IHAQ#5 - Why does Sugata Mitra anger so many educators?

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doohickey

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Hmm...

I'm confused..is there a G+ or other connection to enter live room with or is this obs only?

Geshundheit, John

Audrey ... Sugata Mitra has been accused of being a

http://hackeducation.com/2013/03/03/hacking-your-education-stephens-hole-in-the-wall-mitra/

Audrey's link: http://hackeducation.com/2013/03/03/hacking-your-education-stephens-hole-in-the-wall-mitra/

Or that one that Jen posted...

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Hi everybody

Hey there Peggy!

Hi sarah :-)

Hello Peggy .. always great to have you in the broadcast

I promise, I'm not stalking you today :)

I'm so glad these conversations are back but they really go by fast in only 30 minutes!

hahaha Sarah

can you see the stream, btw?

seeing and hearing great!

I can see it

Yes

yes you're streaming

I'm on the edtechtalk live page

I'm on edtechtalk live

Had to hit play

oh boy! Jeff gets to thank himself :-)

what a wonderful holiday!

I like the mustache

monika hardy

yes..

Both Khrisnamurti had the same affects on teachers...as at the extreme did Illich.

Audrey Waters is always a year ahead of everyone else.

Does anyone know if he was ever an elementary level classroom teacher?

at least a year John

:) Kathy Shields

Also, does anyone have the data on the long term progress made by the students from the whole in the wall? Are they employed?

I have a feeling that SM may be a one trick pony?

Nicely stated, Dave

I kind of get what he means about facilitating and letting kids learn as opposed to modeling a way of learning and knowing which I think is a more common approach.

Hello Graham

I remember an article from a local observer on problems like connectivity and bigger kids hogging the computers, not letting younger children have a turn

poor local connections and girls being pushed out too

Yes, so do we adopt a survival of the fittest approach?

LOL I saw the "Granny in the Cloud" talk too

So isn't this just Khan Academy? It has the entire K-12 math curriculum in it. Why can't we just use that?

from having worked in after school program with middle schoolers in a poor rural community where many did not have access outside school, I have to say it rang very true

They are doing this in Alternative HS's. Just a room in a strip mall with a teacher attendant.

Right. Connectivity is a challenge. But in some cases, it may be a smaller challenge than getting good teachers, especially if you can use mobile.

and would add that any such program should make use of game based learning because that is what they will be looking for...then

I suspect a number of K-12 arenas implement variations on this theme ... at least a few that I have encountered seem to be doing something quite similar, yet using other school personnel as the "granny" guide.

If mobile is affordable

very helpful clarifications Graham

Carol, what I hear from K-12 teacher friends is the coming model

every good school starts with a culture of caring

Indeed, Vanessa, and sme have already implemented such ... and for some time now, so they have had the opportunity to fine tune a bit

I think social is a huge part of SOLE

Perhaps the venue ... rural India ... has underscored the efficacy of his "experiment" ... his initial installation

Agreed, Peggy

Nothing can replace a teacher

I would love to have a conversation with Steve Hargadon about his experiences with Black Mountain SOLE

Carol, unfortunately, too much of the fine tuning has been more of the canned content + analytics varieties

This is exactly the education my daughter had for grades 7-8, and we chose it over traditional school because it was less harmful than the traditional classroom.

Ah, so you are saying that it lowers the standard for what students deserve as part of their education.

[url]http://blackmountainsole.org/[/url]

Interesting, John ... first hand case study ...

thx, Peggy

that is a great point Jeff!

Think New York City ... where there were a number of teachers who were so poor at teaching, that they were sen to "holding lounges" and paid to not teach ... at least a few years ago this was true

I remember hearing that Carol

Can the advantages of automation through technology be applied to education at all?

yes school in the cloud

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_T._Corbett

Data FOR the learner - that's what we are currently looking at the INSPIRE Centre - http://inspire.edu.au

dave cormier

thanks for link Alexander

I think the self-organized learning was his main point

Amen, Jeff.

Agree with Jeff

What is it that we're trying to accomplish with this education thing we keep talking about?

who wants that????

not just do it but apply it to new situations to solve real issues

Do the students have a PLN have they mastered social networking; are they prepared to lead others? How are they forming relationships?

oh no!!!!

Jeff Lebow

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Good point Peggy and John

30 minutes is just not long enough for this kind of drilling down!!

thanks folks

20 mins was way too short

if you're going to continue to discuss after wards in post show why not make the show longer???

link dumps are fun!

It's a new rule. We have to be 30 minutes, or it's free.

question for next week?

Yes, Peggy, give us one.

no I don't

Good idea. What is really new? How about the fight to stay relevant or cutting edge in your field? Anyone feel that it's more challenging by the day?

thinking

yes I am!!!!

your granny :-)

thanks Jeff

not at all offended

very heartwarming

What potential does social media have for professional development in education?

why are fewer people participating in free online conferences, webinars and moocs? over saturation or????

I know that has been tossed about and exists ... just wondering if discrete elements could be discussed ...

How do you find out about cool conferences?

are you suggesting that question for next week Kathy? :-)

Oh, not exactly, just in general

yes

homeschooling

yes numbers are definitely growing

yes

and diy community education projects

the fabulous keynote speakers at the Reinvent Learning conference last week only had 30-50 participants

Conferences may underscore the f2f networking element that may be more appealing to many

way more than that! I go to webinars and hangouts once or twice every day

I think the Roundtable conversations led by Ben Wilkhoff are great! Lots of content, discussion, resources to follow up with and educators to connect with

@peggy ... yes ... Ben does a fantastic job!

I think it would be interesting to hear about peoples productivity workflow, what are the ways you work? How does tech help or interfere, are there best practices for curating, organizing and how can we best teach students to form good productivity habits online?

Carol I think the reality is that while people love the f2f more and more they can't afford to travel to them and the rich experience isn't happening locally

another great question Kathy :-)

Thanks Peggy! This is something I think about every day. With so many choices of tools, how do we narrow down the field and choose the essentials that really help us be more productive, better communicators etc.

I think it's a great topic that we all struggle with.

how is that so different than what Sugata Mitra advocates?

Right. I think that's the point.

funny

@peggy ... it is REALLY similar, but Dave is working REALLY hard on the support, hand holding, try this, etc.