Teachers Teaching Teachers #234 - On a mission to save the Earth with Matt Montagne and Peggy George! 2.2.11
Matt Montagne joins us on this episode of Teachers Teaching Teachers. Matt has been a leader in putting together a 24-hour Earthcast in April the last couple of years at Earthbridges.net. Matt also helped us build the community and to launch Voices on the Gulf. Matt’s students have also been building the Gator Radio Experience at his school, Castilleja School. Please join Matt, Peggy George and others as we try to build some curriculum together, looking toward Earth Day 2011. Here's the link to a Google Doc that Matt opened during this webcast: Missions Brainstorm.
Click Read more to see Paul Allison's description of why we might want to create curriculum missions for Youth Voices and to see a copy of the chat that was happening during the webcast.
Paul Allison's invitation:
Help me to build a more explicit community around Youth Voices and Voices on the Gulf this spring
I want to invite you to join me in an experiment in collaborative curriculum building this spring. With your help and the help of other teachers, I want to create and launch a series of challenges or missions that we can pose to students on Youth Voices and Voices on the Gulf.
I’m not sure if the word challenge captures what I’m talking about. What I have in mind is to provide students with a 3-part assignment each week, plus an additional request for personal reflections to be placed on their profile pages. The model that is banging around in my head comes from the work I did along with my students last spring when we played Jane McGonigal’s alternate reality game (ARG), “Urgent Evoke.”
Last spring, every Wednesday for ten weeks, a new “mission” and a new “quest” unlocked. Each mission had three objectives:
LEARN - Investigate our great challenges and share what you discover.
ACT - Get out in the world. Do something small to help solve a real problem.
IMAGINE - Unleash your creativity. Tell a story about the future you want to make.
Alongside of these missions we built imaginative profiles. Each participant was asked to picture him or herself as a hero, then to reveal/imagine/discover a bit more each of the ten weeks that that the game was live. Here’s how it is described at Urgent Evoke:
Every hero has an origin story. It's time for you to discover yours.
Where do your powers come from? Who inspires you? What set you on a path to change the world?
A new quest unlocks every Wednesday at midnight.
Each quest is a question that only you can answer.
Answer all ten questions, and write the story only you can tell.
Perhaps we could create something similar for our students on Youth Voices and on Voices on the Gulf this spring.
I want to invite you and other teachers to do this with me, to create a collaborative project. This would also go along with our already planned revision of Youth Voices where we will have five new groups:
Art, Music, and Photography
Gaming and New Media
Literature and Inquiry
Local Knowledge with Global Attitude
Our Space (K-6)
I’ve thought of a few different ways these challenges or missions could be written, but each option assumes that new assignments will roll out or unlock each week, that our goal will be to have students look forward to--or at least expect to find--a new challenge each Wednesday, for example. I’m also hoping that we can find a way to track the assignments that students have completed, or--as was done on Urgent Evoke--a way for students to self-report their finished missions.
A group of us already involved with Youth Voices and/or Voices on the Gulf might work together on creating the assignments each week. One possibility that I think we might consider is for us to create five weeks of challenges/missions leading up to the April 20th anniversary of the Deepwater Horizon explosion and the annual Earth Day, celebrated two days later on April 22.
The idea would be to release a challenge each Wednesday, beginning March 16th. We would do whatever we could to get the word out, to invite other teachers, and to help them to figure out ways to commit time in their curriculum for these five challenges in the weeks leading up to the 20th and 22nd of April. In this option, the theme of the challenges/missions would focus on environmental issues, with specific examples and references to what happened in the Gulf a year ago.
It may be that you are interested in closer collaborative curriculum than we have done before on Youth Voices, but that you are not interested in creating curriculum around environmental issues and the Gulf oil spill. That’s all good. For this to work we need to really be committed to getting the challenges out on time and we need to be sure that they work in our own classrooms, even as we invite other teachers and students to join our community by responding to these specific challenges.
I’ve also been considering another option which might still be of interest to teachers in the Gulf states, but might also get teachers from all over excited to participate. What if we were to build a curriculum together using the notion of weekly challenges/missions that came from one of the new groups that we are using to reorganize Youth Voices this spring?
In particular, “Local Knowledge” is a curricular area that has the potential of working its way into a lot of teachers classrooms, but would benefit from a clear weekly set of prompts, ideas, and provocations that anybody who wanted to participate could use at the same time. We are imagining that this community of teachers and students on Youth Voices will be investigating their local community, using the approaches we have learned from place-based education.
Place-based education (PBE) immerses students in local heritage, cultures, landscapes, opportunities and experiences, using these as a foundation for the study of language arts, mathematics, social studies, science and other subjects across the curriculum. PBE emphasizes learning through participation in service projects for the local school and/or community.
What is PBE | Promise of Place
Over the years on Youth Voices, we have done a lot of work like this, from our early work with mapping to the Mapping Main Street project and from photo-walks to I-Search papers recently published on Voices on the Gulf.
What I’m proposing here is that we re-organize and develop our assignments, and release them over a regular period of time so that teachers and students new to our community can jump in and work on a challenge/mission with us.
I can also imagine the “Art, Music and Photography” group using a weekly challenge structure this spring to help coordinate their work together. In fact maybe a way to define and build community within the new groups that we are creating on Youth Voices is to work with other teachers using that community to produce missions that get released in an ongoing basis over a specified period of time.
Please reply to this by letting me know of your interest. Maybe just give me some response, explaining how you can imagine being involved. Does this seem like it is worth doing? What concerns or questions does it bring up for you? I know that I haven’t been very specific about what would be in each challenge. Take a look at the Missions on Urgent Evoke, and let’s keep talking!
Chat Log from the show
20:57:33 Paul Allison: Hi Matt and others...
20:57:45 HiHelen18: Hi everyone
20:58:14 matt montagne: hi paul et al
20:58:47 Paul Allison: Hi Helen. Where do you teach?
21:00:18 HiHelen18: I am not teaching this year but working with preservice teachers to improve their use of technology or TPACK
21:00:37 HiHelen18: I am in Armidale, NSW, Australia
21:02:10 SusanEttenheim: hi peggy hi elaine - are you hearing everyone ok?
21:02:12 PeggyG: Hi everyone
21:02:17 PeggyG: hearing great!
21:02:29 HiHelen18: Not hearing anyone other than the welcome
21:02:37 PeggyG: Sheila and I have been working on some plans :-)
21:02:46 Elaine: Yes...thank you
21:02:49 SusanEttenheim: hi helen can we help you get audio?
21:02:59 HiHelen18: Would be good thanks
21:03:32 PeggyG: Hi Sheila! so glad you could join us!
21:03:40 HiHelen18: I hear a welcome when anyone enters the room but nothing else
21:03:59 Sheila: Hi all!
21:03:59 HiHelen18: Haven't used this type of chat before
21:03:59 SusanEttenheim: helen what platform are you on?
21:04:06 SusanEttenheim: have you ever heard here before?
21:04:10 HiHelen18: Windows 7
21:04:18 SusanEttenheim: do you see the volume icon?
21:04:25 Sheila: @HiHelen18 you can click on the speaker to mute that sound.
21:04:29 SusanEttenheim: when you click on that it should open the audio
21:05:00 SusanEttenheim: so we're really good to skype people in tonight so keep your ears open!
21:05:10 PeggyG: just received the latest recording from Gator Radio tonight :-)
21:05:17 SusanEttenheim: great!
21:05:32 PeggyG: http://paulallison.tumblr.com/post/3078082351/matt-montagne-will-be-join...
21:05:33 SusanEttenheim: everyone - please introduce yourself! where and what do you teach?
21:05:35 Paul Allison: http://paulallison.tumblr.com/post/3078082351/matt-montagne-will-be-join...
21:05:38 HiHelen18: No luck still.
21:05:41 SusanEttenheim: Thanks Peggy!
21:05:44 PeggyG: great minds think alike Paul :-)
21:05:53 SusanEttenheim: helen - do you see the volume icon at edtechtalk.com?
21:06:06 PeggyG: the Gator Radio show is always great! :-)
21:06:37 SusanEttenheim: I'm at Eleanor Roosevelt High School in NYC - Elaine? Rita? Sheila? Peggy? ;)
21:06:40 SusanEttenheim: :)
21:07:03 HiHelen18: Yes I do now. Channel a or b\
21:07:09 PeggyG: I'm a retired elementary principal and university pre-service instructor in Phoenix AZ. Also co-host the weekly Classroom 2.0 LIVE webinars
21:07:09 SusanEttenheim: gatorraadio.blogspot.com
21:07:32 SusanEttenheim: welcome peggy! as always!
21:07:56 PeggyG: http://gatorradio.blogspot.com/
21:08:02 Sheila: I'm a 7th grade science teacher in NH.
21:08:08 PeggyG: all of the recordings are there :-)
21:08:19 SusanEttenheim: Hi Sheila - welcome again!
21:08:22 PeggyG: their new recording studio is fantastic!
21:08:56 SusanEttenheim: Elaine - where and what do you teach?
21:09:03 HiHelen18: I am a teacher who has always been interested in incorporating technology into the classroom and now have the opportunity to work with preservice teachers for the next 12 months to do just that.
21:09:05 SusanEttenheim: Rita- where and what do you teach?
21:09:15 HiHelen18: I am located at Armidale, NSW, Australia
21:09:29 SusanEttenheim: welcome helen! can you hear now?
21:09:36 PeggyG: I love tuning in live but I rely on the calendar postings to remind me and haven't received any updates. Matt are you still using the calendar to schedule the shows?
21:09:48 rita: I am a Principal in the Archdiocese of Phila
21:09:51 PeggyG: Great to have you here HiHelen!!
21:09:59 HiHelen18: No not sure what icon to use. Tried real player channel b butthere was an error
21:10:06 PeggyG: so glad you're here rita!!
21:10:13 SusanEttenheim: Hi Rita - what ages?
21:10:30 rita: Pre K 3 to grade 8
21:10:37 PeggyG: @HiHelen-I use the first icon and it opens in itunes. will that work for you?
21:11:07 PeggyG: http://edtechtalk.com:8000/ Try this link for the audio HiHelen
21:11:09 HiHelen18: No that doesn't work either. This is a real pain! Not itunes
21:11:14 SusanEttenheim: helen we are edtechtalk A
21:11:47 SusanEttenheim: don't worry - you'll get it!
21:11:55 SusanEttenheim: and then you'll know how for next time!
21:12:29 PeggyG: carpet squares on the wall Matt :-)
21:12:31 SusanEttenheim: hi arvind!
21:13:17 HiHelen18: Hurrah, I hear talking!!!
21:13:23 SusanEttenheim: great helen!
21:13:31 SusanEttenheim: what did you do to make it work?
21:13:34 rita: :D
21:13:43 HiHelen18: Real player talk A
21:13:50 SusanEttenheim: great!
21:14:21 PeggyG: http://earthbridges.wikispaces.com/ we're just beginning to update content about Earthcast 2011 here but you can see what we did in earlier years
21:15:10 HiHelen18: Ok, this is something I have not come across before
21:15:11 PeggyG: Sheila and I have been doing some brainstorming :-)
21:15:14 matt montagne: take a look at this 'mission' that Kevin Honeycutt posted on his blog...not environmentally - http://web.me.com/khoneycuttessdack/D-1/D-1_Home.html
21:15:50 PeggyG: we're thinking of using a similar model to K12 Online Conference with many pre-recorded sessions and opportunity for some live sessions for those who want them
21:16:02 SusanEttenheim: peggy can I skype you in?
21:16:07 Sheila: We started the echo first! ;)
21:16:20 SusanEttenheim: sheila just finished shoveling... ;)
21:16:25 Paul Allison: Sheila too... can you join us via skype
21:16:29 SusanEttenheim: we'll give her a tiny break?
21:16:43 SusanEttenheim: cmon peggy... :)
21:17:07 SusanEttenheim: sheila peggy sheila peggy sheila peggy
21:17:11 PeggyG: ok-I'll get my headset on-just a sec. But bring Sheila in too.
21:17:20 SusanEttenheim: awww the crowd wants to talk to you!
21:17:25 SusanEttenheim: lol
21:17:41 SusanEttenheim: ok sheila - you heard that... ?
21:17:45 SusanEttenheim: go get your tea
21:17:50 SusanEttenheim: we'll wait for you!
21:18:20 SusanEttenheim: elaine, helen, rita - feel free to jump in here!'
21:18:33 Paul Allison: http://playinterrobang.com/missions
21:19:00 HiHelen18: I missed the first part so am a bit lost
21:19:32 SusanEttenheim: here you go helen!
21:19:46 rita: yes i am feeling a bit lost here
21:19:50 Sheila: Talking about Earthcast.
21:19:54 rita: ok
21:19:56 SusanEttenheim: ok rita... here you go too! :)
21:20:09 SusanEttenheim: sheila - get those headsets!
21:21:02 SusanEttenheim: rita, elaine and helen - do you celebrate Earth Day?
21:21:46 HiHelen18: No, not that I know of.
21:22:05 SusanEttenheim: you can all hear this description now, right?
21:22:08 rita: yes we have an earth day play in production now at our school
21:22:22 HiHelen18: Yes I am hearing
21:22:23 Paul Allison: http://earthbridges.net/
21:22:25 SusanEttenheim: do you celebrate it in april?
21:22:30 rita: I am in an inter-city school
21:22:30 SusanEttenheim: great!
21:22:31 Sheila: http://earthbridges.wikispaces.com/
21:22:40 rita: yes we celebrate it in april
21:22:58 SusanEttenheim: sheila can we skype you in now?
21:23:02 rita: ok
21:23:03 Sheila: sure
21:23:05 rita: i see
21:23:35 HiHelen18: Is it where you turn off your power for a day?
21:24:27 matt montagne: Earth Hour
21:24:31 SusanEttenheim: can you hear helen?
21:24:36 SusanEttenheim: yeah!
21:24:50 HiHelen18: This is sounding a bit like a flat classroom project that I ran last year with schools in NY
21:25:06 matt montagne: Do Australians celebrate 'Earth Day'
21:25:21 PeggyG: http://www.earthhour.org/about/
21:25:24 HiHelen18: No, not where I live.
21:26:13 PeggyG: Earth hour-switching off lights for one hour once a year to raise awareness of sustainability issues
21:26:51 PeggyG: I agree Matt
21:27:04 HiHelen18: Sydney makes a big thing about turning off their lights for the night or the hour from their highrises!! But I am amazed that it can't be done all the time!
21:27:39 HiHelen18: I am a country girl born and bred and can remember going to the cities ans seeing all these lights on all the time and being amazed!!
21:27:49 PeggyG: that's great to know Sheila
21:29:03 HiHelen18: I will be working with preservice maths and science teachers this year so that Webcasting idea sounds great
21:29:44 HiHelen18: 22nd April here is Good Friday and therefore no school. We are actually on holidays for the 2 weeks preceding that date
21:29:50 PeggyG: there are always tons of things taking place in schools to celebrate Earth Day but it's hard to know whether they will do it before their break or when they come back
21:29:59 rita: Yes we will be off also
21:30:15 rita: we are doing the play the week before
21:30:16 PeggyG: that's why it seems to make sense to promote it and get participation beyond the actual day
21:30:20 rita: on the 15th
21:30:30 PeggyG: that sounds great rita!
21:30:33 HiHelen18: What is the significance of the date?
21:30:41 SusanEttenheim: I love the idea of a farmer's market!
21:30:42 rita: Easter is late this year
21:30:57 Sheila: Helen, here are some echoes we have done. Try to make opportunities when we can. http://earthcastecho.wikispaces.com/
21:31:01 SusanEttenheim: I've gone to a few winter farmers' markets this winter and they
21:31:02 PeggyG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Day
21:31:06 SusanEttenheim: re so much fun!
21:31:53 PeggyG: http://playinterrobang.com/missions there are lots of ideas on this link Paul shared earlier
21:32:00 PeggyG: Hi Cheri!
21:32:04 SusanEttenheim: hi cheritoledo welcome!
21:32:10 SusanEttenheim: where and what do you teach?
21:32:13 cheritoledo: thanks
21:32:38 cheritoledo: I'm in Normal, IL and I teach ed tech grad classes - child development to preservice teachers
21:32:39 PeggyG: 38:43 mark in the video :-) will check it out!
21:32:44 rita: checking out that mission page .......... Love it will share it with my students
21:32:48 HiHelen18: This has given me some good ideas to give my preservice teachers
21:33:02 PeggyG: we also really want to have a keynote speaker for Earthcast this year!! that is always a highlight
21:33:21 matt montagne: Brainstorming 'Missions' https://docs.google.com/a/castilleja.org/document/d/18tl463EEvicoli-K3MS...
21:33:35 rita: teachers will like it
21:34:16 Sheila: @Matt - need a login.
21:34:19 PeggyG: http://www.earthday.org/campaign/our-next-earth-day-billion-acts-green%C...
21:35:03 SusanEttenheim: hi cheri - welcome back!
21:35:19 matt montagne: Try this link for the 'Brainstorm' document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18tl463EEvicoli-K3MSx_1EXCzldSa8sOOmC...
21:35:34 PeggyG: http://www.earthday.org/campaign/arts-earth this has some interesting ideas about environmental education through the arts
21:35:36 Sheila: Yes, that works.
21:37:09 PeggyG: many of the things we did "live" last year could easily be captured on flipvideo cameras to share as recordings (like student interviews in the hallway about what they're doing to go green)
21:37:30 HiHelen18: Fits into many of our curriculum areas
21:37:40 PeggyG: definitely Helen
21:38:11 PeggyG: we know there are people who participated last year who are looking forward to returning with their classes
21:39:06 rita: thank you all for alowing me to lurke here I will share the mission page with my teachers and will be looking forward to the earth day casting. we will be recording the play we are doing! I am going to look into adding it for you to see.
21:39:20 PeggyG: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sadamsrjh/sets/72157623424103795/show Sheila's Belize photos from last year :-)
21:39:36 SusanEttenheim: join us every week rita!
21:39:37 HiHelen18: & we have cyclones, floods, fires and heatwaves!!!
21:39:37 PeggyG: that sounds wonderful rita! we'd love to have you participate
21:40:17 PeggyG: Australia is having a rough time these days!! are you near Queensland Helen?
21:40:32 rita: the flip video cameras are great for the kids to use
21:41:04 rita: Good Luck everyone hope to see you on earth day!
21:41:09 PeggyG: kids love to use the flip video cameras and those videos are great uploaded into Animoto with other photos to create a message
21:41:17 PeggyG: bye rita-thanks for joining us
21:41:30 rita: :D
21:41:33 HiHelen18: About 3 hrs south of the border, so a long way from any of the disaster areas but we are experiencing heat like we have never seen here in 12 years of living here
21:41:51 HiHelen18: What is a flip video camera please?
21:41:51 cheri: @Peggy, can you provide bit.ly or snipurls for the sites listed above? For some reason they aren't working for me. Thanks.
21:41:59 PeggyG: can't do it
21:42:04 cheri: oh
21:42:08 PeggyG: have to drag the url into the chat
21:42:13 PeggyG: can't copy/paste
21:42:26 SusanEttenheim: how interesting!
21:42:26 PeggyG: if I click on them they work for me
21:42:35 HiHelen18: Working for me as well
21:42:50 cheri: @HiHelen18 Flip video cameras are the little cameras that have a usb connector build in
21:43:05 cheri: @Peggy i'll check the transcript later then
21:43:11 PeggyG: http://www.theflip.com/en-us/
21:43:27 HiHelen18: Ok thanks I ahven't come across them. Our schools are very limited in resources
21:43:29 PeggyG: Cheri-you'll have the same problem with the transcript unfortunately--it doesn't show the entire URL
21:43:58 cheri: oy
21:44:54 PeggyG: https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dhn2vcv5_6tv55j7g9 Helen-this is a great resource for ways to use flip video cameras in the classroom
21:45:00 SusanEttenheim: we put tea bags in the compost
21:45:36 HiHelen18: Does each student get a flip or could they use their mobile phones instead as msot have them and a good reason to be allowed to use them?
21:45:54 PeggyG: you could share one flip camera among your students
21:46:36 HiHelen18: Rule of thumb: anything that lives or was living can be composted.
21:46:48 PeggyG: http://www.epa.gov/osw/conserve/rrr/composting/by_compost.htm
21:47:01 PeggyG: guide for creating your own compost pile :-)
21:47:29 HiHelen18: shredded paper is a great addition to compost
21:48:38 HiHelen18: Don't use shiny magazine type paper
21:49:27 PeggyG: http://www.carbonrally.com/ this site provides great challenges regularly for reducing carbon footprint
21:50:08 PeggyG: do they call those compost closets?
21:50:33 Sheila: http://necarbonchallenge.org/ We also did this last year.
21:51:10 matt montagne: link to a guy here in the bay area that saved his trash every day for a year: http://saveyourtrash.typepad.com/
21:51:11 Sheila: We had someone come in from the local recycling and did a film fest with my 7th graders.
21:51:12 PeggyG: I really liked the evoke model!
21:51:22 matt montagne: me too, Peggy.
21:52:09 PeggyG: http://blog.urgentevoke.net/
21:52:24 PeggyG: it focuses on real problems even those it's gamelike
21:52:26 HiHelen18: McCarthy Catholic College, Tamworth NSW won awards >2yrs ago on their recycling in their school. Took videos pre and post and an amazing difference
21:53:29 PeggyG: don't know the McDonald's Game
21:53:49 HiHelen18: Phones confiscated in all our schools. Some independent schools allow their students and create apps around them but the majority they are a no no.
21:54:14 PeggyG: http://www.mcvideogame.com/index-eng.html
21:54:20 PeggyG: found it
21:54:27 Sheila: Here is our kick off for digging through the trash. http://classblogmeister.com/blog.php?blog_id=1135633&mode=comment&user_i...
21:55:11 PeggyG: yes definitely a community model
21:55:28 PeggyG: thanks for that link Sheila
21:55:45 PeggyG: I like the Echo model too so it continues all year long
21:56:02 PeggyG: our whole message is every day is earth day
21:56:54 HiHelen18: :D
21:57:08 Sheila: I used this simulation with my students. http://www.electrocity.co.nz/
21:57:20 Sheila: Yes, PeggyG
21:57:24 HiHelen18: Have used this as well
21:57:48 PeggyG: yes-they had to solve the problems
21:58:08 PeggyG: that's a great link Sheila-Electrocity
21:59:02 PeggyG: do the kids actually bring their own water bottles, Sheila?
21:59:12 Sheila: yes they do.
21:59:25 Sheila: SEveral if they have sports.
21:59:28 PeggyG: good for them! I think you have them well trained :-) or educated!
21:59:51 matt montagne: Mission brainstorm: https://docs0.google.com/document/d/18tl463EEvicoli-K3MSx_1EXCzldSa8sOOm...
21:59:59 PeggyG: let the kids create the game and they'll be totally engaged
22:00:16 matt montagne: YES, totally Peggy
22:00:53 Sheila: Material World - I used the book this week.
22:01:01 PeggyG: I really like the ideas Paul started with about connecting the Gulf Oil crisis with earthday this year
22:01:41 PeggyG: we should have them research this drastically changing weather--unprecedented!
22:01:42 Sheila: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/worldbalance/material.html - Material World link.
22:02:05 PeggyG: they could interview and record via skype :-)
22:02:21 HiHelen18: TC Yasi the first Cat 5 in living history
22:02:27 HiHelen18: in Australia
22:02:41 PeggyG: Month of April with Echo shows
22:02:51 PeggyG: yes Sheila!!
22:03:11 PeggyG: collaborative curriculum building is a great approach to this
22:03:38 PeggyG: thanks for getting that started for us Matt
22:03:49 PeggyG: yes this all relates to Earthcast!
22:04:17 PeggyG: yes! we'll put it on the Earthcast wiki
22:04:30 PeggyG: http://earthbridges.wikispaces.com/
22:04:31 HiHelen18: I think there would be value in linking with schools from other countries eg Australia
22:04:40 PeggyG: absolutely Helen!
22:04:50 PeggyG: we had worldwide participation last year
22:04:56 PeggyG: several presentations from the UK
22:05:04 HiHelen18: Our students do not realise taht there is a big world outside their back door.
22:05:25 HiHelen18: I will promote it on my website and to my preservice teachers when they start
22:05:31 Sheila: Thank you! I'm getting excited again! :)
22:05:46 PeggyG: me too Sheila!
22:05:52 SusanEttenheim: thanks for joining us peggy and sheila!
22:05:58 SusanEttenheim: and everyone of course!
22:06:04 PeggyG: always fun and motivating Susan and Paul
22:06:21 PeggyG: http://www.mcvideogame.com/index-eng.html
22:06:32 PeggyG: that's the McDonald's game link
22:06:52 PeggyG: good night everyone
22:07:09 HiHelen18: Lunch time here
22:07:26 Sheila: Peggy's quick on the draw with the links! :)
22:07:29 Sheila: Thanks all!
22:07:38 Paul Allison: Good night!
22:07:44 PeggyG: I posted it earlier but it's hard to recognize it
22:07:57 PeggyG: sure wish we could get the chat fixed so it would post the entire URL