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In a busy week with conferences and conventions--physical and and online--going on all over, it was good to stop and think about what we want schools to look like. On this episode of Teachers Teaching Teachers , Paul Allison introduces his Assistant Principal, colleague and friend Ron Link to Monika Hardy and Mary Ann Reilly. Ron is cooking up ideas for a new school, and many of his thoughts have seemed parallel to some of what Monika and Mary Ann have been talking about at labconnections.blogspot.com . Andrea Zellner and David Wees are always a delight to hear from! Enjoy this conversation, and let's keep talking about what we want schools to look like. Joining this episode are: monika hardy , Ron Link , Andrea Zellner , Mary Ann Reilly , David Wees , and Paul Allison 
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20:53:12 Bronst: Hi Paul
20:53:46 Bronst: Does the session start in the hour?
20:53:58 Bronst: *on the hour?
20:54:49 PeggyG: Hi everyone!
20:55:25 PeggyG: I think I see some favorite people here in the room! Is this a followup to the Global Ed Presentation? :-)
20:55:43 PeggyG: Hi Bron and Jokay :-)
20:55:58 Bronst: Hiya Peggy - you escaped GlobalED
20:56:18 jokay: *waves* ;) hihi
20:56:45 PeggyG: yes Bron!! Didn't want to miss this! :-)
20:56:49 jokay: i haz one eye on wordpress.. multitask girl here.. so apologies if i get behind in text chat ;) ... thought i'd come and listen in ;)
20:57:08 PeggyG: that's great jokay!!
20:57:49 PeggyG: I'll just be watching and chatting and won't be in Google Hangout. Is that where you are Bron? Hangout?
20:57:56 Bronst: We girls need to have a clone to do all we want
20:58:03 PeggyG: that's the truth!!!
20:58:08 Bronst: No I am just here
20:58:18 Bronst: not in Hangout
20:58:25 PeggyG: ok! no bandwidth problems then :-)
20:58:55 Bronst: is everyone getting noise when Paul in in video?
20:59:14 PeggyG: yes
20:59:26 PeggyG: looks like Paul is still working on the setup
20:59:33 Bronst: okey dokey
20:59:39 jokay: Yeah.. lotsa statics... the joys of audio wrangling.. go paul gooo ;)
20:59:47 PeggyG: I try to come to Teachers Teaching Teachers every week because it's always so interesting!!
20:59:55 PeggyG: that's Paul thinking out loud :-)
20:59:59 Bronst: There are days when I just don't need video of me put out there
21:00:16 Bronst: yes always interesting
21:00:45 PeggyG: I know what you mean! But you looked great on the camera at Global Ed :-)
21:01:00 PeggyG: hearing you now Paul :-) Life is good!
21:01:36 PeggyG: waiting patiently! always worth the wait!
21:02:18 PeggyG: hearing everyone now :-)
21:02:24 PeggyG: Monika is soft
21:04:01 PeggyG: Bron did you get to see the SIGVE presentation yesterday? Action Research project on use of virtual environments for teaching digital citizenship
21:04:20 PeggyG: I watched it in BlackBoard Collaborate thanks to Scott Merrick streaming it :-)
21:04:22 Bronst: no I did not - yesterday was manic for me
21:04:34 PeggyG: it was really interesting!
21:04:36 Bronst: it was recorded though so will catch up
21:04:40 PeggyG: exactly!!
21:04:53 PeggyG: Hi Scott! Great to see you!
21:05:09 PeggyG: electricity Monika??? does that mean you have heat and lighting?
21:06:34 Paul Allison: Hi Maryann Will you be joining us?
21:07:10 PeggyG: where are you jokay?
21:07:20 PeggyG: I'm in Phoenix AZ
21:07:35 jokay: I'm in Wollongong, Australia ;)
21:07:54 PeggyG: incredible!! both you and Bron are in Australia!1 What time is it now?
21:08:11 PeggyG: Hi Ryan! Great to see you!
21:08:13 jokay: 1pmish here ;)
21:08:40 PeggyG: that's a perfect time! It's 7:00pm Wed. night here.
21:08:47 @ryanbretag: Thanks, Peggy. Happy to be here.
21:08:57 PeggyG: still doing some setup
21:10:00 PeggyG: Everyone in the Google Hangout is not here in this chat. Sure wish they were
21:11:06 PeggyG: that sounds like a great conference--everyone sharing shared knowledge and not a lot of presentations!
21:11:28 PeggyG: what's a hackjam?
21:12:18 PeggyG: I love this technology!!!
21:13:48 PeggyG: Paul your voice is a lot louder than hers
21:14:20 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Hmmm. click on join the hangout, but it takes me to a different hangout.
21:14:58 PeggyG: he's not talking about this chat--I think he means the google hangout chat
21:15:17 Bronst: Is the topic for today's discussion new schools and places for learning?
21:15:28 PeggyG: lots of important people here in this chat!!
21:15:30 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Can I have a correct link to the hankout, please
21:15:32 PeggyG: yes Bron
21:15:48 PeggyG: they're getting warmed up to the topic...
21:16:52 PeggyG: I don't know the link Scott. Sorry. Maybe Paul will respond
21:17:43 PeggyG: that's really funny!! failing schools to fail less...
21:19:15 PeggyG: is there a way to share that document with us?
21:19:24 PeggyG: HS alternative plan
21:19:30 Bronst: can we have the link?
21:19:44 PeggyG: she said it was an uploaded doc to Hangout
21:20:43 PeggyG: now we can see it but it's really tiny
21:21:07 PeggyG: love the sounds of a Humanities High School
21:23:13 PeggyG: these alternatives sound really good
21:25:08 Bronst: how is another school an atlernative to school? I think I get what David was saying - should we consider more radical solutions/
21:25:21 PeggyG: I agree Bron
21:25:59 PeggyG: an alternative HS is just another facility with a different focus
21:26:16 Bronst: Alternative HS is still as school and schooling is the problem not the solution
21:26:28 PeggyG: I agree
21:26:47 PeggyG: maybe Paul will raise the issue for MaryAnn to respond
21:27:25 PeggyG: Monika's school would look very different :-)
21:28:43 PeggyG: I remember the schools without walls and all of them brought back the walls
21:29:29 Bronst: yes once it is a school it wants to conform to a certain shape - maybe its "school physics"
21:29:57 Bronst: Need a new paradigm
21:30:25 PeggyG: yes we do!
21:30:33 PeggyG: I hope Monika will jump in
21:30:39 PeggyG: there she is
21:31:44 PeggyG: Monika, can you share your vision for learning environments?
21:31:49 Bronst: there are 11 of us across 2 technologies
21:32:09 Bronst: Hangout and stream not being bridged?
21:32:13 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): THe list is never finalized because it is always evolving.
21:32:21 PeggyG: no they aren't bridged except for the video stream
21:32:40 PeggyG: Paul needs to be the bridge between our chat and the people in the Hangout
21:32:42 Bronst: But Paul is on both to bridge them right?
21:33:05 PeggyG: yes
21:38:22 Bronst: with or without walls is still a school - get revolutionary and think outside that
21:39:00 PeggyG: you need to be in the Hangout Bron!
21:39:19 Bronst: no - not up for video
21:39:32 PeggyG: put paper in front of your camera :-)
21:39:53 PeggyG: your voice needs to be heard :-)
21:39:53 Bronst: he he - would look better
21:41:19 Bronst: I have been working online since 5am and not done my hair yet :-(
21:41:33 PeggyG: :-) a waste of time! don't bother!
21:42:16 Bronst: Technology wont make a jot of difference if we dont change the paradigm.
21:42:34 PeggyG: do you think that virtual worlds have changed that paradigm?
21:42:47 Bronst: yes and so has homeschooling
21:42:56 PeggyG: yes and unschooling too
21:43:07 Bronst: lots of things show us that "schooling" and schools are not the only answer
21:43:34 PeggyG: @Paul--are you seeing this chat? can you share it with the people in the Hangout to respond to?
21:43:46 Bronst: You dont have to be in school to have teachers, mentors, inspirations etc
21:44:10 Bronst: kids are finding their own spaces to learn and be valued
21:44:33 Bronst: as are teachers
21:44:46 PeggyG: I totally agree with that Bron! In fact kids turn away from it in schools because they view all of those roles as authority
21:45:02 Bronst: PLNs, networks, communities, games, virtual worlds etc etc
21:46:17 Bronst: there are kids in Massively Minecraft and QUEST ATLANTIS who are valued as leaders and elders, they demonstrate a passion for learning and coaching and yet in their schools they are overlooked and considered failures.
21:46:34 PeggyG: that is a great point!!
21:47:50 PeggyG: they don't need mentors in Quest Atlantis because they are all valued as leaders and everyone is a potential mentor for anyone else
21:47:51 Bronst: I have friends who home schooled all their kids and in High Sschool they could go to school just for the classes they wanted. they were part of a home school netowrk and they are all passionate learners
21:48:19 Bronst: they had a blended environment
21:48:34 PeggyG: who was doing the teaching in their home schooling? parent? someone else? did they use a curriculum?
21:49:04 Bronst: parent is teaching - but they are in a home schooler network for support etc
21:49:20 PeggyG: aha! thanks
21:49:23 Bronst: One of the children is a brilliant composer
21:49:28 Bronst: now
21:49:51 PeggyG: I've seen a lot of homeschool situations where the parent keeps them at home but purchases a curriculum and expects the kid to follow the curriculum
21:50:04 PeggyG: that makes me crazy!
21:50:14 PeggyG: there really are some brilliant homeschooled kids
21:50:15 Bronst: I jsut don't think our thinking is radical enough - maybe we do have to throw out ALL the bath water to save the baby
21:50:20 PeggyG: but they aren't all...
21:51:06 PeggyG: what an introduction!! Talk about mindfulness and your other crazy ideas :-)
21:51:25 Bronst: homeschooler we had in QA told me they felt restrained - someone else was decising what curriculum they would follow. Thye were used to being self-managed learners.
21:51:45 PeggyG: that's an ideal homeschooled student!
21:51:54 Bronst: That is when we designed the Student Congress
21:52:24 PeggyG: I don't think Paul has seen our conversation and it disappears as it keeps scrolling down :-(
21:52:33 Bronst: yes there are lots of not-so-good homeschool environments - they have "schooling" in a lot of them
21:52:39 PeggyG: I love the concept of the Student Congress!!! That is amazing!
21:53:10 Bronst: it has been amazing and a privilege to be part of
21:53:29 PeggyG: some of the homeschooled students that came back to the school where I was a principal were not schooled at all! I think the parents kept them out for their own convenience and not to give them a different education
21:54:33 Bronst: yes that is true
21:54:48 Bronst: fear, laziness, lasse faire etc etc
21:54:53 PeggyG: yes
21:54:58 Bronst: but there lots of brilliant one
21:55:05 PeggyG: I agree :-)
21:55:47 Bronst: QA and Minecraft are showing us that kids can direct their own learning - maybe not for 100% yet but we have to open ourselves up to it
21:56:21 PeggyG: the interview with Howard Gardner this afternoon in Global Ed was really interesting as he talked about ethics
21:57:10 Bronst: Sugarta mitras work also shows how redundant schooling is in some contexts
21:57:38 PeggyG: yes! great example!
21:57:52 Bronst: How much can kids do for themeselves - do we even know? if we never step back and get out of their way will we ever find out?
21:58:50 jokay: Amen bron... the kids in massively minecraft teach me every day to shut up and listen to them! ;)
21:59:36 PeggyG: that is something that Monika says every week here!!! we need to listen to the kids!
22:00:18 Bronst: schooling is about broadcast - learning is multidirectional, viral, messy, unpredicatble
22:00:43 PeggyG: I wish we could get the two parts of this session together!!!
22:00:49 Bronst: yes
22:01:02 Bronst: PAUL! great discussion going on here!
22:01:37 PeggyG: @Andrea are you in the Google Hangout?
22:01:48 Bronst: Don't use 2 communication technologies if they cannot be blended somehow
22:01:59 PeggyG: they should be able to be blended!
22:02:17 Bronst: GOing out into the world with students - students ARE in the world!
22:02:41 PeggyG: :-) I want to reach out and give you a hug Bron!!! I agree!!
22:06:04 Bronst: yes we are on a wavelength different you and i Peggy. But i am getting very frustrated here
22:06:41 PeggyG: yes! wish our voices could be heard....
22:06:42 Bronst: We know the vision needs to be more radical to at least question the funadamentals of what we do
22:07:05 PeggyG: someone in the hangout needs to be monitoring this chat
22:09:59 Bronst: tried to message Paul in twitter - but i need to go soon
22:10:12 PeggyG: he isn't on twitter right now...
22:10:28 PeggyG: time is almost up but I plan to contact him about our frustrations
22:10:29 jokay: Ok.. has been an interesting listen and a kinda frustrating remote chat.. but thanks all! ;) .. must get back to works!... the little miners will be home from school soon! ;)
22:10:38 PeggyG: I'm so glad you were here Bron and Jokay!
22:10:50 PeggyG: you are great company111
22:10:51 jokay: Take care Peggy!! Seeya in the skypes Bron! ;)
22:11:03 jokay: *waves* to all!
22:11:04 PeggyG: you too jokay and Bron.
22:11:04 Bronst: thx Peggy - always worth it meeting up with you!
22:11:12 PeggyG: bye! for me too Bron!
22:11:28 Bronst: ahhhh - if only we rules the world ;-)
22:11:36 PeggyG: we don't?????
22:11:41 Bronst: he he LOL
22:11:57 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): The edge of the abyss is where you find the best view.
22:11:59 PeggyG: you're the bright spot in my evening
22:11:59 Bronst: OK - yes i forgot to assume we do
22:12:09 PeggyG: yeah Scott!!! where have you been?
22:12:13 Bronst: great point Scott
22:12:26 Bronst: Scott says
22:12:26 PeggyG: did you ever get into the hangout Scott?
22:12:32 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Working on my portfolio tonight... couldnt chat
22:12:36 PeggyG: oh ok
22:12:37 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Yes, Im in the hangout
22:13:02 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I How are things with you?
22:13:02 PeggyG: we are disappointed that our chat here wasn't passed on to the hangout
22:13:16 PeggyG: we feel really left out and our voices aren't being heard
22:13:38 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Hmmm. Paul usually watches the chat. Not sure what is up tonight
22:13:45 PeggyG: he's not watching tonight
22:13:59 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I see that.
22:14:15 Bronst: OK I am off - great to get t follow you Scott1
22:14:17 Andrea: just catching up on the chat: yes, I am in the Hangout...someone asked. I have troulbe paying attention to both.
22:14:25 PeggyG: bye Bron!!! great chatting with you
22:14:31 Bronst: always on the lookout for thought leaders and stirrers
22:14:36 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Bye Bron
22:14:37 PeggyG: thanks Andrea
22:14:58 Bronst: bye - hugs
22:15:23 PeggyG: hugs back
22:15:48 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I just gave ETS a bunch of my money
22:16:14 PeggyG: for a teacher exam?
22:16:32 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Yes. Praxis exam and reading specialist exam
22:16:32 PeggyG: ETS will happily take our money!
22:16:46 PeggyG: hope you did well!!
22:17:00 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I almost aced the Praxis (193/200).
22:17:11 PeggyG: wow! that's fantastic!
22:17:45 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Reading spec. cut score is really low. I'll be fine. Should have my license around Jan. 1st
22:18:03 PeggyG: it's been a long haul but that is great news!!
22:18:15 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): Thanks. It has been a long 5 years.
22:18:29 PeggyG: Congrats to you!!!!
22:18:57 Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr): I'm starting to get serious about the job search. Drop me a line if you hear of anything interesting.
22:19:00 PeggyG: good night all