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April 18, 2007
Chat Log Below 
20:53:11 PaulAllison -> I'm a little late getting in... sorry folks
20:53:43 PaulAllison -> Baseball season with 2 teenage boys can take serious time in the spring.
20:53:50 DougS -> no apologies needed Paul
20:53:56 DougS -> and what better excuse!
20:54:29 PaulAllison -> Jeff should I wait for you call?
20:56:49 DougS -> don't hear any "noise" on stream
20:59:57 DougS -> what time on Friday?
21:00:01 DougS -> for the spacecast?
21:00:08 lee -> Hello All
21:00:14 DougS -> hey Lee, and all
21:00:27 lee -> 8:45am est, 10:30am est, and 11:35am est
21:00:36 DougS -> thanks
21:00:39 lee -> each for one half hour
21:01:41 Nancy B -> hello all
21:01:49 DougS -> hi Nancy
21:02:02 lee -> Hello Nancy and Doug
21:02:11 DougS -> yessir re stream
21:02:13 CathyE -> Hey all!
21:02:30 DougS -> Hi Cathy, and Durff, and Bill
21:02:36 bill -> hello, all
21:02:52 lee -> Hi Cathy..Durff
21:02:53 Durff -> Hi Doug. Audio on A?
21:02:57 CathyE -> stream is good
21:02:59 Durff -> Hi Lee
21:03:01 DougS -> that's right
21:03:36 DougS -> enter this in skype
21:03:37 DougS -> +99001110023750634
21:03:49 DougS -> to join the skypecast
21:03:50 Durff -> We can Skype?
21:04:23 DougS -> don't forget to turn off the stream (iTunes, et al.) before joining the 'cast
21:04:46 Durff -> I did
21:04:53 Durff -> choppy
21:05:04 PaulAllison -> Troy...can you skype worldbridges
21:05:11 DougS -> it's good audio on channel A Lisa
21:05:35 hickstro -> I will be on in few minutes...
21:06:07 Durff -> I'm in Skype - always better for me
21:06:12 DougS -> cool
21:07:08 DougS -> wooo hooo for DrupalEd
21:07:11 Durff -> Stupid Question #33215978 = Could my headset shock me?
21:07:16 DougS -> nice work there Bill
21:07:27 Durff -> as in electrical
21:07:54 hickstro -> I am on and in Skype, too. Thanks for your patience...
21:08:18 PaulAllison -> http://www.google.com/notebook/public/04358793573726113227/BDQOrSwoQvoiP... 
21:10:48 jeff -> in case anyone is interested in desktop sharing during tonight's discussion, the Yugma is at: http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=110889109 
21:13:21 cheryloakes wow2 -> I love being on vacation.
21:13:45 DougS -> haha good for you Cheryl
21:13:59 cheryloakes wow2 -> I even got my podcasts up and running this morning.
21:14:06 Durff -> where Cheryl?
21:14:11 DougS -> I sae that, most impressive
21:14:14 DougS -> saw
21:14:22 cheryloakes wow2 -> at edtechtalk, hi Durff, Lisa
21:14:52 DougS -> let's have a link to Paul's joomla
21:15:02 Durff -> hi cheryl - where are you?
21:15:10 CathyE -> http://my.nycwp.net/ 
21:15:12 cheryloakes wow2 -> I am in Wells, ME
21:15:20 PaulAllison -> For links for tonight (some of them): http://www.google.com/notebook/public/04358793573726113227/BDQOrSwoQvoiP... 
21:15:25 Durff -> but on vacation
21:15:35 Durff -> unfair
21:16:39 cheryloakes wow2 -> I mean I am not at school this week, headed back to the mountain to ski we have had 95 in. of snow since april 1, 41 inches since last Thurs.
21:17:00 Durff -> have fun!
21:17:04 DougS -> make a couple of runs for me Cheryl
21:17:17 Durff -> is Joomla like Twitter or Jaiku?
21:17:30 Nancy B -> no, not at all
21:17:35 DougS -> it's another content management system (cms)
21:17:40 Nancy B -> Joomla is a CMS
21:17:43 Nancy B -> what doug said
21:17:44 Nancy B -> lol
21:18:03 Nancy B -> i dumped my twitter account
21:18:04 Durff -> sounds complicated - like a weekend project
21:18:18 Madeline_Here -> what do you think of Jaiku?
21:18:28 Durff -> I like Jaiku
21:18:31 Nancy B -> joomla is basically back-end stuff for bringing content to your group
21:18:45 Durff -> and some are cross-posting from Twiter
21:18:47 Madeline_Here -> What are the differences between twitter and jaiku?
21:18:55 Nancy B -> my feeling about jaiku and twitter is that they are both non-produvtive uses of my time
21:18:57 Madeline_Here -> twitter, I know
21:18:57 bill -> This is the code we have tested most heavily -- http://drupaled.alphabetademo.org/files/drupaled-5.1-1.zip 
21:19:08 Madeline_Here -> oh, Nancy....
21:19:15 Durff -> I think Jaiku has more options
21:19:37 Nancy B -> oh, madeline
21:19:58 Madeline_Here -> ;)
21:20:15 Nancy B -> im totally digging trailfire now
21:20:23 Nancy B -> ive made three trails so far i think'
21:20:24 Madeline_Here -> Hey, Nancy, did you notice that trailfire is wiki enabled?
21:20:28 Nancy B -> http://trailfire.com 
21:20:36 Nancy B -> yeah i noticed that when i first signed up
21:20:37 Nancy B -> lol
21:20:42 Nancy B -> its one of the sharing options
21:21:24 Madeline_Here -> anyone using trailfire in education should let me know, I'll add you to a google doc we are sharing with the developers.
21:21:44 Madeline_Here -> trailfire developers want to improve it for educations
21:21:44 lee -> Hello Madeline
21:21:54 Nancy B -> we thought about using it asa classroom presentation tool with smartboard
21:21:59 Nancy B -> not so much for the kids to use
21:22:01 PaulAllison -> Madeline skype worldbridges to talk about trailfire
21:22:06 Nancy B -> since we dont have 1 to 1 computer access
21:22:32 Madeline_Here -> Hi Lee, my I noticed your students are blogging a lot about the VT incident. It's powerful to read all their posts today.
21:22:49 bill -> this tarball is what we will be distributing after a few more test installs: http://drupaled.alphabetademo.org/files/drupaled-5.1-1.tar.gz 
21:23:36 Durff -> yes madeline that would be interesting
21:24:21 lee -> Yes, Madeline, they are full of emotion and not expressing it
21:24:23 Durff -> Sounding Boards for the Horizon Project welcome!
21:24:56 DougS -> Bill, thanks for the "sneak peek" at DrupalEd--very kind of you
21:25:27 lee -> .. the blogging at personallearningspace has really helped them talk without saying anything in the normal school atmosphere.. a big help!
21:25:46 Durff -> http://horizonproject.wikispaces.com 
21:28:07 Durff -> how do other educators use RSS and tags in their classrooms?
21:28:18 Madeline_Here -> Lee, I wonder if that is good. I can feel that they are angry and scared. it comes through in the writing.
21:29:17 hickstro -> I agree with Paul and think that the site's site as a learning space is an important part of web presence.
21:29:58 jeff -> http://trailfire.com/ 
21:30:11 lee -> No it is not good Madeline
21:30:55 lee -> but at least they are finding one way to start acknowledging their feelings since they dont seem willing to start right up about it
21:31:54 DougS -> indeed Lee, being able to talk about the impact of trauma is an important part of healing
21:32:01 cheryloakes wow2 -> I would like to join the google doc and see the options for trailfire and education
21:32:16 lee -> we have alot of things planned as a school to approach this incident which included the victims and/or people involved with the univ.
21:33:15 Durff -> Our history teacher's ex-wife works one floor above the shootings and he went there
21:33:25 lee -> I mean which is with those folks via tv and
21:33:48 lee -> other connections
21:34:36 Madeline_Here -> http://trailfire.com/mbrownstone 
21:36:10 jeff -> Glad you made it Russ
21:36:22 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> Thanks Jeff...enjoying it thus far
21:36:23 jeff -> able to listen in OK?
21:36:36 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> yeah...missed the beginning, who are you speaking with?
21:36:55 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> sorry...about that
21:37:23 alexr -> Bill -- Can you please put up the list again?
21:37:26 jeff -> Paul is speaking with a number of Writing Project folks - I'm silently streaming, playing with twitter and checking out links... and tempted to install Bill's new drupal tarball now
21:37:46 lee -> yes me too Jeff
21:37:49 lee -> Thanks Bill
21:38:11 jeff -> Desktop sharing Yugma at:  Cathy's doing a fine job at the yugma helm
21:38:19 Durff -> twitter is addictive!
21:38:26 jeff -> if anyone else wants the desktop, let me know
21:38:51 Madeline_Here -> http://trailfire.com/12albertoc  a 7th grader's first trailfire. She fancies herself a history buff and is reading Anne Frank.
21:39:13 CathyE -> Please--show us bill
21:39:21 Durff -> you joined the Jaiku and forgot us sir
21:39:23 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> I need a support group for twitter...
21:39:24 Nancy B -> http://trailfire.com/nbrodsky 
21:39:33 Nancy B -> what is the point of twitter?
21:39:41 Nancy B -> do we need to keep tabs on each other at all times?
21:39:47 Nancy B -> or on people we dont know even know...
21:39:48 Nancy B -> lol
21:39:53 CathyE -> Bill needs the Yugma
21:39:57 Durff -> it's fun
21:40:01 lee -> Yes..
21:40:12 Durff -> we need fun
21:40:18 Nancy B -> well it was fun at first
21:40:28 Durff -> still is
21:40:33 bill -> http://drupaled.alphabetademo.org/files/drupaled-5.1-1.tar.gz 
21:40:39 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> I have gotten that question alot nancy
21:40:40 Nancy B -> then it became one more thing to waste cell phone minutes on and one more social networking thing to tabs on
21:40:43 qdsouza -> twitter is networking
21:40:53 qdsouza -> twitter is fun
21:40:55 jeff -> Twitter - need to, no. But there seems to be interest in being able to ping buddies quickly and efficiently
21:41:00 qdsouza -> twitter is for everyone
21:41:08 CathyE -> I think Bill needs to show us those Easy STEPS
21:41:19 Nancy B -> the fact that twitter has no search function annoyed me
21:41:22 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> for me, it's the most useful link on keeping track of new and exciting things happening that I don't get without looking at yahoo news or whatever
21:41:29 Nancy B -> id ont want to twitter with random strangers
21:41:35 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> so when people post new technologies
21:41:37 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> or websites
21:41:40 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> I can link right in...
21:41:42 Nancy B -> i want to twitter with bloggers i read and/or know
21:41:53 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> ideally it's how I've found interesting things like edtechtalk and other links
21:42:13 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> without it...doubt I'd be "in the loop" with other podcasters
21:42:14 jeff -> Any reports of what teens think of twittering?
21:42:21 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> haven't heard
21:42:30 qdsouza -> http://google.com/coop/cse?cx=004053080137224009376%3Aicdh3tsqkzy  Twitter search
21:42:33 jeff -> Any comparable tool for the teen set?
21:42:40 bettycollum -> How can you print out what has been written in the chat room? I would like to investigate all the links?
21:42:59 qdsouza -> MSN
21:43:05 jeff -> We sometime post entire chat logs
21:43:05 Nancy B -> betty, i think you can just look at the chat log, after this chat wraps up?
21:43:11 qdsouza -> but asychcronous
21:43:20 PaulAllison -> We can post this one.
21:43:22 jeff -> if not, you can highlight everything, copy and paste into another application
21:43:38 bettycollum -> ok, thanks
21:43:45 Nancy B -> that search function is handy!
21:43:52 Nancy B -> but im still not going back to twitter
21:43:53 Nancy B -> lol
21:43:58 Nancy B -> i got enough going on
21:44:30 jeff -> resistance is futile
21:44:34 jeff -> :)
21:44:38 Nancy B -> lol
21:44:39 qdsouza -> :-:
21:44:43 qdsouza -> :-)
21:44:47 Nancy B -> i just joined facebook
21:44:48 hickstro -> Right, and this was our problem, too. Spreading ourselves too thin.
21:44:59 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> hehehe...I get your point nancy...I tried to go the Jaiku route...but it was a bit of a pain
21:45:22 Nancy B -> yeah so i dumped myspace, i dumped a bunch of other things
21:45:28 Nancy B -> and tried to streamline my web presence
21:45:45 Nancy B -> that is all shot to heck now that ive joined facebook and im using trailfire
21:46:30 hickstro -> The problem for us, now, is that our "official" site is not the site that TCs really identify with, despite our best efforts to make it a space for social networking and site work. Our wiki has become that space instead.
21:46:32 qdsouza -> Twaiku allows you to simultaneously post to Twitter and Jaiku.
21:46:59 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> how about that...does twaiku work with any messengers...in the manner that google talk does?
21:47:18 qdsouza -> http://www.bwana.org/2007/04/09/twaiku/ 
21:47:31 Nancy B -> well twitter works with AIM, so i imagine the twaiku...
21:47:59 Durff -> Twaiku?
21:48:06 hickstro -> Right, Paul. So, do we have an "official" site that we share on our business cards and another "unofficial" one that we actually use?
21:48:27 hickstro -> If so, then how "public" do we want our "informal" space to be?
21:48:32 jeff -> Troy, I think you're unmuted if you want to chime in
21:49:09 hickstro -> Jeff - OK, I think I am unmuted on my end, too.
21:49:41 hickstro -> How to you "regain" presence once it is dissipated?
21:50:09 hickstro -> That is, how can I get people back from Blogger and on to our "official" blog?
21:50:09 jeff -> Troy gets my vote for questioner of the night
21:50:10 qdsouza -> then talk offline
21:50:17 Nancy B -> well if you never really remove yoursel from the interweb
21:50:20 hickstro -> Thanks, Jeff.
21:50:25 Nancy B -> its not hard to regain presence
21:50:32 Nancy B -> oh
21:50:35 qdsouza -> love that term meatspace- cyberpunk
21:50:53 Nancy B -> meatspace?
21:50:57 DougS -> I thought it was meetspace
21:51:34 bill -> re: That is, how can I get people back from Blogger and on to our "official" blog? -- syndicate the feeds -- when they see they get more comments from the WP site, they'll be back
21:51:38 qdsouza -> opps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meatspace 
21:52:01 Nancy B -> ah, meat as in flesh and blood bodies
21:52:02 Nancy B -> lol
21:52:05 qdsouza -> I'm multitasking badly
21:52:06 hickstro -> http://rcwp.msu.edu/ 
21:52:08 Nancy B -> gotcha
21:52:14 DougS -> it's all good
21:52:23 hickstro -> http://redcedarwritingproject.blogspot.com/ 
21:52:36 hickstro -> http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/red_cedar_writing_project/red_cedar_writing... 
21:52:44 hickstro -> http://rcwp.wikispaces.com/ 
21:54:40 hickstro -> And here is our "official" blog: http://rcwp.msu.edu/blog/ 
21:55:02 hickstro -> Right! So, how do you get out of beta?
21:55:35 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> guys gotta bail
21:55:40 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> got a kid in the bath
21:55:45 jeff -> glad you could join in
21:55:45 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> later and thanks for including me
21:55:50 Russ @ Take2Podcast -> ditto...later jeff
21:56:03 qdsouza -> create a PLE of the feeds
21:56:06 cheryloakes wow2 -> over and out
21:56:12 hickstro -> PLE?
21:56:28 bill -> it's never too late to have a planned rollout!
21:56:39 qdsouza -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_Learning_Environment 
21:57:38 hickstro -> Interestingly enough, despite the fact that our new site is supposed to be "dynamic" and has many TCs who can add content now, it is still kind of static. I am just as guilty of that as anyone else, but I find it kind of odd that now that we have this dynamic site we still end up with quite a bit of static content.
21:58:40 qdsouza -> change is hard
21:58:50 qdsouza -> Shi-f-t Happens!
21:58:55 qdsouza -> :D
21:58:57 hickstro -> Thanks for the PLE link. Is ELGG considered a PLE, too?
21:59:24 DougS -> I think that they kinda "invented" PLE
21:59:27 DougS -> elgg that is
21:59:29 qdsouza -> A PLE is based on your needs and will change
22:00:05 bill -> RE the PLE: not really -- that honor goes to wordpress
22:00:17 qdsouza -> Konrad's doing a presentation on it soon - http://twitter.com/teachandlearn/ 
22:00:21 DougS -> really, thanks Bill
22:00:22 Nancy B -> ok all im audi
22:00:25 Nancy B -> have a good night
22:00:44 hickstro -> There is also the question of whether or not a teacher has the opportunity and ability to use the tool that the site chooses -- say Joomla -- in thier own school. If everyone can access Edublogs, for instance, is there some good rationale for creating a site-based Edublog for people to play in while the "official" homepage serves the official purposes for advertising and archiving institutional memory?
22:00:50 alexr -> From twitter: twitter: acarvin: Bye-baya, Sanjaya!
22:00:51 jeff -> 'night Nancy
22:01:02 hickstro -> Then, they know how to use Edublogs in their own classroom, too.
22:02:25 hickstro -> Felicia makes a good point about what sites want in their websites. To what extent should those of us with some tech know-how encourage and support people to move to more interactive web presences as we watch the field of edtech move that way?
22:02:51 DougS -> here's an interesting screencast that Brian Lamb put together for distributed publishing on the web
22:02:52 DougS -> http://weblogs.elearning.ubc.ca/brian/archives/037636.php 
22:03:21 qdsouza -> we rolled out Community Server to our district - 8000 teachers - and it is barely used - but there were concerns - so it was placed on our intranet - not as useful - and not ready for change
22:04:17 qdsouza -> Same thing used on Alan Novembers community
22:04:41 hickstro -> I am OK for tonight. Thanks, Paul, and everyone.
22:04:47 hickstro -> Good night.
22:04:51 qdsouza -> http://communityserver.org/ 
22:04:56 qdsouza -> good night
22:05:03 qdsouza -> sorry I came in late
22:05:04 alexr -> thanks all!
22:05:08 bettycollum -> good night all
22:05:18 DougS -> yes, thanks everbody!
22:05:27 lee -> good night Betty
22:05:31 qdsouza -> environment
22:05:36 Durff -> Visit The Intern Show 9:30am Sat EST here at Worldbridges
22:05:38 lee -> night doug
22:06:08 qdsouza -> that was funny - ditch a few
22:06:45 Durff -> what is a community server quentin?\
22:06:49 Madeline_Here -> Good Night all....z-z-z-z-z-z-z-z-:?
22:06:58 bill -> cheers, all --
22:07:07 Durff -> night, bill
22:07:10 jeff -> Bon Apetit Bill
22:07:18 bill -> the halibut awaits!
22:07:22 Durff -> Guten Appetit
22:07:43 CathyE -> Jeff- did you install it?
22:07:54 jeff -> not yet
22:08:03 jeff -> I'm a slacker tonight
22:08:22 lee -> Thanks Jeff
22:08:28 Durff -> don;t believe it - you never slck off
22:08:34 Durff -> slack
22:09:01 Durff -> Guten Nacht
22:09:10 CathyE -> Jeff- we will be expecting a report tomorrow :)
22:09:14 qdsouza -> I'm listening
22:09:16 PaulAllison -> So... Friday 8:45 - 9:15 ?
22:09:24 PaulAllison -> 10:30 - 11:00
22:09:25 jeff -> roger that
22:09:33 PaulAllison -> 11:35 - 12:05?
22:09:37 lee -> yes Paul
22:09:44 jeff -> Paul & Lee would you like to reconnect quickly?
22:09:45 lee -> SEe you all then!
22:09:46 qdsouza -> I missed quite a bit
22:09:48 lee -> ok
22:09:56 PaulAllison -> sure
22:10:43 qdsouza -> btw- I found out about this event through twitter :-D
22:11:27 Feliciag -> I guess I'm too late and everyone has just signed off.
22:12:11 Madeline_Here -> felicia, I'm still here :-)
22:12:15 Feliciag -> I just figured out where the chat room was and how to listen to the broadcast live.
22:12:31 Madeline_Here -> Oh, it's quite a task to talk and type at the same time.
22:12:45 Feliciag -> Hi Madeline. I am really impressed with what you are doing with your students.
22:12:49 Madeline_Here -> Of course Susan and Paul are quite adept.
22:13:02 Madeline_Here -> thank you.
22:13:24 Feliciag -> I had a hard time following a lot of this conversation and the tour that Paul set up on the nycwp site didn't work for me.
22:13:56 Madeline_Here -> when you say it did not work, what do you mean? The technology failed or the effort at communication did not work?
22:14:56 Feliciag -> I guess the technology failed because nothing happened except that I was taken to another page which flicked on the screen and then it went back to the home page.
22:15:42 Madeline_Here -> Did Paul explain that you need to use a FireFox browser AND load the Trailfire extention?
22:16:17 DougS -> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3524 
22:16:29 Madeline_Here -> Maybe I should try it in another browser and see if I have the same experience.
22:16:46 Feliciag -> No. I was using Mozilla which I believe is a firefox browser but I didn't know about loading the extention. I'll try it again tomorrow.
22:17:24 Madeline_Here -> That will do the trick. Be sure to fully quit the Mozilla browser and then launch again to activate the extension.
22:18:01 Feliciag -> Thanks Madeline. I won't keep you any longer. I'm going to get ready to log out.
22:18:11 Madeline_Here -> me too...good night