21st Century Learning #90: Fred Bartels and Peter Gow

21st Century Learning #90
Fred Bartels and Peter Gow on Their Disrupted School Concepts
January 8, 2009

Fred Bartels and Peter Gow on the Virtual Disrupted Academy [8] and Virtual Country Day School.  [9]

Image from Fred Bartels' VDA Google Site.  [9]

<Click Here for the Chat Trans> [10]

2009-01-08 12:56:57  David Withrow ->  Hi Demetri
2009-01-08 12:57:01  demetri ->  hey there
2009-01-08 12:57:07  demetri ->  are they streaming yet?
2009-01-08 12:57:17  David Withrow ->  not that I know of.
2009-01-08 12:57:27  demetri ->  how's tricks?
2009-01-08 12:58:27  alex.ragone ->  Hey Folks -- Can you hear us ok?
2009-01-08 12:58:32  demetri ->  not yet
2009-01-08 12:58:38  demetri ->  which channel?
2009-01-08 12:59:45  alex.ragone ->  you can try the ustream.
2009-01-08 12:59:53  alex.ragone ->  on the right or channel a
2009-01-08 13:00:34  alex.ragone ->  Hey folks -- can everyon hear us alright?
2009-01-08 13:00:43  PeggyG ->  hearing fine-Hello!
2009-01-08 13:00:57  demetri ->  got you on ustream thanks
2009-01-08 13:01:54  demetri ->  thanks for posting the event on the ning... that's how I knew about it
2009-01-08 13:02:52  PeggyG ->  Your mom is cool!! :-)
2009-01-08 13:03:35  demetri ->  Yeah, my mom just friended me on FB
2009-01-08 13:03:36  PeggyG ->  I actually sent skype chats to my daughter --she was upstairs and I was downstairs :-) saved a trip
2009-01-08 13:04:43  demetri ->  hi fred
2009-01-08 13:05:38  alex.ragone ->  Hey Folks.
2009-01-08 13:05:42  alex.ragone ->  Going to get going in a couple
2009-01-08 13:06:17  PeggyG ->  I agree-audio is perfect :-)
2009-01-08 13:06:58  demetri ->  hey Sarah!
2009-01-08 13:07:28  sarah h ->  hi demetri  setting up blues clues for kids!
2009-01-08 13:10:03  PeggyG ->  isn't this technology amazing?! Vinnie on wifi in public place :-)
2009-01-08 13:12:46  PeggyG ->  do you have links for their sites? Peter and Fred
2009-01-08 13:13:49  sarah h ->  http://disruptedacademy.wikispaces.com/ [8]
2009-01-08 13:13:55  sarah h ->  since that's me he's talking about
2009-01-08 13:14:03  sarah h ->  that's the wiki
2009-01-08 13:14:13  sarah h ->  Peter set up
2009-01-08 13:15:33  PeggyG ->  thanks a lot!
2009-01-08 13:16:20  alex.ragone ->  http://disruptedacademy.wikispaces.com [11]
2009-01-08 13:16:29  alex.ragone ->  http://schoolcomputing.wikia.com/wiki/Designing_the_21st_Century_School [12]
2009-01-08 13:16:34  alex.ragone ->  Fred and then Peter.
2009-01-08 13:16:39  sarah h ->  http://sites.google.com/site/virtualdisruptingacademy/ [13]
2009-01-08 13:16:46  alex.ragone ->  Thanks, Sarah.
2009-01-08 13:17:33  alex.ragone ->  As we go -- Feel free to put your questions in.
2009-01-08 13:20:24  sarah h ->  I wonder how often the "other" programs end up being the places that many students really value and connect with, more so than courses?
2009-01-08 13:23:00  demetri ->  gotta run to lunch. see ya later. I'll have to catch the recording L8r. thx
2009-01-08 13:23:07  alex.ragone ->  Thanks, demetri.
2009-01-08 13:23:17  alex.ragone ->  Sarah -- We'll definitely get to that.
2009-01-08 13:23:34  alex.ragone ->  I'm interested in motivating the kids that are cruising through classes.
2009-01-08 13:23:42  alex.ragone ->  Like I did.
2009-01-08 13:24:23  alex.ragone ->  Online Learning 2.0
2009-01-08 13:24:40  alex.ragone ->  It's going to be social.  Could be in a game.
2009-01-08 13:24:46  alex.ragone ->  Could be community based. 
2009-01-08 13:24:50  alex.ragone ->  Where do you see this/
2009-01-08 13:24:51  alex.ragone ->  ?
2009-01-08 13:25:25  alex.ragone ->  http://youthvoices.net [14]
2009-01-08 13:28:21  David Withrow ->  Isn't what Christensen suggesting that schools as an institution "cram" technology into the traditional instruction? Technology provides a shift away from that kind of instruction towards a more collaboration hands on approach in location and distant learning.
2009-01-08 13:28:59  alex.ragone ->  David -- I think there are two perspectives -- 1. Drill and Kill and 2. Open Social.
2009-01-08 13:29:03  PeggyG ->  that homework model using podcasts for lectures sounds like it has great potential--makes a lot of sense
2009-01-08 13:29:09  alex.ragone ->  You can do both with technology.
2009-01-08 13:31:15  alex.ragone ->  Right?
2009-01-08 13:31:23  David Withrow ->  Sure drill and kill is using technology to "cram" a style into a technology that is far more adaptive.
2009-01-08 13:32:04  PeggyG ->  I thought the conversation with George Siemens on WOW2 this week was fascinating when he talked about how "connectivism" is understood in so many different countries/cultures around the world.
2009-01-08 13:33:43  PeggyG ->  so many different views of education around the world
2009-01-08 13:33:50  David Withrow ->  Peggy - I agree podcasts or reading homework is far more useful than the send them home to do practice "too often badly" an idea or ineffectively attempting to regurgitate answers.
2009-01-08 13:33:54  alex.ragone ->  And in some ways, you have the ability to innovate above that to have basic skills practiced with tech helping it along.
2009-01-08 13:34:32  PeggyG ->  technology really supports individualized learning based on learning styles/multiple intelligences
2009-01-08 13:34:39  David Withrow ->  Yes
2009-01-08 13:37:55  PeggyG ->  I agree--blended learning models are very important for both independent schools and public schools!
2009-01-08 13:40:19  alex.ragone ->  http://schoolcomputing.wikia.com/wiki/Designing_the_21st_Century_School [12]
2009-01-08 13:40:22  PeggyG ->  the resources are very important but often people use it as an excuse for not moving forward--saying they don't have the resources
2009-01-08 13:40:28  alex.ragone ->  http://disruptedacademy.wikispaces.com/ [8]
2009-01-08 13:40:50  alex.ragone ->  Any foundation head's out there willing to support this?
2009-01-08 13:41:06  sarah h ->  What about a "school within a school" model?
2009-01-08 13:41:19  alex.ragone ->  Any suggestions on foundations that would support this?
2009-01-08 13:41:32  alex.ragone ->  Sarah -- I definitely think this works.
2009-01-08 13:41:49  PeggyG ->  looking for foundations to provide financial support? what would they be funding?
2009-01-08 13:42:05  alex.ragone ->  COuld be Fred's idea of the virtual academy.
2009-01-08 13:42:13  sarah h ->  I'm trying to get some traction for the idea of setting something up within our middle school now for students who are having trouble, but are capable.
2009-01-08 13:42:37  PeggyG ->  that sounds great Sarah!
2009-01-08 13:43:03  DeeBeaChi ->  MacArthur-but they are fixated on gaming as the only model- and that is limited (especially for girls) http://www.macfound.org/site/c.lkLXJ8MQKrH/b.946881/k.380D/Domestic_Gran... [15]
2009-01-08 13:43:41  sarah h ->  thanks guys
2009-01-08 13:43:57  DeeBeaChi ->  Can anyone meet in CHicago at the NAIS to chat about this?
2009-01-08 13:44:23  sarah h ->  @DeeBeaChi http://isenet.ning.com/events/event/show?id=1194706%3AEvent%3A39631 [16]
2009-01-08 13:44:31  PeggyG ->  very interesting conversation--can't wait to explore the wiki and google site
2009-01-08 13:44:38  DeeBeaChi ->  Thank oyu-figured there must be somethign!
2009-01-08 13:44:50  PeggyG ->  thanks everyone! lots of things to think about