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Vicki Davis and Sharon Peters, streaming, held down the fort for this show.
The audio for the show is here. Tonight, Sharon experienced the dreaded echo. The content is great! Check the chat for some information.
Peter Shaheen: Co-Director of the Oakland (MI) Writing Project (part of the National Writing Project network, a nationwide organization for professional development for teachers around writing across the disciplines) faculty of FLEX program at Birmingham Seaholm HS.
Adam Hellebuyck: 2007 graduate of the Master of Arts with Secondary Certifiication (MAC) Program at UM. Mentored for the Place out of Time & Arab-Israeli Conflict Simulations. New faculty member at University Liggett School in Grosse Pointe, MI.
Maurita Holland: Associate Professor and Assistant to the Dean at the UM School of Information, as well as Director of the Office of Academic Outreach. Maurita has been the point person in a cross-campus collaboration between our two schools on a state history project for upper elementary students (see http://www.si.umich.edu/  ~mholland/MichiganMatters.html to see an "in progress" descriptive website).
Jeff Stanzler: UM School of Education faculty and Director, Interactive Communications & Simulations.
I'm involved with a project based here at the School of Education (called "Interactive Communications & Simulations") that I thought might be of interest to you. We're actually 'greybeards' in terms of computer-mediated educational projects, as we started in the early 1980's using an early computer-conferencing software called "Confer" that was developed here at the U of M, and have continued to revise our mode of connection from an e-mail basis to the current web interface. Basically, what we do is offer term-long, interactive, web-mediated, mentored (whew!) activities that link peers in different schools with teams of university student mentors on both the Ann Arbor and Flint campuses of our university.Some of our projects are simulations. Our oldest simulation has students engaged in a diplomatic interaction while portraying actual stake-holders in the Arab-Israeli Conflict. Another, Place out of Time, engages students in portraying actual figures from the range of human history who are brought together as participants in a "trial" based on an issue of our day (how might Julius Caesar and Malcolm X talk about religious freedom?) Non-simulation projects include our International Poetry Guild, and a socio-cultural issues forum centered on vicarious travel called Earth Odysseys (our fall 2007 "trip" explores China). Middle school and high school student participants in our projects are supported by teams of university student mentors who take classes specifically tied to the various projects. U of M students interact with the students, and try to support their writing while challenging them to think more deeply.I write because I hoped that you might find what we do to be of interest, perhaps even to the extent that you might be willing to share a little blurb about our project in one of your list of links. Our projects require an ongoing commitment on the part of a teacher and her students, but we think that the rewards justify the expenditure of curricular space. We'd love to broaden our network to include some of your readers and their students, and we'd be happy to offer scholarships to your teacher-subscribers who are interested in our offerings. More information can be found at our website (http://ics.soe.umich.edu/ ) or by contacting me, and guest access to the password-protected sites of our actual projects can be made available as well.
1) WOW's of the week - Sharon, Vicki
2) Introduction - Your name, title, work that you are doing, describe your project and how it relates to classroom learning
Jeff - I'd like you to introduce the entire work that you are doing at Univ of Michigan and your vision. Then, we'll go in order below:
Peter, Adam, Marita
3) Now that you've introduced your projects I'd like you each to talk about how people can get involved in the project (if it is possible) and what types of classrooms are appropriate for each?
Maurita, Jeff, Peter, Adam
4) What type of results are you seeing with projects and simulations and where do you think we need to go from where we are now?
Adam, Maurita, Jeff, Peter
5) Questions from Sharon here?
6) You have a mentoring model that has evolved at the University of Michigan-- We'll go in this order: Jeff, Maurita, Adam, Pete
This would be something that Maurita and I could talk about from the course/project design side, that Adam could talk about as a new teacher (and as a student of history), and that Pete could talk about in terms of the impact of these mentoring relationships on his HS students.
7) Creativity and Theatricality - How is this important in simulations and how have you used it, particularly in the Place in Time simulation?
This one is for Jeff and Adam as per below:
I could certainly speak about this, and Adam was one student who fully resonated to the theatricality of the interaction, and how it could be used to create interest and build learning opportunities.
8) Michigan Matters -- Let's talk about this now. How is it structured? What type of results have you seen?
Pete, Maurita and Jeff -- Pete talk about this first and the Oakland writing project.
If there is time
* Let's talk for a moment about the potential for virtual worlds and what some are calling Web 3D in the classroom: what do you think about the opportunities for 3D environments in the classroom?
* Dan Pink's book A whole New Mind discusses our move to the conceptual age from the information age, what things need to happen at the K12 and college level to encourage creativity and Right brain thinking in addition to the logical, procedural knowledge that we already teach so well?
* What are the dangers to colleges and K12 organizations that refuse to change in our fluent environment?
Chat-for July 24, 2007
20:41:56 Vicki Davis : http://bighugelabs.com/flickr/ 
20:44:43 Jeff Stanzler : http://ics.soe.umich.edu 
20:45:14 sharonp : hi Lisa - special hello from JEn Wagner!
20:45:40 LisaParisi : hello there
20:45:50 Vicki Davis : You can change your color.
20:45:51 peter : I was just dropped
20:46:09 peter : but I suppose you know that
20:46:56 sharonp : so I have a funky blue green colour
20:47:13 Jeff Stanzler : I was cut out of the call
20:47:52 sharonp : this is going to be an exciting night with all these dropped calls
20:47:58 sharonp : please be patient iwth us
20:50:27 Vicki Davis : www.twitter.com/coolcatteacher 
20:50:57 Jason Hando : Hi everyone
20:51:41 Vicki Davis : Hey Jason!
20:51:45 Vicki Davis : We'll be streaming in a moment!
20:51:52 Vicki Davis : How is it going down under?
20:51:59 Jason Hando : No worries - channel A as usual?
20:52:02 Vicki Davis : Did anyone listen to your show that let you know?
20:52:09 Vicki Davis : Yes, Channel A.
20:52:15 Jason Hando : All good here, weather is warming a little
20:52:26 Jason Hando : My show?
20:52:44 peter : hi Jason
20:52:53 Vicki Davis : Yes.
20:52:54 sharonp : Could someone check the stream and see if we are echoing?
20:53:14 Jason Hando : checking stream now
20:53:19 sharonp : thanks Jason
20:53:29 Jason Hando : echoe
20:53:39 Jason Hando : sounds fine now
20:53:46 Jeff Stanzler : Jason, nice to have you here. I enjoyed listening to you on the show.
20:53:51 Jason Hando : ok, am listening but sharon is echoe
20:54:10 sharonp : just me echoing??
20:54:15 sharonp : to me everyone is echoey
20:54:19 JL : yes
20:54:23 sharonp : so please bear with me tonight
20:54:24 Jason Hando : Hi Jeff, thanks for encouraging me
20:54:30 JL : are you streaming sharon?
20:54:31 sharonp : I will be brief - forced to!
20:54:34 Vicki Davis : lol
20:54:42 sharonp : yes, I am the streamer
20:54:47 sharonp : JL - any advice??
20:54:56 JL : check skype settings
20:55:02 sharonp : for??
20:55:13 Jason Hando : mute when talking?
20:55:20 JL : Tools/Options/ audio settings
20:55:25 Jason Hando : is a setting in skype isnt it?
20:55:29 JL : make sure audio in is set to usb mic, not sound card
20:55:56 Cathy Nelson : Is there audio difficulties tonight?
20:56:04 Cathy Nelson : sorry if that is an obvious q
20:56:07 JL : audio 'challenges' :)
20:56:13 Cathy Nelson : gotcha
20:56:29 sharonp : yes tis set to usb mic
20:56:38 sharonp : and still echoey
20:56:40 JL : are you on mac or windows?
20:56:44 sharonp : mac
20:56:44 Vicki Davis : Hello everyone.
20:56:46 Vicki Davis : Welcome.
20:56:51 Vicki Davis : Drop in where you're from.
20:56:59 JL : ah, no hablo el mac
20:57:10 Cathy Nelson : Im from South Carolina
20:57:17 peter : [b][/b]detroit
20:57:18 Cathy Nelson : just south of Charlotte NC
20:57:28 Jeff Stanzler : Ann Arbor
20:57:34 Durff : stream good but sharon
20:57:34 Jason Hando : Sydney, Australia
20:57:40 Durff : hi jason
20:57:45 Durff : hi jeff
20:57:47 Jason Hando : hi Lisa
20:58:12 Vicki Davis : How's school today, Jason.
20:58:37 Jason Hando : Good - I have a teacher-in-training shadowing me ;-)
20:58:42 JL : Sharon - info here: http://www.webcastacademy.net/node/908 
20:58:49 Jason Hando : she is still at Uni
20:59:06 JL : Then just by chance I checked effects in Nicecast, then editor, then advanced and viola, the hijack had mysteriously taken over and hijacked all audio streams instead of one audio stream. As soon as I checked that back to select one audio stream, I've been good!
20:59:15 Vicki Davis : http://bighugelabs.com/flickr/ 
20:59:39 sharonp : http://classroomtechtrends.wetpaint.com/ 
20:59:44 kevin_sandridge : Hi all, Kevin Sandridge here from Winter Haven, FL. Echo still pretty bad... but happy to be here! :)
20:59:46 Durff : hi barbar
20:59:48 Durff : hi pat
20:59:48 Vicki Davis : http://www.flickr.com/photos/9207453@N02/853910611/ 
20:59:56 Durff : hi kevin
20:59:58 patruffing : hey Durff
21:00:04 Vicki Davis : http://www.flickr.com/photos/9207453@N02/852523763/in/photostream/ 
21:00:05 Durff : hi vince
21:00:06 kevin_sandridge : Hola, Durff!
21:00:07 sharonp : Class project by Bishops University grad students who are teachers here in Quebec
21:00:18 Jason Hando : Hi Kevin, how's weather in Florida?
21:00:23 sharonp : hey Vince, can you share that link again?
21:00:30 kevin_sandridge : muggy and rainy! Just like we like it! :)
21:00:35 kevin_sandridge : been pretty hot
21:00:41 vincej : hi there lisa
21:00:52 Durff : :)
21:01:09 Durff : hi alice
21:01:18 alicebarr : Hi there
21:01:24 Barbara : Hi Barbara here
21:01:30 vincej : http://classroomtechtrends.wetpaint.com/ 
21:01:34 Durff : and anyone else who i missed
21:01:58 sharonp : Thanks Vince
21:02:01 vincej : http://classroomtechtrends.wetpaint.com/ 
21:02:02 Cathy E : I am from Kitty Hawk, North Carolina
21:02:25 Durff : yes
21:02:37 Jason Hando : Hi Cathy - we just had the USS Kitty Hawk visit Sydney Harbour on leave - must be named after your town!
21:03:09 Cathy Nelson : Ya wreckin'?
21:03:17 Cathy Nelson : reckon
21:03:24 Cathy E : yep
21:03:35 Vicki Davis : Three Cathy's again tonight!
21:03:35 Cathy Nelson : i amnot sure of the southern spelling of reckon
21:03:38 Jason Hando : wreckin' - freudian slip
21:03:42 DBragg : hi room
21:03:47 Cathy Nelson : don't know that it is spelled right either
21:04:07 Cathy Nelson : i still have no sound please tell me im not alone
21:04:16 Vicki Davis : Are you on channel A.
21:04:24 JL : what media player are you trying to use Cathy?
21:04:26 Vicki Davis : We've started. Who cannot hear.
21:04:33 Vicki Davis : reckon or reck'in?
21:04:33 Cathy E : I have ch A loud and clear
21:04:43 Cathy Nelson : me-- working on it again
21:04:45 cathywo : It says not streaming when I go to Listen
21:04:59 Cathy E : Click it anyway
21:05:03 Durff : still need the techno link?
21:05:12 patruffing : Jen is technospud.com and her project page is technospudprojects.com
21:05:20 Durff : great!
21:06:11 sharonp : Hey, to all you Michiganders - you should know I am originally from Windsor ON - jsut across the river from Detroit - so Michigan is sort of like home to me (my grandmother was born and raised in Michigan)
21:06:26 Cathy Nelson : : ( still no sound--im on a mac if anyone can recommend something to try--A dosn't do a thing except launch itunes and then nothing
21:06:36 Cathy Nelson : usually this is what jumpstarts it for me
21:06:40 kevin_sandridge : Love the technospuds site! As a new web 2.0 user, just starting a moddle site, I can really use the help!
21:06:41 sharonp : quit iTunes and try again
21:06:56 cathywo : Thanks for the help, it works now
21:06:58 sharonp : I have occasionally had that problem
21:07:02 DanitaR : hello all
21:07:06 AdamH : http://sitemaker.umich.edu/adamh/place_out_of_time 
21:07:43 Cathy E : http://220.127.116.11:8000 
21:07:48 Cathy Nelson : nope that didn't do it for me
21:07:54 Barbara : link for place out of time?
21:08:13 Durff : i'm listening thru iTunes
21:08:18 DanitaR : me, too
21:08:30 Cathy Nelson : im on now
21:08:34 DanitaR : love the current event idea
21:08:35 Vicki Davis : Hello Sue.
21:08:43 Cathy Nelson : ijust kept trying different sources from the list
21:08:44 Vicki Davis : David is a genius!
21:08:48 sroseman : Hi Vicki and friends
21:08:49 patruffing : how much background teaching, reading, etc. has to be done before students are ready to take on those roles?
21:08:53 Vicki Davis : But it souns like Adam is too!
21:09:06 Vicki Davis : www.ipl.org 
21:09:17 Jeff Stanzler : Here's a wiki we've put together with links to our various online projects and information about them http://umsimulations/wikispaces.com 
21:09:22 DanitaR : underage learners :o)
21:09:25 AdamH : i just posted a link to my website that explains the mentor role of university students in place out of time, I hope it is helpful!
21:09:27 Cathy Nelson : lots of Cathy's today
21:09:29 sharonp : wow Jeff - thanks!
21:09:51 cathywo : That wikispsaces link didn't work.
21:09:59 sharonp : hmmm doesn't work fo rme either
21:10:23 AdamH : i think a "/" should be replaced with a "."
21:10:27 DanitaR : shouldn't it be umsimulations.wikispaces.com
21:10:32 Barbara : anybody catch that library web site url
21:10:51 Vicki Davis : www.ipl.org 
21:10:58 Durff : http://umsimulations.wikispaces.com/ 
21:11:01 peter : ipl.org
21:11:08 Cathy Nelson : love IPL
21:11:18 Vicki Davis : Maurita is a director for that.
21:11:22 Jason Hando : who funds IPL?
21:11:28 Barbara : thanks peter
21:11:39 sharonp : Adam - you mentioned a link on your website - what is the link??
21:11:45 Vicki Davis : Maurita is on Vista and cannot type in the chat here.
21:11:47 Vicki Davis : We'll ask
21:12:05 cathywo : thanks for the correction Durff
21:12:11 patruffing : it is such a struggle for tech people to coordinate with curriculum...time to meet with teachers and coordinate for team teaching is so scarce
21:12:28 Durff : it is
21:12:30 AdamH : http://sitemaker.umich.edu/adamh/place_out_of_time 
21:12:37 Jason Hando : the tyranny of the urgent Pat
21:12:47 patruffing : yes
21:13:43 sharonp : sorry Adam - think I misunderstood - I see that link - thought there was another one from there
21:14:03 AdamH : oh, i'm sorry!
21:14:05 sharonp : I have a few thoughts and questions tonight....
21:14:25 sharonp : s"okay Adam - the website is great - makes me drool as a teacher
21:15:15 sharonp : Would like to know what these folks think of Second Life as a MUVE for education?
21:15:33 Vicki Davis : ics.soe.umich.edu
21:15:35 Jason Hando : good question Sharon
21:15:45 sharonp : great Vicki - faster than me!
21:16:04 sharonp : I know of at least two initiatives for Second Life
21:16:38 sharonp : Firstly, I know that my employer, LEARN, has bought an island in SL hoping to do some socio-constructivist projects there (yet to be defined??)
21:16:42 Vicki Davis : Shar will you be able to unmute?
21:16:47 Vicki Davis : yourself?
21:16:48 alicebarr : Hi Angela
21:16:55 sharonp : yes, can unmute me
21:17:00 sharonp : if you can bear the ec ho
21:17:01 Angela Roy : Hi Alice
21:17:14 Vicki Davis : Just wanted you to ask them the question after we cover this and then poetry project.
21:17:32 Barbara : Just saw the poetry project..very nice
21:17:42 Jeff Stanzler : Trying again with the wiki:http://umsimulations.wikispaces.com/
21:17:58 Vicki Davis : Everyone our four presenters tonight are on landline telephones so we do not have a skype backchannel as usual so you'll get a little "housekeeping comments"
21:18:15 Vicki Davis : http://umsimulations.wikispaces.com 
21:18:21 Vicki Davis : The wiki: messed that one up.
21:18:40 sharonp : secondly, big kudos to Dave Cormier for his initiative in Prince Edward Island - Anne of Green Gables Project - sizable CAnadian federal government grant to recreate 19th century PEI in Second Life - quite a big project using digitized archives
21:19:08 dnorman : @sharonp: is there a URL fo Dave's SL project?
21:19:09 Vicki Davis : Hey John.
21:19:12 Durff : slurl?
21:19:20 JohnPederson : evenign kidz
21:19:22 kevin_sandridge : Jeff... are you guys working on anything related to Middle School Tech Ed? (Electronics, flight, engineering, etc.)
21:19:27 Durff : hi john
21:19:59 peter : not flight but we can
21:20:05 patruffing : who has a password, just the other students?
21:20:12 Jeff Stanzler : If someone could let me know if the wiki address is working?
21:20:15 patruffing : and teachers?
21:20:21 kevin_sandridge : got to the wiki
21:20:35 Vicki Davis : Links to all of these simulations are at http://umsimulations.wikispaces.com 
21:20:37 Jason Hando : http://sleducation.wikispaces.com  is a great collection of projects in SL
21:20:41 Jeff Stanzler : thanks, kevin
21:20:49 kevin_sandridge : ubet
21:20:56 Durff : great json
21:21:01 Durff : jason
21:21:17 Durff : oh there goes that 'A' again
21:21:27 Jason Hando : :-)
21:21:34 sharonp : wow that IPG looks amazing! My daughter, as a budding poet, would love a place like this to stretch her skills!
21:21:45 dnorman : thanks, vicki. All I had was Dave's blog post.
21:21:58 peter : drop jeff an email @ firstname.lastname@example.org 
21:21:58 Jeff Stanzler : We welcome poets one by one, Sharon!
21:22:09 Vicki Davis : Dave's blog post? What did I do D'Arcy?
21:22:12 Vicki Davis : ;-)
21:22:18 sharonp : really good point about limitations of hardware and bandwidth!
21:22:36 peter : include your phone and we can start putting our heads together
21:22:52 Vicki Davis : That is an issue and if you don't own an island as we didn't it was a problem for us to find mmeaningful places for us.
21:22:54 dnorman : keep hearing the Smoke Beast from Lost in A. Not complaining. A pretty cool effect :-)
21:22:57 Vicki Davis : I think it has great potential.
21:23:03 Durff : many schools won't allow the download
21:23:12 Vicki Davis : Smoke Beast from Lost? Ha ha!
21:23:17 Vicki Davis : Am I the smoke beast?
21:23:18 Durff : but one can run SL on a thunbdrive
21:23:27 Durff : on Mojopac - i think
21:23:44 Vicki Davis : ha ha!
21:23:45 dnorman : @vicki: I just googled for Dave's PEI project, and the only relevant hit was his blog post.
21:23:47 Jason Hando : has anyone ever seen the teacher simulation where u control the class?
21:23:52 Durff : smoke beast? what is that?
21:23:54 Vicki Davis : Oh! OK.
21:24:10 dnorman : if you watch Lost, you'd recognize the sound...
21:24:27 kevin_sandridge : do we need to dl a program to get into 2nd life? Firefox doesn't recognized the app
21:24:27 patruffing : someone breathing into the microphone
21:24:29 DBragg : Lost? TV? what's that?
21:24:30 Durff : Vicki did jason
21:24:40 Vicki Davis : OH, I'll mute me in case but we have four telephones on here.
21:24:46 Vicki Davis : I have a new mike, I'm goign to mute me.
21:24:53 Jason Hando : it was pretty cool - don't have link but u could google it
21:24:55 sharonp : Dave Cormier's description fo the Living Archives - www.davecormier.com/edblog/ 
21:25:21 Durff : kevin - yes
21:25:21 sharonp : yes, one needs to download a program to use Second Life
21:25:22 Vicki Davis : Perhaps it is the smoke beast mike!
21:25:31 Durff : SL is a download
21:25:41 Vicki Davis : www.secondlife.com 
21:25:46 Durff : and continuously updates
21:25:47 dnorman : and you get to update SL every time you launch it :-)
21:25:55 sharonp : ARe you also measuring for critical thinking skills?
21:26:12 Durff : it's so much fun
21:26:36 sharonp : I can certainly believe that there are significant learning gains for students from this approach - but it is always nice (and somewhat necessary) to be able to document it!
21:27:03 Durff : for the admin anyway
21:29:04 Jason Hando : can a school use some of these simulations - like the arab-israeli one at umich?
21:29:16 peter : sure
21:29:20 Jeff Stanzler : You bet, Jason!
21:29:23 christine southard : Hey! Where is everybody? :D
21:29:25 Jason Hando : how do they gain access?
21:29:33 sharonp : good question Jason - we would love to be able to use these great apps too!
21:29:38 Jason Hando : I'd like to recommend to our History Faculty here
21:29:49 Vicki Davis : It is incredible what they've done with having the university students actually work with the students.
21:29:59 Vicki Davis : It adds an intelligence that a program just wouldn't have.
21:30:00 sharonp : would love to show my former dept head of English at my last school
21:30:00 Barbara : Is it through the wiki?
21:30:04 vincej : is fun an indicator for student engagement?
21:30:04 peter : just drop jeff a line. he'll put you on the list
21:30:12 Durff : no
21:30:18 Jason Hando : ok, will do
21:30:29 Durff : but it shouldn't be an exclusion
21:30:41 Barbara : Can we reach Jeff through the wiki?
21:30:46 sharonp : can be one indicator - might need to more to get fuller sense
21:30:50 vincej : is this relative to the tool used? these are some of the measures that I think should be logged
21:30:52 Jason Hando : gotta run to class - thanks everyone, a great show!
21:30:52 Vicki Davis : No, sometimes it is NOT fun.
21:30:55 Vicki Davis : But sometimes it is.
21:30:59 peter : email@example.com 
21:31:01 Vicki Davis : Bye Jason.
21:31:12 Vicki Davis : Audience is important.
21:31:12 sharonp : thanks for joining us Jason!
21:31:25 Jason Hando : Bye Vicki, bye Sharon
21:31:26 Durff : bye jason
21:31:28 Vicki Davis : No, I think that it is odd that when my students are having fun, I always get asked about what they are learning.
21:31:28 vincej : agreed fun may not be..connect to learning
21:31:31 Jason Hando : Bye Lisa
21:31:33 sharonp : I think audience is absolutely critical for collaborative exercises
21:31:39 Vicki Davis : I think it is human nature.
21:31:51 ChristineSouthard : I agree w/ you Sharon
21:31:59 sharonp : lately studies have shown the benefits of sociality in learning process
21:32:01 Durff : you mean a wider audience
21:32:10 Vicki Davis : Audience is a key operative that I think should be measured in research -- the existence of a real or perceived audience and its effect on performance in the classroom.
21:32:15 sharonp : yes - audience of more than just teacher
21:32:17 ChristineSouthard : They have other people to impress beside their teachers
21:32:17 Durff : because the participants are the audience
21:32:29 Durff : like a global audience?
21:32:31 ChristineSouthard : authentic experiences
21:32:35 Vicki Davis : Yes, global.
21:32:44 Vicki Davis : Or if you're in a walled situation -- a perceived audience there.
21:32:45 ChristineSouthard : like a global audiences are super motivators
21:32:56 sharonp : global or at least possibility of one other engaged audience (i.e. another class at a distance)
21:32:58 Durff : yup
21:33:05 Vicki Davis : Yes, Sharon.
21:33:09 Barbara : the mentoring helps the students devlop the expert voices that Darren K talks about
21:33:26 Jeff Stanzler : Thanks, Pete...good catch!
21:33:37 sharonp : yes - mentoring has a great potential - works both ways in developing experts
21:33:39 ChristineSouthard : Even a clustr map creates interest... the audience who responds is the icing on the cake.
21:33:51 Vicki Davis : And I bet it makes the college students also have a great place as an expert where they are at the "bottom" of the "food chain."
21:33:56 Vicki Davis : Yes, clustr maps are great.
21:34:18 sharonp : face to face mentors??
21:34:38 peter : both online and face to face
21:34:53 sharonp : great - blended is best! (that's my motto!)
21:34:55 Barbara : f2f can be powerful or intimidating it all depends
21:35:01 peter : sometimes the assumed characters come to school to visit
21:35:06 Durff : VOIP & videoconference mentors?
21:35:30 ChristineSouthard : VOIP & Skyping would make super mentoring opportunities
21:35:34 Jeff Stanzler : Barbara, my ed tech class has internships built in and one of the internship opportunities is to be a blog mentor. We're working with Darren and are looking for more opportunities...
21:35:39 kevin_sandridge : what types of subject areas do the mentors cover?
21:35:55 sharonp : you are working with DArren K for blog mentoring??
21:36:11 Cathy Nelson : that is so cool Jeff
21:36:20 patruffing : @Jeff: What age groups do you work with?
21:36:28 Jeff Stanzler : Some are clear cut Poetry Guild-English. Others, like Place out of time, draw students from all over...theatre majors business majors...
21:36:40 Vicki Davis : Adam is talking about his project.
21:36:48 Vicki Davis : Place out of time.
21:37:12 Jeff Stanzler : Pat, our poetry guild and MI matters reach to upper el. The rest are MS/HS, Pat.
21:37:28 sharonp : how cool is that?? Blog mentoring! I also like this Poot mentors - links to real people - adds an entirely new dimension to the learning experience!
21:37:30 patruffing : thanks...wasn't sure if you were talking about just hs here
21:37:38 Vicki Davis : What mentors?
21:37:54 Durff : so jeff how would we join if we had a ms or hs class?
21:37:56 Cathy Nelson : all kinds of ideas are spinning out
21:38:09 Jeff Stanzler : Just send me an firstname.lastname@example.org 
21:38:27 Cathy Nelson : look for one from me Jeff
21:38:31 Durff : ok jeff
21:38:45 sharonp : I would love to know more as well!
21:38:47 Jeff Stanzler : Wonderful, Cathy...you too, Durff.
21:39:03 Barbara : Love to see some examples...are there any?
21:39:06 patruffing : I would like to investigate the possibilities as well
21:39:06 Jeff Stanzler : I'll get you more info, Sharon...we'll talk
21:39:46 Jeff Stanzler : Barbara, if you go to the wiki, you'll see visitor logins for many of the projects to see LOTS of examples...
21:39:53 sharonp : would love to highlight your program somehow at LEARN here in Qu?©bec
21:39:58 Jeff Stanzler : That's great, Pat.
21:40:17 Barbara : Thanks Jeff...that will help me show and tell with the teachers..i am a principal
21:40:58 Jeff Stanzler : In our early years, we got a running start thanks to working with the Peel Board outside Toronto. Would love to reestablish links in your wonderful country...
21:41:02 Vicki Davis : Goodness time is flying.
21:41:11 Durff : Jeff - don't have class assignments yet, but am interested
21:41:14 Jeff Stanzler : Let me know what else you need, Barbara
21:41:34 vincej : Jeff..I also work at LEARN count yourself in...
21:41:39 Jeff Stanzler : we're here when you're ready, Durff ;-)
21:41:51 Durff : Time flies when you are in the 'flow'
21:41:53 Jeff Stanzler : Thanks, Vince
21:42:12 Durff : thanks jeff
21:42:13 Cathy Nelson : I can't wait for this to be posted tomorrow
21:42:26 Cathy Nelson : i will be sharig like crazy
21:42:31 Cathy Nelson : sharing
21:42:57 patruffing : good point Vicki
21:43:55 Vicki Davis : They are really doing some great things.
21:44:21 Cathy Nelson : true authentic and engaged lerning too
21:44:26 Cathy Nelson : learning
21:44:38 Jeff Stanzler : email@example.com 
21:44:45 peter : firstname.lastname@example.org 
21:45:31 Vicki Davis : We need the wiki again for these links.
21:45:34 Cathy Nelson : truly global
21:45:41 Durff : Woo-Hoo!
21:45:46 Vicki Davis : I lost it could someone drop it back in for those who want it?
21:46:08 patruffing : http://umsimulations.wikispaces.com 
21:46:11 Barbara : http://umsimulations.wikispaces.com/Place+out+of+Time 
21:46:13 Vicki Davis : Thanks Pat!
21:46:17 sharonp : thanks Pat and Barb
21:46:19 Vicki Davis : And Barbara!
21:46:32 sharonp : NIce to see you here tonight Barb (such a good time in Boston!)
21:47:01 Barbara : Miss the f2f! It was great
21:47:05 Cathy Nelson : Sharon & Barbara thanks for the great pix and skypechat conversations!
21:47:41 sharonp : Jeff - I am going to be in Windsor next week (minutes away from Michigan) - any chance of a f2f meeting for a podcast interview??
21:47:53 Barbara : Love the thinking he is describing
21:48:08 sharonp : and/or with Adam and/or Maurita
21:48:13 Jeff Stanzler : Happy to do it, Sharon. I'd love to have the chance to talk with you in person.
21:48:21 Cathy Nelson : arts integration too
21:48:30 Cathy Nelson : best of both worlds
21:48:56 sharonp : we'll be in touch - (can't wait to do Mexican Village in Detroit on Monday for dinner! ;-)
21:49:15 Durff : mexican!
21:49:21 Durff : yum!
21:49:30 Barbara : This is what it means to break down the classroom walls...we could never provise such a rich enviorment within our own 4 walls
21:49:46 Barbara : provise+provide
21:49:51 Durff : the beauty of web2.0
21:50:05 Jeff Stanzler : I appreciate the comment, Barbara...I hope we're helping in that way
21:51:18 Vicki Davis : I think what they are doing with Place out of Time and the other projects are so very important.
21:51:32 Vicki Davis : Role playing.
21:52:27 Vicki Davis : http://umsimulations.wikispaces.com/  has a list of all of the simulations
21:52:41 Vicki Davis : And information on how you can contact them to join in these exciting projects.
21:53:28 Jeff Stanzler : We also have a website that describes our projects and some of the work being done by our colleagues at U of M-Flint
21:53:38 Jeff Stanzler : http://icss.oe.umich.edu 
21:53:54 Jeff Stanzler : Oops. http://ics.soe.umich.edu 
21:54:21 sharonp : Context helps students understand and appreciate their own context
21:54:43 Durff : and it helps adults too
21:54:50 Jeff Stanzler : That's nicely said, Sharon...
21:54:58 Durff : knowledge is contextual
21:55:03 sharonp : hey, how about this, Vicki - we haven't lost a single guest tonight!
21:55:13 Durff : yeah!
21:55:24 Vicki Davis : Yeah!
21:55:29 Vicki Davis : A few chatters but that is typical.
21:55:39 Vicki Davis : WE lost 2 before the show started.
21:55:55 sharonp : and I thought we had a rocky road ahead of us - but we flowed nicely
21:56:00 Durff : but that doesn't count
21:56:09 Barbara : Do any other state universities have something like Michigan matters?
21:56:13 sharonp : very nice - thinking across age levels
21:56:18 Durff : only what happens during counts
21:56:24 sharonp : building skills in empathy
21:57:32 sharonp : I can see language learning could also be a part of this (as someone in a milieu where my language group is the minority)
21:59:10 Jeff Stanzler : We used to do a french poetry guild, Sharon :-)
21:59:15 sharonp : elements of relevance, audience, cross-generational communication, risk-taking for improved learning
21:59:29 sharonp : cool!
22:00:01 patruffing : we remember 10% of what we hear....80% of what we experience, etc
22:00:13 sharonp : but I can see where these simulations can also be used to teach language skills (for second language learners) as well as historical and cultural
22:00:19 Jeff Stanzler : It was hard to sustain back in the day, but I think you have just the right idea...maybe now's the time.
22:00:49 Jeff Stanzler : Amen, Pat!
22:00:56 sharonp : yes, Jeff - in my context, we struggle in a culture where both languages are demanded
22:01:03 Durff : ummm....dale's cone?
22:01:24 Durff : have we seen the blog posts re that?
22:01:26 sharonp : and not all of our students in Qu?©bec find learning the other language easy
22:01:31 peter : we're talking about risk takers when students get punished for making mistakes....
22:01:43 peter : what a wonderful complication
22:01:48 Durff : we make mistakes
22:01:59 AdamH : As a former historian, I think that these simulations really do bring the subject matter to a level that history was MEANT to be engaged on
22:02:03 Durff : how else does one learn?
22:02:37 Vicki Davis : We have got to encourage mistake making.
22:02:45 Durff : yup
22:02:47 Vicki Davis : Innovation is about making mistakes and so is creativity.
22:02:47 AdamH : absolutely
22:02:54 Vicki Davis : Seeing brainstorming is so very important.
22:02:59 DBragg : and how to handle mistakes
22:03:29 Jeff Stanzler : That's great, Vicki. OuR mentor Fred told me that "anything worth doing is worth doing badly" ;-)
22:03:34 Vicki Davis : Ha ha!
22:04:06 Barbara : Thanks this was great ..I've got to run
22:04:08 Cathy Nelson : over and out until the 21
22:04:17 Barbara : bye
22:04:25 Durff : bye
22:04:34 vincej : bye barbara
22:04:41 vincej : bye lisa
22:04:49 Durff : bye
22:04:56 sharonp : blah blah blah - hate talking with that echo
22:05:08 Durff : but you did great
22:05:10 sharonp : feel like I have oatmeal in my mouth!!
22:05:13 vincej : what echo..Mac
22:05:17 sharonp : funny what the brain does in that situation
22:05:18 Durff : ewww!
22:06:14 Durff : nite ladies! great show!!
22:06:37 AdamH : goodnight!
22:06:44 Vicki Davis : Goodnight everyone! Thank you so much for coming.!
22:06:58 Jeff Stanzler : Thanks SO much, Sharon and Vicki!!
22:07:04 Vicki Davis : It was great!