and stuff
  • Archivist -- tagging / organizing content

Board of Stuff that Doesn't Fit Anywhere Else

Led by Dave
  • Look & Feel, branding, merchandising

Roles & Stuff

You mean what do we want to be WHEN we grow up - most of us will. I think too many cooks spoil the soup. Do we really want to go with a triangle? Why not a hierarchy of bottom layer = all stakeholders in the WB community, managers in the middle layer = roughly 7 - 11 people/leaders/those with technical ability who delegate specific jobs for maintenance/upkeep to stakeholders as they see fit, and a top layer = the founders/CEOs made up of the big kahunas (Jeff, Dave, a third person). I think once we flesh out who is in which layer then the above roles, whether we use the nomenclature or not, can be more easily defined. Opinions?



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