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October 25, 2009
In the absense of Jeff and Jen, Dave and John break format this week to geek out on a number of different topics. Listeners could ask questions on just about any topic, and our fearless hosts took a stab at answering them. The conversation drifted through Drupal through Google Docs, the value of free software, Moodle, Google Wave, video problems, the role of textbooks, Sugar and OLPC, Android, and when to use Comic Sans.
Chat Log Below 
JohnS: Hello, everyone. Thanks for coming.
atlteacher: What's the topic tonight?
Gary: Apparently questions and answers.
JohnS: Dave's working on audio.
JohnS: So here's the plan for tonight: it's just Dave and Me. So we're going to take questions from you guys and make up answers to them.
jan_smith: Worked for me on most tests I ever wrote. Sounds good.
JohnS: It's your opportunity to geek out with us, or to just get our twisted perspectives on stuff, or to just fill in some of the things you've been wondering about with this whole educational technology world we're living in.
JenW: I hear nothing -- please guide me
Gary: @JohnS - Anything in particular?
jan_smith: is the sound on a or b?
JohnS: Dave's still working on audio streaming. Something about this cat not being compatible with something or other.
JohnS: @Gary it's a community. It's whatever you make it.
JenW: okay -- will save my question until I can hear your sarcasm :) g rins
matt montagne: hey all
PeggyG: Hi everyone
jan_smith: Hi Peggy
Larry R: Hello
PeggyG: where are you streaming today? only ETT-A?
PeggyG: I'm hearing the music on iTunes :-) Love it!!
jan_smith: hear sound! for a second play more!
JohnS: Just ETT-A, and probably ustream.
PeggyG: why does my itunes say "David Cormier's Broadcast" ??
JenW: not usually the music I listen to --
PeggyG: Virginia String Band :-)
techp: What music
JenW: but whistling along
JenW: @techp - I am listening on EdTechTalk A -- first icon
PeggyG: good to have a varied diet with music preferences :-) This is grea t oldtime folk music!
cyndidannerkuhn: crazy oldtime music, very cool
PeggyG: and besides we can play along with our iphone band :-) what fun!!
JenW: sudden quiet
jan_smith: That's because Lisa's in the house and we are in awe. :)
Lisa Parisi: Hello all. I came just in time for the sound to cut out?
JenW: I think you tripped on the wire and unplugged it
PeggyG: Hi Lisa! you missed a great tune :-)
Lisa W: Its the opening trick tech question
jan_smith: Lisa broke the internet. Way to go.
Lisa Parisi: @davec We had lots of your students in our show this morning.
PeggyG: this should make you feel good Lisa--these things don't just happen on your shows!!
Lisa Parisi: LOL Peggy
PeggyG: it was really fun to have the preservice teachers in Conversations t oday! They were great participants
cyndidannerkuhn: could be a long show with no sound!!
PeggyG: it really wants to play sound :-)
PeggyG: saw the title of the song streaming across the page but no music
sroseman: aha no sound
Lisa Parisi: Echo...
PeggyG: there it is!!!
JenW: you sound spookey
JenW: but fitting for pre-Halloween
cyndidannerkuhn: very spookey!!
PeggyG: that sounds really spooky!
JohnS: Dave always sounds spooky.
Lisa Parisi: Now no sound again.
jan_smith: that is very much like the sound when you talk into a vacuum hose
Lisa Parisi: There it is...you sound like you are in a cave
techyturner: I was wondering if was me!
JenW: you sound like you are in an air tunnel
JenW: it is tin sounding
PeggyG: Hi techyturner! Hope all is well with you!
JenW: but not in a bad way
jan_smith: someone has said welcome--twice --is that a good sign?
JenW: and then POOF he is gone
techyturner: It is going.
PeggyG: you're so funny jan!!
PeggyG: any sound is a good sign :-)
cyndidannerkuhn: nice to know even the expertc have issues sometimes, makes me feel better :D
JenW: broke the monotony of same old Dave each week :)
sroseman: Hallowe'en show
DaveC: I am just playing with windows 7, and took forever to get sound to wo rk, I thought it was me...hhahaha. Well this is the halloween show.
PeggyG: did any of you make it to the DEN Virtual Conference yesterday? It w as fantastic!! up to 400 participants at different times
JenW: we streamed it while at the T.E.L.L. conference
dave: i wonder if this is a snow leopard issue
PeggyG: Excellent JenW!!
DaveC: @Peggy, no I was out all day, rainy up here so we did a lot of errand s.
JenW: snow leopard and windows 7??? my my my ;)
cyndidannerkuhn: I streamed my class last week and I am using Snow Leopard, so doubt that is the issue
PeggyG: I think he's confused...
DaveC: Is there any sound now, or is it me?
JenW: there is NO sound
PeggyG: no sound right now
Lisa Parisi: I have no sound.
dave: 2 min
DaveC: ok. Then I'm calling another student :-)
dave: we're just bringing in some help
Lisa Parisi: I can stream but do I need to skype
JenW: loud and clear music
DaveC: I'm not getting anything.
JenW: yes, classical
mollymcginn: nothing here
JenW: lots of strings
Lisa Parisi: me neither
DaveC: oops, now winamp is saying service unavail.
sheila: my itunes is rebuffering
JenW: LOL -- ahhh never mind
Cathy E: @Jen are you hearing things?
PeggyG: I'm pretending I'm hearing the music but I'm not
JenW: no -- I bounced over to free play music
mollymcginn: Jen is it coming from inside your head or outside?
sroseman: "rebuffering stream"
Lisa Parisi: Let me know if you want me to stream
JenW: and yes, I probably AM hearing things
PeggyG: I'm watching Il Divo on my DVD :-) nice interlude while I wait
dave: hi lisa... we tried to call you
cyndidannerkuhn: mine is rebuffering too
Lisa Parisi: I will turn on skype
dave: you guys are the nicest people ever
PeggyG: Sheila can you stream it?
Lisa Parisi: I'm on
dave: my ustream crashed 4 times
PeggyG: yeah Lisa!!
dave: not sure what's going on
sheila: I can ustream if you want
jackiegerstein: Where are we tonight?
JenW: nothing here yet
PeggyG: Hi Jackie--working on streaming issues
Lisa Parisi: ETTA is streaming
dave: should be up now
jackiegerstein: always go looking through the streams
PeggyG: hearing ETT-A now Yeah!
jackiegerstein: Ustream or A or B or itunes or realtime player
Lisa Parisi: Yes
JenW: EdTechTalkA -- first icon
JenW: no one teased you
sendkathy: and I thought it was me
jackiegerstein: Found it - being late had its advantage tonight - perfect ti ming
PeggyG: we understand!! it has happened to all of us!!
JenW: we can hear you now
sroseman: we are listening
PeggyG: yes hearing you
sheila: ustream too! :)
jackiegerstein: lag is a drag
sendkathy: no more folk muzak
sheila: Ustream is very clear! Sounds great!
JenW: but there is background noises -- trying to decide is it TV?? or just conversation
alicemercer: Hi all
PeggyG: yes to ustream!!
Lisa Parisi: My house
alicemercer: I twittered my question
jackiegerstein: ustream is fine - no backgroung noise = had to switch off my itunes
JenW: yepppp no background in ustream...Thanks Jackie
jackiegerstein: : )
PeggyG: this is really interesting to hear!! Dave is definitely the "drupal guy"
techyturner: What is the topic for today?
JenW: they are taking our questions
matt montagne: Dave, question...is Drupal useful for a high school student n ewspaper??
JenW: after they ask each other questions
alicemercer: threaded comments, right?
alicemercer: Advantage over most blog platforms, more flexible
alicemercer: I want to start my own blog? Should I use drupal?
matt montagne: or, unless you want to force yourself to use/learn drupal
PeggyG: drupal has a huge learning curve!!
matt montagne: where is Jeff today??
cyndidannerkuhn: Yeah, good sound in Manhattan KS
alicemercer: I have enough on my plate with sugar and linux lately
JenW: WOW2 was a drupal for about 8 months -- I enjoyed the ETT tutoring -- but thought web design was easier
alicemercer: very clear
JenW: when it broke -- it was hard to fix
matt montagne: http://voice.paly.net/  this award winning student newspaper i s done in drupal
JenW: and was very very easy to mess things up
cyndidannerkuhn: I am listening on A
alicemercer: I know I get threaded comment plug in with edublogs, is that av ailable throughout WP?
alicemercer: Cause threaded really makes it better
matt montagne: http://www.catlin.edu/  probably the best K12 school drupal si te that I've ever seen
JenW: but it had power like no other program I used
alicemercer: And I can get it with drupal
alicemercer: "Official" district site uses dreamweaver...
Lisa Parisi: Yes...love google docs
PeggyG: we have started doing our AzTEA website on Drupal--learning lots!
matt montagne: fyi, ustream player should b streaming
JenW: nice site @Matt -- thank you
alicemercer: I use google docs for newspaper
Cathy E: My staff is rolling with Google Docs YEA
Lisa Parisi: I use google docs for all project planning.
alicemercer: I HATE google docs for multipage docs or multi sectioned
matt montagne: with bookmarks and hyperlinks within a google doc, you can do some creative things
jan_smith: Still have questions around accounts for kids under 13 for g docs .
alicemercer: School newspaper is MUCH better
cyndidannerkuhn: Is sound for Ed Tech Weekly on A?
JenW: @jan -- yes, I agree
jackiegerstein: A HUGE YES - I have been asking my graduate students to swit ch from Microsoft to Google Docs for (1) accessibility or all, (2) students don't loose their files
sendkathy: Now that google docs has shared folders it makes it easier to sha re lots of pages
Lisa Parisi: jan, we have one login for all teachers
alicemercer: @jan_smith, if you have a signed permission/AUP
cyndidannerkuhn: Or is this WOW3
PeggyG: sound today is both on ETT-A and ustream
Lisa Parisi: Yes, Cyndi
jackiegerstein: @ Jan - use Google Apps for schhols too
alicemercer: I also have a gradelevel acct
JenW: Cyndi -- wow3 will be back I believe on 11/7
matt montagne: the probblem with google docs enterprise is that you can get google doc fatigured FAST...so one way to address this is to work within one doc, use bookmarks, and hyperlinks
PeggyG: yes WOW3 is first and third Sundays
matt montagne: Google Docs Enterprise does not have 13 year old TOS
alicemercer: God forbid!
alicemercer: Wave is not a replecement
alicemercer: Yes you do have replacement, use gears
Allan: Is there any reason to choose Zoho over Google Apps? Anyone can compa re the two?
kcaise: you can access your google docs offline
alicemercer: I haven't used Zoho is so long
PeggyG: next WOW3 is Nov. 1 at 8:30Eastern
matt montagne: @allan...GE chose Zoho over Google Docs
jan_smith: @jackie does Google apps give access to full suite or limited?
matt montagne: Zoho cost money for schools...google docs doesn't
Lisa Parisi: REally Kim? Do you have to download first?
jan_smith: Drop box?
matt montagne: acually, I've found just the opposite Dave...people are afrai d of free
matt montagne: if is is free, it must not be very good
matt montagne: I've run up against the wall with the concept of free
JenW: @matt -- I agree-- but not good part -- but since it does not have a K NOWN name -- we cannot use it
jan_smith: @matt or not protected, or there is a catch
jackiegerstein: not sure Jan
alicemercer: teachers like free...
kcaise: you can use google gears and it provides desktop access and you don' t have to be online
JenW: they are wary of anything that does not carry the name Microsoft or Ad obe
alicemercer: IT wants safe/control
alicemercer: and management loves to waste money
sroseman: Has edtech weekly moved to a new time and date
JenW: @alice -- sometimes, but not always
dave: @sroseman nope. two people missing
PeggyG: John Kuglin gave a great presentation this week at the FETC Virtual Conference on the cloud and just this topic.
matt montagne: Paid software can be a case of the emperors new clothes...and that can b tough to move away from...there are many, many articles written on the topic of why people are afraid of free software
alicemercer: Well, you're at private, which can have a diff dynamic
Allan: the good thing about paid is that you have accountability. You have s omeone to get go to (i.e yell at) when something doesn't work
jackiegerstein: I have undergrads who just can't afford Microsoft office sui tes - I have become sensitive to the costs of software
dave: so we're doing a 'back to basics' episode
cyndidannerkuhn: Network Nazi's want total control. I just did a staff devel opment in a district that had no wireless, no nothin basically and the internet was so locked down it was pointless
alicemercer: IT head is getting jaded on win platform and ms suite
alicemercer: and open office is looking MORE and MORE attractive
matt montagne: Many people simply don't get it...
alicemercer: Hey, how is open office
cyndidannerkuhn: Open Office and Neo Office for Mac are both very good
cyndidannerkuhn: Moddle is EXCELLENT
cyndidannerkuhn: Moodle! sorry
alicemercer: WordPress has one, Tom Hoffman had a post on it
jan_smith: ours attracted tons of spam.
matt montagne: Why People Don't use free software... http://www.linux-magazi  ne.com/Online/Blogs/Off-the-Beat-Bruce-Byfield-s-Blog/Why-people-don-t-use-free-software
matt montagne: killer article there
alicemercer: Cause the Assoc and Super don't believe software exists outside of PowerPOint, Excel, and Word
Scott Shelhart: Tnx Matt. Tagged it for later
matt montagne: here is the big problem with moodle...stuff tends to get "loc ked up" there...course archiving is tricky
Lisa Parisi: The biggest problem I have with free is when it goes away.
PeggyG: @cyndi--that's so frustrating to try to do PD with everything locked down!! but then there's probably no point in sharing how to use them if they can't get into the tools
matt montagne: np, scott...a great read
jackiegerstein: wondering what Moodle 2.0 will be like
cyndidannerkuhn: Peggy, exactly, kinda hard to get them excited about stuff they cannot do!!
cyndidannerkuhn: But did succed it getting them talking at least
PeggyG: Moodle is definitely easy for teachers to use!! very user friendly!
matt montagne: @Jackie...that is the million dollar question re: moodle 2.0 ... don't hold breath and bank on it too much
matt montagne: moodle greadebook is HORRIBLE
sroseman: http://knowschools.ca/  is Moodle based.
PeggyG: have you tried the gradebook recently Matt? some people are saying i ts much better now
matt montagne: one thing that separates moodle from many other spaces are th e teacher centric tools like the gradebook...but the gradebook is really, really bad
matt montagne: @peggy...yes, I support teachers who use it (luckily only a f ew are useing it)...
alicemercer: Wait, you can see individual edits on a wiki can't you?
jackiegerstein: Moodle gradebook is horrible - and I find it difficult to c reate all my content - slow to upload, embed, and create my instructional activities
alicemercer: I don't think much of it...
jan_smith: Takes real skill to create learning experience in Moodle that doe sn't mirror a factory model. That said, folks need to start somewhere. Agree re gradebook
Gary: Our district decided to move from Moodle to WebCT and expected the on- line teachers to do the conversion. They don't have an on-line presence anymore.
alicemercer: Hey, are you all going to answer the questions we sent in?
Lisa Parisi: I haven't tried it yet. Waiting for time. I have the invite.
PeggyG: would love to hear more conversation about Google Wave--just startin g to learn!!
matt montagne: @Jan...that is a good point about moodle
alicemercer: WTH would I want to do that?
matt montagne: don't get me wroing, I really do like moodle...but I wouldn't recommend it for everyone...
alicemercer: I want to embed a chat...an rss feed...a podcast
PeggyG: I'm still trying to find specific waves to join
alicemercer: video, but SUDOKU?
alicemercer: I can see doing that because chat is blocked in my district
PeggyG: do you have to be invited to join a specific wave or can you search for it and choose to join?
alicemercer: so MUCH
Cathy E: still no invite for me :(
matt montagne: the platform itself is open source
matt montagne: and you'll be able to install it on your own LAN
alicemercer: Seems a little clunky
matt montagne: Google was smart to distribute Wave to the LANs
PeggyG: there's some great content growing in the wave called " Google Wave as a collaborative learning tool"
alicemercer: If I use it with a class, you want I should share?
alicemercer: I'm going to be using chat for note taking on videos in a bit w ith the 12 yos
matt montagne: I do like the idea that Wave is intended to be email if we co uld whitelist email as we've known it and start over
cyndidannerkuhn: If I had an invite, I might have an opinion!! am I alone i n not having access?
matt montagne: email is a 40 year old technology...
matt montagne: There certainly is a tyranny to email as we currently know it ...
alicemercer: the whole intro thing is strange.
PeggyG: I agree Alice!
alicemercer: If I'm on a wave, can I invite folks to it with their google id ?
matt montagne: I haven't used wave in a couple of weeks...don't have a use f or it yet
PeggyG: think you can just drag them into the wave from your contacts
kcaise: correct john
alicemercer: Yeah, I don't
DaveC: I'm still waiting for my invite :-(
PeggyG: I didn't get any invites to share when I joined
alicemercer: And Adina gave me mine
matt montagne: I think you can add people to your contacts and then they'll eventually get an invite
PeggyG: and even those who have received invites are waiting to get their of ficial invitation from Google--very delayed
matt montagne: we do have a worldbridges wave going
cyndidannerkuhn: Seems pretty exclusive!!
alicemercer: So I'm looking for sugar resources...
matt montagne: I struggle with video as well Dave
alicemercer: sugar os
matt montagne: archiving and storing video on the LAN
alicemercer: You know what I struggle with is codecs
DaveC: I have students in my edtech class and teachers from my school who ar e fairly new and my not know how to do some of this yet.
Lisa Parisi: I have paid for switch to change codecs
alicemercer: Share our favorite codecs sites
Lisa Parisi: change format
alicemercer: YES, sucks
alicemercer: big time
matt montagne: good point, Dave
jan_smith: Challenge then for teachers trying to create video to show what t hey know and to be creative.
matt montagne: in camera editing...good idea
alicemercer: I use Drop.io a lot
Lisa Parisi: I paid lots of money for an expensive camera...I use my flip ca m all the time...so much easier
cyndidannerkuhn: conversion programs, Zamzar works great www.zamzar.com 
alicemercer: then take a class, and learn
matt montagne: time-cost benefit isn't there...I would agree
jan_smith: * for teachers helping kids create video
alicemercer: @cyndi I use that one a lot
alicemercer: MM Convert is a nice cheap alternative
alicemercer: absolutely NO relationship
jan_smith: good point
matt montagne: I see this with class projects as well...I think moving video is great, but it is a monster, takes a lot of time, and takes ALOT of practice to make an effective video
PeggyG: the video is just the tool to share/learn from--doesn't have to be " professional"
alicemercer: Hey, you all have high standards at ETT
DaveC: quality and viral-ability aren't related at all. numa-numa is a good example of that ;)
alicemercer: there are points when you have to edit in narrative
alicemercer: you'll have to do some editing
alicemercer: You are preaching to the choir. I HATE doing it
alicemercer: I'm dying to hand off the editing to others in what I do for dh ...
matt montagne: By the way...a plug for the "peace dot" project we're working on: http://twitter.com/peacedot 
alicemercer: I hate doing it, lol
DaveC: Your vision is never what you'll end up with.
matt montagne: even voicethread is a way to simplify the digital storytellin g process
dave: http://www.youtube.com/uofpei#p/a 
jan_smith: so working with images is the way to go. then edit together in WM M for example
alicemercer: http://drop.io/deterding 
matt montagne: great questions
jackiegerstein: They are by my definition
alicemercer: they have been...but no one in charge realized it yet
Lisa Parisi: They are not obsolete until districts provide an alternative.
PeggyG: there were a couple of great sessions at FETC on Beyond Textbooks--t he teacher panel was really informative
matt montagne: Open Source Textbook project out of Palo Alto... http://ck12.  org/flexr/ Lots of math and science texts
jackiegerstein: they take too long to publish and really have the biased vie wed of only a few authors
jackiegerstein: Textbooks and books are two very different things!
alicemercer: Hey anyone teaching during Math their way, and Word their way?
alicemercer: And lit units, etc?
alicemercer: words their way
Lisa Parisi: I've used math their way
alicemercer: NOw, there is an expensive way to pay when you get the article based text.
alicemercer: no text, right?
matt montagne: I like John S's thinking on how we can pay teachers to create their own texts...and then share them
alicemercer: @parisi no text right?
sroseman: I have used Math Their Way
alicemercer: Still NOT answering my question on Sugar OS resources [foot tap ping]
matt montagne: Kids do only tend to read 25% of a text...if that
PeggyG: that's exactly what I liked about the beyond Textbook approach they are using in Vail AZ--creating their own online curriculum!
alicemercer: (foot tapping)
alicemercer: No, we are paying folks to find something that won't offend tx and won't offend ca, and
alicemercer: but it's not bland and even
jackiegerstein: with the internet you can take the bits yourself to create y our learning resources for your students - textbooks created via Diigo links!
matt montagne: institutional momentum...makes it tought to move away from th e existing paradigm
alicemercer: and we don't like everything that another teacher comes up with
jackiegerstein: LOL Alice
alicemercer: it just doesn't fit, so we monkey around with the text we're gi ven
DaveC: I would love to get an electronic version of a text book, localize it and change the order to meet other things we're doing (such as reading about Paul Revere in April would make more sense than November) and using a print-on-demand to create them.
alicemercer: @jackie, it's true!
jackiegerstein: I was LOL at your foot tapping
Lisa Parisi: For me they just take up space I could use for something else.
alicemercer: Texts are dead and have been dead, we just haven't admitted it yet. like franco
Lisa Parisi: But as a new teachr, I liked knowing what to do
jackiegerstein: Always hated textbooks even as a kid
jan_smith: build your text in a wki with the students.
PeggyG: maybe they don't know about Sugar OS :-)
matt montagne: It is cool how the CK-12 Flexbooks were updated last week to reflect NASA's finding of water molecules on the moon...that is cool
DaveC: The "nook" was announced this week to compete with the Kindle.
alicemercer: I think so, j'accuse! I come here for information, and do I get help?
jackiegerstein: Why then do college students run to the bookstore at the end of the semester to sell them back if they were valuable resources?
DaveC: Nook is from Barnes & Nobel.
Lisa Parisi: I think I am leanign toward a Nook, DaveC
DaveC: I like that the nook uses epub and should be able to work with some l ibrary loaned books.
PeggyG: there is an entire curriculum with teaching resources available to t he new teachers in Vail and teachers are updating it with resources all the time
DaveC: The screen isn't in color though, I think the announcmeent was mislea ding.
alicemercer: Then they tried NON-sequential
alicemercer: with a lot of math texts like Saxon, which used "spiraling"
kyteacher: @jan_smith I'm hoping to build text online with students. Still trying to work out the details...
alicemercer: and it just goes by to fast for the ELs
DaveC: Most subjects are spiral or cyclic, or people would be done learning reading in grade 2.
matt montagne: many of our students carry not just one, but two backpacks: h ttp://www.flickr.com/photos/mjmonty/4044804866/
alicemercer: it's the east Dave, not the midwest, lol more upper south
kyteacher: Hopefully...I'm going to experiment with one class to start with.
PeggyG: http://beyondtextbooks.org/  This is the site that explains what they are doing in Vail AZ to create the curriculum for their 1:1 laptop programs
kyteacher: Depends on who you ask.
alicemercer: Always the critic
PeggyG: Vail uses very few textbooks in their curriculum
kyteacher: Most here call it the South.
jan_smith: Not quite--you dip into the passion/direction of the group and th en from their build common understanding
alicemercer: @peggy, why am I not surprised? Is it upper income?
jan_smith: Collaboration is the thing they are learnig Dave
alicemercer: Sugar, sugar, sugar?
PeggyG: not at all Alice--lower income public schools
alicemercer: I'm so evil
kyteacher: Current plan - let them start by hyperlinking notes, etc. then ad d new tools to get them to dig deeper.
matt montagne: did you see it used in Africa John??
alicemercer: PC Jr
PeggyG: they put their money into laptops instead of textbook adoptions
jan_smith: Bah Bah Bah bah bah --ah honey honey ...you are my...
jan_smith: David Cassidy?
alicemercer: but are there support groups?
alicemercer: @jan_smith the archies
jan_smith: ooh right!
alicemercer: I don't care if anyone else uses it, I'm looking for support ne twork
alicemercer: is this the concept show?
alicemercer: Of course I don't make sense
alicemercer: I think you have a narrow view of literacy
alicemercer: in this sense...
alicemercer: the OS actually looks really good for language learners
PeggyG: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Welcome_to_the_Sugar_Labs_wiki 
matt montagne: with Linux and many other powerful, free operating systems (G oogle Chrome is coming), I don't see the point of Sugar in K12
jackiegerstein: @Peggy - did you see the Vail presentation from FETC?
PeggyG: http://www.sugarlabs.org/ 
alicemercer: Hi Peggy thanks
PeggyG: yes I watched both the keynote and the panel at FETC
alicemercer: Yeah, I'm not picturing using it Africa, and lord knows I've ha d my criticism of OLPC
matt montagne: I'd rather kids develop for Android
Lisa Parisi: I have an android phone
jackiegerstein: @Peggy - why did I even ask - of course you did ; )
matt montagne: the Barnes and Noble reader will run on Android
alicemercer: BUT I think it might be a really great tool for some of the par ents learning English at early stage
alicemercer: since it's more graphical
matt montagne: I'm quitting the iPhone in February...
PeggyG: I loved the entire FETC virtual conference!! great learning experien ce!
matt montagne: I'm excited about the number of Android handsets coming to ma rket
jan_smith: Close your eyes for one minute and a whole new language and genre of apps bursts on the scene. Makes you want to bunker down.
Lisa Parisi: Love my android and like the tmobile service MUCH better than A TT
jackiegerstein: The FETC vritual conference interface was incredible
alicemercer: Matt, is android a platform beyond phone?
JohnS: http://i.imgur.com/W6zzI.jpg 
alicemercer: I've annoyed enough
PeggyG: I think FETC provides a very good model for virtual conferences :-)
dave: @alicemercer i hope i was doing the annoying :)
matt montagne: @alice...android is being run on all sorts of devices, includ ing computers (the Nook eReader from Barnes and Noble will run on it)
alicemercer: I have used Comic Sans, with 7 year olds
matt montagne: Great show all
matt montagne: fun stuff
PeggyG: another really interesting virtual conference is VTC being run on Mo odle!
matt montagne: @PEggyG...will check that out
alicemercer: No worries @dave
PeggyG: http://moodle.esc11.net/vtc/ 
DaveC: oh, that's not confusing :-)
PeggyG: great conversation tonight!! wheels are spinning!!
sroseman: FETC was unique. Sort of resembled second life without the movemen t
kyteacher: Joined at the last minute, but great conversation. Always enjoy when I remember...
PeggyG: it was a really interesting way to interact with the exhibitors! mad e some great contacts throughout the conference
alicemercer: Hey anyone see Durff, Jose, or Maria Knee?
PeggyG: lots of very good links and ideas were shared in the chat throughout the day at FETC
alicemercer: ALL CAPS IN COMMENTS WORKS
alicemercer: Peggy, what was your favorite part?
PeggyG: the K12online conveners meet every Tuesday night--why Alice?
JohnS: http://www.u2.com/news/title/live-on-youtube-this-sunday 
matt montagne: 8:30 pacific
matt montagne: looking forward to U2 tonight
alicemercer: Oh, we've got a show tomorrow, I think...
PeggyG: I loved Chris Dede and also the Math fluency presentation! But also loved the final cloud presentation by John Kuglin
matt montagne: lot of fun everyone
alicemercer: There have been a lot of last minute cancellations
alicemercer: Also, calling out Dave C
alicemercer: I like Chris Dede
PeggyG: good luck Alice!
alicemercer: Yeah, geocities gone
alicemercer: If you don't pay
alicemercer: I had a bunch of stuff up there
sroseman: Thanks all
PeggyG: I love Chris Dede and he made an outstanding case for mobile phones in learning in that presentation
alicemercer: I have to find all the picks
alicemercer: Hey, it got me started
alicemercer: Yeah, it was a place to do that
alicemercer: My first class web pages were geocities
PeggyG: not sure about angelfire--all of my bookmarked sites seems to be gone
PeggyG: night everyone!