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Connectivism and Connective Knowledge Online Course
September 26, 2008
Chat Log Below 
12:46 coarsesalt : @mariis don't get me started...
12:46wdrexler : @George - Thank you for saying that. I haven't posted asmuch on my blog because I still don't feel that I have anythingintellectually deep to say. I'm still taking this all in. 12:46 mariis : ;-)
12:47 jennymackness : I'm with Mariis on this
12:47 voges-4 : @wdrexler So am I
12:47 ustreamer-41809 : The community practices you share the expericies
12:47 coarsesalt : This is where stephen/george and I exactly disagree :)
12:47 gsiemens : @mariis - we are tackling that in two weeks...
12:47 ustreamer-41809 : built the ideas
12:47 mariis : ah ok :-)
12:47 coarsesalt : i'm thinking the groups/networks week will be a better time for this
12:49 mmvcentro : @coarsesalt beware, we'll be back on that then :-)
12:49 voges-4 : It's nice to have time to learn, no hurry for me!
12:49 ustreamer-59767 : I totally agree, voges!
12:50 mmvcentro : :-)
12:50 ustreamer-59767 : You have both done a great job of staying in and staying out. :-)
12:50 ustreamer-6989 : I love this deph of the discussion - compared to the interview last week.
12:50voges-4 : For me it is working very well on this moment, I learn verymuch, but it is a bit difficult to share on this moment.
12:51 mmvcentro : agrre 6989!!
12:51ustreamer-30613 : I think it is too bad that people think of themselvesas drop-outs - that is sooo negative in an academic sense - how aboutsomething more inclusive?
12:51 ustreamer-73409 : CHILBO thanks to Fleep Turque
12:51 coarsesalt : @6989 you mean last weeks friday show?
12:51 mmvcentro : pheripherical learners perhaps?
12:51 jasongreen : You should have come to the session.
12:51 coarsesalt : i was a bit of a mess last friday
12:51 ustreamer-41809 : i agree with you @30613
12:52 mariis : Yes! Thanks to Fleep :-)))
12:52 voges-4 : i missed Sl till now, I will try next week.
12:52 ustreamer-35528 : There are so many implications to the ideas introduced-- it's tempting to run amok (ahead) :-)
12:52 ustreamer-6989 : @the prensky siemens plus plus show - forgot the name - we havent at germany.
12:52 ustreamer-59767 : It never hurts to aim for an ideal.
12:52 ustreamer-53863 : I wish you would meat more often in Chillbo
12:52 coarsesalt : @6989 ah.
12:52 anitsirk : @6989 but you can watch that episode online :-)
12:53 mmvcentro : I was at that point the first two weeks :-)
12:53 anitsirk : eh listen to it i mean
12:53 ustreamer-6989 : hvae seen! discussed hard about it! .-9
12:53 ustreamer-59767 : I'm still confused.
12:53 ustreamer-59767 : No! I just lost audio on my own question!
12:53 mmvcentro : David, wait a bit, paso a paso, poco a poco
12:53 jasongreen : Boy would that sound good on a flyer :) "Walk through pathways of confusion
12:53 ustreamer-41809 : ¿The experiecies to build that networks?
12:53 anitsirk : sorry andreas. haven't seen that. :-(
12:54 ustreamer-6989 : hi antisirk. Greetings to lux.
12:54 anitsirk : same back to you over the border. :-)
12:54 voges-4 : I can't imagine how it should be without being a course??!!
12:54 ustreamer-73409 : If the pathway through confusion is the standard, I'm there, baby! :)
12:54 wdrexler : Thank you to everyone. I have to go teach. Have a great weekend.
12:54 coarsesalt : @wdrexler cheers
12:54 ustreamer-56471 : I AM a pathway of confusion!
12:54 gsiemens : @wdrexler - thanks for joining :)
12:54 ustreamer-74243 : Very zen.
12:55 coarsesalt : @56471 hey. that's my job :P
12:55 ustreamer-53863 : bye drexler
12:55 ustreamer-73409 : @74243 I wrote a blog about that zen issue.
12:55 mmvcentro : @wdrexler, thanks you too
12:55 ustreamer-76221 : you handle the confusion; I'll provide the fear and panic
12:55 ustreamer-6989 : @antisirk sorry george - will forward this even when discussed hard: http://tinyurl.com/4zalsw 
12:55 voges-4 : Can stehen explain what is should be without being a course?
12:56 ustreamer-74243 : Won't a person choose their own centralized area to operate from? Is this the same as a perspective?
12:56 ustreamer-76221 : it's an extended conversation, with some facilitation
12:56 voges-4 : OK, that's an answer! thanks Stephen
12:56 ustreamer-56471 : This course needs to be a year long - at least
12:56anitsirk : @andreas. thanks for the link. i already had it. i thoughtit was the link to your discussion of the show. i guess i misunderstoodyou.
12:56 ustreamer-74243 : This course needs to go on infinitely.
12:57 ustreamer-6989 : @antisirk sorry didn't want to disturbe.
12:58 anitsirk : ok.
12:58 ustreamer-76221 : so lurking is valid participation?
12:58 jasongreen : Like the dropour post from today's Daily
12:58 ustreamer-74243 : we centralize with the centralization?
12:58 ustreamer-56471 : Argument!
12:58voges-4 : voges, voges 1, voges 2, voges 3, voges 4 and voges 5, (siavogel) says goodbye and thank you all. I am still very happy with thecourse!
12:58 injenuity : the learning started before the coursebegan and will continue afterwards. This is just a bus stop on thelearning journey. (Assuming we're still going with the bus metaphor) ;)
12:59 mmvcentro : lost sound :-(
12:59 ustreamer-4030 : Is there video?
12:59 coarsesalt : there is no video
12:59 coarsesalt : i hate video
12:59 ustreamer-56471 : me too
12:59 ustreamer-74243 : The educator sets the field, but is the field fixed then?
12:59 ustreamer-79893 : hit refresh to get sound
12:59 coarsesalt : too difficult to edit
12:59 ustreamer-4030 : Just thought I'd ask...:)
01:00 coarsesalt : and i can't do weird things at my desk
01:00 ustreamer-56471 : does this thread distract from the discussion - like twitter at a conference?
01:00 mmvcentro : refreash did not work :-(
01:00 ustreamer-74243 : lol
01:00 ivrig : centralize=reduce complexity
01:00 ustreamer-6989 : my 2 cents: The space they feel sure and wanna be expressive!
01:00 coarsesalt : @56471 i hope it does distract the discussion
01:00 ustreamer-79893 : try loging out
01:00 coarsesalt : that's the whole point
01:00 ustreamer-53863 : oh - common Stephen, pop in next week c",)
01:00 voges-4 : @coarsesalt; pourqoui
01:00 mmvcentro : I logget out already, will do it again
01:00 ustreamer-56471 : Add or distract?
01:00 coarsesalt : stephen and george have, in many other locales discussed these issues
01:01 coarsesalt : in audio... in posts
01:01 ustreamer-76221 : so Stephen, how would you define that?
01:01 coarsesalt : this is a 'live town hall' discussion
01:01 coarsesalt : where people actually get to focus on the stuff the like
01:01 coarsesalt : and i get to torture them
01:01 coarsesalt : :-)
01:02 ustreamer-74243 : too much power for one man.
01:02 ustreamer-76221 : so here, teh control mechanisms are int he hands of the learners - mopre or less
01:02 coarsesalt : that's the hope
01:02 ustreamer-76221 : George and Stephen are still driving the agenda
01:02 coarsesalt : the model has worked well for us at edtechtalk
01:03 ustreamer-6989 : i love it.
01:03 LDinSTL : I love video--just not of ME :-)
01:03 coarsesalt : I drive the agenda on this show :) stephen and george have chosen and structure the topics with the course
01:03 coarsesalt : (not reall)
01:03 coarsesalt : really
01:03 jasongreen : But you've already acked that there are too many info sources to follow.
01:04 jasongreen : And people choose which ones to track.
01:04 ustreamer-21379 : Thanks for answering that, guys. It helps tremendously.
01:04 jasongreen : Isn't that all George is saying?
01:04 ustreamer-76221 : jason - but there's a lot of redundancy, so critical insights will tend to get repeated
01:05ustreamer-6989 : so fixing it for me: everybody has his own network setof tools set of valued information - conected but different.
01:05 ustreamer-21379 : the mean?
01:06 Downes : http://www.ustream.tv/channel/downes-show 
01:06 ustreamer-6989 : yes the mean
01:06 choconancy : (that's a big invite, Dave!)
01:06 Downes : Starts at 11:00 a.m. Pacific time
01:06 ustreamer-21379 : Are you signing autographs?
01:06 coarsesalt : @choconancy ? invite?
01:07 choconancy : Dave, when you ask for comments about anythign else!
01:07 davidal : Thanks you all!!!!
01:07 ustreamer-26484 : Thanks to all guys
01:07 davidal : Was great today!!!
01:07 injenuity : I wonder if this experience would be different if the primary language weren't English
01:07 ustreamer-56471 : thank you!
01:07 ustreamer-21379 : Come on!! Make an exception.
01:07 ustreamer-26484 : Maru yes, it was great today
01:07 jasongreen : Nous pouvons l'essayer. :)
01:07 mariis : Thanks all - I was very inspired .. lots of unsettled questions to learn more from in the weeks to come :-)
01:07 injenuity : eglish is becoming less and less useful to learning and discussion
01:07 ivrig : oui
01:07 choconancy : pictures, Jenn, PICTURES
01:07 ustreamer-30613 : some of us would had been there if we had known
01:08 coarsesalt : @choconancy they're pretty well behaved :)
01:08 ustreamer-26484 : @injenuity I gues so, it would be different
01:08 ustreamer-76221 : it's hard to dance in a chat window
01:08 injenuity : @choconancy I'm quickly becoming converted
01:08 ustreamer-53863 : I couldnt get in there yesterday - the link went to your facebook Stephen+
01:08 choconancy : Eu nao credito que a appredidagem e somente uma coisa da rede.
01:08 ustreamer-79893 : bye everyone
01:08 Downes : Won't go to Facebook today
01:08 ustreamer-21379 : From DavidM: Thank you all SO much.
01:08 jennymackness : Eu tambem!
01:08 ustreamer-30613 : thanks guys!
01:08 ustreamer-26484 : From Maru, thanks very much
01:08 ustreamer-53863 : sounds good :)
01:08 Downes : be sure the link you use has ustream.tv in it
01:08 voges-4 : thanks.
01:09 injenuity : merci
01:09 choconancy : jennymackness - ;-)
01:09 ustreamer-76221 : ciao!
01:09 ustreamer-41809 : thanks
01:09 mariis : TY :-)
01:09 ustreamer-53863 : bye bye
01:09 ustreamer-6989 : bye
01:09 gsiemens : thanks all...
01:09 ustreamer-41809 : great session
01:09 salvor : bless, bless (Icelandic)
01:09 sebathuer : thanks!
01:09 jennymackness : Bye nancy
01:09 coarsesalt : cheers all
01:09 anitsirk : thank you and have a nice day / evening
01:09 choconancy : aw, I wish you had left the audio on for your debrief, guys
01:09 choconancy : The debrief of a call like this is the chocolate frosting on the cake
01:09 ustreamer-41809 : a good weekend
01:09 coarsesalt : @choconancy we don't have them :)
01:09 Downes : 'Bye everyone, got to prepare my talk on open educational resources
01:09 ustreamer-41809 : bye
01:09 Downes : http://www.ustream.tv/channel/downes-show 
01:09 choconancy : tchau
01:10 ustreamer-73409 : We need video for the debrief. GEORGE: "I'll show you connectivism" (Sock/pow) like superheroes. :)
01:10 choconancy : LOL
01:10 sebathuer : bye bye. have a great weekend :)
01:10 choconancy : I am becoming a debrief addict. I like your visual imagination #73409