Dave & Jeff were alone at the virtual studio on this holiday weekend, so stream a mini-version of EdTechWeekly followed by a 'retro' type of EdTechTalk as they discuss how the past four years of EdTech Blah, blah, blah has actually affected their teaching.
- Length: 49:39 minutes (22.73 MB)
- Format: MP3 Mono 44kHz 64Kbps (CBR)
19:01:08 JohnS -> you sound fine, jeff 19:01:28 Harold -> we love you both
19:03:37 Harold -> 123 - Live!
19:03:45 srosman -> happy easter and passover
19:04:12 JohnS -> wow. best show ever.
19:04:43 Harold -> EdtechTalk Rulz!
19:04:48 dave -> http://www.theflip.com/store/MinoHD.aspx 
19:05:41 dave -> http://flickr.com/opoe 
19:05:52 JohnS -> If you're in the Us, you can buy an EdTechTalk Mino HD http://www.cafepress.com/edtechtalk.330481225 
19:06:31 Harold -> Hi Oscar!
19:08:16 charlieroy -> our school has ten flip minos and we love them
19:08:25 sheila -> Hi all!
19:08:38 JohnS -> <squeak>
19:09:29 JohnS -> wow. cool.
19:09:59 JL -> http://docs.moodle.org/en/User:Martin_Langhoff 
19:11:40 dave -> http://wiaoc.org/ 
19:12:17 dave -> http://webheadsinaction.ning.com/profiles/blogs/call-for-participation 
19:12:37 dave -> http://openedconference.org/ 
19:13:13 JL -> http://edtechtalk.com/node/3715 
19:14:16 JL -> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/11/twitter-hit-by-stalkdaily-worm/ 
19:14:37 JohnS -> The Mad in the House.
19:14:38 charlieroy -> nyone goint to stager"s conturcting mondern knowledge conference this summer?
19:14:52 Harold -> heard there's a 2nd variant of twitter worm out already
19:15:09 shankosaurus -> he "put out"??
19:15:32 shankosaurus -> so he is just a philanthropist?
19:15:39 charlieroy -> a budding psychopath he needs a better hobby
19:15:41 shankosaurus -> helping out the twitter developers
19:15:47 JL -> http://mashable.com/2009/04/11/skype-founders/ 
19:15:50 Harold -> must have read the Hacker Manifesto
19:16:26 Harold -> special deal of $1.7B for you ;-)
19:16:34 Harold -> joost sunk
19:16:38 dave -> http://rancourt.academicfreedom.ca/petitions/online-petition.html  http://rancourt.academicfreedom.ca/ 
19:16:39 shankosaurus -> it is a recession, you know!
19:17:22 Harold -> I give ETT an A+
19:17:35 charlieroy -> grades originated with William Farrish and a shoe factory. they should be abolished or at least reformed
19:17:58 shankosaurus -> I give Harold an A+
19:18:00 JL -> http://www.gwap.com/gwap/ 
19:18:00 Harold -> @charlieroy it's crazy isn't it?
19:18:26 charlieroy -> it is crazy. we accept too much without asking where it came from. grades have been the enemy of learnign since their inception
19:18:48 JL -> http://www.novelgames.com/ 
19:18:50 shankosaurus -> What 17% of you is female?
19:19:00 charlieroy -> 54.8 % of statistics are made up
19:19:22 dave -> http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page 
19:19:23 JohnS -> @charlieroy it's actually 71.4%.
19:19:35 Harold -> 99% of my stats are made up
19:19:36 charlieroy -> @JohnS you're 35% accurate
19:19:51 JohnS -> Yeah, but only 68% of the time.
19:19:59 charlieroy -> fair enough
19:20:03 Harold -> OMG - these people need a life
19:20:22 JohnS -> Where HAVE you been?
19:20:27 shankosaurus -> I need to see some lolcat to understand
19:20:28 Harold -> jeff has not been on You Tube
19:20:29 charlieroy -> @Harold like noble scribes
19:20:38 Harold -> I know where you live, Dave
19:21:01 JohnS -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolcat 
19:21:18 Harold -> giving the Bible consistent narrative is a MAJOR challenge
19:21:51 shankosaurus -> Maybe the lolcats can do it..... ya never know
19:22:05 shankosaurus -> it will be consistently feline?
19:22:08 sarah H -> can I get the link again?
19:22:10 JL -> http://www.woya.com/ 
19:22:19 Harold -> good point dave - good example of a community
19:22:37 dave -> @harold... i can't really believe how good they've done'
19:22:42 JohnS -> @sarah http://www.lolcatbible.com/index.php?title=Main_Page 
19:22:43 shankosaurus -> woya is not very catchy.... what does it mean>
19:22:43 JL -> http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-troubleshoot-your-windows-with-the-m... 
19:23:17 sarah H -> thanks!
19:23:20 shankosaurus -> config
19:23:52 shankosaurus -> google ads with videos make me want to shoot my screen
19:24:07 Harold -> Google is evil - or at least going there ...
19:24:39 Harold -> slate!
19:24:40 JohnS -> love the silence.
19:24:50 JohnS -> You send them videotapes, and they mail you term papers, right?
19:24:58 shankosaurus -> videotapes??
19:25:12 JohnS -> in pal format.
19:25:13 shankosaurus -> how about the paper-based manuals
19:25:27 shankosaurus -> PAL format - LOL
19:25:57 Harold -> jeff - is bandwidth a major issue?
19:27:07 shankosaurus -> That is a great idea....
19:27:21 shankosaurus -> is that really a service? Howdoi forms?
19:29:26 JL -> http://www.efl537.com/ 
19:29:28 JohnS -> How do you feel about voicethread in practice?
19:29:43 Harold -> we had issues with ooVoo but seems to be improving
19:30:03 JohnS -> Actually, that's a GREAT place to end it.
19:30:08 JohnS -> "uh oh..."
19:30:18 Harold -> ETT - the lost episode ...
19:31:04 sheila -> That's a great idea JL!
19:31:09 sheila -> Small groups
19:31:25 shankosaurus -> these are all great pieces of advice
19:31:27 JL -> http://www.efl537.com/tools 
19:31:35 shankosaurus -> are all the students North American?
19:31:40 Harold -> twitter crashes too often & is still not good for synch discussions
19:32:02 shankosaurus -> am liking plurk bec of the threaded discussions feature
19:32:22 JohnS -> Don't like having to GO to Plurk to participate though.
19:32:57 shankosaurus -> one whould have to go to a blog or some other forum...
19:32:59 sheila -> I agree JohnS. Still not liking plurk
19:33:18 JohnS -> What is he drinking? I missed that.
19:33:21 shankosaurus -> I like the people on plucrk
19:33:22 Harold -> propeller beer? - Imported stuff, dave
19:33:26 shankosaurus -> it looked like beer
19:34:23 JohnS -> uhh, yeah. would't be etw without it.
19:34:25 shankosaurus -> 'Intro to adults"..... LOL
19:34:49 charlieroy -> what is the best canadian beer in your opinions?
19:35:26 Harold -> teaching drupal to 200 people - now that's a challenge
19:35:34 JohnS -> do you try to build other tools for them to post content with, or do you always put them into the web interface? For example, some admin assts could send emails to post content...
19:35:39 jdeyenberg -> Pilsner - but I'm from Saskatchewan!
19:35:40 shankosaurus -> I like McAuslan Apricot beer personally
19:36:04 Harold -> @charlieroy check out Unibroue beers
19:36:27 charlieroy -> my only exposure to canadian brews has been labatts molson and moosehead
19:36:37 JohnS -> Unibroue is good stuff.
19:36:39 shankosaurus -> Unibroue La fin du monde
19:36:47 Harold -> @charlieroy that's sad
19:36:51 charlieroy -> i know...
19:36:51 shankosaurus -> Chambly is nice too....
19:36:56 JohnS -> excellent. But Belgian style (even if it's a canadian company)
19:37:01 charlieroy -> is unibroue available in the states?
19:37:06 shankosaurus -> yes
19:37:17 JohnS -> yes. But can be hard to find. Go somewhere that specializes in craft beers
19:37:23 JohnS -> @charlie where are you?
19:37:29 charlieroy -> peoria Illinois
19:37:39 Harold -> I know the US rep for unibroue - he's in chicago
19:37:54 JohnS -> See if you can find Hoppin Frog. Very good stuff, and I think it's available in IL.
19:37:56 shankosaurus -> @Harold that is an interesting contact to have!
19:38:04 charlieroy -> i'll call my beer salesman tomorrow. chicago is only a couple hours from me
19:38:14 jack -> @jdeyenberg I thought Bohemian was the big Saskatchewan beer.
19:39:05 jdeyenberg -> @jack ohh boh...I'd forgotten, I live in Alberta now...so its Trad Ale down here
19:39:58 JohnS -> Fox Deluxe has Hoppin Frog in Chicago. Specialty Imports has it for the rest of the state.
19:40:31 charlieroy -> @IohnS you are the yoda of beer distribution strategies. thank you for the input i'll look into it
19:42:04 JohnS -> I actually use Delicious more to share bookmarks than to save them for myself.
19:42:23 JohnS -> I rarely go back to my own bookmarks. And if I'm looking for something, I'm more likely to search for it again.
19:43:05 JohnS -> It's like spaghetti. Throw it all against the wall and see what sticks.
19:43:22 shankosaurus -> It's getting people to share that I find frustrating.... some people are hoarders, not sharers...
19:43:25 JohnS -> Give them lots of choices. Introduce lots of things. Then let them figure out what fits for what they're trying to do.
19:43:33 Harold -> US rep for Unibroue is Jim Javenkowski - contact me for more info - firstname.lastname@example.org 
19:44:19 jack -> "text" is problematic
19:44:27 charlieroy -> @harold
19:44:32 charlieroy -> arold thanks
19:44:33 Harold -> http://unibroue.blogspot.com 
19:44:35 shankosaurus -> replicability , yes, can be difficult
19:45:14 shankosaurus -> we have to be prepared to experience failure
19:45:56 shankosaurus -> scaffolding with flexibility - I like that... not all teachers can do that
19:46:14 charlieroy -> grades raise their ugly head again
19:46:22 charlieroy -> the enemy of learning = grades
19:46:41 charlieroy -> end the point jockeying in schools
19:47:23 shankosaurus -> I don't know how we can get away from it
19:47:41 charlieroy -> i don't either but i'm open to considering other options if anyone has any
19:47:51 charlieroy -> pass / fail competency lists i don't know what the answer is either
19:48:12 shankosaurus -> universities say we won't change till K12 changes; K12 say we won't change till universities change.... waht to do?
19:48:35 charlieroy -> i'm in a high school our fear is what will colleges think of our grads withoy grades and ranking
19:49:31 jdeyenberg -> I'm in elementary and our fear is what will the high school think without grades and ranking...
19:49:57 shankosaurus -> I agree, Dave
19:50:10 charlieroy -> i can tell you in my school we wouldn't care. course placement is based upon entrance test so throw em out
19:50:12 sheila -> Parents want to know the bottom line = grade.
19:50:39 shankosaurus -> I refer to what I call "professional judgment" at the end fo the day when I have to submit a "number"
19:50:43 charlieroy -> too bad parents care more about hollow symbols of achievement than learning for its own sake
19:50:45 jdeyenberg -> I agree sheila - parents need a re education to make it owrk
19:51:15 shankosaurus -> bean counting
19:51:18 @roblyons -> What does a higher education classroom look like today? Do these professors need to join the conversation?
19:52:37 charlieroy -> grading is oftren very arbitrary. rubrics help but they don't do much
19:53:00 Bryan F -> Do parents understand the difference between summative & formative assessmen?
19:53:36 charlieroy -> i don't think 90% of parents have heard those terms
19:53:36 JL -> skype in folks
19:53:48 rdrunner -> Parents want to know the bottom line because we haven't given them the alternative. We speak a foreign language.
19:53:59 JL -> +9900827048484880
19:54:02 sheila -> Our school wants to move towards standards-based report cards but we are not there yet!
19:54:38 charlieroy -> grades give power to the teacher the teachers need to be open to reformatting thier structure
19:54:45 Bryan F -> Good comment, do teachers know the difference between summative and formative assement?
19:55:15 sheila -> Parents are creating a stall because it's the grades that go to the private/public high schools.
19:55:29 charlieroy -> my sister in law is in residency now and she says exactly that. med school was a nice primer but all real learning she's done is by doing
19:55:47 rdrunner -> @sheila - explain please? "grades that go to the ...."?
19:56:20 sheila -> In conferences, they want to know the grade because of high school applications with private schools.j
19:56:28 Bryan F -> Don't we learn by doing something worng?
19:57:00 charlieroy -> thanks for a good show
19:57:15 charlieroy -> and happy easter to everyone
20:00:05 Rob Wall -> Hey - I think I just heard my name. Sorry for being such a lurker - I'm also looking after kids and getting supper ready.
20:00:06 @roblyons -> The teachers that inspire me are those who "reinvent" themselves. Is that a critical success factor?
20:00:17 Rob Wall -> I love multi-tasking! :-)
20:00:48 @roblyons -> Me too
20:00:56 charlieroy -> i'm helping my kids with homework. the endless pile of mindless worksheets awaits all so they can win a grade.... yeah
20:01:01 rdrunner -> reinvent is also about being responsive to the students
20:01:26 @roblyons -> yes I agree.
20:02:06 Rob Wall -> What? I show up and you're done? Was it something I said?
20:02:22 JL -> +9900827048484880
20:02:43 Rob Wall -> Lone parent on duty.
20:02:52 Rob Wall -> We're monthly now.
20:03:07 rdrunner -> parents don't babysit!
20:03:12 rdrunner -> they're parenting
20:03:24 @roblyons -> Rob Wall I just listened to your EdTechPosse post from Saskatoon. I was interested in your Jamie McKenzie impressions.
20:03:35 rdrunner -> student voice is important
20:05:00 sheila -> 3 already!
20:05:22 dave -> http://cribchronicles.com 
20:06:41 sheila -> 10 on the cuteness scale!
20:07:25 rdrunner -> hi Rob
20:07:40 rdrunner -> great thanks
20:08:53 rdrunner -> and Calgary is even better today
20:09:07 srosman -> went skiing today .. last day
20:12:32 sheila -> :D
20:13:37 rdrunner -> so Sun was ahead of its time
20:13:54 rdrunner -> that was me that re-tweeted. I'm really cgseibel
20:15:43 rdrunner -> Bye all. Thanks for the show.
20:16:08 srosman -> thanks all
20:16:57 sheila -> Thank you all! Great way to start the week!