EdTechWeekly 203 - OERu, The Missing Middle Piece, & Change11 Interaction ?'s

JenM: http://change.mooc.ca/week07.htm

JenM: PDF of the OERu model: http://hdl.handle.net/2149/3039

dafe: jeff is looking up again...

dafe: that's a bad sign

davesalterego: the model needs work

davesalterego: it's not a freakin' badge

davesalterego: but the university isn't about that - i.e. routing people to cntent

dafe: hmm...

dafe: funny. i don't usually argue with myself on the same day

davesalterego: I'm gettig to h point where all of this education reform talk feels increasingly useless. Where's the innovation, the new ideas?

dafe: good point davesalterego

davesalterego: we're still functioning in the language of the existing system. until we get past that, it's tweaking what's there

davesalterego: *** this chat

dafe: new words! new ideas! you start

davesalterego: haha. rhizomes

dafe: now now... that's old talk

davesalterego: Dave, yes you do

davesalterego: th DownesConversation

davesalterego: how is that normatizing people?

dafe: when we decide what people are supposed to know, we are engaging in a normative process

davesalterego: curriculum has little to do with the learner and more to do with the needs of those who determine the content

dafe: we are saying 'what is normal'

dafe: then we agree

dafe: nice that i agree with myself

dafe: hence my quixotic journey to trying to talk about learning where the student determines the content

Francesbell: Who is her?

Francesbell: Ah ha

Francesbell: Which MOOC?

dafe: change11

JenM: http://change.mooc.ca/index.html

Francesbell: Thanks Jen

Francesbell: Interesting - MOOC as legitimising PLN

Giulia: Are charter schools free of charge? or is there tuition?

dafe: tuition

Francesbell: MOOCs can be a jungle

Giulia: sounds like a racket. A charter school entirely based on content, facilitated by parents, with zero interaction allowed between students. [no offense]

dafe: yes, but a racket that legally allows you to keep your kids at home

dafe: :)

John: Charter schools are free. They get their funding from the public schools.

dafe: ah

dafe: i didn't realize that

Giulia: ok, makes sense then.

Francesbell: But hopefully there are peple who know how not to fly airplanes - ie pilots

Francesbell: Otherwsie I am staying put

dafe: right. we llike to know if pilots have been trained.

dafe: easy for us to agree on.

Francesbell: pilots need 'flying hours' as well as training

Giulia: What's your opinion on my situation: at Brock University we are mounting 10 new online courses. One of them is a first year Calculus. Impulse is to create a new set of resources 'customized' to BrockU

Giulia: but how different could calculus really be from one uni t another? Can OER help?

John: Wiley. If you customize them, they're more meaningful for your students. But if you don't, you can be more efficient by sharing resources.

John: But I would try to push them toward using the resources that are already available. Focus your local development on the stuff that you can't find resources for.

dafe: @giulia kahnacademy

dafe: have you done their calculus?

dafe: it's pretty good :)

dafe: but 'knowing' that calculus isn't 'understanding' calculus

Giulia: yeah, i checked it out. instructor thinks they should be 'the voice'

Giulia: she sure is!

Giulia: khan academy is cc licensed? checking that.

Francesbell: that's really interesting - the relationship between teacher (sourcing and adapting/remixing OER) and student  who can 'use' content but also see teacher's remix

Giulia: super helpful, thx

dlynds: crazy insane really

Francesbell: @dave (aside) NancyWhote needs url for her contribution to #change11 http://www.fullcirc.com/2011/10/30/change11-my-mooc-week-is-here/

JL: http://auspace.athabascau.ca:8080/dspace/bitstream/2149/3039/1/Report_OA...

Giulia: yaay! Nancy!

Giulia: where?

Giulia: yaay Dave!

Giulia: yaay Tim!

Giulia: lol

Giulia: that's why I asked Nancy to chat with me.

Giulia: (and she's so awesome she said yes)

Giulia: I'm doing one

Giulia: come join me tomorrow at 4pm

dlynds: go for a second hour!

Giulia: G+

Giulia: google plus

Giulia: and #ds106radio

Giulia: whu? this is my first ed tech

dlynds: thanks all

dlynds: she ditched

dlynds: heya

dlynds: :(

JenM: Thanks, all! Are they still talking about me? :)

Giulia: plus I'm working on my #econoMooc assignment with @dkernohan

John: uhh, no. of course not, Jen.

JenM: blah, blah, blah ....

dlynds: haha

Giulia: Thanks everyone

JenM: ttfn ... going to snuggle hubby by the glow of our pumkin :)

JenM: thanks, all!

John: the pumpkin is the background on your computer, isn't it?

Giulia: tee e

Giulia: dave makes a good point

Francesbell: I think people like to be 'other' in the chat channel in the MOOC

Giulia: if you want it to talk more about something, just do it

Giulia: autonomous learning, yo

Francesbell: Live slides are great - good for you Dave

Giulia: I think it's outrageous to expect Dave George and Stephen to do things all week every week

dlynds: where;s the coolcast link?

dlynds: more

Giulia: Jeff, what's your twitter handle?

dlynds: 20-30

Giulia: why am I not followin you?

JL: @jefflebow

JL: yours?

Francesbell: big boys?? says it all

dlynds: wont be me either i bet

Giulia: thanks

Giulia: indeed, Frances, indeed.

dlynds: wow

dlynds: i think she meant big heads

dlynds: not gerth

Francesbell: Why not?

dlynds: ha ha

dlynds: thats good stuff

dlynds: im liking post show more than the show itself

Giulia: if you're going to use a blog post. I hope yo have a rubric!

dlynds: oh oh

Giulia: although it is

Francesbell: Yes - why would you say big boys?

Giulia: Dave, will you come to my G+ hangout?

Giulia: how's that?

dlynds: Jeff - use big human beings instead

dlynds: ?

Giulia: Jeff is correct. It's all boys.

Giulia: yes, LIKE I DID!

Giulia: /me pats back

dafe: no can do giulia. meeting all through the middle

Giulia: she said monday or friday

Giulia: for me

Giulia: i just want an informal chat

dafe: yup. me too... but didn't hear back for friday

dlynds: wow

dafe: wow. he kicked me out

Giulia: i thought i'd help her frame her presentation. not knowing it was going to be BEFORE my informal chat

dlynds: these are the daves i know

Giulia: these are the daves, I know, I know.

Giulia: two daves!

dafe: bye folks!

Giulia: doh

Giulia: ook

Giulia: i hear heavy sighs

Giulia: lol