Chat Log from SLN First Date 
January 8, 2008
13:00:57 jeff -> Hey Alec
13:01:04 jeff -> Hope you'll be able to join in today
13:01:33 courosa -> when is it?
13:01:42 courosa -> and what is it?
13:02:18 jeff -> It's in one hour - will go 'on air' in about 30 minutes
13:02:51 jeff -> it's a biweekly teleconference with folks from SUNY Learning Network that we'll be joining/streaming
13:03:52 jeff -> They asked me to speak at their conf in Feb, and I thought it best to have a 'first date' - getting to know each other and hopefully opening up the issues they are dealing with in their community and in online education in general to the network at large
13:05:37 courosa -> cool
13:05:42 courosa -> will join in then
13:05:45 courosa -> thanks jeff
13:06:51 jeff -> excellent - will tweet once we're on the air
13:23:10 JohnS -> Hi Cyndi
13:23:29 cyndidannerkuhn -> hey, guess I missed it!
13:47:22 Jeff Lebow -> You made it
13:47:34 alexandra pickett -> hey
13:48:16 Jeff Lebow -> Hello Judy
13:48:21 JenM -> Hi, Judy!!
13:48:22 alexandra pickett -> hey judy
13:49:50 sick478 -> mmm... funny guy indeed
13:50:27 JenM -> Hello!
13:50:40 sick478 -> more like 'vote or die'
13:52:30 Jeff Lebow -> Hello Reena
13:52:32 JenM -> Welcome!
13:53:02 judyschmitz -> oh, duh, here
13:53:47 reena.lederman -> hi
13:54:12 reena.lederman -> we are supposed to call in too - right?
13:54:33 JenM -> Yes, please call in, as well ...
13:54:50 sick478 -> that's alot of weeks
13:54:52 judyschmitz -> we are ancient
13:55:05 reena.lederman -> oops
13:55:20 sick478 -> yugma?
13:55:35 reena.lederman -> ?
13:55:39 JohnS -> You can do one if you want, sick.
13:55:46 JenM -> bandwidthy, sick-o
13:55:59 sick478 -> john is the yugma man
13:56:07 JenM -> I mean, sick478 ...
13:56:13 JenM -> :)
13:56:34 alexandra pickett -> hi clark!!
13:56:39 judyschmitz -> I just set that up for my local PTA
13:56:42 judyschmitz -> very cool
13:56:45 judyschmitz -> (voicethread)
13:56:46 clarkshahnelson -> Hi!
13:56:55 JenM -> Hello!
13:57:17 judyschmitz -> 64
13:58:20 JohnS -> http://www.yugma.com/app/loading.php?user=&role=0&collsession=200883253 
13:59:13 JenM -> Hello!
14:01:42 mstarenko -> Hi Greg--has all your snow melted yet?
14:01:50 JenM -> Hello to all!
14:02:10 Steve Mann -> Albany is melting, but still has piles of snow.
14:02:26 test IE6 -> IE6 and Firefox, both working here
14:02:39 Greg Ketcham -> Michael- what a wiseguy
14:03:51 reena.lederman -> like spring!!!! tr la la
14:04:00 JenM -> Welcome!
14:04:52 Greg Ketcham -> wishful thinking, Reena :-)
14:04:53 duganls -> hi lisa
14:05:15 judyschmitz -> wow what a radio voice!
14:05:22 Greg Ketcham -> I'm jealous
14:05:22 duganls -> jeff lebow.... my hero
14:05:31 judyschmitz -> its beautiful
14:05:37 KatStaton -> I love Jeff's voice
14:05:39 judyschmitz -> thats what my son says...momma are you blah blah blahing
14:05:46 judyschmitz -> thats 5 year old for meeting
14:06:23 sick478 -> jeff can do the blah blah blah
14:06:34 JenM -> that he can, sicky
14:07:01 sick478 -> ha. the audio police are in every community!
14:07:04 reena.lederman -> so we are using this chart envi. AND the phone conf. - for everyone?
14:07:17 reena.lederman -> chat not chart
14:07:20 judyschmitz -> yopu haev to find the yellow bar below the text area
14:07:39 duganls -> jeff is the one that introduced me to Second Life!!! Which started thiswhole Suny Live thing!
14:07:48 Greg Ketcham -> grooy
14:07:51 Loretta Driskel -> Just checking...
14:07:53 Greg Ketcham -> now we know who to blame :-)
14:07:58 alexandra pickett -> larry you are the one that introduced me to jeff i think
14:08:05 duganls -> yup
14:08:11 sick478 -> ie7 on linux!
14:08:19 JenM -> By the way, sick478 is co-founder of EdTechTalk.com, Dave Cormier ...
14:08:29 sick478 -> outed
14:08:29 duganls -> the beauty of podcast... he has no idea who I am...
14:09:01 lpirinelli -> I think I'm ok now?
14:09:08 alexandra pickett -> i think we were browsing for the unconference and you mentioned his name and i googled him and the rest is history
14:09:10 alexandra pickett -> : )
14:09:21 Steven -> I'm in
14:09:25 duganls -> funny how that works
14:12:25 duganls -> What is the relationship to Worldbridges?
14:12:45 JohnS -> Edtechtalk is a part of worldbridges
14:12:46 Jeff Lebow -> Worldbridges is the mothership
14:12:57 Jeff Lebow -> a community of communities
14:13:16 reena.lederman -> oh! Just got it! The link on the right is streaming our phone conf. Duh!
14:13:44 JohnS -> Yeah, it's the conference call + a skype chat, and everyone can listen live and jump in the chat here.
14:14:10 JohnS -> If I know Jeff, he's also recording & archiving this, so it can go out as a podcast and be posted on the web site.
14:14:23 reena.lederman -> nice
14:14:39 alexandra pickett -> jennifer's site: designed to inspire
14:15:06 alexandra pickett -> designedtoinspire.com
14:17:14 KatStaton -> I am an Instructional Technology Resource Teacher. I teach teachers in 3 elementary schools.
14:20:24 Greg Ketcham -> I often ask Michael that very same question :-)
14:20:56 duganls -> Greg... there are other reasons you feel alone..
14:21:05 Greg Ketcham -> sigh...
14:21:09 buthaina -> Hi all..Glad I made!
14:21:12 duganls -> 12 feet of snow..
14:21:21 Greg Ketcham -> oh yeah, that too :-)
14:21:37 duganls -> :p
14:21:40 KatStaton -> My biggest challenge is trying to get the teachers motivated to use the new tecnology that is available to tem.
14:21:57 JohnS -> Neat idea with the video podcasts. Care to share the url?
14:22:22 clarkshahnelson -> Great use of video podcasts, I'm doing that here, too
14:22:29 Greg Ketcham -> Hey, Mike H - there's a prototype of "best practices" distance learning techniques podcast produced by Larry Regan of Penn State. Should be available to the world at large soon...
14:22:57 Greg Ketcham -> actually a vodcast, from ALN
14:23:53 JohnS -> My biggest challenge is moving beyond "basic needs" -- keeping everything working reliably, and moving toward better integration and application of technologies. Often, "operations" takes precedence over "instruction".
14:26:13 JohnS -> Yeah, that happened to me too, Larry.
14:26:14 JenM -> Jeff!!
14:26:19 JenM -> Too funny!
14:26:25 JohnS -> Jeff's amazing.
14:26:52 duganls -> This is a world colliding thing for me...
14:28:13 buthaina -> indeed, Jeff..
14:28:24 JenM -> indeed ...
14:28:27 buthaina -> And informally :)
14:28:38 Greg Ketcham -> OMG, Sakai - I thought I just tuned in to "CSI" :-)
14:32:42 buthaina -> the first online course I took was during my MS TESOL program in SUNY! It was an interesting expereince, when we were joined by a class in Hungari but all communication was asynchronous, at that point in 1999.
14:33:05 duganls -> Still is...
14:33:06 JohnS -> async still has a lot of advantages.
14:33:11 JenM -> Yeah! We are good at failing!! :)
14:33:46 buthaina -> yes, but it''d be greater when it's integrated with sync. No?
14:34:16 duganls -> Ah... back to the "face enhanced learning" model
14:34:17 buthaina -> like this session now ;)
14:34:19 JohnS -> They both have their places. Async is easier with a global or time-shifted audience. It's also easier to index and search.
14:35:02 JohnS -> Sync is a lot more immediate, but scheduling can be a problem.
14:35:05 duganls -> uh oh
14:36:08 buthaina -> it's easier for the local Ss to meet with the prof. f2f, but not for the global; sync would componstae for that, i think.
14:38:05 catspyjamasnz_joyce -> sorry have to go. Bye
14:38:19 duganls -> how would f2f enhance for global courses. The recent World university exchange project in SL had huge problems coordinating 5 countries... but it is the exception, not the rule.
14:38:20 judyschmitz -> Just so everyone knows - I'm lurking, but not on phone - Im the web stuff manager for SLN ....
14:39:02 Greg Ketcham -> We have a pretty strong SLN community we can reach out to...
14:41:19 judyschmitz -> Ive been advocating for this actually
14:41:31 duganls -> we could set up an IM group in DOODLE
14:41:35 judyschmitz -> I think we should actually all have implants
14:41:39 Greg Ketcham -> it's not THAT kind of support group :-0
14:41:44 judyschmitz -> thatswhat you think
14:41:45 judyschmitz -> !!
14:41:49 JohnS -> You could use Twitter
14:41:54 Greg Ketcham -> well, maybe when we meet at a bar...
14:42:06 JenM -> How many on the call have a Twitter account?
14:42:15 duganls -> yo!
14:42:18 Greg Ketcham -> Nay, though I would be inclined to experiment
14:42:48 judyschmitz -> I do - but ...
14:42:55 alexandra pickett -> me
14:43:00 judyschmitz -> IM, MSN, PHONE, onlinechat
14:43:03 judyschmitz -> yes exaactly
14:43:29 JenM -> here is the EdTechTalk twitter page, fyi ... http://twitter.com/edtechtalk 
14:43:33 duganls -> GOTOMEETING, ICHAT, SKYPE, TWITTR
14:43:33 judyschmitz -> tks
14:43:36 buthaina -> I learned about this meeting through Twitter!
14:43:43 duganls -> Second Life!!
14:43:58 judyschmitz -> i have to say the angel list is so active it might as well be IM
14:44:23 buthaina -> my Skype is acting silly at the moment but will keep trying
14:44:54 buthaina -> are Ustreaming this as well, Jeff?
14:45:01 duganls -> now there is a twittr client for my Iphone!!
14:45:03 Greg Ketcham -> mm, ANGEL-L is almost real time
14:45:09 JohnS -> Yes, there's a ustream.
14:45:21 JohnS -> Should be on the right side of the screen if you're at edtechtalk.com/live
14:45:24 buthaina -> ok thanks
14:45:36 judyschmitz -> yes but what market?
14:45:55 judyschmitz -> yes you can sort of theme it
14:45:55 Greg Ketcham -> Penn State IDs use Twitter internally, they tell me
14:46:04 judyschmitz -> and you can use your phone with ittoo
14:46:10 judyschmitz -> but what kind of tea?
14:46:13 judyschmitz -> :)
14:46:40 judyschmitz -> but which starbucks?
14:47:20 Greg Ketcham -> you know, the one across the street from starbucks
14:47:28 judyschmitz -> !!!
14:47:37 Greg Ketcham -> I stole that from "Shrek"
14:47:53 clarkshahnelson -> Onion headline: "Starbucks builds new Starbucks in Starbucks bathroom"
14:47:58 Greg Ketcham -> LOL
14:50:05 JohnS -> Hey, doug.
14:50:18 dougsymington -> hi John and all
14:50:28 dougsymington -> finally made it
14:51:52 clarkshahnelson -> that voicethread asynchronous thing was excellent. Nice alternative to live meeting
14:52:34 Jeff Lebow -> http://ning.com/ 
14:55:24 duganls -> enter Doodle...
14:56:18 duganls -> but even we are specialized group... SUNY should do this!
14:57:09 JohnS -> You might be better off doing it as your own group, because it can then be tailored to meet your needs rather than having to make something general enough that all of suny can use it.
14:57:52 clarkshahnelson -> (but this is all still under the umbrellla of ed. tech within SUNY)
14:58:22 alexandra pickett -> hi dave
14:58:31 duganls -> hey dave!!!
14:58:32 Greg Ketcham -> hah, I like Dave :-)
14:58:42 duganls -> you are birds of a feather...
14:59:42 Jeff Lebow -> http://eci831.wikispaces.com/Edublosophere 
15:00:02 JohnS -> http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/ 
15:00:11 Jeff Lebow -> http://davecormier.com/ 
15:01:05 JenM -> except dave ... :)
15:01:58 duganls -> are you guys in a Skype call at the same time?
15:02:02 clarkshahnelson -> http://www.oercommons.org/ 
15:02:06 JohnS -> Yes.
15:02:16 JohnS -> Jeff called your conference from skype to bridge the two together
15:02:31 duganls -> very cool
15:02:59 clarkshahnelson -> I had a moment where I heard about Skype while listening to a n ETT podcast, but I was not on a tractor, unfortunately.
15:03:48 dougsymington -> having trouble with audio on ustream and audio stream
15:03:54 judyschmitz -> me too
15:03:59 dougsymington -> may be my connnection (or lack thereof)
15:04:07 Jeff Lebow -> think it's dave
15:04:09 buthaina -> yes, me too here in Kuwait!!
15:04:22 JenM -> I think it is dave's bandwidth issues?
15:04:36 buthaina -> yes, and I have dave's blog opened as well!!
15:05:49 JenM -> doug, is the audio better now?
15:05:51 JohnS -> Thanks, everyone. It was nice chatting with you.
15:05:56 dougsymington -> have ustream again, thanks
15:05:57 judyschmitz -> not for me
15:06:01 JohnS -> Audio on ustream seems better from here now.
15:06:17 JenM -> oh, sorry, Judy!
15:06:23 JenM -> is it improving at all?
15:06:29 reena.lederman -> not really
15:06:49 judyschmitz -> no butI have som much stuff going on its probably twitter mudwrestling with wordpress fighting with netscape scrabbling with ustream
15:06:50 lpirinelli -> Can we view the wiki?
15:07:05 judyschmitz -> I am getting audio from alex cube tho so don't worry about me
15:07:17 JenM -> http://eci831.wikispaces.com/Edublosophere 
15:07:50 Jeff Lebow -> for low bandwidth folks, you can also try listening to EdTechTalk A - links on right column
15:08:45 duganls -> Hi Hope!
15:09:08 Hope Windle -> Hi Larry. wheres the tractor?
15:09:36 duganls -> It was a lawn tractor!!
15:10:27 duganls -> It goes against everything we preach with collaborative learning
15:10:38 judyschmitz -> what, the tractor?
15:11:36 duganls -> none that he can broadcast
15:11:52 JenM -> This is Alec Couros speaking, by the way ...
15:12:27 Hope Windle -> I got bounced off and now I can't see any of the past thread ..is there any way to see all the past chatting?
15:12:46 Hope Windle -> all those great urls...where are they
15:12:55 dougsymington -> will be archived
15:13:09 duganls -> Alec, this group is migrating 3000+ faculty, how could we institutionalize that?
15:13:50 Hope Windle -> orchestrated seems like a nice word...
15:13:52 courosa -> formalized mentorship
15:14:06 JenM -> Hope ... we'll be adding the chat log to the recorded podcast, but I'll grab a few ...
15:14:20 Hope Windle -> thanks
15:14:23 courosa -> certainly courses are helpful, but there needs to be one-to-one possibilities even with numbers like that
15:14:29 JenM -> http://eci831.wikispaces.com/Edublosophere  ... Alec's course
15:14:55 buthaina -> audio is back here now
15:15:23 JenM -> http://www.oercommons.org/  ... from Clark
15:15:42 courosa -> With my teachers in the field, I work with school mentors, a few from each school ... they get the most PD, not just how to work with technology but how to work with people, then they go directly to work with teachers.
15:15:43 JenM -> Alec's blog ... http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/ 
15:17:46 duganls -> so... we would be taking the approach we do by delivering the content to a movie and the engagement piece to a multimedia interactive model...
15:18:32 JenM -> Have you listened to the Penn State ETS Podcast series ... http://podcasts.psu.edu/node/108 
15:18:38 duganls -> We would be putting the M back in MID!
15:19:33 Jeff Lebow -> chat log so far at: http://edtechtalk.com/node/2807 
15:20:44 JenM -> "The ETS Talk Podcast series will bring you insight from in and around Education Technology Services at Penn State. The show will focus on interesting uses of technology as they relate to education and scholarship."
15:21:19 courosa -> I think a lot of this so far (the parts I have been a part of) is focusing on the content ... what about the relationships?
15:21:55 buthaina -> great links, thanks, JenM
15:22:10 courosa -> I'm agreeing with Dave here .... the content is so much less valuable than the experience of socializing.
15:23:22 courosa -> nice approach, dave.
15:24:27 reena.lederman -> I liked your comments Dave
15:24:58 reena.lederman -> I have had faculty asking for more round table discussions - to share
15:25:34 courosa -> It's like putting a park bench in a park, you can design opportunities for interaction ... but these must be very carefully designed, usable, and ubiquitious.
15:25:54 davec -> focus on creating the habitat
15:26:01 davec -> put the energy there
15:26:20 courosa -> I'll look around to see. :-)
15:26:28 dougsymington -> also participants need to know that conversation/connections happen on the park benches
15:27:32 courosa -> See "Designing Interactions" from Bill Moggridge, good resource.
15:28:04 courosa -> We have a similar challenge here.
15:29:10 clarkshahnelson -> kaltura.com
15:29:37 courosa -> This is very much the process I use in my classes. The socialization is everything, the objects are somewhat disposable in the end.
15:30:02 duganls -> but now we are back to SLN 2.0!!
15:31:53 Greg Ketcham -> Aw, Hope, don't be sad :-)
15:31:55 JenM -> :)
15:32:29 Greg Ketcham -> expand that...
15:33:01 clarkshahnelson -> It needs to be a collection of tools: wiki, discussion, live chat/IM/twitter, RSS
15:33:23 duganls -> That is why we are leaving Moodle and going to the Angel instance.
15:33:38 JenM -> ah, yes! Pageflakes or similar start page that provides RSS aggregation from multiple sites ...
15:33:44 Jeff Lebow -> http://pageflakes.com/ 
15:33:51 Greg Ketcham -> I think that could be feasible...
15:33:53 clarkshahnelson -> they are all there
15:34:05 JenM -> http://www.netvibes.com/ 
15:34:27 JenM -> Netvibes is similar to pageflakes ...
15:34:32 Jeff Lebow -> http://gliffy.com/ 
15:34:48 Greg Ketcham -> I love gliffy!
15:34:51 Jeff Lebow -> http://bubbl.us/ 
15:35:06 clarkshahnelson -> ahhh, gliffy
15:35:06 dougsymington -> can we hear comparison/contrast we pageflakes and netvibes--is it as simple as PF==read and NV==read/write?
15:35:10 Greg Ketcham -> gliffy: open source Visio
15:36:16 Greg Ketcham -> http://cmap.ihmc.us/ 
15:36:37 JenM -> http://del.icio.us/edtechtalk/mindmap  ... a few other examples of online mindmapping tools
15:36:41 Greg Ketcham -> that is very cool
15:38:01 Greg Ketcham -> sure
15:38:19 Greg Ketcham -> Where's Chuck Woolery?
15:38:21 dougsymington -> lol
15:39:24 davec -> how many SUNY's do you have?
15:39:59 Greg Ketcham -> In theory, all 64
15:40:12 Greg Ketcham -> in reality, probably 30-40 represented?
15:40:47 clarkshahnelson -> via Second Life, I take it?
15:41:01 Greg Ketcham -> you mean NMC, clark?
15:41:05 Greg Ketcham -> CHUCK!
15:41:10 clarkshahnelson -> ja
15:41:14 Greg Ketcham -> gotcha
15:41:21 duganls -> oh no... an Oswego person
15:41:32 Greg Ketcham -> our number one alumni!
15:41:54 Greg Ketcham -> I'm going to try to sell Chuck on Michael Steranko's plan one more time :-)
15:41:58 duganls -> And brilliant
15:42:09 Greg Ketcham -> Hey, I gave Alex that Monroe idea :-)
15:42:46 Greg Ketcham -> excellent
15:44:59 JenM -> ... in case we don't get a chance before we end ... Please do join us live for any of our 10 live webcasts during the week ... we hope you can continue the conversation there, as well.