EdTechWeekly137 - October 10, 2009

18:47:28 DaveC -> hello
18:48:16 DaveC -> just plain /edtechtalk136 will work
18:48:36 DaveC -> The / says to go to the top of the webtree...
18:51:05 DaveC -> I finally got my g-voice invite
18:52:05 DaveC -> They have no more numbers for NH :-(
18:52:36 DaveC -> Yes, yesterday
18:52:58 matt montagne -> hey y'all
18:53:01 DaveC -> Try logging into it.
18:53:28 matt montagne -> hey JL, et all
18:54:04 matt montagne -> i couldn't hear the buzzing
18:54:07 matt montagne -> hey sheila
18:54:13 DaveC -> She buzzes when she sleeps?
18:54:16 sheila -> Hi Matt!
18:54:23 DaveC -> Hi Sheila
18:54:27 sheila -> and all! 
18:54:34 sheila -> :)
18:56:47 DaveC -> yikes.  You can eat them, but don't touch them.
18:57:20 matt montagne -> not to be a cynic, but I'm glad Chicago didn't get olympics...it is such a waste all of the crap that gets built
18:58:20 sheila -> :)
18:58:52 matt montagne -> the latter for the most part Jen
18:59:15 JenM -> @matt ... it is hard to be a FIB :)
18:59:25 sheila -> Hi Cathy E!
18:59:27 matt montagne -> but that is just me being cynical...I'm glad Rio got it as well...
18:59:38 matt montagne -> @Jen...I'd imagine so :-)
18:59:42 JenM -> the IL plate was a tough to see on the car :)
19:01:37 sheila -> Hi ds!
19:01:54 ds -> hey Sheila, and all
19:02:41 Cathy E -> Hello everybody
19:02:52 alicebarr -> Hi all
19:03:09 alicebarr -> Thanks for the tweet! Great to be here
19:03:48 dave -> http://fr.wikiversity.org/wiki/Introduction_aux_technologies_émergentes
19:05:38 jackiegerstein -> Is there a show - can't find any links to access
19:05:55 JL -> should be on Ustream
19:06:02 Gary -> Yes - will be put in as time goes along.
19:06:09 DaveC -> @Jackie, may have to press teh play button on the ustream link
19:06:20 jackiegerstein -> Usually have a ustream window - none here today
19:06:25 sr -> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/edtechweekly-132
19:06:32 JL -> no video, only audio tonight
19:06:40 JenM -> Google Wave: http://wave.google.com/help/wave/closed.html ... and ... http://mashable.com/2009/10/02/video-google-wave-gets-explained/
19:06:45 JohnS -> but the audio is on the ustream, too.
19:06:51 jackiegerstein -> thanks - needed that sr!
19:07:10 demacisaac -> try france ? hee hee
19:07:32 matt montagne -> anyone have a wave account yet???
19:07:42 alicebarr -> Not me :(
19:08:16 matt montagne -> I thought folks who had wave accts were going to be able to give out invites
19:08:32 demacisaac -> do you use wave instead of igoogle??
19:08:55 JL -> http://freshbadge.com/
19:08:59 JL -> http://www.says-it.com/seal/
19:09:07 alicebarr -> I don't know nayone who got an invite...
19:09:12 JL -> http://www.redkid.net/generator/generator.php
19:09:23 DaveC -> someone has to say it: We don't need no stinkin badges
19:10:02 sheila -> Proof for my PD hours!
19:10:07 JohnS -> Top 10 Web Collaboration Tools (That Aren't Google Wave): http://lifehacker.com/5373339/top-10-web-collaboration-tools-that-arent-...
19:11:40 dave -> http://allafrica.com/stories/200910010572.html
19:11:52 Gary -> This was for you Dave
19:12:46 Gary -> Nigerian schools often have limited internet connections
19:14:53 Gary -> I know a prof at a Nigerian university - his connection is so very slow!
19:15:13 Gary -> He can't watch YouTube videos
19:15:38 JenM -> Unconfrence for librarians (sorry it is over, but catch recording): http://librarycampperth.wetpaint.com/ ... and ... http://librarycampperth.wetpaint.com/page/LibCampPerth09+Live
19:15:45 sheila -> And the electricity can flucuate.
19:16:16 Gary -> @sheila - If you have it.
19:16:35 JohnS -> and it also depends on how they're going to use it. So many are trying to use technology to just provide instruction / drill /etc
19:17:01 JL -> http://lifehacker.com/5254187/presentio-sets-up-no+software+needed-web-p...
19:17:06 JL -> http://drop.io/home/present
19:17:12 dave -> I PROTEST
19:17:17 demacisaac -> me too yeah
19:17:19 dave -> That was WAY too professional a segway
19:17:26 dave -> that sounded PLANNED!
19:17:31 ds -> lol
19:18:08 ColetteC -> going to use dropio this year for cell phone recording -- anyone do this yet?
19:18:23 JohnS -> Microsoft Security Essentials: http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/  and Security Essentials graduates to v1.0: http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10362227-12.html?part=rss&subj=news...
19:18:38 alicebarr -> @colette I used drop.io this summer works GREAT
19:19:42 jackiegerstein -> Steve Hargadon with librarians last week's elluminate session http://www.futureofeducation.com/forum/topics/howard-rheingold-joyce-val...
19:20:07 dave -> @jackie jeff meant an actual full show
19:20:11 alicebarr -> @Colette Nice job on the Google Earth! Can't wait to digest
19:20:21 dave -> http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/
19:20:31 ColetteC -> thanks Alice :)
19:20:40 jackiegerstein -> I know - this is just an example of how cool the librarians are
19:20:52 dave -> http://kottke.org/09/10/hammer-vs-feather
19:21:26 jackiegerstein -> LOL
19:22:44 JenM -> Neo Office: http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php
19:23:37 matt montagne -> I think neo is built on top of OO
19:23:47 JenWagner -> Compliant with Snow Leopard??
19:23:50 matt montagne -> neo feels slower than OO3
19:24:08 alicebarr -> @matt I agree Kids think so too
19:24:22 alicebarr -> We are finding OO to be much better now
19:24:27 JL -> http://orb.com/
19:24:36 JenWagner -> OO versus Google docs???   any thoughts
19:24:54 dave -> @jen apple/orange
19:24:56 matt montagne -> it was cool, in one of our labs on Fri I noticed that three different studetns were running three different word processors at the same time...it was AWESOME!
19:25:02 alicebarr -> @Jen I think the spreadsheets are an issue between the two
19:25:04 JL -> http://mycast.orb.com/orb/html/public/media.html?l=jefflebow
19:25:09 JenWagner -> that was my thought too -- but just thought I would ask
19:25:22 JohnS -> A Survey of K-12 Educators on Social Networking and Content-Sharing Tools: http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2009/09/30/05report-5.h29.html?tkn=OWS... and actual survey results: http://www.edweek.org/media/k-12socialnetworking.pdf
19:25:26 JenWagner -> @alice -- I tend to still live in MS world
19:26:12 matt montagne -> I've been MS Office free for 2+ years now
19:26:25 JenWagner -> were any of us included in that survey???
19:26:28 jackiegerstein -> The power of being blogged about
19:26:38 dave -> i call "forget teh survey"
19:26:41 dave -> numbers bad.
19:26:49 matt montagne -> we're getting ready to go 1:1 and we're not going to require certain hardware, but instread require a package of about 7 FOSS apps
19:26:56 dave -> 900/70000
19:26:59 JenWagner -> @matt sadly I am very comfy in my MS rut -- I admit it
19:26:59 dave -> uh... no.
19:27:00 alicebarr -> @Jen Probably fine through grade 8
19:27:24 JenWagner -> @matt or "happily" since it works for me
19:27:33 ColetteC -> the 900 are all the techie types who answered the survey
19:27:46 DaveC -> Social networking has such a bad reputation from those who don't use them...
19:28:34 matt montagne -> @Jen...I'm actually quite agnostic about various office platforms.
19:28:36 dave -> http://www.telestream.net/screen-flow/overview.htm
19:29:00 JenWagner -> @matt -- what was the final straw -- or the "aha" moment
19:29:11 jackiegerstein -> Doesn't the new macs have screencastings capabilities?
19:29:32 JenWagner -> Yes, in QuickTime
19:29:34 DaveC -> http://www.jingproject.com/
19:30:04 jackiegerstein -> That's right Jen - I watched the session you streamed last week from apple - thanks
19:30:21 JenWagner -> @jackie  yep, that is how I knew   :)
19:30:25 alicebarr -> In snow Leopard only
19:30:42 JenM -> Top 10 CMS (where is my Drupal?): http://www.cmsmatch.com/news/top-10-cms-scored-functionality.html
19:31:16 matt montagne -> @Jen...I guess I cam to the conclusion that I only used MS Office for the very basics...with my needs, there is nothing I can't do with Google Docs
19:31:53 matt montagne -> @dave...I'm a fan of screenflow as well...but holy crud, it can take a long time to export finished movies in high quality
19:32:17 jackiegerstein -> I am asking my online students to use Google Docs for mist of their "produced" work now - initial some resistance and them they "get it"
19:32:21 jackiegerstein -> most
19:32:41 JenWagner -> My online students use Google Docs and Wiki -- no paper at all every turned into me
19:32:54 jackiegerstein -> Hate Paper! 
19:33:17 JL -> http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=389
19:33:30 jackiegerstein -> :D
19:33:33 JenWagner -> <----presenting
19:33:35 DaveC -> My students blog, we'll be using a wiki and google docs in the next couple weeks though.
19:33:38 jackiegerstein -> thanks
19:33:42 jackiegerstein -> I am not now
19:33:44 ColetteC -> yeah clap clap
19:33:59 jackiegerstein -> Lived in Santa Fe for 14 years
19:34:10 JenWagner -> lots of new names -- and also other languages
19:34:19 jackiegerstein -> For what DaveC?
19:34:27 DaveC -> Loved the "Through the night" portion!!!
19:34:42 ColetteC -> @jen yes - lots of new names, looking forward to hearing new voices
19:34:58 DaveC -> @Jackie, we'll be doing some group assignments.  We'll be using GD for that.
19:35:13 JohnS -> Utilium: http://utilium.com/
19:35:13 JenWagner -> Some how -- some way -- is there a better way of sharing times -- I missed last week by 2 hours -- did GMT time change??  ;)
19:35:14 jackiegerstein -> Peggy had a good idea to continue the live sessions after the official "conference" to give folks some time to view the presentations
19:35:14 demacisaac -> is there a google calendar for this?
19:35:25 SamC -> @DaveC is that a preview for EDU533 at SNHU?
19:35:34 SamC -> :)
19:35:35 DaveC -> @Sam....maybe :-D
19:35:47 jackiegerstein -> A google calendar for k12 online is a good idea!
19:35:53 JenWagner -> a very good idea
19:36:06 JohnS -> Flat World Knowledge: http://www.flatworldknowledge.com/
19:38:03 dave -> http://www.connectivism.ca/?p=156
19:38:31 demacisaac -> yeah, for good ideas. I don't see times on line?
19:39:30 matt montagne -> Anderson's "Free" climbed to #12 on the NYTIMES Hardcover non-fiction best seller for a few weeks this past summer
19:39:45 matt montagne -> Even tho Free was freely available as a PDF download
19:39:47 cyndidannerkuhn -> wow can only get the audio lately by opening iTunes
19:40:03 demacisaac -> why are textbooks[b] remixabl[/b][b]e[/b]?  what does that mean?
19:40:12 JL -> have you tried the Ustream player Cyndi?
19:40:23 cyndidannerkuhn -> yup
19:40:35 cyndidannerkuhn -> kinda crazy, worked until recently
19:40:45 JL -> any chance the audio is muted?
19:40:53 JL -> is it maxed out?
19:40:56 cyndidannerkuhn -> is no video feed today, just chat and audio?
19:41:01 cyndidannerkuhn -> nope
19:41:03 matt montagne -> audio good via ustream
19:42:07 jackiegerstein -> George did a nice presentation for Alec this past Tuesday
19:42:14 JenWagner -> Yes, he did
19:42:31 demacisaac -> dave?
19:42:37 cyndidannerkuhn -> *)
19:42:47 JenWagner -> but -- I agree -- the students in that class are overtalked by the back channelers
19:43:09 JenWagner -> but the students are getting more vocal each week
19:43:20 cyndidannerkuhn -> Ithink that balance is important
19:43:25 jackiegerstein -> Direct connect should come through the blogs. twitter, Moodle
19:43:28 demacisaac -> I thought it was a great class, enjoyed all discussion, from everyone
19:43:48 JenM -> Book Ban and Challenge Roundup: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&oe=UTF8&source=embed&t=h&ms...
19:43:57 JenWagner -> My first time to hear George S.
19:43:58 cyndidannerkuhn -> It is just a new way to learn, and requires adjustment
19:44:23 alicebarr -> So sorry, I have to go. Thank you so much! As always a great show!
19:45:03 JenWagner -> would be interesting to see it also searchable in a database -- and not just a LONG list
19:45:27 Gary -> The Golden Compass seems a favourite.
19:45:48 JL -> http://phet.colorado.edu/simulations/
19:46:03 demacisaac -> it's snow
19:46:42 JL -> http://budtheteacher.com/blog/2009/10/03/would-you-please-block/
19:47:39 JohnS -> Sizeable Send: http://sizablesend.com/ 
19:47:52 cyndidannerkuhn -> Yeah for BUd, great post, every school board memner, administrator, teacher and parent needs to read
19:48:02 JohnS -> Inbox Alias: http://www.inboxalias.com
19:48:33 JenWagner -> smiles, that is when I use [email protected]   --- yep
19:48:48 SamC -> That would be helpful. I feel like I have 15 email addresses so I don't get spamed out!
19:49:08 JenWagner -> Ahh I just ignore it
19:49:31 SamC -> Me too, I spend most of my time cleaning out irrelevant messages!  I understand John!
19:49:33 Gary -> My hotmail account has over 600 unread messages.
19:49:36 dave -> http://www.onlinecourses.org/2009/10/01/100-twitter-feeds-to-make-you-a-...
19:51:18 JenM -> Halloween Goodness: http://ow.ly/stnS
19:51:22 JenWagner -> @SamC -- I have 7 twitter accounts
19:51:33 JenWagner -> sorry -- @SamC  I have 7 gmail accounts
19:51:37 JenWagner -> NOT twitter -- egads
19:51:40 dave -> my favourite twitter account http://twitter.com/falloff
19:51:43 dave -> sorry
19:51:48 dave -> http://twitter.com/felloff
19:51:59 demacisaac -> i am still happy with 98 links thanks
19:52:09 JL -> http://www.lullabot.com/drupal-voices/drupal-voices-51-zack-rosen-drupal...
19:52:13 JenWagner -> quick poll -- how many tabs do you have open right now??  I have 3
19:52:17 SamC -> @JenWagner, I have seven email accounts!  It is too much.   Many just to have accounts elsewhere, Facebook, Twitter, etc.
19:52:25 DaveC -> I have my own domain, and have all email forwarded to my account.  So I can make up addresses on the fly then use my filters to decide what comes in.
19:52:35 JenM -> @JW ... about 45
19:52:46 JenWagner -> @Dave  I never thought of using my domain for new email  -- never ever thought of that
19:52:50 cyndidannerkuhn -> I hate when folks don't have description on their twitter
19:52:57 wingsonwater03 -> @Jenwagner   Just 4
19:53:01 SamC -> @DaveC...how?  I think that may be level 2 and I am on Level 1 for sure!
19:53:09 SamC -> :)
19:53:12 JohnS -> Chirps: Your Voice and Sounds on Twitter: http://chir.ps/
19:53:34 JohnS -> Newsmap: http://www.newsmap.jp
19:54:12 cyndidannerkuhn -> the desktop client Tweetie lets you record audio
19:54:58 JenWagner -> does anyone know if WOW3 is starting tonight -- did they decide??
19:55:31 JenWagner -> post show???
19:55:34 SamC -> Have a great week!  Thanks!
19:55:36 cyndidannerkuhn -> if they dom when would WOW3 be?
19:55:42 jackiegerstein -> Jen - I didn't see it on my Google calendar
19:55:51 cyndidannerkuhn -> You guys are amazing
19:56:03 JenWagner -> hmmm -- I thought it was tonight -- but then surprised they didn't announce -- so I guess one more week
19:56:06 demacisaac -> thank you
19:56:14 Gary -> Thanks again.
19:56:39 wingsonwater03 -> he said that?
19:56:48 matt montagne -> That isn't focusing on growth
19:56:53 matt montagne -> that is focusing on the product
19:56:58 cyndidannerkuhn -> Yes, all of you
19:56:58 JenWagner -> poor Obama's kids -- now he will have to post their report cards
19:57:14 SamC -> I don't agree with that.  You should recognize effort...
19:57:17 matt montagne -> Like Carol Dweck says, it is important to focus praise on effort
19:57:31 cyndidannerkuhn -> B is above average!!
19:57:34 matt montagne -> Grades are bogus anywah
19:57:51 wingsonwater03 -> I agree. Students who show great growth and effort should be rewarded with a "higher than average" grade
19:57:57 matt montagne -> people game the system and figure out how to do the least amount of work possible to get the desired outcome
19:58:07 DaveC -> But then you have to worry about grade inflation too.
19:58:26 cyndidannerkuhn -> I think the learning is most important
19:58:35 matt montagne -> it is tough to reduce human learning down to a symbol
19:59:00 SamC -> @Matt, I agree...there needs to be a metric, but what is the right one?
19:59:03 JenWagner -> Obama got a B once and appealed it --- so he is just dealing with his past 
19:59:19 SamC -> @JenWagner :)
19:59:34 matt montagne -> @SamC - I'd rather see student work than meaningless symbols
19:59:36 jackiegerstein -> Or to create a culture of conformity
19:59:39 JenM -> @jw ... too funny
19:59:46 Gary -> A former minister of education in Alberta suggested that teachers should have a goal that all their students should be above average.  Apparently he had trouble with math.
19:59:57 matt montagne -> @John, fundamentally you are right...school is childcare on some level
20:00:07 SamC -> In HR we are getting away from Grades as a metric for performance, but rather using narratives.
20:00:08 JenWagner -> plus what was the grade Obama got for his first 100 days......  grins, should we call him on that
20:00:11 cyndidannerkuhn -> Wow that is a powerful question
20:00:17 JohnS -> Urine Tapped as Fuel: http://www.livescience.com/technology/etc/090715-urine-tapped-fuel.html
20:00:31 matt montagne -> @SamC-even teacher narratives tend to be one persons opinion
20:00:53 JenWagner -> so this is the POST SHOW??
20:01:15 JenWagner -> LOLOL -- you should strive ALWAYS for an A
20:01:17 SamC -> @Matt, that is a problem with narratives, it is almost impossible to take away the human element!
20:01:30 JenWagner -> WOW2
20:01:33 JenWagner -> is WOW3
20:01:44 JenWagner -> for a variety of reasons
20:02:18 cyndidannerkuhn -> Does that mean 3rd year?
20:02:39 DaveC -> make them competency based and scored by common assessments across a grade level.
20:02:40 JenWagner -> I told my students I was not assigning grades -- and they demanded them
20:02:57 cyndidannerkuhn -> Do any of you have many schools in your area that are NOt wireless?
20:03:16 JenWagner -> @cyndi - my school is NOT wireless
20:03:20 JohnS -> most of ours are not, including all of mine.
20:03:24 DaveC -> We're not wireless.
20:03:32 JohnS -> working on a wireless plan this year.
20:03:40 cyndidannerkuhn -> Do you still use labs, or latops?
20:03:57 JenWagner -> @cyndi  we have 2 labs -- one elementary one upper campus -- no laptops
20:04:02 cyndidannerkuhn -> I am doing an in service in a neiboring district and fist place I have been in ages that is not wireless
20:04:19 DaveC -> @Cyndi, we have both.  We have a wireless router that travels with the COW for the laptops.  But the labs are wired, so aren't laptops for teachers.
20:04:37 cyndidannerkuhn -> hmm, very interesting
20:04:39 matt montagne -> so, so, so much money is spent on SIS systems that create report cards. So much time is spent on preparting quarter/semester grades...is this how we want to continue using our time??
20:04:53 JenWagner -> Jen -- what is your phD in -- and are you going full time???  or working too??  
20:05:37 DaveC -> I think grad school should be more theory-based.
20:05:51 cyndidannerkuhn -> JanM where are you in schoola nd what degree are you working on?
20:05:57 JohnS -> Jen's a professional student.
20:06:27 JenWagner -> I would be a professional student if I could afford it -- so I just learn free virtually --
20:07:31 demacisaac -> Am I allowed to join in ...assessment should be done to inform     teaching
20:07:44 JenWagner -> everyone is always allowed to join in
20:07:57 JohnS -> skype jschinker to join in...
20:08:05 cyndidannerkuhn -> Or demo what you have learned
20:08:28 JenWagner -> sooooo John -- why are so many bad teachers still allowed to be in the classroom??
20:08:49 DaveC -> I think all assessments should be to inform.  But they also have to inform parents, and that's where the problem is. (in my opinion)
20:08:51 JohnS -> inertia, mostly.
20:08:51 JenM -> @demacosaac... Please do ...
20:09:04 SamC -> What if you did a reflective assessment, a grade equivalent, peer and teacher review?  Turn it into a more 360 degree review?  Can younger students handle that?
20:09:36 cyndidannerkuhn -> You are absolutley righ, MUCK UP
20:10:45 sheila -> Good night all! Thank you!
20:11:00 ds -> ++
20:11:29 DaveC -> That's why I think competency based and assessed with a common assessment and blind-scored.  That would be a final "what have you learned" grade.
20:11:41 demacisaac -> it's too bad we have  report cards.... let's discuss this some day
20:11:47 matt montagne -> I would like to see the model of 7 classes that each HS kid takes
20:11:51 DaveC -> Most colleges don't ask for your 5th grade report card :)
20:12:13 matt montagne -> I've been thinking about this notion that a teacher has 5 sections with 25 kids in each
20:12:14 cyndidannerkuhn -> those standarized assessments tell us NOTHING!
20:12:28 matt montagne -> what about if a teacher managed 25 projects with 5 students in each one
20:12:45 Cathy E -> Most parents want to see a grade
20:12:57 cyndidannerkuhn -> @matt, kids would likely learn stuff
20:13:20 cyndidannerkuhn -> parents wnat to see grades cuz they know nothing else
20:13:20 matt montagne -> colleges are actually starting to use  portfolios...check out the EPAC blog
20:13:24 DaveC -> @cyndi, I agree, it is how you use the data.  We now have access to the questions and student answers from the standardized tests.  I've been gathering data on it for the past couple weeks.
20:13:44 matt montagne -> @cyndi...it is just a wacky idea that I had
20:13:54 cyndidannerkuhn -> @DaveC, what are you seeing?
20:14:02 matt montagne -> I do like the idea that classes, teachers, and students would be flipped around
20:14:13 demacisaac -> Some  scholarships don't ask for grades
20:14:18 Steve_K -> Grades are a result of a time based system.  Assessing progress toward competency fits w/a personalized system.
20:14:30 matt montagne -> litterally, we could go from offering 80 courses in a school to HUNDREDS of learning opportunities
20:14:33 DaveC -> I'm seeing that students are answering too quickly.  But I'm finding that some of the basic skills are missing causing higher-order thinking errors.
20:14:57 cyndidannerkuhn -> @DaceC, very interesting
20:15:01 SamC -> Thanks again! See you next week and good night!
20:15:14 DaveC -> Cyndi, email me at [email protected]....
20:15:15 cyndidannerkuhn -> thaks you excellent discussion
20:15:18 cyndidannerkuhn -> have a great week
20:15:38 JenM -> nite all!
20:15:41 DaveC -> nite