Teachers Teaching Teachers #132 - Cloning VoiceThreads and Catching up with Youth Voices - 12.10.08
Steve Muth and Chris Sloan and a couple of 10th Graders join Paul Allison and Susan Ettenheim on this show from last month.
Click Read more to see a transcript of a chat that was happening during the webcast.
20:49:41 SusanEttenheim: hi scott welcome
20:53:26 SusanEttenheim: hi chris!
20:53:46 SusanEttenheim: hi bill!
20:53:53 Bill O'Neal: HI Sue
20:53:54 Scott Shelhart: Hello there....sorry I was looking at another window
20:54:04 SusanEttenheim: welcome!
20:54:13 Bill O'Neal: Hi Chris
20:54:19 chris sloan: hi, I don't have too long tonight. Got a date with my wife, so I'm good for about 30-45 minutes, okay?
20:54:45 chris sloan: hi bill
20:54:52 SusanEttenheim: k chris
21:02:17 SusanEttenheim: hi lucy!! welcome!
21:02:27 LucyGray: Hey Susan!
21:02:27 SusanEttenheim: how nice!
21:02:43 SusanEttenheim: hi steve and scott - please introduce yourself?
21:02:52 LucyGray: Saw a tweet and I thought I'd pop in
21:02:59 SusanEttenheim: I'm Susan and I'm in NYc - high school
21:03:48 LucyGray: Are you streaming, Susan?
21:04:16 SusanEttenheim: in a few seconds
21:04:21 LucyGray: ahh
21:04:22 LucyGray: okay
21:05:33 SusanEttenheim: hi could you let us know how our sound sounds?
21:06:02 SusanEttenheim: can you hear us now?
21:06:05 prwood: What i heard when I first entered sounded good but not hearing anything now
21:06:20 Bill O'Neal: That was another webcast
21:06:43 prwood: Getting it now
21:06:51 prwood: It is starting to come up
21:06:57 SusanEttenheim: thanks everyone!
21:07:16 SusanEttenheim: so prwood! please introduce yourself - where and what do you teach?
21:07:32 Bill O'Neal: I can barely hear Paul
21:07:55 prwood: I am a Tech Director at Bishop Dunne HS in Dallas TX and I also teach a Theology Class to Jr. & Sr. students
21:08:35 SusanEttenheim: welcoem prwood!
21:08:47 prwood: Yes it is quiet but I can hear you
21:08:58 SusanEttenheim: hi guest 478 welcome!
21:09:12 SusanEttenheim: scott where and what do you teach?
21:09:25 SusanEttenheim: and lucy - what and where?
21:09:33 chris sloan: hi lucy gray. I attended the GTA in Chicago.
21:10:00 SusanEttenheim: thank you for joining us tonight everyone!
21:10:04 LucyGray: Hi Susan and Chris
21:10:14 guest478: :)
21:10:14 LucyGray: I'm Lucy and I work as a tech coach in Chicago
21:10:32 SusanEttenheim: lucy - snowing there?
21:10:35 LucyGray: Chris, where do you work again? Sorry if I am fuzzy
21:10:39 LucyGray: No, but it's coled
21:10:41 LucyGray: cold
21:10:51 SusanEttenheim: scott - hi welcome! what and where do you teach?
21:10:51 LucyGray: it was a snowing a bit yesterday
21:10:53 chris sloan: I teach in Salt Lake City, utah
21:10:56 LucyGray: Ahhh
21:11:00 LucyGray: I talked to you
21:11:01 LucyGray: I remember
21:11:05 LucyGray: Catholic school?
21:11:12 chris sloan: correct
21:11:20 LucyGray: Hi again!
21:11:26 SusanEttenheim: lucy - can we get some "people" from chicago into youth voices?
21:11:31 SusanEttenheim: youthvoices.net
21:11:33 guest478: tech coach... i could use a few of those
21:11:33 LucyGray: Sure
21:11:50 SusanEttenheim: guest478 - where and what grades?
21:11:53 chris sloan: Lucy is VERY knowledgeable about Google tools
21:11:53 LucyGray: Let me get my audio working
21:12:10 LucyGray: I am gaga for Google, that is true. :)
21:12:35 SusanEttenheim: lucy - two different teachers came to me to start docs projects today!
21:12:49 guest478: susan guest478 is still dave cormier...
21:12:49 LucyGray: yay! it's catching on
21:12:57 SusanEttenheim: hi scott - where and what do you teach?
21:13:14 SusanEttenheim: lol guest... thought so just wasn't sure... welcome! and little ones too
21:13:28 LucyGray: oops got bumped out
21:13:33 SusanEttenheim: catching on fast lucy!
21:13:52 SusanEttenheim: hi schott - where and what do you teach?
21:13:53 guest478: posey sleeping on my lap
21:14:09 LucyGray: Susan, here's one of our programs.... they might be potential candidates for Youth Voices
21:14:09 SusanEttenheim: we could skype posey in...
21:14:11 LucyGray: http://iremix.org/
21:14:39 guest478: miche kata
21:14:44 SusanEttenheim: please bring them in! we have no students from chicago... :(
21:14:55 SusanEttenheim: miche kata?
21:15:08 guest478: my korean is getting rusty
21:15:34 SusanEttenheim: there you go... voice thread in korean!
21:15:56 LucyGray: Is there a way to up the volume at all?
21:16:06 SusanEttenheim: we're baffled lucy..
21:16:12 SusanEttenheim: dave - any thougths?
21:16:20 SusanEttenheim: why is our audio low lately?
21:16:24 SusanEttenheim: hi gail welcome!
21:16:55 SusanEttenheim: hi fhaas welcome!
21:17:07 fhaas: Hello.
21:17:08 SusanEttenheim: where and what do you teach? please introduce yourself!
21:17:42 fhaas: English - Hopkinton, MA
21:17:51 fhaas: High school
21:17:57 SusanEttenheim: welcome!
21:18:19 SusanEttenheim: we're about to see your students in youth voices, right?
21:19:04 fhaas: Probably sometime next month, when the new semester starts.
21:19:46 SusanEttenheim: hi james
21:19:48 SusanEttenheim: welcome!
21:19:54 SusanEttenheim: please introduce yourself
21:20:06 SusanEttenheim: fhaas have you used Voice Thread?
21:20:24 fhaas: Yes but not a whole lot.
21:21:06 Scott Shelhart: Hi all. I'm a pre-service elem. teacher from Indiana
21:21:22 SusanEttenheim: welcome scott! do you know Voice Thread?
21:22:06 Scott Shelhart: Yes. I've got an accourt and have experimented a bit, but my EdTech class insists on using PowerPoint :(
21:22:41 SusanEttenheim: ewwww scott - no conversation .... dead end presentation :(
21:23:24 Scott Shelhart: It's a 200 level class. Maybe I can use something better next year.
21:23:24 SusanEttenheim: scott bring them to see the Voice Threads at youthvoices.net and they will change eheir minds!
21:24:14 Gail Desler -> Room 6: Ah, Steve, group feature sounds like a very good idea
21:24:47 LucyGray: Gotta get my kids in bed. Bye Susan!
21:26:24 SusanEttenheim: hi bill - what's doing?
21:29:27 Bill O'Neal: Well, Tom is still awakwe behind me. We had a nasty virus this week over at the school
21:29:53 Bill O'Neal: It's so bad they agreed to take the deep freeze off and let us clean our own machines...
21:30:13 paulallison: fhass would you like to skype in... asking about how to get started on Youth Voices?
21:30:14 Bill O'Neal: I'll be cleaning mine tomorrow... Hopefully...
21:34:24 SusanEttenheim: ugh poor you bill!
21:34:37 prwood: @Bill what virus?
21:35:03 Scott Shelhart: Yes, what one? Wife has been fighting one all week.
21:35:51 SusanEttenheim: lol are we talking computer virus or human viruses?
21:36:11 SusanEttenheim: fhaas - questions?
21:36:22 James Sigler: My wife lost voice from human virus.
21:36:24 Bill O'Neal: Let me check the name... I'll check th e email. I know if you insert a flash drive it cleans the contents... Just a minute, please
21:37:22 Scott Shelhart: Wow. Quite a nasty one. So far all we have is pop-up and slow access.
21:37:56 Gail Desler -> Room 6: can you clarify diff between bookmarks and discussion items
21:38:45 Gail Desler -> Room 6: Ah, so it's an annotate bookmark
21:40:20 Bill O'Neal: Hmmm the virus is not named. I know one of my pcs had quite a few trojans on it... Here's an excerpt the text from the district: "As you know the district's system was infiltrated by a virus over the Thanksgiving recess. Many of our machines have been infected and, due to the amount of time it takes to clear the virus on each machine, our efforts to get all computers in the district back up and running is taking much longer than first anticipated. If you feel that you are computer savvy and would like to clear your own machines, I have attached a set of Virus Removal Directions. Also attached is a list of the Deep Freeze Passwords. It is very important to follow each step in the directions because if a step is missed, the virus will not be removed properly. "
21:41:20 prwood: Interesting about the virus
21:41:49 Gail Desler -> Room 6: Barbie...I have a friend who blames anorexia on Barbie
21:42:07 Bill O'Neal: It does a lot of wierd things... also disabkes the desktop.. Tons of fun... Of course, they are written on Macs...
21:43:06 James Sigler: Mac virus?
21:43:25 Bill O'Neal: No. Not a Mac virus. A PC virus written on a Mac
21:43:37 SusanEttenheim: ok all you teachers out there... what makes you respond to something online?
21:44:07 James Sigler: It has to connect with my interests
21:44:17 Bill O'Neal: Gee it has to either be really good or else hit a nerve, I suppose
21:44:44 SusanEttenheim: james does it need to intrigue you too?
21:44:50 James Sigler: Either something I passionately agree or disagree with
21:44:50 SusanEttenheim: connect in what way?
21:45:04 SusanEttenheim: I must say I read a lot but don't respond often...
21:45:34 SusanEttenheim: so does that mean that we need to teach students to write like newspaper headlines?
21:45:47 James Sigler: I think through ideas when I write, so it needs to be something that makes me think
21:47:54 James Sigler: Maybe headline-like for an attention getting Subject, but it needs to been deeper than an article
21:48:25 SusanEttenheim: how interesting since so many people talk about the Internet being more superficial
21:48:59 prwood: I think Wes Fryer did a blog post about the need for a catchy Title to pull people in so I always think about that when I am writing a new blog post.
21:49:36 James Sigler: But it can be deeper in a hyperlinked way because assertions need to be backed up with link references
21:50:42 James Sigler: @prwood I agree. We scan through our feed readers and tend to read the ones with titles that catch our eyes, like headlines
21:51:51 fhaas: I am with you, Susan, on the navigating in Drupal. I am still getting a feel for it as I root around in preparation for bringing the students on board.
21:51:53 prwood: That is the way we have been raised
21:51:57 James Sigler: I often include keywords in my blog titles that might hit people's hot buttons and ge caught in
21:52:01 James Sigler: google serachs
21:52:05 James Sigler: search
21:52:39 SusanEttenheim: yes fhaas - I'm getting more and more comfortable
21:52:41 Scott Shelhart: I agree my Google reader had 400+ today. I read about 30 and trashed the rest. Headlines and open sentances are the deciding factor for me.
21:52:42 SusanEttenheim: too
21:53:32 fhaas: I am not sure that the articles in newspapers are terribly deep much anymore. There certainly are longer features, but I have grown less and less interested in reading the newspaper regularly.
21:53:35 James Sigler: Newspaper articles a by nature objective...passionless
21:54:06 James Sigler: blogs are often all about subjects we are passionate about
21:54:15 SusanEttenheim: one of my students found an interesting quote and it turned out that what was interesting was the comment on the article!
21:54:57 SusanEttenheim: wow James I think a lot of journalists would not be happy to hear you say that!
21:55:31 fhaas: More and more the newspaper articles posted on the web are allowing comments, which sometimes become mroe interesting than the original article.
21:56:00 SusanEttenheim: interesting... my students have recently said that they are tired of fact checking and are more interested in people's opinions on their topics
21:56:02 Gail Desler: @james s - I'm a newspaperman's daughter (sports columnist for the Oakland Tribune in Calif - so sad to see the newspapers vanishing - but it's been happening over the last 60 years.
21:56:40 SusanEttenheim: gail will they vanish or will they just adapt?
21:57:18 Scott Shelhart: Chicago Trib. filed bankruptcy this week....
21:57:27 Gail Desler: So many have truly vanished so I'm not sure about adapting...but how will I know what's on sale at Macy's ;-)
21:57:29 fhaas: Susan- I apologize I think I am out on the talking tonight. I am wrestling with my one year-old, while I type. Fred
21:57:30 SusanEttenheim: yes saw that... hummm
21:57:45 SusanEttenheim: awww have a good evening!
21:57:56 Scott Shelhart: I read my news on my laptop and phone. Haven't bought a paper in years.
21:58:49 Gail Desler: @scott - I'm still keeping my subscription to the Sacramento Bee - but I think they'll fold soon - used to be a very good paper
21:59:25 James Sigler: I enjoy reading some of the comments, especially the critical ones, because they often point out holes in the idea.
21:59:59 Scott Shelhart: @Gail - Many good small papers are allready gone. Shift happens.
22:00:15 fhaas: The shame is that without newspapers the whole notion of hard journalism is really in jeopardy, if it hasn't already started happening.
22:00:34 Bill O'Neal: Night... Once we clean the machines my handful of students will be back in the mix.. Probably Monday.
22:00:37 James Sigler: Information has shifted from expert-created info broadcast out to user-created info aggregated out
22:01:50 Scott Shelhart: True. I can send a pic or video to the 'net in seconds. The man-on-the-street reporter is obsolete.
22:02:19 fhaas: On the music question about feeling - Oliver Sachs (Patch Adams) just came out with a book on that subject.
22:02:24 James Sigler: @fhaas True, will the soft citizen-journalism be as good as the hard newpaper-journalism?
22:03:05 fhaas: @james - I don't think so. But the model will definitely have to change.
22:03:18 James Sigler: Or rather how do we sort out the better journalism from the poorer journalism?
22:03:29 Scott Shelhart: User compiled raw data is better, but I think it takes a pro to seperate the wheat from the chaff and present it to the general public.
22:03:59 SusanEttenheim: and then there is citizen journalism too!
22:04:07 fhaas: That's part of what editors-in-chief were for.
22:04:42 James Sigler: will blogs and citizen journalism help digest the raw data from more perspectives?
22:05:48 James Sigler: So do aggregators allow us to become editors-in-chiefs of our own personal newpapers?
22:06:02 fhaas: I generally have ahard time with the idea of the citizen journalist. They really are eye-witnesses that write. I am not sure I would call it journalism.
22:06:09 James Sigler: Are we all experts now?
22:06:27 Gail Desler: @ james - No
22:07:53 fhaas: Thanks all. It's is always great.
22:08:07 SusanEttenheim: thank you everyone!
22:08:07 James Sigler: So who are becoming the experts when the world of top-down information is dying?
22:08:31 Gail Desler: @James - interesing question!
22:08:46 Gail Desler: Night all
22:09:08 James Sigler: Great conversations. Thanks for making me think