Conversations #83 - November 14, 2010
How do we deal with atypical students? Do we even have typical students?
11:27:59 Sheila -> : Welcome all to the "Conversations" show!
11:27:59 MariaK -> : Glad everyone can make it for Conversations - Lisa, Maria and Sheila will be on air momentarily!
11:28:13 MariaK -> : having our own "conversation"
11:28:25 Sheila -> : Changing colors
11:28:46 Sheila -> : changing again
11:28:58 MariaK -> : make up your mind!
11:32:01 Sheila -> : Morning Maureen!
11:32:11 Maureen -> : Hi Sheila
11:32:32 Maureen -> : Taking a break from writing a million grades and comments
11:32:51 Maureen -> : really only 130+ half pages
11:33:12 Sheila -> : That's a lot!
11:33:25 Maureen -> : I teach 6 grades... it adds up
11:33:59 Sheila -> : Ustream is on. Can you hear ok?
11:34:04 Maureen -> : That's not new Maria- i always enjoy silly
11:34:09 Maureen -> : Yes ustream is up
11:34:17 Sheila -> : THanks Maureen!
11:34:18 minhaaj -> : yep Sheila
11:34:32 Sheila -> : :) Minhaaj!
11:34:32 creyes5361 -> : I do not hear anything
11:34:35 Maureen -> : @sheila- the little screen is black, but audio is clear
11:34:47 Maureen -> : Hi Karen
11:34:56 minhaaj -> : its supposed to be black unless they are streaming video too
11:35:12 Maureen -> : now the ustream is up and showing the chat
11:35:32 Lisa Parisi -> : Press play button on ustream to get audio
11:36:13 Maureen -> : Good morning Peggy
11:36:19 PeggyG -> : Hi everyone!
11:36:24 Lisa Parisi -> : Good morning everyone.
11:36:50 PeggyG -> : I feel like I was in Florida for the launch thanks to you Sheila!!!!
11:36:53 McTeach (Karen) -> : Hi Maureen
11:36:57 Maureen -> : I spent my "hoilday" grading. Feel deprived- beautiful weather and I'm stuck inside writing comments
11:37:01 McTeach (Karen) -> : Good morning everyone!
11:37:17 PeggyG -> : so sorry Maureen!!
11:37:18 Cheryl W -> : Good Morning everyone!
11:37:28 PeggyG -> : Hi McTeach! and you were grading too, right???
11:37:31 Sheila -> : I agree Maureen!
11:37:42 Sheila -> : Welcome everyone!
11:38:01 McTeach (Karen) -> : Peggy...um, well...
11:38:05 Maureen -> : I hadn't planned on going anywhere today- was in pjs writing comments. Then the painter showed up to do the trim. WOuld have been nice to know he was coming. Felt silly in pjs
11:38:22 PeggyG -> : no worries Maureen!! :-)
11:38:44 PeggyG -> : that sounds like a plan Lisa!! finishing up projects this week!!
11:39:07 PeggyG -> : I saw that! hub for teachers
11:39:18 Maureen -> : I've finished up most- since grades closed on Friday for our term. Planning on playing in scratch in many of the classes til TG
11:40:22 Lisa Parisi -> : http://hubforteachers.discoveryeducation.com/
11:40:32 PeggyG -> : is it sponsored by Discovery Ed?
11:41:34 PeggyG -> : http://hubforteachers.com/storytelling-in-classroom/index.cfm another great link on the site for "storytelling in the classroom"
11:42:13 McTeach (Karen) -> : Taking the kids into the woods??? That sounds so wrong.
11:42:19 PeggyG -> : what an awesome student teacher!!!!
11:43:47 creyes5361 -> : I can hear everyone
11:43:48 MariaK -> : http://classblogmeister.com/blog.php?blog_id=1236527&mode=comment&user_i...
11:43:50 Lisa Parisi -> : LOL Karen
11:44:05 Lisa Parisi -> : Hooray, Creyes
11:44:08 PeggyG -> : what fun!!!!
11:44:15 Maureen -> : Animoto was quick for me this fall, altho in the past they took forever. I made accts for al the kids- since they have to put ages. Parents gave permission, but still have put a +13 birthday on signups. Better me than them.
11:44:18 McTeach (Karen) -> : Ah...gotcha!
11:44:29 creyes5361 -> : Hooray for everyone
11:44:30 PeggyG -> : coming from someone who took her middle schoolers camping for an entire week!!
11:44:41 McTeach (Karen) -> : We don't have woods nearby...just 7/11. :)
11:44:46 PeggyG -> : :-)
11:44:51 creyes5361 -> : I hear the voices and see on the screen the users.
11:45:23 creyes5361 -> : Where are the woods Karen?
11:45:45 PeggyG -> : sounds like you're hearing and seeing everything creyes :-)
11:45:47 McTeach (Karen) -> : @creyes No woods around here.
11:46:32 PeggyG -> : they are learning something...it just may not be what the teacher is teaching...
11:46:56 creyes5361 -> : Where is the visual in the chat live? Just audio?
11:47:03 Lisa Parisi -> : No visual
11:47:08 PeggyG -> : click on play on the ustream
11:47:15 PeggyG -> : that is all the visual there is...
11:47:19 McTeach (Karen) -> : Maria has a mute button???
11:47:19 Cheryl W -> : Full Inclusion is bringing these students back into the Reg ed classroom!
11:47:58 PeggyG -> : yes :-)
11:48:09 Cheryl W -> : These students have been in center schools and self-contained classrooms!
11:48:34 MariaK -> : @mcteach - no mute button here - just on skype!!!
11:48:41 PeggyG -> : Animal Farm revisited! we all have talents
11:49:29 MariaK -> : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MctafuXLho&feature=related
11:51:10 Maureen -> : I have a class that is very divided- the A I give to one group is not the same as the A in the other group.. it can't be. One group would have all Cs and Ds
11:51:39 Cheryl W -> : Grades = expectations
11:52:21 PeggyG -> : Have you seen this video? "Even Eagles Need a Push" http://www.eaglesneedapush.com/?cm_mmc=CheetahMail-_-FR-_-10.29.10-_-EEN...
11:53:29 PeggyG -> : http://www.janebluestein.com/handouts/animal.html Great resources for the Animal School: A Fable
11:53:45 McTeach (Karen) -> : Yes! I hate when they compare themselves to their classmates!
11:54:11 PeggyG -> : Remember the old, old book by Syd Simon--Whatjaget? :-)
11:54:21 PeggyG -> : all about grading and comparing grades :-)
11:54:24 Cheryl W -> : We need to grade individually not as a group
11:54:49 Maureen -> : I have kids who think they are stupid if they get a C with a 1 in effort. It's hard to find a balance between constuctive feedback and self-esteem, even when each teacher at my school is required to write half page comments.
11:55:11 PeggyG -> : what a great idea to create a rap with the kids comments!! Love it!
11:55:58 PeggyG -> : you know your answer Lisa :-)
11:56:13 PeggyG -> : choice and what he's interested in :-)
11:56:42 PeggyG -> : yes you're back Sheila
11:56:46 Lisa Parisi -> : When do I have time to do that Peggy
11:57:01 Lisa Parisi -> : I have more and more content each year
11:57:02 Maureen -> : I had my 9th graders self-assess their work- using the goals they wrote for their project in Spetember. Most I agreed with, a couple I didn't and had conversations with.
11:57:09 PeggyG -> : just saying...
11:57:26 PeggyG -> : you answered your own question
11:58:26 PeggyG -> : great point Sheila--I think it's the relationship and connection with the teacher :-)
11:58:37 PeggyG -> : she feels valued
11:59:26 Maureen -> : Is he just not on task in school or at home or other places at well?
11:59:45 Sheila -> : I feel valued when others do that for me, too! Feel more engaged.
12:00:27 PeggyG -> : my grandson is like that but he doesn't have any teachers who are trying to engage him or draw him out--just punish with grades for work that never gets turned in
12:01:37 Maureen -> : So, can you let them do what they want to do? This is what I did with my older kids this year- 9th grade. They chose what they wanted, wrote what success was going to look like for them. Maybe it's because I don't have to teach a specific content- but it's working for me
12:03:03 PeggyG -> : makes so much sense Maureen!!
12:03:36 PeggyG -> : funny!
12:05:19 PeggyG -> : you're kidding Sheila?! never done that before? required in every classroom in AZ! must be posted and reviewed
12:05:31 Lisa Parisi -> : But, Maureen, what if you do need to teach content?
12:06:14 Maureen -> : I don't know... but feel like Maria was on the right track- getting buy in to the content
12:06:34 Lisa Parisi -> : I feel he buys in more when we work with kids outside of the class.
12:06:54 PeggyG -> : very empowering activity Sheila!!!
12:06:57 Lisa Parisi -> : He has more incentive to do his part when strangers are depending on him.
12:07:39 Cheryl W -> : Maybe if he ties in, the content to things outside the class for him.
12:10:12 PeggyG -> : I think he feels like he has a choice when it's outside of the classroom
12:10:18 Sheila -> : @PeggyG - I have never cut and pasted exact working from state standards. Have always used my wording on rubrics, etc. Also, have never shared it's coming from the state.
12:10:27 Sheila -> : *wording
12:11:01 PeggyG -> : I've seen some great "kid" versions of the AZ standards that teachers have asked them to put in their own words. Such a great way to understand them!
12:13:18 Cheryl W -> : Can you give this other student smaller steps to accomplish - leading to the larger!
12:14:03 PeggyG -> : http://www.travisusd.k12.ca.us/center/parents_corner/standards/kidfriend... This is a nice example of kid-friendly standards from CA
12:14:24 Sheila -> : Thanks Peggy!
12:16:03 Sheila -> : On electronic work, we have the students put the standards addressed for technology in a footer of their paper. For them and to let parents know we are teaching tech skills too.
12:16:32 PeggyG -> : great idea Sheila!
12:16:39 PeggyG -> : making it cognitive :-)
12:17:33 Sheila -> : Could do that with science standards.
12:17:47 PeggyG -> : definitely!
12:19:53 Cheryl W -> : Yes but first we must make them buy in to the process!
12:20:44 Maureen -> : Missed the last 15 minutes- phone call... what did I miss?
12:22:32 PeggyG -> : this is a nice PDF of kid-friendly science standards for gr K-5: https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=1a2gD0...
12:22:55 PeggyG -> : reminds me of the homework bingo cards that allow choices on homework assignments
12:24:09 Maureen -> : But allowing choices, and then a student chooses not to choose- that's a choice they make.
12:24:18 McTeach (Karen) -> : Peggy...love the kid-friendly science standards! Thanks for sharing that...would love to set something up like that for myself!
12:24:27 PeggyG -> : http://www.educationworld.com/a_curr/homeworktips/homeworktips036.shtml
12:24:32 Lisa Parisi -> : How can that be an acceptable choice, Maureen?
12:24:42 PeggyG -> : great ideas for help with homework hassles including homework bingo
12:25:17 Maureen -> : I didn't say it was acceptable, but it happens in my class at times. I generally have a conversation with the parents when it does
12:25:38 Lisa Parisi -> : Maybe the choice has to be you must choose one of these.
12:25:54 PeggyG -> : I really think involving the kids in rewriting the standards to make them kid-friendly is such a good idea!
12:26:59 Maureen -> : phone again... next week......................
12:27:06 PeggyG -> : very interesting point Maria--inconsistency can be their consistency :-)
12:27:17 MariaK -> : @peggyg - we call that work - unwrapping the GLE's - grade level expectations
12:27:20 Cheryl W -> : choices have consequences some good some bad and as long as they are aware & understand the consequences give them the choice
12:27:46 PeggyG -> : perfect label Maria :-)
12:28:36 PeggyG -> : kids can illustrate the standards with pictures of what those standards would look like
12:29:37 PeggyG -> : sounds like you're describing kids with asperger's syndrome Maria--can be very bright but disconnected
12:30:37 MariaK -> : no - not asperger's - I have 2 students with that and one with autism - these are students who are functioning at a very low level, in academics
12:31:53 Cheryl W -> : finding out what they are interested in outside of school and then bring it into the classroom and relate it to their content
12:33:01 PeggyG -> : your learning goals for those 2 students will be different than those for the rest of the class--they aren't functioning at KDG level and need modifications (like you do all the time)!!
12:33:49 PeggyG -> : it's a very different question when you think "can they do it" or are you choosing not to do it
12:34:07 Cheryl W -> : In "K" the questions asked of those studens needs to be on their level allow them to point to the answer or choose the picture that answers the question.
12:34:39 PeggyG -> : that's the key!! you have to treat them differently when they are doing the best they can!
12:34:43 Lisa Parisi -> : http://www.globaleducationconference.com/index.html
12:34:56 PeggyG -> : the Global Education Conference is going to be fabulous!!! over 50 keynote speakers!!
12:35:07 PeggyG -> : everything will be recorded too
12:35:39 PeggyG -> : there are so many sessions that I don't think you'll need to worry about getting into the rooms--4 sessions at a time many parts of the day/night
12:36:06 PeggyG -> : great conversation today! thanks Lisa, Sheila and Maria!
12:36:07 Lisa Parisi -> : http://www.brainpop.com/educators/blog/2010/11/webinar-alert-planning-a-...
12:36:18 Cheryl W -> : thanks everyone!
12:36:24 Lisa Parisi -> : http://ettconversations.blogspot.com/
12:36:44 PeggyG -> : can we view that brainpop if we're not members Lisa?
12:37:16 PeggyG -> : intriguing question Maria!!!
12:37:21 Lisa Parisi -> : Bye
12:37:27 PeggyG -> : bye all
12:37:31 McTeach (Karen) -> : Bye ladies
12:40:15 Sheila -> : Bye all!