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ETBS.2009-02-26

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Talk with Dave Cormier about a blog post of his: OERs Shining  Light: new textbook model or harbinger of a new imperialism and the comments it generated. Jeff Lebow joins us (@ the 36:00 minute mark), "because no one else will disagree with Dave" and the brainstorm ensues.

NOTE: Would love to revisit the topic with Dave and Jeff, and whomever else would like to weigh in, on a future show.

We also talk about an episode of onlinevisualjams hosted by Nancy White, from the previous afternoon: Audio / Visuals

Tunes: Remix Culture Addict, Wadidyusay?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2009-02-26-chat

 21:01:09  dougsymington ->  hey Jen
 21:01:25  injenuity ->  hey. some crowd!
 21:01:26  dougsymington ->  audio stream running, and you're the 1st to arrive! Welcome
 21:01:29  dougsymington ->  lol
 21:01:33  dougsymington ->  oh ya
 21:02:47  injenuity ->  this site is always so hard to figure out
 21:03:07  dougsymington ->  it does take some navigating
 21:03:22  dougsymington ->  but we've had to mash tools
 21:03:28  dougsymington ->  to get the functionality
 21:03:32  dougsymington ->  hi Scott
 21:03:40  Scott Shelhart ->  Hi there Doug.
 21:04:33  Scott Shelhart ->  Hello Guest
 21:04:34  dougsymington ->  sir guest
 21:04:35  dougsymington ->  welcome
 21:06:17  injenuity ->  I killed it.
 21:06:27  dougsymington ->  get in here
 21:06:48  injenuity ->  does he know I can hear him?
 21:06:51  dougsymington ->  dougsymington in skype to join convo
 21:06:55  Scott Shelhart ->  Link to the post we are discussing pleasee...
 21:07:04  dougsymington ->  stand by
 21:07:22  Scott Shelhart ->  Roger- 10-4
 21:07:27  injenuity -> http://davecormier.com/edblog/2009/02/22/oers-shining-light-new-textbook...
 21:07:33  Scott Shelhart ->  tnx
 21:07:51  injenuity ->  that's how all blogs are
 21:07:55  injenuity ->  blogging is a lie
 21:07:57  injenuity ->  ;)
 21:09:11  Scott Shelhart ->  Hi Peggy
 21:09:49  PeggyG ->  Hi Scott--busy night tonight! there were 200 people in the John Palfrey-Born Digital session.
 21:10:11  Scott Shelhart ->  WOW! 
 21:10:21  injenuity ->  i love OER!
 21:10:32  injenuity ->  we need more.  hire me!
 21:11:05  injenuity ->  quit making stuff
 21:11:32  injenuity ->  i'm biting it
 21:13:07  injenuity ->  and start talking and doing
 21:13:32  Lorna ->  can you drop in the link?
 21:13:44  dougsymington -> http://davecormier.com/edblog/2009/02/22/oers-shining-light-new-textbook...
 21:14:00  Lorna ->  I can hear him
 21:14:06  Lorna ->  go 4 it
 21:16:39  Scott Shelhart ->  Jen is stuck in the revolving door.
 21:16:55  MGuhlin.org ->  Help! Can't hear audio. Which stream?
 21:17:09  Scott Shelhart ->  ETTA uppr right corner
 21:18:00  injenuity ->  I did the graphic recording in a session once http://www.flickr.com/photos/jentropy/tags/cccs/
 21:18:17  PeggyG ->  A & B are definitely more bandwidth friendly.
 21:18:59  dougsymington ->  JL, in the house
 21:19:03  Scott Shelhart ->  @MGuhlin Did you find the audio?
 21:19:05  dougsymington ->  welcome
 21:19:21  injenuity ->  I have an airplane engineer listening in and he uses curvy and straight
 21:19:23  MGuhlin.org ->  Found the aduio but can't get it to play.
 21:19:46  Scott Shelhart ->  I use the black icon (itunes feed) 
 21:20:03  injenuity ->  ok, husband had this discussion at work today
 21:20:05  dougsymington ->  http://edtechtalk.com:8000/listen.pls
 21:20:22  injenuity ->  he says the only way you know if he did his job wrong is if the plane falls out of the sky
 21:20:24  Scott Shelhart ->  thanks doug.  MG.  click on dave's link
 21:20:30  JL ->  listening help at: http://edtechtalk.com/listen
 21:20:31  Scott Shelhart ->  dougs link
 21:20:57  MGuhlin.org ->  yeah, i tried that already. and again. Nope. will restart.
 21:21:40  dougsymington ->  hi Kapil, welcome
 21:22:18  kapil ->  hi everyone
 21:22:56  PeggyG ->  anytime you say "best way" you'll find a difference of opinion :-)
 21:23:16  injenuity ->  I would really like to see a poll of the people promoting remixing OER to see how many of them do it
 21:23:35  kapil ->  are we talking about OER ?
 21:24:04  tjtech ->  Thank you Doug! :D
 21:24:24  PeggyG ->  That's what we started talking about kapil -- kind of a free flowing conversation about many things related to OER
 21:25:52  kapil ->  i did a small project , just remixed science videos from youtube and other video sharing websites jeetv.kapilbhatia.com , it has 300 science videos , fortunately not many schools in india know any thing about blocking youtube
 21:27:19  PeggyG ->  @kapil you share some fantastic resources and are doing wonderful things!! thanks for the link!
 21:29:38  PeggyG ->  welcome back Miguel! hope you have some audio now. You should Skype in :-)
 21:29:43  Lorna ->  @kapil that is excellent work
 21:29:55  MGuhlin.org ->  @PeggyG yes, have audio...zap mamma almost threw me off!
 21:30:12  MGuhlin.org ->  Breaks are great!
 21:30:19  PeggyG ->  hooray! success!
 21:30:31  JL ->  I nominate Dave to be in charge of musical interludes for ETW
 21:30:45  MGuhlin.org ->  cute kids!
 21:30:50  tjtech ->  very sweet
 21:30:55  MGuhlin.org ->  no way! I'm a text freak!
 21:31:02  PeggyG ->  what an adorable picture!!
 21:31:35  kapil ->  http://learn.creativecommons.org/ - its a great resource for OER
 21:31:53  injenuity ->  I have a 2 year old poking me in the eye, so I should probably go
 21:32:08  injenuity ->  thanks for letting me backchannel
 21:32:26  dougsymington ->  thank you
 21:32:41  PeggyG ->  impressed with how easily you slipped in that music to the stream!
 21:33:36  dougsymington ->  ty
 21:33:43  dougsymington ->  @Peggy
 21:34:44  PeggyG ->  I'm having a hard time shifting my paradigm from the open education philosophy of the 60's and 70's to OER and internet.
 21:35:16  kapil ->  i read somewhere that around 300 universities around the world are thinking about doing something on the lines of MIT OCW http://ocwfinder.com/
 21:35:59  kapil ->  not sure about the number
 21:36:17  PeggyG ->  :-) Jeff
 21:37:10  kapil ->  great point
 21:37:22  MGuhlin.org ->  The Internet is the system, unfettered and unmoderated. Should we make everyone filter out what isn't relevant?
 21:37:24  guest478 ->  http://www.jisc.ac.uk/whatwedo/programmes/oer.aspx
 21:37:49  guest478 ->  @miguel but is anyone really able to filter for everyone?
 21:37:52  MGuhlin.org ->  Why should you force others to drink from the firehose? Bringing order to chaos is human
 21:38:49  MGuhlin.org ->  @guest478 sure...gimme the beef...do I really want students to wade through the rest?
 21:38:55  MGuhlin.org ->  How's that for oppositional? ;->
 21:39:05  PeggyG ->  good job Miguel!
 21:39:44  MGuhlin.org ->  Internet=chaos, AcademicER=Order, OER=Chaos/Order Blend
 21:41:28  MGuhlin.org ->  Rhizomatic - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizome_(Philosophy)
 21:43:07  MGuhlin.org ->  Higher level = charter schooling content on the web. The rest make do with OER. OER is better because it's accessible by the masses and updated more? is this wisdom of crowds?
 21:44:03  PeggyG ->  really intrigued by your thoughts Miguel! sure wish you could join the skype call
 21:45:19  MGuhlin.org ->  @PeggyG I think better writing than I do speaking. Sorry. Anyways, just playing with ideas...I'm not putting forward a point of view that i understand deeply.
 21:45:49  MGuhlin.org ->  who is "me?"
 21:45:56  MGuhlin.org ->  I'm late.
 21:46:04  PeggyG ->  but I think I understand you--lot of deep thoughts going on here
 21:46:22  dougsymington ->  http://davecormier.com/edblog/2009/02/22/oers-shining-light-new-textbook...
 21:46:49  PeggyG ->  do you think it isn't sustainable because it doesn't generate funding?
 21:47:03  MGuhlin.org ->  Dave Cormier! Duh!
 21:47:26  kapil ->  i once approached MIT for distributing MIT content in DVDs in India as most people dont have good enough bandwidth for watching videos online
 21:48:10  kapil ->  i got permission for 1000 copies but its very expensive to replicate DVDs
 21:49:25  guest478 ->  http://www.myoops.org/en/
 21:49:38  PeggyG ->  LOL!!
 21:51:09  Lorna ->  want their money's worth
 21:51:50  PeggyG ->  Just saw the Cormier citation on the Rhizome (philosopahy wikipedia entry :-)
 21:52:17  guest478 ->  http://wearemedia.org
 21:53:03  PeggyG ->  I had a hard time finding the students who wanted to be in control of their own learning in my univrsity :-(
 21:53:20  dougsymington ->  hard after all that spoon-feeding
 21:53:31  Lorna ->  link not working on my computer
 21:53:45  PeggyG ->  didn't work for me either
 21:54:00  MGuhlin.org ->  http://www.wearemedia.org
 21:54:24  kapil ->  i see a huge value in OER for developing countries as long as it is not top down
 21:55:02  PeggyG ->  how could OER be top down?
 21:55:41  MGuhlin.org ->  how could i setup edtechtalk live on a district moodle?
 21:55:51  Lorna ->  blush
 21:55:53  MGuhlin.org ->  you know, learning conversations available 24/7
 21:56:07  Lorna ->  cheer
 21:56:08  kapil ->  for me , ETT is attending university and doing one of the best master degree course in edtech
 21:56:40  Lorna ->  I agree kapil
 21:56:52  PeggyG ->  Lorna and her team are awesome facilitators!! I always marvel at how they manage their conversations on their show!
 21:57:29  MGuhlin.org ->  ustream is blocked...no, I want to share EdTechTalk discussions with a schedule and people click to listen
 21:57:45  PeggyG ->  it is for me too kapil!
 21:57:54  Lorna ->  there is a calendar
 21:58:15  Lorna ->  awe ds wants to be on Pasp
 21:58:19  Lorna ->  any time
 21:58:34  Lorna ->  we are doing a speakers corner on MOnday night
 21:58:48  PeggyG ->  probably the best way to share the discussions is via recordings
 21:58:49  kapil ->  it usually starts at 7 am here in india, ETT is making me disciplined :-)
 21:58:53  Lorna ->  everyone is welcoe me to join
 21:58:54  MGuhlin.org ->  yep...RSS. I'll do that.
 21:58:59  Lorna ->  welcome
 21:59:11  guest478 ->  I'm a Mr.
 21:59:13  guest478 ->  :)
 21:59:23  MGuhlin.org ->  Awesome, thanks!
 21:59:53  kapil ->  i want to summarize ETT episodes in 100 words through a wiki for quick reference
 21:59:58  Lorna ->  man I learned way too much tonight
 22:00:12  PeggyG ->  saw someone's Netvibe's page of feeds for all of his Nings--it was a great model
 22:00:26  kapil ->  let me see how we can take that forward
 22:00:47  PeggyG ->  thanks for the stimulating conversation!
 22:01:53  dougsymington ->  thank you Peggy and all
 22:01:55  kapil ->  thanks
 22:01:57  PeggyG ->  night all!
 22:02:37  dougsymington ->  take care all, bye for now
 22:03:17  PeggyG ->  name of the tune again?
 



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