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21st Century Learning #95
Wendy Drexler on the Networked Student
February 12, 2009
Are your students collecting RSS feeds in Google Reader, bookmarking sites as a group in Delicious, blogging, interviewing content area experts they found through Google Scholar, and teaching the section of the course for which they are responsible? Wendy Drexler's students are doing all of this. This is a must listen for those of us who dream of the day when education is a more active, accountable process for students and teachers.
2009-02-12 13:03:16 cuevash -> Hi Alex
2009-02-12 13:05:25 VinnieVrotny -> Good afternoon Chris
2009-02-12 13:05:41 chriswherley -> hello.
2009-02-12 13:06:20 chriswherley -> just have been checking out the edtechtalk stuff this week, so I thought I would get another dose of learning :-)
2009-02-12 13:06:21 arvind -> hi Chris
2009-02-12 13:06:34 arvind -> welcome to the live show, have you been listening via podcast?
2009-02-12 13:06:45 alex.ragone -> Hi Matt and Chris --
2009-02-12 13:06:46 arvind -> hey matt
2009-02-12 13:06:46 matt montagne -> hey all
2009-02-12 13:06:59 alex.ragone -> We're going to get going in a couple minutes.
2009-02-12 13:07:03 chriswherley -> a little, not consistently
2009-02-12 13:07:05 matt montagne -> k
2009-02-12 13:07:10 arvind -> if the faculty aren't crying, there is no progress :)
2009-02-12 13:10:16 arvind -> folks in the chatroom, let us know if you can hear us
2009-02-12 13:10:29 arvind -> hi Peggy
2009-02-12 13:10:29 chriswherley -> no not yet
2009-02-12 13:10:31 arvind -> just getting set up
2009-02-12 13:10:51 arvind -> hmmm, doing some troubleshooting, one sec!
2009-02-12 13:10:53 arvind -> here we go
2009-02-12 13:10:56 PeggyG -> Hi-so glad to hear that. I'm late. Had problems logging in. Could it be the 83 tabs I have open?? :-)
2009-02-12 13:11:04 PeggyG -> hearing just fine thanks
2009-02-12 13:11:10 arvind -> great, just starting audio
2009-02-12 13:11:45 PeggyG -> sounding good! hearing everyone just fine
2009-02-12 13:12:22 PeggyG -> Wow! 95 shows??
2009-02-12 13:12:54 arvind -> hi cuevash
2009-02-12 13:13:01 cuevash -> Hi Arvind
2009-02-12 13:13:03 arvind -> audio is broadcasting, so tune in
2009-02-12 13:13:12 alex.ragone -> WooHoo.
2009-02-12 13:13:13 cuevash -> Already listening
2009-02-12 13:13:15 alex.ragone -> Hay folks.
2009-02-12 13:13:19 arvind -> chris, having some trouble with the chatroom?
2009-02-12 13:13:33 PeggyG -> excited to hear about your online courses!
2009-02-12 13:13:35 chriswherley -> just trying to get sound. finally got it.
2009-02-12 13:13:37 arvind -> Wendy Drexler is here with us. She teaches contemporary issues, world religions, and ap human geography
2009-02-12 13:13:43 matt montagne -> chirs...if you are on a mac you will have some probs...
2009-02-12 13:14:00 PeggyG -> and what do you do in your spare time Wendy! incredible!
2009-02-12 13:14:12 PeggyG -> Why Matt? I'm on a Mac!
2009-02-12 13:16:01 arvind -> hey bill
2009-02-12 13:16:15 WStites -> hey
2009-02-12 13:16:24 alex.ragone -> Hi Bill.
2009-02-12 13:16:27 alex.ragone -> How are you?
2009-02-12 13:16:31 WStites -> good afternoon
2009-02-12 13:16:47 alex.ragone -> Wendy Drexler is here with us. She teaches contemporary issues, world religions, and ap human geography
2009-02-12 13:16:54 alex.ragone -> from @arvind.
2009-02-12 13:16:57 arvind -> Wendy's video: The Connected Student: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwM4ieFOotA 
2009-02-12 13:17:10 arvind -> with 22,000 views!
2009-02-12 13:17:16 PeggyG -> I forgot--I shouldn't click on links during the show!
2009-02-12 13:17:36 arvind -> Peggy, they're supposed to open in a new window, but sometimes it doesn't work
2009-02-12 13:17:44 alex.ragone -> This chat room is so funny.
2009-02-12 13:17:52 PeggyG -> mine usually do but today they didn't
2009-02-12 13:17:52 guest -> personal learning environment... cool
2009-02-12 13:17:53 chriswherley -> i hold down CTRL and then click
2009-02-12 13:18:03 guest -> Alex Ragone is my hero.
2009-02-12 13:18:05 WStites -> What is the topic?
2009-02-12 13:18:07 PeggyG -> I have 83 tabs open--could be the reason!
2009-02-12 13:18:32 arvind -> alex ragone is a hero to all of us, "guest" :)
2009-02-12 13:18:33 alex.ragone -> Hi Guest. Who are you?
2009-02-12 13:18:42 cuevash -> Someone has a fan. :-)
2009-02-12 13:18:48 guest -> I lopped the 478 off the end of my name today
2009-02-12 13:19:04 arvind -> Bill, we're talking with Wendy Drexler, who produced "The Networked Student" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwM4ieFOotA 
2009-02-12 13:19:10 alex.ragone -> Social Bookmarking, RSS (Blogs) with Google Reader, Google Scholar -- to find scholars.
2009-02-12 13:19:25 guest -> wendy is very smart... enjoyed her contribution for cck08
2009-02-12 13:19:27 matt montagne -> Was there student resistance?? Oddly enough, I've observed student resistance to non-traditional learning methods like the ones wendy describes
2009-02-12 13:19:30 alex.ragone -> Assessment: Blogs and essays.
2009-02-12 13:19:46 PeggyG -> Wow! what was their most successful way to reflect on all of that?
2009-02-12 13:19:59 arvind -> hi hosi, welcome
2009-02-12 13:20:37 arvind -> Matt, we were talking about that in preshow, there has been resistance from students and teachers!
2009-02-12 13:21:13 matt montagne -> students who are trained in a 2D, analogue, paper pencil model can get a little resistant when the tasks and outcomes aren't clearly defined (students tend to really like knowing what they need to get an A, B, C, etc)...
2009-02-12 13:21:56 matt montagne -> It's a zero sum proposition for students as far as time goes as well...they have to make choices too...
2009-02-12 13:22:06 PeggyG -> @Matt-I definitely found that with my university students--they didn't want to work that hard! Do the assignment and check it off!
2009-02-12 13:22:13 guest -> I'm doing this with higher ed... Alec Couros' presentation on the internet this week would be on my 'must-see' list for teachers considering 'the network student'
2009-02-12 13:22:42 matt montagne -> @Peggy...it has been my observation as well...
2009-02-12 13:23:21 PeggyG -> Was that Alec's course session this week?
2009-02-12 13:23:34 guest -> even Prensky has said that the dichotomy doesn't make sense
2009-02-12 13:23:37 WStites -> Does anyone find that it is the teacher who are resistant to changing what type of assessment they will except from students? How do they evealuate an iMovie or some other sort of blended medai project where they (the teacher) is used to grading papers/tests
2009-02-12 13:23:51 matt montagne -> Wendy...that is great strategy...talking about it before you start helps get at the meta-congnition element
2009-02-12 13:24:11 alex.ragone -> @wstites -- You have to find rubrics for those alternative assessments.
2009-02-12 13:24:12 WStites -> Rubrics for assessment become a bigger piece of the puzzle
2009-02-12 13:24:41 matt montagne -> @wsites...assessment is the big questions...it is really, really hard for teachers to assess things that they've either never done or are not very skilled at (eg: making movies, audio products, etc).
2009-02-12 13:24:43 WStites -> Do the teacher's develop the rubric or use rubrics that may be available
2009-02-12 13:24:46 guest -> eluminate link for Alec's presentation https://sas.elluminate.com/p.jnlp?psid=2009-02-10.1730.M.813F2F207460EA9... 
2009-02-12 13:24:57 guest -> page http://eci831.wikispaces.com/02-10-09 
2009-02-12 13:25:01 alex.ragone -> I'm sure there are tons of video rubric's out there.
2009-02-12 13:25:10 matt montagne -> assessment of these media products has to go beyone rubrics...
2009-02-12 13:25:39 guest -> My university students are the same way
2009-02-12 13:25:41 WStites -> if they are used to grading a papers how do they even know how to develop a rubric
2009-02-12 13:25:43 guest -> My teachers are the same way!!!
2009-02-12 13:25:49 WStites -> for this type of media
2009-02-12 13:25:50 matt montagne -> rubrics alone don't cut it with media products...
2009-02-12 13:25:54 guest -> "Tell me how to succeed"
2009-02-12 13:26:03 matt montagne -> @wsites...good point...
2009-02-12 13:26:20 alex.ragone -> @Matt Yes, but for teachers digging in initially, giving them a structure will help them start.
2009-02-12 13:26:25 PeggyG -> I agree Matt--the rubrics just made them give you what you wanted fairly mindlessly
2009-02-12 13:26:26 alex.ragone -> Them being teachers.
2009-02-12 13:26:27 WStites -> (Are these text chats available after the fact?)
2009-02-12 13:26:45 alex.ragone -> @wstites -- yep, they are posted witj the show
2009-02-12 13:26:50 alex.ragone -> with the show.
2009-02-12 13:26:50 arvind -> Bill, we post the text chats at edtechtalk.com after the show
2009-02-12 13:26:57 WStites -> thanks
2009-02-12 13:26:59 arvind -> darn, Alex beat me to it! As usual :)
2009-02-12 13:27:01 matt montagne -> we all can evaluate writing/papers because we've all done so many of them...but the media products...I find that the media products tend not to be valued as much as the essays...
2009-02-12 13:27:03 alex.ragone -> usually takes about a week.
2009-02-12 13:27:05 guest -> haven't been able to make the show in a while... holy wow your audio is solid
2009-02-12 13:27:18 guest -> nicely done gentlemen
2009-02-12 13:27:27 alex.ragone -> Thanks, guest.
2009-02-12 13:27:28 arvind -> thanks! you can always catch us on podcast
2009-02-12 13:27:40 guest -> @arvind it's just not the same thing :)
2009-02-12 13:27:46 matt montagne -> @alex...yes, I'm with you...the rubrics are a start for assessment...
2009-02-12 13:27:49 arvind -> I hear that
2009-02-12 13:28:01 arvind -> I keep trying to cohost at a different time, but just not working out!
2009-02-12 13:28:05 cuevash -> When do they have enough of a foundation to take control of the learning envirnment if motivation is not an issue?
2009-02-12 13:28:09 alex.ragone -> Total control of the learning was the most difficulty part.
2009-02-12 13:28:10 guest -> I struggle with that "twice this week" as well
2009-02-12 13:28:28 guest -> but my teacher trainees aren't there yet either... I'm considering mandatory discussion topics
2009-02-12 13:28:37 alex.ragone -> Hi Lorna.
2009-02-12 13:28:38 arvind -> hi lorna, welcome
2009-02-12 13:28:45 Lorna -> Hi everyone
2009-02-12 13:28:48 arvind -> we're well into the show, but definitely listen to the audio, and join the chat
2009-02-12 13:28:48 PeggyG -> Absolutely Alex--take control of their own learning was my biggest challenge!
2009-02-12 13:28:56 PeggyG -> Hi Lorna!
2009-02-12 13:29:04 alex.ragone -> @guest Yep -- it's a tough road. Especially with adults.
2009-02-12 13:29:10 Lorna -> thanks for the heads up Peggy
2009-02-12 13:29:42 PeggyG -> like that word-excruciating! :-)
2009-02-12 13:30:27 cuevash -> Wendy, is your school reviewing the AP scores to see if there was an impact on learning?
2009-02-12 13:30:30 matt montagne -> hey lorna
2009-02-12 13:30:36 Lorna -> HI Matt
2009-02-12 13:31:03 PeggyG -> reminds me of the quote "To teach is to learn twice." Excellent strategy to give them purpose
2009-02-12 13:31:57 PeggyG -> talk about why you chose Moodle for it
2009-02-12 13:32:00 matt montagne -> getting others on board to develop crticial mass is key...good work, Wendy
2009-02-12 13:32:05 WStites -> Moodle seems to be the one-stop-shop for doing stuff online
2009-02-12 13:32:32 PeggyG -> just participated in the Moodle ISTE webinar yesterday and was so impressed with all it can do!!!
2009-02-12 13:32:42 WStites -> We (The Montclair Kimberley Academy) have completely embraced Moodle
2009-02-12 13:32:47 matt montagne -> moodle just simply works...
2009-02-12 13:32:54 WStites -> much to the thanks of Arvind
2009-02-12 13:33:08 PeggyG -> I had to use BlackBoard and TaskStream at my university but I love Moodle!
2009-02-12 13:33:09 matt montagne -> @peggyG...we were at the ISTE webinar as well
2009-02-12 13:33:27 PeggyG -> I was "AzTEA" at the webinar :-)
2009-02-12 13:33:33 guest -> THIS SOUNDS LIKE SHOW PREP...
2009-02-12 13:33:43 guest -> isn't that against 1492?
2009-02-12 13:33:54 alex.ragone -> @guest -- yep, that will be edited out of the podcast.
2009-02-12 13:34:14 arvind -> bill, thanks for the thanks, but you guys are the ones rockin' it!
2009-02-12 13:34:19 cuevash -> No longitudinal data
2009-02-12 13:34:32 alex.ragone -> 1492 -- are you referring to the edtechtalk 1492 doc? RE another chat?
2009-02-12 13:34:36 arvind -> we love Moodle here, too
2009-02-12 13:35:06 guest -> http://edtechtalk.com/node/1492 
2009-02-12 13:35:21 cuevash -> Particularly at the AP level
2009-02-12 13:35:24 PeggyG -> some of our K-12 districts are starting to use Moodle with their students but mainly for teacher PD
2009-02-12 13:35:26 chriswherley -> Schools using Moodle. Do you pre-setup courses for Teachers and Students from Student Management.
2009-02-12 13:35:31 WStites -> Test scores can't be the only focus on this
2009-02-12 13:35:54 WStites -> We (MKA) set up the course and allow student to use enrollment keys
2009-02-12 13:36:00 alex.ragone -> The test looms.
2009-02-12 13:36:05 matt montagne -> @chris...we enter the courses manually...but our school only has 430 students 6-12
2009-02-12 13:36:20 chriswherley -> thanks
2009-02-12 13:36:21 cuevash -> Wendy, will your research incoporate the affective learning that will occur with your students?
2009-02-12 13:36:21 WStites -> Every teacher PK-12 has a course on moodle if not more
2009-02-12 13:36:31 PeggyG -> that is the big frustration for most teachers--the "test"
2009-02-12 13:36:50 arvind -> chris, we set up courses and teachers, and teachers issue enrollment keys. like MKA
2009-02-12 13:37:01 WStites -> we have courses in Moodle for clubs, activities, admimnistrative committees and Board level committees
2009-02-12 13:37:30 arvind -> we have clubs, advisory courses, yearbook, newspaper, "announcements," community service and others
2009-02-12 13:37:38 chriswherley -> @wstites What school?
2009-02-12 13:37:39 arvind -> faculty-middle school, upper school, lower school
2009-02-12 13:37:47 arvind -> we submit teacher lesson plans via Moodle
2009-02-12 13:37:50 arvind -> lots of ways to use it
2009-02-12 13:37:51 matt montagne -> good question...it sometimes seems like folks that I connect with online know better about the things I"m doing than folks in my school...that has me a bit worried
2009-02-12 13:38:07 arvind -> of course they do, matt! I love that part
2009-02-12 13:38:23 WStites -> The Montclair Kimberley Academy... contact me directly if you have specific questions... always like to talk about Moodle
2009-02-12 13:38:28 arvind -> but if those people in your school aren't plugged into networks, then that's scary
2009-02-12 13:38:30 guest -> great show guys (and Wendy)
2009-02-12 13:38:38 arvind -> thanks!
2009-02-12 13:38:43 PeggyG -> I think it's much harder to influence the people in your own school
2009-02-12 13:38:54 matt montagne -> @arvind...agreed.
2009-02-12 13:39:00 matt montagne -> Great show everyone...
2009-02-12 13:39:01 alex.ragone -> Wendy Drexler's email address: email@example.com 
2009-02-12 13:39:05 alex.ragone -> Thanks, Matt.
2009-02-12 13:39:09 matt montagne -> keep up the good work Wendy...
2009-02-12 13:39:12 alex.ragone -> Networked Learning on the role of the student.
2009-02-12 13:39:12 arvind -> some places to find Wendy: http://www.shorecrest.org/?page=teacher_w_drexler 
2009-02-12 13:39:17 arvind -> YouTube Wendy: http://www.youtube.com/user/wdrexler 
2009-02-12 13:39:19 alex.ragone -> Networked Learning on the role of the teacher.
2009-02-12 13:39:27 arvind -> Wendy's K-12 Online PResentation: http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=359 
2009-02-12 13:39:29 chriswherley -> Thanks Wendy. Interesting research.
2009-02-12 13:39:32 PeggyG -> Hurry up and finish it Wendy so we can quote from it!!
2009-02-12 13:39:36 alex.ragone -> What does Networked Learning reallly look like.
2009-02-12 13:39:36 arvind -> Wendy on Twitter: http://twitter.com/WendyDrexler 
2009-02-12 13:39:53 alex.ragone -> Anyone out there/interested in this?
2009-02-12 13:39:58 alex.ragone -> Contact Wendy.
2009-02-12 13:40:11 PeggyG -> I'll spread the word in AZ
2009-02-12 13:40:40 abowllan -> It should look somewhat transparent...not sure how to explain that concept though.
2009-02-12 13:40:48 PeggyG -> very exciting show! thanks all!
2009-02-12 13:40:56 arvind -> thanks for being here everyon
2009-02-12 13:41:00 matt montagne -> bye all
2009-02-12 13:41:10 PeggyG -> have a great day!
2009-02-12 13:41:13 guest -> yes. we are great.
2009-02-12 13:41:13 cuevash -> ALex, Arvind, and Vinnie, thank you 4 a great session. Hiram Cuevas St. Christopher's School.
2009-02-12 13:41:29 arvind -> thanks Hiram, glad you were here
2009-02-12 13:41:31 guest -> oh no
2009-02-12 13:41:32 guest -> !
2009-02-12 13:41:34 arvind -> thanks guest!
2009-02-12 13:41:38 arvind -> you are great
2009-02-12 13:41:41 guest -> yes.
2009-02-12 13:41:53 guest -> have a good day folks...
2009-02-12 13:41:59 guest -> gonna have to make it out there someday for a live show
2009-02-12 13:42:14 guest -> It's not like NYC is a bad place to be :P
2009-02-12 13:42:27 arvind -> yeah, you should see our studio, it's unbelievable
2009-02-12 13:42:31 alex.ragone -> We're talking about you @guest
2009-02-12 13:42:42 abowllan -> hee hee hee @arvind's studio.
2009-02-12 13:42:47 guest -> oh man... and i can't hear it... seems kinda mean really
2009-02-12 13:42:55 guest -> can't be better than jeff's basement
2009-02-12 13:43:00 guest -> do you have crickets?
2009-02-12 13:43:18 arvind -> that's true, Jeff does have a nifty basement
2009-02-12 13:43:42 arvind -> hi abowllan, didn't see you there
2009-02-12 13:44:00 abowllan -> :( I responded and was just LEFT hanging. ;)
2009-02-12 13:44:48 arvind -> whoops!
2009-02-12 13:44:50 abowllan -> That's what I get for being the last one at the party...as I dance alone.
2009-02-12 13:45:09 arvind -> you can talk to the woman in teh green dress
2009-02-12 13:45:26 arvind -> John, we just ended!
2009-02-12 13:45:35 JohnS -> Whaddaya mean?
2009-02-12 13:45:38 JohnS -> Do it again.
2009-02-12 13:45:43 abowllan -> LOL!!! HA!!! :) don't tell anyone about that @arvind
2009-02-12 13:45:43 arvind -> ha ha, ok
2009-02-12 13:46:02 arvind -> what, not the whole Twitterverse, @abowllan?
2009-02-12 13:46:10 JohnS -> *sniff* It's all right.
2009-02-12 13:46:57 abowllan -> PLEASE! @arvind I am beggin' PLEASE don't share. Just share initials ;)
2009-02-12 13:47:06 arvind -> thanks everyone for being here, see you next time!
2009-02-12 13:47:12 arvind -> ha, fair enough AB
2009-02-12 13:47:14 arvind -> see ya
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