The Revolution will be Humanized: The Glass Age Approaches
Jeff - Tue, 2013-05-28 02:16
The Revolution will be Humanized: The Glass Age Approaches
May 27, 2013
Particpants; Alexander Hayes, Steve Mann, Jeff Lebow, Dave Cormier, Vance Stevens, Maria Droujkova, Rob Permanus, Mattias Davidsson, Michael Coughlin
From Vance's write-up on Learning2gether.net
Google Glass: http://www.google.com/glass
Vuzix Smart Glasses: http://www.vuzix.com/consumer/products_m100.html
- sousveillance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance
- equiveillance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equiveillance
- Mcveillance: the installation or using of surveillance cameras while simultaneously prohibiting people from having or using their own cameras, hand-held magnifiers, smartphones, or the like. http://eyetap.blogspot.kr/2012/10/mcveillance-mcdonaldized-surveillance.html
- Augmented Reality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augmented_reality
- Mediated Reality: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediated_reality
- Cyborg Anthropology: http://cyborganthropology.com/
Other links mentioned:
http://wearcam.org/veillance/veillance.pdf (Steve Mann's site)
conference lanyards: https://plus.google.com/u/0/105794778193423719348/posts/jgxKaBTZCGn
http://memoto.com (lifelogging clipon)
http://autographer.com (world's first wearable intelligent camera)
http://ael.gatech.edu/lab/ (impact on education)
About Math Trek:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVA1jTAuA68
https://support.google.com/glass/answer/3064131?hl=en (Google Glass Help)
http://blog.autographer.com/2013/05/the-future-of-lifelogging-interview-with-gordon-bell/ (on future of lifelogging)
http://interaxon.ca/ (maps parts of brain allowing you to operate camera)
ISTAS 13: June 27~29th http://veillance.me
...presenters and panellists will address the implications of living in smartworlds - smart grids, smart infrastructure, smart homes, smart cars, smart fridges...smart people. ISTAS'13 will bring together participants sharing research, projects, and ideas about people living in smart environments.
May 27, 2013
22:22vance: hi nice handout
22:25Cristina Costa: hello
22:31vance: hi cristina, great to see you
22:32vance: shouldn't that be what's up doc?
22:33paul: hi jeff..looking forward to viewing one of these live
22:35kathy shields: good morning from georgia, usa
22:35Peggy George: Hi everyone! what a fun conversation for today!! Great to be here with you!
22:36Peggy George: Hi Jeff and Vance :-)
22:37kathy shields: I'm looking forward to this discussion.
22:37kathy shields: Hi Jeff!
22:37Peggy George: hope you have no issues with the time limit today. Our Teachers Teaching Teachers sessions often last more than an hour.
22:37kathy shields: I know, just doing lots of listening.
22:38Peggy George: the pre-show chats are always fun. :-) They're getting us warmed up!
22:38Peggy George: I'm just about to make my coffee. :-) Just waking up!
22:43Peggy George: why don't you all use Lower Thirds so we can see your names?
22:44Peggy George: Yeah! There it is Jeff :-)
22:45Peggy George: you can sit on a pillow Jeff :-)
22:45Peggy George: hahahaha!!! what an effect!!!!
22:46kathy shields: What is the hashtag for this chat?
22:46vance: hi Peggy / kathy
22:46kathy shields: hi
22:47kathy shields: great thx
22:47Peggy George: Hi Vance :-)
22:47kathy shields: hahah
22:47Peggy George: glad you added those questions! They are great and will be fascinating to hear the conversation!
22:49Michael Coghlan: I would like to enter.....
22:52Peggy George: Hi Michael! Great to see you!
22:52Peggy George: Jeff will send you an invitation to join the hangout.
22:54kathy shields: Ray started the singularity movement very controversial no?
22:55kathy shields: http://singularityu.org/
22:55Michael Coghlan: Thanks Peggy - think I'm in the hangout ....
22:55kathy shields: DORA - interesting pdf
22:56kathy shields: http://am.ascb.org/dora/
22:56kathy shields: Got it!
22:56Peggy George: @Michael are you just viewing or wanting to join the Hangout? I'm not seeing you on camera yet.
22:57Peggy George: thanks for the links Kathy. Checking them out now.
22:57kathy shields: Also interesting is Amber Case on Ted.comhttp://www.ted.com/talks/amber_case_we_are_all_cyborgs_now.html
22:58Peggy George: Hi there Dave!!! Great to see you!
22:58Alexander Hayes: http://am.ascb.org/dora/
22:58Dave Cormier: lala.
22:59Peggy George: I love having the Titanpad side by side with the chat. Great way to share resources!
23:00kathy shields: @ peggy, I had no idea, I could add to that! Thx.
23:00Peggy George: There's Michael!! :-)
23:01Peggy George: 7:00am now in Phoenix AZ
23:04Peggy George: yes Kathy. Anyone can add to the Titanpad :-) I often add the links that are shared in the chat so they become part of the Titanpad which can be exported to save for later.
23:04Dave Cormier: Hi Peggy :)
23:04Peggy George: thanks!
23:04kathy shields: I just added the definition for Cyborg Anth.
23:04Peggy George: no I prefer to be a "chat anchor" :-) Love it!
23:05Peggy George: always fun figuring out new tools! thanks for adding your name to your color. :-)
23:06Peggy George: that's quite a list of "terminology". This sounds like a graduate level class!
23:08kathy shields: http://wearcam.org/
23:08Peggy George: that's really interesting! I didn't know that Google Glass was only licensed for one person!
23:08Alexander Hayes: http://glogger.mobi
23:09Peggy George: great links to add to the Titanpad :-)
23:09vance: I didn't either
23:10Peggy George: I'll start adding a section at the bottom of the questions for Links shared by chat participants
23:10Peggy George: thanks Vance. You took care of it!!
23:10Morteza Barin: hello everybody
23:11vance: well done morteza
23:11Morteza Barin: this is morteza from iran
23:11Peggy George: Hi Morteza. Welcome!
23:11Morteza Barin: hi
23:11Peggy George: we've just been chatting but are officially starting now :-)
23:11Morteza Barin: thank u so much
23:11Morteza Barin: ok
23:11vance: we'll make sure you get the recording,mp3
23:11Morteza Barin: but can't hear anything
23:11Morteza Barin: ok
23:12vance: no, because YouTube is blocked there
23:12Peggy George: try refreshing your page Morteza
23:12Morteza Barin: ok
23:12Peggy George: aha--no YouTube for you Morteza?
23:12Morteza Barin: i see a black screen on top of this page
23:12Peggy George: with no "play" button to click on?
23:13Morteza Barin: no
23:13vance: he can't get YouTube, but later I'll make an mp3 recording from it
23:13Morteza Barin: ok
23:13Maria Droujkova: Hello
23:13Morteza Barin: you go on
23:13Peggy George: try this direct link to youtube to see if you can see ithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-63Gb3AKAiQ#!
23:15Peggy George: what was Steve's last name?
23:15Maria Droujkova: I am sitting in the other chat, directing people here... There was some confusion
23:15vance: other chat?
23:15vance: at learning2gether?
23:16Peggy George: thanks Maria!
23:16Alexander Hayes: http://www.interaction-design.org/encyclopedia/wearable_computing.html
23:17Maria Droujkova: Vance, there was a wrong Hangout link sent out
23:17Maria Droujkova: nothing is happening there, other than people trying to get here
23:17Alexander Hayes: http://www.istas13.org
23:17Alexander Hayes: http://www.veillance.me
23:17Alexander Hayes: hi DS
23:17Peggy George: wish we could see Steve's face! his camera keeps shifting to the ceiling :-)
23:18Alexander Hayes: Veillance as domain = surveillance + sousveillance + dataveillance + uberveillance and many other disciplines
23:18Peggy George: @Kathy Great job of keeping up with the chat links on the Titanpad
23:20vance: great questions, Jeff
23:20Nellie: Silence is golden :)
23:21Peggy George: so happy that Steve could join us for the first few minutes! wish he could stay longer but he has another commitment.
23:21vance: hi Nellie
23:22kathy shields: I was wondering about headaches and how the brain responds to the wearing and removing of the glass.
23:23Nellie: Who is talking right now?
23:23Peggy George: Steve Mann
23:24Peggy George: Jeff you did your homework for this conversation!! :-) Great questions!
23:24Nellie: or was talking :)
23:24Peggy George: that is Steve talking
23:24Nellie: Steve who?
23:24Peggy George: can you see the Titanpad to the left
23:24Peggy George: his link is there
23:24kathy shields: I am interested in brainwave tech and how it might benefit teachers/students by understanding their receptivity for learning.
23:24Peggy George: Steve Mann
23:25Peggy George:http://wearcam.org/veillance/veillance.pdf (Steve Mann's site)
23:25Nellie: speakers where?
23:25Nellie: is that the Toronto conf
23:25Alexander Hayes: http://istas13.org
23:25Jeff Lebow: Steve Mann
23:25Nellie: f2f is awesome
23:25Peggy George: we don't know who all will be live in the Hangout so adding their names as they come in
23:26kathy shields: This is cool - and fun to think about http://www.neurosky.com/
23:26Nellie: Maria brought us in here since we were in another hangout.
23:27Alexander Hayes: memoto.com
23:27Alexander Hayes: autographer.com
23:27Peggy George: great to have you joining the conversation here Nellie & others joining from the webheads group!
23:27Nellie: I'm going to be in Toronto but only on June 21
23:28Alexander Hayes: lightt.com
23:28Alexander Hayes: vine.co
23:28kathy shields: This is likehttp://www.pranavmistry.com/projects/sixthsense/
23:28Peggy George: as links are shared in the chat, Kathy Shields is adding them to the Titanpad on the left so we will all be able to export the document for later exploration.
23:29Nellie: The idea of wearing a surveillance camera scares the hell out me. :(
23:29kathy shields: @peggy, so is Vance :)
23:29Peggy George: Vance is adding too :-) love that you can see the colors!
23:29Nellie: Can such cameras be used to ward off terrorists?
23:30Peggy George: Vance as questions are asked in this chat will you be the "conduit" to ask them in the hangout?
23:31vance: all participants are following the chat
23:31vance: I thin
23:31Peggy George: but it's hard to talk and read at the same time :-)
23:31kathy shields: @nellie, you'd think that if alterted, all users could instantly send live feed to a central location
23:31Nellie Deutsch: I'm managing. I thrive on listening and chatting like this.
23:32vance: people at dmonstrations run live streams so if arrested they'll make instant record
23:32Peggy George: sure wish everyone could have gotten "lower thirds" working so we would know who is speaking. Such a huge help!
23:32vance: Thsi is Dave Cormier
23:32vance: Alex talking now
23:32Nellie Deutsch: Google wants us to be in its control.
23:33kathy shields: I wonder if using this device will build new neuraal pathways in the brain that will potentially make it more efficient and yet, may compromise ability when not wearing the device.
23:33Nellie Deutsch: I now have a car without a key for the ignition. It's weird but we get used to it.
23:33vance: Dave Cormier now
23:33Peggy George: interesting term! honesty pendant
23:34vance: now Nellie can find lost keys to her ignition :-)
23:34Maria Droujkova: I imagine a little robotic animal (a tribble?) sitting on your shoulder and doing all that it will be both honest and endearing
23:34Nellie Deutsch: Vance, can such cameras keep us safer? Can they be used to warn us of an attacker like a terrorists wearing bombs?
23:35Maria Droujkova: They will probably keep beeping about police and military?
23:35vance: this is about veillance, what happens when everyone is wearing them
23:35Nellie Deutsch: Yes, Vance, no need for keys just for an emergency. It's a hybrid car.
23:36kathy shields: audio and video, if all people have equal access then it may well keep us more honest
23:36Nellie Deutsch: Were these cameras developed by companies for the military at first?
23:37Peggy George: this is such a great conversation! I'm learning so much
23:37vance: Steve Mann has been doing it since way last century, like last quarter
23:38Nellie Deutsch: How much money is involved?
23:38vance: so many options, check links list in main window
23:39Nellie Deutsch: I mean business wise, Vance. Is this going to be a lucrative business? Should I invest? :)
23:39kathy shields: http://ael.gatech.edu/lab/ If you are interested in the impact on education
23:40Nellie Deutsch: I can imagine my students coming to class with this.
23:40vance: Rob permanus is talking
23:40Nellie Deutsch: What will it do for teachers?
23:41kathy shields: I love the idea of incorporating existing devices, essentially open-design
23:41Nellie Deutsch: Will teachers be able to stay home and connect to students in the f2f at a distance?
23:41kathy shields: constructing, building, co-experienceing
23:41Peggy George: fantastic concept for language learners!
23:41kathy shields: metacognition, with physical reality
23:41mattias73: Long time EdTech Weekly listener here. Now working at the Centre for Learning and Knowledge Technologies at the Linnaeus University in Sweden.
23:42Nellie Deutsch: Will we all become publishers?
23:42Peggy George: Welcome mattias73!
23:42kathy shields: the swiffer, this is so fun
23:42Peggy George: very creative!!!
23:43Nellie Deutsch: I learn so much from chatting to myself. Imagine if I had a wearable gadget and I could transmit my ideas and thoughts without having to use the keyboard.
23:43kathy shields: i think we do take things too seriously and humor and ply allow for greater inventiveness
23:43Peggy George: scroll down the Titanpad to see the questions being explored
23:44Nellie Deutsch: Why concerns? Let's all get demos and share our experiences. I'm willing to be a guinea pig.
23:44kathy shields: How a person is perceived by others affects all people
23:44Peggy George: probably the same concern when students use recording devices such as Livescribe pens in classes--do you need the permission of the person being recorded?
23:45unnamed: I do like the swiffer
23:45kathy shields: visually perceived, is perception reality or is it more a reflection of the viewer
23:45vance: exactly, it will be impossible to control
23:45monika: who's the guy talking most - with the hat?
23:45Durff: so how many viewers between here, youtube, google+ ?
23:45Nellie Deutsch: Thank you, Alex.
23:45Durff: nice accent
23:45Peggy George: Steve Mann is the person with the hat
23:46monika: no - he just left.. the guy with the beanie
23:46monika: i think
23:46vance: That's Alexander Hayes
23:46Peggy George: sorry. Alexander Hayes
23:46vance: Steve had a meeting
23:46monika: thank you Peggy
23:46Michael Coghlan: Monika - the guy with the hat is Ale hayes
23:46Michael Coghlan: Alex Hayes
23:46Nellie Deutsch: I'd like to be part of a beta product. Is there a need for teachers in the classroom?
23:47kathy shields: perspective becomes layered, angled and creates a 3d persona, humans become larger in a way and overlap more, just thinking aloud
23:48Nellie Deutsch: Do you think the cameras will bring mankind a few steps ahead as far as attitudes to change?
23:48kathy shields: how will this change behavior in general, will people who have this tech become more powerful
23:48Durff: Big Brother is watching you
23:48vance: These are the right questions, and what the conference in Toronto is all about, nellie aren't you there?
23:49kathy shields: @durff, maybe I should be pleased that big brother even notices me!
23:49Alexander Hayes: the others
23:49Durff: I hear ya there
23:50vance: in toronto
23:50Peggy George: these glasses can't read your mind can they??? :-)
23:50Nellie Deutsch: North American culture or American culture?
23:50Durff: totally surprised that employers look at my CV and take the time to sent rejection letters - most ppl would be crushed
23:50kathy shields: @peggy, they may, in fact, like mood rings, you may be able to display your cognitive availability to others
23:51vance: hi lisa
23:51Peggy George: fascinating points being shared by Dave for Bonnie!
23:51Nellie Deutsch: Staring is very allowed in the Middle East
23:51Peggy George: wow Kathy!!!
23:51Nellie Deutsch: Italians in Toronto are allowed to look and even whilse.
23:51Nellie Deutsch: whistle
23:52kathy shields: @peggy, this is what I see as a plus for teachers and students, we could engage them when they are ready to be receptive
23:53Peggy George: really intrigued by Google Glass--what kind of battery life do they have? do you have to keep recharging?
23:53kathy shields: Can you imagine? We'd be much more effective as teachers and students as learners.
23:53Durff: what does that say about pedagogy?
23:53Peggy George: @Kathy amazing idea!! :-)
23:53Nellie Deutsch: Do you mean blockers?
23:54Nellie Deutsch: Can the cameras be used to cloak off others' cameras?
23:54Peggy George: Rob is doing some really creative things to push the window!
23:54Durff: in the K12 where I worked recording of anyone was verboten
23:54Nellie Deutsch: Is there a gadget to block out other cameras?
23:54mattias73: For ordinary use battery last around a full day.
23:54Durff: so our classes made permission forms
23:54Peggy George: thanks mattias!
23:54mattias73: But for educational use... probably would last less.
23:55mattias73: if you use hangouts and the camera a lot, say during several lectures during a day
23:55Nellie Deutsch: The question is whether there's money to be made from it? Will it bring in money?
23:56Durff: every new "thing" will make money
23:56Nellie Deutsch: Really, Durff?
23:56Durff: for a while anyway
23:57Durff: the initial gitz
23:57Nellie Deutsch: I'm interested in being able to get quality videos? Will these wearable gadgets answer my need?
23:57Durff: nice Euroipean accent
23:57kathy shields: It seem regardless of the challenges wearable tech present, it seems, the tidal wave is on the horizon, so duck and cover won't be enough.
23:57Peggy George: very funny Kathy, but true!
23:58Karen Scarlett: I am an artist and this could be an amazing tool for me!
23:58Durff: used in special ed?
23:58kathy shields: @peggy What CAN we do? Maybe getting our students to own this discussion.
23:58Nellie Deutsch: Teachers can stay at home
23:58Peggy George: Kathy you should be in the Hangout!
23:59unnamed: I could see them being used by aircraft mechanics and the like (Matt Montagne)
23:59vance: This is Maria Droujkova
23:59Nellie Deutsch: I can go swimming and share.
23:59Durff: but Nellie we can do that now
23:59Durff: lower that mic
23:59Peggy George: mathtrek?
May 28, 2013
0:00Jeff Lebow: If anyone else would like to join in, Hangout is at:https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/56e76d2240b0eddd17461f322fd4ac1896edecb8?v=1369336449&authuser=0&hl=en
0:00Nellie Deutsch: Schools don't pay me to stay home, Durff, but maybe they will if kids can connect with me from school.
0:01Durff: Did I tell you all JL was a superstar the other day? He joined a gathering on primary students from Nepal. Thanks again JL!
0:01Nellie Deutsch: I think technology is moving us forward so the wearable cameras will do the same. i'm looking forward to getting one.
0:01kathy shields: Extra credit for plotting your path as you leap from an airplane...
0:01Durff: I like to rtemain firmly on the ground
0:01Nellie Deutsch: Will I be able to get a camera for free at the Toronto conference?
0:02unnamed: There is such a stigma about wearing technology that is visible--that seems like a large adoption barrier (Matt)
0:02Durff: life without friout - mmmm
0:02Durff: I live fruitfree
0:02kathy shields: popeye
0:02Nellie Deutsch: WT
0:03Durff: good point - invisible technology is preferable
0:03Durff: oh 6 mins?
0:03Peggy George: Matt you can change your name up above--right at the top :-)
0:03unnamed: Quite a few cyclists here in San Francisco commute with GoPro cameras on their helmets as a safety precaution - I could see google glass being used in the same way (Matt Montagne)
0:03Nellie Deutsch: can the cameras screen another camera
0:03Peggy George: Great to see you Matt!
0:03Nellie Deutsch: I need blocking system.
0:04matt montagne: likewise Peggy :)
0:04Maria Droujkova: About Math Trek:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVA1jTAuA68
0:04Peggy George: I agree with the comparison to GoPro cameras
0:04Peggy George: woo hoo! Matt has a name now :-)
0:04Nellie Deutsch: They now have a blocking system for planes against rockets so why not a blocking system for cameras?
0:04kathy shields: Jammers!
0:04Durff: digital blockers
0:05Peggy George: hahahaha
0:05Durff: as opposed to analog blockers
0:05Peggy George: great question! who actually owns the data?
0:05kathy shields: a whole new lexicon developing
0:05monika: or the tech/transparency frees us up to a culture of trust
0:05Durff: they will think they do
0:06kathy shields: ethics, can someone patent what I see/
0:06Durff: and if so, why not do it oneself
0:06kathy shields: Do I own my point of view?
0:06monika: the blur - of ownership et al - getting us closer to that point.. of trust
0:06Durff: or does Big Brother own our points of voew?
0:06Peggy George: @Kathy I hope Jeff will ask your question #11 in the Titanpad
0:07Nellie Deutsch: I would also like a blocker for google. Any glasses for that?
0:07Durff: nudge JL to ask #11 re ethics
0:08kathy shields: haha, yes, q11
0:08Peggy George: just because you are the "recorder" of the information/data does that mean you should own it? what about the subject being recorded?
0:08Durff: and why do we care who owns what?
0:09monika: yes - Durff - perhaps this will push us past that whole focus
0:09Peggy George: @Durff there are MANY people who care who owns what
0:09vance: who owns your gmail? Your facebook data?
0:09Durff: are we individuals or are we community?
0:10Nellie Deutsch: an attitude change may come in the future
0:10Durff: well I don't Vance - too much responsibility
0:10Peggy George: visit any university campus and you'll find almost all are concerned with ownership of intellectual property
0:10kathy shields: data ownership - data creation - data analysis -
0:10Durff: I think teens are already shifting focus
0:10matt montagne: google is pretty clear regarding data ownership - the user owns it. No whether or not you want to take that at face value is another question
0:10Peggy George: good point Matt
0:10Durff: oh thanks you had to tell me matt
0:11vance: but they own it for purposes of tracking your preferences
0:11vance: Eli Pariser etc
0:11matt montagne: vance, they can 'mine' it and use it, but they don't own it.
0:11Durff: I prefer Starbucks in the keurig
0:11Maria Droujkova: My teen is traveling right now... No, I don't know where my kid is.
0:11Durff: ah but the teacher can
0:11vance: good distinction, but can you as owner ask them not to use it?
0:12Nellie Deutsch: Maria, is your daughter still a teen?
0:12Maria Droujkova: young teen, yes
0:12kathy shields: @nellie has a great point, in some ways, a persona is ageless online
0:13Nellie Deutsch: I would love to do a paper on being ageless online.
0:13matt montagne: vance, I believe it depends on the service. eg, in gmail we get served ads based upon our emails mined by google, but we still own it.
0:13Nellie Deutsch: what about pilots?
0:13kathy shields: Ooo, must go, LOVED this convo - would like more, thank you and have a great day
0:13Durff: oh? what about brain surgery?
0:13Nellie Deutsch: nice to connect with you, kathy
0:13Durff: maybe I will pass
0:13Peggy George: bye Kathy-so glad you could be part of this conversation!
0:13Jeff Lebow: Thanks Kathy
0:14Maria Droujkova: Nellie, hit me on it... My kid got a thought or two
0:14Jeff Lebow: great to see you
0:14Nellie Deutsch: reading also affects vision
0:14Nellie Deutsch: How old is your daughter, Maria? It's been a while.
0:15Durff: and will shops sell these garments to us without our knowledge?
0:15matt montagne: no for me
0:15Peggy George: there is a great app for that! 1second Every Day :-)
0:15Maria Droujkova: always 21, Nellie... always
0:15Maria Droujkova: ;-)
0:15Durff: what does that do Peggy?
0:15David D.: I will wait for the brain implant (not joking)
0:15Peggy George: http://1secondeveryday.com/
0:16Nellie Deutsch: Who is 21?
0:16Durff: I will pass David
0:16Peggy George: you use it to capture a second of video every day in your life for a timeline
0:16Durff: thanks Peggy
0:16Peggy George: you can watch your life in minutes/hors instead of "days" in a slide show :-) love the concept!
0:16Peggy George: hours
0:17Durff: I will not wear this
0:17Nellie Deutsch: So how do I get wearable cameras?
0:17Durff: I don't own friut or a 4G phone
0:17Durff: so why cave in now?
0:17Durff: I don't have a FB
0:17Nellie Deutsch: You don't have to go to sleep with it, Jeff.
0:17Durff: so have/use what you want
0:17matt montagne: I think wearable technology needs to become discreet for 'me to wear it
0:17David D.: glasses won't be around long - will be bioengineered
0:18Jeff Lebow: No classes tomorrow. It's an hour later for Alex.
0:18Alexander Hayes: http://uberveillance.com
0:18matt montagne: I could see it being used for very, very niche purposes and uses - kinda like the GoPro camera
0:18Durff: note to self - unfollow Vance since he doesn't talk on Twitter
0:18Peggy George: @matt if you needed it for accessibility you would wear it--not just nice to have but essential for communication
0:19matt montagne: for sure...and that happens now with accessibility use cases
0:19Nellie Deutsch: I hope cameras and digital gadgets will be sewn into my clothes? is that next?
0:19Peggy George: I know someone who is legally bling who wears powerful glasses like those Rob showed us earlier and he is licensed to drive a car with them
0:19Peggy George: blind! sorry can't type!
0:19matt montagne: Nellie - it is definitely happening already at places like Burning Man :)
0:19Durff: now that would be fcool
0:19Durff: helping the disabled
0:20Peggy George: absolutely @Durff!
0:20Peggy George: the digital potential really increases the value of the device!
0:21Nellie Deutsch: technology can serve to kill/defend and to facilitate our lives. The choice is not ours.
0:21Durff: but why do we have to be careful?
0:21Nellie Deutsch: We do not control what governments and big businesses like google and facebook are doing
0:22Maria Droujkova: Nellie: We try not to discuss age online, because ageless is safer. So, online, my kid is always 21, pretty much. Has been since before we weaned.
0:22Durff: I am 3
0:22Peggy George: good point! though these can be used for positive purposes they can also be used for evil purposes--no background checks on people using them :-)
0:22Nellie Deutsch: Got you, Maria. My mom has told me the same off line.
0:23Nellie Deutsch: Will we be able to wash the wearable cameras?
0:23Nellie Deutsch: We can also implant cameras under our skins.
0:24Alexander Hayes: http://interaxon.ca
0:24Durff: so will future political meetings be conducted in the nude to eliminate the embedded recording devices in textiles?
0:24Maria Droujkova: Implanting is problematic. Think of allergies, for one. Wearable is much nicer, in my mind. Safer.
0:25Peggy George: implants are scary to me!
0:25Durff: so diabetics pumps have been embedded in the body no for a while - my German cousin has one
0:25Durff: it really regulates her blood sugar better
0:25Peggy George: the pumps are still outside the body
0:25Durff: implanted what?
0:26Maria Droujkova: @Peggy - yes. For example, there are some horrible cases with heart pacers.
0:26Durff: I have neon pink glue in my brain
0:26Peggy George: good example Maria
0:26Durff: that is an implant
0:26Peggy George: hooray! Kathy's question! so sorry she had to leave!
0:26Nellie Deutsch: what about emotions?
0:26Durff: Ros's pump is inside her body now
0:27Nellie Deutsch: Can we scan for emotions?
0:27Durff: so if one has the 'wrong' emotion, one can be excludded?
0:27Nellie Deutsch: Will this be wearable:http://www.affectiva.com
0:28Durff: there's that Big Brother from 1984 again
0:28Nellie Deutsch: Alex, how does an artist fit in with this kind of technology?
0:28Durff: every age has said "this is the revolution"
0:29matt montagne: I would like to think that corporations are benign and neutral - but they aren't. There are all sorts of corporate motives behind a product like Glass--he will take us some time before we are able to understand the motives.
0:29monika: i think we can - like today
0:29Durff: think abouit monitoring pre-service t3eachers
0:29Nellie Deutsch: educational organizations are far behind. Will wearable cameras bring them in faster?
0:29Durff: this could be a good use in higher ed
0:29monika: but not if we keep school as is
0:30Peggy George: well stated Matt--very practical, helpful point!
0:30monika: this is the means to deschool - if we let it
0:30Nellie Deutsch: Yes, having differing ideas is great :)
0:30Nellie Deutsch: That's a personal question to Alex. :)
0:31monika: this technology could allow everything to find/do/be their art
0:31matt montagne: good to catch up, folks. Interesting stuff here-thanks for hosting everyone.
0:31Durff: oh joy - we can get any tech integrated around here
0:31Durff: take care matt
0:31Nellie Deutsch: MOOC with wearable technologies is a good idea.
0:31Peggy George: yes monika!! :-)
0:31Nellie Deutsch: Maria, yes, but not in schools.
0:32Durff: but when does one take it off?
0:32Nellie Deutsch: Schools have a blocking system to technology.
0:32Durff: will there be rules?
0:32Durff: yes it is called administrators
0:32Nellie Deutsch: Hanging out is the only way to go.
0:32Nellie Deutsch: Who is the left brainer?
0:33Durff: mmmm Vance?
0:33Nellie Deutsch: I always think of Sweden and Europe as being ahead.
0:33Peggy George: Mattias Davidsson
0:33Peggy George: from Sweden :-)
0:33David D.: I'm really afraid of how this will be "commodified" and not open to all ... that's the scary part.
0:33Durff: Mr. Dandelion - yes I concur
0:34Nellie Deutsch: Vance is an an advanced collective learner.
0:34Maria Droujkova: Deschooling!
0:34Durff: so tied to socio economic level?
0:34Peggy George: just wearing the glasses won't change the culture :-) not open to all now.
0:34Nellie Deutsch: So, where do I get my wearable glasses, Alex?
0:35Durff: like all of technology - for the rich in this wrinked (not flat) world
0:35monika: no Peggy - but the fact that our interconnectedness is too big to know - could change the culture
0:35Nellie Deutsch: thank you, Jeff
0:35Durff: hey he caklled you all deep thinkers
0:35Karen Scarlett: yes, thank you Jeff
0:35Durff: I know I'm not
0:35Karen Scarlett: ths was so interesting!
0:36Jeff Lebow: Thank you all very much
0:36Alexander Hayes: Fantastic folks....thanks for attending this important connection conversation
0:36vance: bye everyone
0:36Nellie Deutsch: when is the last day in Toronto?
0:36Durff: and recorded
0:36Peggy George: fabulous conversation! thank you so much for streaming this!
0:36Jeff Lebow: Recordings will be post during my morning coffee
0:36Jose Rodriguez: thanks Jeff
0:36monika: thank you much all
0:36Alexander Hayes: I do look forward to hearing what you think of the http://istas13.orgevent as it unfolds
0:36Peggy George: this is definitely worth watching again!!
0:36Durff: hey Coordinator!
0:36Nellie Deutsch: Thank you, everyone. Jeff is going to make sure the revolution continues.
0:36Jose Rodriguez: Hey Durff..
0:36vance: thanks and I'll post the mp3 athttp://learning2gether.net eventually for all you podcast freeks
0:36Peggy George: thank you all!!!
0:36Durff: ok now back to the holiday
0:36Jose Rodriguez: I was listening in.. great talk
0:36Alexander Hayes: thats me Vance :)
0:36Jose Rodriguez: bye
0:36Nellie Deutsch: Thank you, Alex.
0:37Peggy George: you can export the chat to save it to your computer (if you want) :-)
0:37Alexander Hayes: I listen to them on the way to my humble cubicle inside the Australian National Data Services
0:37Peggy George: export the Titanpad I mean
0:37Peggy George: you have to copy/paste the chat to save it
0:37Alexander Hayes: thanks Nellie - lots of product links to follow there Nellie by the most important ones are Memoto.com
0:37Alexander Hayes: and autorgrapher.com
0:38Alexander Hayes: sorry that should behttp://www.autographer.com
0:38Peggy George: thanks a lot Alexander!!! great conversation!!!
0:38Alexander Hayes: thanks Peggy! - great to connect
0:39Peggy George: my brain is spinning now! so many things to think about and definitely lots to learn!
0:39Alexander Hayes: the next level of human computer intareaction unfolds
0:39Alexander Hayes: and we are inside of it
0:40Peggy George: :-)
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