Women of Web 2.0 Show #63
This is the Super Administrator Show with guests Kelly Christopherson, principal of a K-12 school in Eston, Saskatchewan and Chris Lehmann, principal of the Science Leadership Academy, a high school in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Due to some audio and skype issues when we started, the formal show introduction occurs about 8 minutes into the audio.
The Women of Web 2.0 want to thank Maria for the wonderful job at last minute jumping to take the stream. It was her second show of the evening. Thanks Maria. Also, a big thanks to Kathy Shields for sitting in for Jen, while she is away on a sabbatical. Vicki was off for the evening with her family. Sharon held down the fort as moderator. Cheryl was in the chat room, as she was only able to listen from the Mountains. With the Women of Web 2.0, you just never know..... but it is always a great show! Thanks to the folks in the chat room and thanks to our guests. See you next week.
-notes added by Cheryl, page made by Maria.
Chat from Feb 19, 2008 Below
20:48:59 sendkathy Hi all, we have Chris Lehmann on very soon
20:50:37 MariaK I'm here kathy/cheryl - if you need me
20:50:48 PeggyG I'm really looking forward to hearing Chris!!
20:51:13 PeggyG Where is audio coming through tonight? Channel A?
20:51:33 sendkathy Need you!!!
20:51:57 sendkathy and please join in the conversation, Chris needs to speak with you....!
20:53:11 sendkathy We're getting there
20:54:10 Pat hello
20:55:22 sendkathy Hi all and welcome, Jen sends her HUGS and Grins
20:56:48 MariaK setting up the conference call - just a sec
20:57:02 randyn audio link please?
20:57:13 sharonp we haven't started streaming
20:57:15 sendkathy EdtechTalk A
20:57:27 randyn will it be under the audio stream on the right?
20:57:33 randyn ok, thanks
20:57:53 randyn CathyE not joining tonight?
20:58:58 PeggyG Any audio yet?
20:59:26 sendkathy Maria is just restarted the conference call now
21:00:03 sendkathy no stream yet hang on please
21:00:56 PeggyG No problem!
21:01:14 dougsymington hello all
21:01:35 nzchrissy Hi Doug
21:01:53 rrfournier Hi Laurie. We're in the right place?
21:02:01 Pat Hi. I'm new here. What should I expect next???
21:02:06 nzchrissy Hearing the stream now
21:02:06 janicestearns Hello @dougsymington
21:02:21 gatzke @rr I think so.
21:02:26 PeggyG Audio is coming through :-)
21:02:36 rrfournier do you have any audio?
21:02:39 PeggyG @Pat-welcome
21:02:50 janicestearns Yes, hearing it on Channel A
21:02:52 nzchrissy stream is edtechtalkA
21:02:52 gatzke @rr No do you?
21:02:55 judi epcke fingers crossed for bandwidth tonight!
21:03:06 Pat @Peggy -- how do I get the stream? I'm on a Mac
21:03:11 PeggyG Great to see all of you
21:03:14 cheryloakes vacation Hello all, I am in the mountains and can't stream, so I am guiding the chat room.
21:03:27 randyn I don't see the stream, let me refresh
21:03:31 PeggyG I listen through iTunes by clicking on the sound symbol on challen A
21:03:40 Pat Got it! throught iTunes!
21:03:40 gatzke I am on a mac and I got the stream through itunes.
21:03:42 cheryloakes vacation Thanks to MariaK for streaming.
21:03:47 PeggyG uh--that's channel :-)
21:03:48 MariaK can you hear
21:04:01 nzchrissy Go Maria!! You should graduate now
21:04:03 cheryloakes vacation Maria the stream sounds great
21:04:09 PeggyG Yes-hearing Ch A on iTunes
21:04:13 sendkathy Yes, lots of encouragement for Maria!!!
21:04:17 cheryloakes vacation I concur, Maira I have your back anytime
21:04:20 janicestearns Yeah!
21:04:23 cfoote I can't hear anything yet
21:04:24 Pat yes
21:04:27 CheriT Yup
21:04:29 joycevalenza the stream is beautiful
21:04:31 cheryloakes vacation Good sounds in teh chat room.
21:04:31 judi epcke We hear you!
21:04:37 bsch1964 yes
21:04:39 randyn got the stream :)
21:04:42 nzchrissy Stream is nice and clear in NZ
21:04:47 Ann-NJTechTeacher Good evening everyone
21:04:53 cfoote Hi Ann
21:05:08 nzchrissy Hi Ann
21:05:10 Diane Hammond Hi folks! Couldn't choose between watching lunar eclipse and listening to WOW tonight! Snowsquall helped me out :-)
21:05:12 cheryloakes vacation Hello all, I am in the chat with you tonight, I am in the mountains and cannot stream, and barely can keep the itunes alive.
21:05:19 janicestearns Uncheck the moony thing - Hi tech geek speak
21:05:19 Ann-NJTechTeacher Nice to see you all here
21:05:35 cheryloakes vacation Diane, isn't the lunar eclipse tomorrow/
21:05:40 cfoote Hi Cheryl in the mountains!
21:05:42 Diane Hammond no
21:05:42 PeggyG Hi Cheryl-you can help keep the chat room going :-)
21:05:50 cheryloakes vacation I am hiking and camping out tomorrow and hope to see the eclipse.
21:06:09 janicestearns Cheryl, that sounds wonderful!
21:06:10 cfoote Cheryl...very cool.
21:06:16 cheryloakes vacation I am trying to herd cats in the chat room, as my friend moira says.
21:06:17 emapey nice and clear in Uruguay, South America
21:06:22 rrfournier Hi Leah!
21:06:27 PeggyG @Cheryl--how exciting--hope your sky is clear :-)
21:06:28 cfoote HI South America!
21:06:30 judi epcke Hey Matt, Did you vote today?
21:06:37 khokanson finally not chppy for me
21:06:46 leahdewhurst hi
21:06:49 cheryloakes vacation Hello all, in the chat, hang in while the Wow2, and friends get things together.
21:06:50 emapey @cfoote Hi
21:06:53 Diane Hammond Gosh, this is the 19th! Woohoo - eclipse is tomorrow :-)
21:06:53 Pat how does the audio stream work? via Skype?
21:07:11 matt montagne Hey Judy-I did vote today...pretty good turnout for it being so cold
21:07:16 PeggyG They're using Skype--we just listen on our computers
21:07:22 cheryloakes vacation Whew, I will be fine tomorrow with the eclipse.
21:07:34 Pat thx
21:07:39 cheryloakes vacation Maria, great job! Hi Kathy, Sharon and Kelly< have fun.
21:07:40 judi epcke Oh is it cold by you? We had a balmy -8 degrees today
21:07:49 nzchrissy Hello Mrs Durff!
21:07:51 sendkathy Hi Cheryl!
21:07:53 cheryloakes vacation Vinnie, yeah!, gatzke and Durff
21:07:54 cfoote lol..just realizing that I woulnd't have known about the eclipse except for the chat right now.
21:07:57 sendkathy Third time is a charm
21:07:57 Kimmy Hi
21:08:10 Diane Hammond Hi Kelly! Hi Chris! So happy the two of you could be here tonight!
21:08:11 PeggyG Is someone going to talk about Vicki's webinar tomorrow?
21:08:15 MariaK it's most likely me
21:08:16 Kimmy I am from Saskatchewan
21:08:22 matt montagne very cold here as well...can't wait for spring break!
21:08:32 Kimmy ditto
21:08:32 VinnieVrotny Hey there guys. Only here for a few moments tonight. WIll have to duck out soon
21:08:35 khokanson @peggy what time is her webinar again?
21:08:38 judi epcke Don't mess with the stream. It's sounding good. Or it was..
21:08:42 PeggyG Sunny and warm in AZ--70 degrees
21:08:47 matt montagne we have a little mayday action w/skype I see
21:08:48 lindanitsche @emapey Can we chat sometime about connecting with my students? The special areas in my school are focusing on South America and your insight would be grand.
21:08:54 Kimmy Love AZ
21:08:55 Diane Hammond @kimmy, not from saskatcehwan but from Canada just the same
21:08:59 Kimmy wher are you from
21:09:03 janicestearns I feel lucky to be in So Cal It was about 65 today.
21:09:03 judi epcke @matt was in Palm Springs this past weekend to get a little sun time.
21:09:05 cheryloakes vacation They are going back in to a skype call, the stream is still going for Maria, you can hear her typing.
21:09:20 Diane Hammond @Kimmy - Ontario
21:09:23 Ann-NJTechTeacher We had 65 in New Jersey yesterday - what a treat!
21:09:25 cheryloakes vacation Hang on the skype should be coming back.
21:09:37 janicestearns Is that unusal for NJ?
21:09:38 matt montagne @judi you picked a great weekend for that...weather here was terrible
21:09:38 leahdewhurst Hi Kimmy, I am from Saskatchewan too
21:09:41 sendkathy back soon we hope
21:09:41 Pat I'm in Delaware -- 70 yesterday and down to 27 tonight!
21:09:42 emapey @lindanitsche Great
21:09:47 cheryloakes vacation Maria, I am sweating for you, even though it is 22 degrees F.
21:09:52 Pat very unusual
21:09:55 Ann-NJTechTeacher Extremely - it's usually in the 40s this time of year
21:10:02 judi epcke I'm a little tired of the snow.
21:10:03 cheryloakes vacation Pat, it is that cold in Maine too.
21:10:03 Sarah S We hit a sunny 40 today in Maine - then the cold front came through and we had snow showers.
21:10:15 Diane Hammond Just got back from Mexico - gorgeous there!
21:10:21 lindanitsche @emapey twitter id lnitsche skype id lvnitsche
21:10:23 nzchrissy It doesn't snow here, I wish it would
21:10:25 Pat Wacky weather all over!
21:10:26 cheryloakes vacation Hi Sarah, I am going to go through the chat and see who all is here.
21:10:30 sharonp You folks are so patient
21:10:32 Ann-NJTechTeacher We're back in the 30s today too
21:10:33 janicestearns Lucky you to be in Mexico.
21:10:36 Durff maria sounds great
21:10:42 cfoote Diane, wow, sounds great!
21:10:50 Pat @Ann Where in NJ are you?
21:10:52 cheryloakes vacation Maria, he has to accept you as a friend.
21:11:00 Diane Hammond It was PERFECT! and i sooo needed a holiday!
21:11:07 PeggyG @sharonp--want to tell people about Chris while we wait to connect with him?
21:11:13 Ann-NJTechTeacher Up north x138 off the parkway if you're familiar with that
21:11:25 nzchrissy You are doing fine, Maria, keep talking
21:11:31 cfoote Captain--the engines aren't gonna hold ;)
21:11:41 Pat @Ann -- yup, far away from me -- just south of exit 1!
21:11:48 MariaK can you hear now
21:11:52 judi epcke Live long and prosper.
21:11:54 khokanson GRRR back to chpoppy audio
21:11:56 cfoote If Sharon is talking, we can't hear her...I can hear someone.
21:11:57 janicestearns Technology sometimes keeps us real
21:12:00 randyn hi Cathy E
21:12:01 cheryloakes vacation we hear you Maria
21:12:07 nzchrissy We can only hear Maria
21:12:09 bsch1964 mine is fine
21:12:09 khokanson like last few weeks
21:12:09 Ann-NJTechTeacher @Pat I get down there once a year in September
21:12:17 cheryloakes vacation we hear Kathy
21:12:17 emapey @lindanitsche skype: emapei twitter: emapey2
21:12:21 Durff Kathy sounds good
21:12:23 nzchrissy Now I can hear Kathy
21:12:32 MariaK can you hear us
21:12:33 cheryloakes vacation Kathy who are the guests tonight?
21:12:43 bsch1964 echoey
21:12:47 cheryloakes vacation Maria we hear Kathy, and Maria
21:12:48 cfoote I hear someone else now.
21:12:50 matt montagne talk to Dennis Richards...he is my superintendant hero figure!
21:12:50 Durff yes maria both sides
21:12:57 cfoote I hear 3 diff people ;)
21:12:58 Durff sounds good maria
21:12:59 nzchrissy Yes we can hear Kelly
21:13:00 Durff yup
21:13:00 cheryloakes vacation now we hear Kelly
21:13:02 bsch1964 yes
21:13:04 Durff hi kelly
21:13:05 MariaK thanks
21:13:05 Diane Hammond Yes, hi Kelly!
21:13:06 judi epcke YeahWe heard Kelly
21:13:08 cfoote I hear Kelly! hi!
21:13:09 bsch1964 I here you both
21:13:13 PeggyG Yes-Chris and Kelley coming through
21:13:14 Durff ok time is up
21:13:16 cheryloakes vacation There is a delay so you are all heard now.
21:13:18 Durff L)
21:13:23 cfoote Wow, cool, getting to hear Kelly :) pleased to meet you!
21:13:23 rrfournier kelly coming thru
21:13:24 sharonp Sharon is not there yet
21:13:24 sendkathy We are discussing change and administration
21:13:28 cheryloakes vacation we don't hear Sharon yet
21:13:30 Ann-NJTechTeacher We're getting a collection of superheros - Dennis belongs on the list
21:13:50 cheryloakes vacation Welcome kelly, glad you are here.
21:14:07 cheryloakes vacation Great that the chat room is hanging in to listen to the conversation.
21:14:09 judi epcke Great to hear from administration
21:14:16 PeggyG http://www.practicaltheory.org/serendipity - Chris Lehmann's blog
21:14:18 cfoote You had a great post about that today!
21:14:18 rrfournier Wow,7
21:14:26 Pat Is th class size?
21:14:30 lindanitsche I :D
21:14:37 cheryloakes vacation Sharon, we hear you, I think.
21:14:52 cfoote Okay so when teachers tell us they don't have time...Kelly has time for 7 kids, blogging, being a principal, etc...
21:14:52 khokanson wow Kelly I admire you even MORE now
21:14:55 khokanson :)
21:15:05 cfoote yow...6, 5, 3
21:15:10 judi epcke and he's on twitter a lot
21:15:17 jeffmason hey! we have 7 too!
21:15:32 Diane Hammond Kelly's blog: http://kwhobbes.wordpress.com/
21:15:46 PeggyG teenagers are delightful (when they're not your own) :-)
21:15:47 janicestearns Thanks for the link to the blog, Diane
21:16:18 cheryloakes vacation Hello Wendy, Vinnie,Srenatee, Pam, shelia, Sarah, rrfournier, Randy, Peggy, pat, thanks for joining tonight.
21:16:29 Wendy Hello everyone!
21:16:35 sheila Hi all!
21:16:36 Kimmy Hi everyone
21:16:53 Ann-NJTechTeacher Are any of courosa's students in the chat yet?
21:16:56 cheryloakes vacation Hi, Nzchrissy,mmkrill, Melinda!!!, loved your last podcast with Chris, Matt, mkm420fritz
21:16:58 khokanson have a GREAT asst supt I am trying to get blogging have shared Kelly's & Chris's blogs ANY OTHER GOOD ADMIN BLOGGERS OUT THERE???
21:17:04 matt montagne I have a group of girls who I work with who run the silverquill writing forum
21:17:14 gatzke Yes I am a student of Courosa's
21:17:18 sendkathy Kelly has 7 children from 3- 16 years
21:17:20 cfoote Kim Moritz @khokanson
21:17:23 matt montagne One of the girls has posted over 1000 stories on the forum!
21:17:27 PeggyG Check out Movingforward.wikispaces.com for admin blogs
21:17:35 Ann-NJTechTeacher Welcome @gatzke You should find this interesting
21:17:38 cfoote @khokanson and the podcasting principal site.
21:17:39 matt montagne they manage the forum all on their own!
21:17:56 matt montagne these kinds of stories will proliferate...
21:18:01 sheila @Matt - that's amazing.
21:18:13 cheryloakes vacation Hi luis, Lorna, Linda, LindaJ, leah, Kimmy, Kristen, Joyce, Jeff, Janice, gurliegurl,emapey, Donna, Diane, Cheri, Carolyn, Cathy bsch1964, Ann
21:18:15 rrfournier I am also one of Alec's students
21:18:16 khokanson Admins need to understand teaching and learning before their teachers can
21:18:16 matt montagne can we stay relevant when this is happening
21:18:20 Ann-NJTechTeacher @PeggyG Thanks for that link - I hadn't see it before
21:18:22 Pat looks like school is just a little part of their portfolio.
21:18:36 cheryloakes vacation Hi rrfournier, glad you could come from Alec's class.
21:18:37 khokanson which is why I admire Kelly and Chris...they GET IT
21:18:44 PeggyG movingforward is one of my favorite 2.0 resources
21:19:07 matt montagne admins are KEY...how can we get them to move along?
21:19:25 cheryloakes vacation Melinda, how was your conference today? saw your twitter.
21:19:27 Pat Is Kelly more constrained by teacher confidence or upper administration expectations?
21:19:31 PeggyG @matt-that's the entire focus of the movingforward wikispace site
21:19:35 gatzke I am a rookie administrator who encourages the use of technology and new instructional strategies. I find that I am often asking how can I get teachers to move along.
21:19:36 jeffmason Hello back to you cheryloakes
21:19:48 cheryloakes vacation Hello Jeff,
21:19:52 Diane Hammond Wow - something to celebrate - an administration that doesn't hinder!
21:19:54 PeggyG Hooray--welcome Chris!
21:20:03 Diane Hammond Welcome Chris!
21:20:07 mmiller it was okay, I mentor 4 other principals and we had to work on paperwork, yuk
21:20:09 khokanson w00t @chrislehmann in the howse :)
21:20:12 cfoote Hi Chris!
21:20:23 mrbest Hey Lehmann, how you feeling?
21:20:28 cheryloakes vacation hI Karen Jan, and ChrisLehmann
21:20:35 MariaK Thanks everyone for your understanding
21:20:36 cheryloakes vacation hello Mr. Best
21:20:56 KarenJanowski Hi, Cheryl!
21:20:58 mrbest hey cheryl
21:21:01 KarenJanowski hi everyone!
21:21:33 cheryloakes vacation Hello, I am in the chat room tonight.On vacation in the mtns and not enough bandwidth to skype in.
21:21:38 PeggyG as a retired elementary principal teachers need to see tech in action that helps them do what they want/need to do and not be perceived as one more add-on
21:21:50 Pat Is she getting her car window fixed?
21:22:02 mmkrill I'm pushing for a shared vision b/t teachers and admin
21:22:06 rrfournier @Laurie-How are you enjoying being an administrator? Overall.
21:22:07 cheryloakes vacation OH, Pat, I imagine that would be on the list of to do!
21:22:13 KarenJanowski chery, you must be skiing since it's February vacation!
21:22:17 sendkathy Chris is High School and urban, Kelly is K12 rural Canadian
21:22:25 mmkrill followed by plenty of PD on how to manage a tech filled classroom
21:22:28 PeggyG tech is not an "add-on"--must be integrated and carefully selected as appropriate tool for specific learning tasks.
21:22:32 gatzke @PeggyG I agree but they also need a certain skill level.
21:22:34 sendkathy Chris is in Philadelphia
21:22:35 cheryloakes vacation For all in the chat, the show will be a podcast later in the week, and the chat will be available.
21:22:46 KarenJanowski meant cheryl
21:22:52 janicestearns Thanks, Cheryl
21:22:58 cfoote Hi Maria!
21:23:00 sendkathy http://mogulus.com/
21:23:02 cheryloakes vacation KarenJan, the skiing was great until the rain a couple days ago, but they are making more snow.
21:23:13 PeggyG I found when teachers wanted to know how to do something they were eager learners!
21:23:17 Pat @gatzke I disagree. They need a willingness to learn and to share responsibility with their students
21:23:21 matt montagne I think we need to stop caling it technology...I know that is a semantics thing, but the term is over used
21:23:39 gatzke @Rosanne I really like it. Different but I am getting to do some instructional leadership with one school rather than 50.
21:23:42 Pat @matt bravo!
21:23:45 mmkrill @mattt Student centered?
21:24:06 mmkrill @matt Fun?
21:24:07 judi epcke @matt I agree. It's about teaching/learning.
21:24:14 Pat @matt We need to always be committed to using the right tool
21:24:16 PeggyG mogolus is very exciting--I put it on my Facebook profile :-)
21:24:28 sendkathy cool isn't it!
21:24:36 khokanson AMEN MATT.... talk about the TOOL not about the tech
21:24:41 matt montagne @all ...I like your ideas...I'm not sure what to replace it with
21:24:50 cfoote lolol..cute
21:24:52 sendkathy I tried to embed it in my wordpress but the script wouldn't take, any suggestions
21:25:01 cheryloakes vacation Yes, Judi, it is about the teaching and learning and the tools, that make it better for students.
21:25:05 cfoote I'd like the link to her blog :)
21:25:11 Ann-NJTechTeacher @sharonp I was wondering how she felt about "strangers" your twitter friends commenting
21:25:12 PeggyG great story Sharon :-) Twitter is quite a learning adventure
21:25:14 janicestearns @sendkathy - you might need a plugin
21:25:15 joycevalenza i haven't seen meg's blog yet. cool
21:25:18 cfoote She did a great time at Educon
21:25:24 matt montagne but we've had technology since the dawn of time..."digital technoloogy" is a recent phenom
21:25:29 sendkathy Oh, ok I will search for a plugin
21:25:35 PeggyG I also saw her blog via twitter--it was great
21:25:42 rrfournier @Laurie-What has been the most challenging issue you have faced as a new administrator.? If you can share in the chat.
21:25:43 sendkathy Or maybe just put it in a text widget
21:25:52 joycevalenza i am hearing two streams
21:25:58 sendkathy two streams?
21:26:00 khokanson so many of the SLA kids have blogs as a requirement of their courses...they don't see it as blogging, but more as ann assignment
21:26:16 sendkathy any delay or is it stereo?
21:26:19 cheryloakes vacation Joyce, do you have itunes and real player goin?
21:26:26 joycevalenza just itunes
21:26:30 cheryloakes vacation stream is just fine, and sounds great.
21:26:38 joycevalenza if it's jus me, forget it. i'll explore
21:26:52 KarenJanowski it would be good to have Dennisar on tonight as well. he is a superintendent here in MA
21:26:55 lindanitsche Play...YES!
21:26:57 rrfournier I agree. We need time to play with the tools
21:27:03 gatzke @rr I teach .7 and so trying to keep on top of teaching as well as the endless admin tasks and try to complete grad studies has been challenging.
21:27:16 Ann-NJTechTeacher Maybe he'll come on another time (dennisar)
21:27:24 cfoote great quote
21:27:28 matt montagne @karenjan - I agree, Dennis Richards would be awesome
21:27:38 cheryloakes vacation hm, Joyce that is a little strange.
21:27:41 bsch1964 good point
21:27:53 sharonp Yes, had a chance to meet Dennis at educon2 - deep thinker - lots to think about!
21:27:57 mkm420fritz it needs to become part of the system!
21:28:13 KarenJanowski he was the asst. super in my town before he got the super job
21:28:26 cfoote do you find it hard for teachers to make that leap to start thinking of themselves as learners, Kelly?
21:28:28 Diane Hammond Need to re-sahpe the way we evaluate teachers, don't you think?
21:28:31 gatzke many people don't even know what web 2.0 is they can't use it if there isn't awareness.
21:28:33 cfoote we're having a struggle with that.
21:28:34 khokanson y'all are making my application for pricipal cert WAY easier :P
21:28:45 sendkathy Good question cfoote
21:28:50 rrfournier @Laurie-It's similar as a Learning Leader. Teach full time and complete the many administrative tasks set out by Learning Council. I do enjoy working with adults as well as young people.
21:28:57 bsch1964 I don't. I know that I am learning everyday!
21:29:03 lindanitsche We need to encourage innovation.
21:29:13 Diane Hammond Instead of evaluating competencies we need to evaluate learing strategies
21:29:31 VinnieVrotny got to go now. take care all
21:29:33 cfoote Our principal is extremely supportive and encouraging, but still hard to jump that hurdle for some on our staff.
21:29:42 joycevalenza it was mogulus!
21:29:43 sharonp that is an interesting comment, Diane - about strategies vs competencies
21:29:45 cheryloakes vacation nite Vinnie!
21:29:47 mkm420fritz absolutely - re-evaluate the "evaluations" of students and teachers
21:29:57 mmkrill Our principal is on board...feels tied down by super
21:29:59 mkm420fritz model the use
21:30:03 cheryloakes vacation Oh, Joyce you rascal
21:30:14 joycevalenza :-)
21:30:19 PeggyG networking with other administrators and teachers is sooo important!
21:30:28 Pat We need to alleviate the desperation of testing so there is a commitment to learning all year instead of just late in the spring
21:30:29 sendkathy Yes, mogulus is annoying because when you go onto the site it starts autoplay! The only drawback!
21:30:30 khokanson mmkrill shared your principal's blog today
21:30:31 cfoote nodding here.
21:30:35 randyn is mogulus similar to uStream?
21:30:40 rrfournier How do you get teachers who refuse to use technology to move ahead?
21:30:42 janicestearns Our super is so supportive. We're trying to form the vision and define what it looks like.
21:30:45 gatzke I model risk taking and not having the answers....working together to provide support to our learners.
21:30:55 khokanson @peggy that is why I am DYING to get blogging administrators together
21:31:02 Diane Hammond Some of us old folks are quite with it :-)
21:31:11 khokanson teachers don't like to exist on an island..nor do admis
21:31:20 khokanson Chris & Kelly are unique
21:31:21 mkm420fritz it has to be part of the expectations...faculty mtg announcements/newsletters ONLY come out via email/blog...
21:31:22 gatzke @Diane yes we are.
21:31:26 matt montagne @khok-an admin blogging network is a wonderful idea...
21:31:28 cheryloakes vacation rrfournier, sometimes it comes down to adding a goal that the principal and teacher agree on with the tech tools.
21:31:33 sendkathy Here here Diane!!
21:31:35 PeggyG yeah, old isn't so bad :-)
21:31:44 cheryloakes vacation rrfournier, a goal that is part of the evaluation, with embedded training.
21:31:44 khokanson they are OK exisiting on their island examining the tough questions
21:31:56 matt montagne is anyone trying to facilitate an admin blogging network?
21:32:06 mkm420fritz yes - leadertalk
21:32:08 lindanitsche It is about creating a culture that supports the notion that you don't know all of the answers and are willing to work on it.
21:32:11 cfoote and also HOW do we get teachers to play?
21:32:22 khokanson culture is SO important
21:32:23 cfoote ours seem so driven...hard to get them to think of the idea of play!
21:32:23 bsch1964 yes
21:32:27 gatzke I'd sure like to be part of an admin blogging network. any links?
21:32:28 joycevalenza promote risk
21:32:28 Kimmy give them time to play
21:32:35 sharonp Kelly has started a ning for admins
21:32:43 joycevalenza and learning from risktaking!
21:32:49 PeggyG leadertalk is an outstanding blog! subscribe to the RSS feed--very active
21:32:52 mmkrill @khokanson He's working at the blog - next post = reflection
21:32:56 cheryloakes vacation great idea for a ning for admins.
21:33:06 khokanson and with PSSA how do admins justify play.... u know I am playing devils advocate here
21:33:12 cfoote we have a very "type A" faculty I think...good teachers, but...very driven.
21:33:17 sendkathy Yes, how can we get our admins involved?
21:33:22 srenatee there are types of teachers--consciously effective; unconsciously effective; consciously ineffective; unconsciously ineffective. Which do you think are "most dangerous" as teachers? least willing to learn?
21:33:25 lindanitsche Learning and self-reflection should be a part of every teacher's day - but it isn't necessarily so.
21:33:28 cfoote I like that--shared structures
21:33:35 mkm420fritz leadertalk.org
21:33:37 khokanson common language is ESSENTIAL
21:33:38 janicestearns I would like to know about the ning. Is it on his blog. Just saw his blog for the first time here.
21:33:43 sharonp Linda you are right on about need for reflection
21:33:56 gatzke Thanks mkm420
21:33:59 PeggyG self-reflection is critical but people/teachers don't automatically know how to do it--learned that teaching pre-service teachers
21:34:00 cfoote good good point, Chris. Creating that common language important.
21:34:08 sharonp @janicestearns - will be sure to ask
21:34:16 cheryloakes vacation Reminder, the podcast and chat will be available later in the week.
21:34:17 KarenJanowski @lnitsche but should that be mandated or just happen?
21:34:25 sendkathy How can we simplify and streamline our systems in schools
21:34:29 matt montagne but leadertalk seems to be one blog...I'd like a way for individual admins to easily get together and share blogs with one another...
21:34:33 sendkathy Chris talks about John Madea
21:34:37 MariaK @cheryloakes (hopefully)
21:34:37 janicestearns @sharonp thanks
21:34:42 PeggyG I don't believe you can mandate learning
21:34:45 sendkathy He wrote Laws of Simplicity
21:34:50 khokanson who wrote that
21:34:53 janicestearns @matt I like that idea
21:34:56 matt montagne Great questions, Chris...
21:35:00 lindanitsche @Karen J Mandated doesn't work- supporting, modeling,
21:35:06 sendkathy John Madia, Madea?
21:35:09 bsch1964 wow
21:35:11 sendkathy Will look it up!
21:35:14 lindanitsche encouraging
21:35:16 chrislehmann Madea, I believe.
21:35:21 KarenJanowski @lnitsche - agree - so how do we get teachers to reflect willingly?
21:35:24 cfoote wow, awesome point
21:35:24 PeggyG Leadertalk has lots of administrators posting on the blog--their own posts--not just responses
21:35:28 matt montagne @janice...I'm thinking some easy way for admins to share their blogs w/other admins...
21:35:40 chrislehmann Sorry if I sound really hoarse, btw... still battling a flu.
21:35:43 sendkathy laws of simplicity
21:35:45 lindanitsche I think you ask the right questions
21:35:46 sendkathy oops
21:35:57 sendkathy http://www.lawsofsimplicity.com/
21:35:59 mmkrill A pageflakes pagecast full of admin blogs...
21:36:05 jeffmason to guests: Most administrators are fearful of loosening restrictions on all things digital. What allowed you to lose your fear?
21:36:12 Diane Hammond In a rural community, you never get staff tun-over, do you?
21:36:18 gatzke @matt how about an admin twitter following (not a fan of Twitter but this interests me.)
21:36:22 Diane Hammond turn-over
21:36:49 sharonp Isn't that cool? A school wiki!
21:36:53 judi epcke my admin has a hard time embracing twittter. not enough time to 'connect'
21:36:56 judi epcke Hi Meg
21:36:57 gatzke You are walking the talk....teachers respect that.
21:36:59 PeggyG yes-ask the right questions--check out the video later on Learningischange.com
21:37:01 mmiller as an admin on twitter and admin twitter following would be awesome
21:37:04 megormi hi all
21:37:08 matt montagne @gatzke...I like it, but I think most admins will find twitter "weird" at first
21:37:12 sharonp A principal who asks his staff to use the wiki
21:37:15 sharonp I love it
21:37:22 Diane Hammond Once a day - good for you!
21:37:30 Durff ahh-sub plans done
21:37:31 sendkathy Good question, how do admins feeel about loosening control when it comes to tech
21:37:37 PeggyG Tim Tyson required all of his teachers to blog weekly
21:37:47 Wendy John Madea on TED http://www.ted.com/speakers/view/id/155
21:37:55 Durff i would fit right in there
21:38:02 matt montagne I think we should all slip our adminis a few good books to read this summer
21:38:06 sendkathy great thanks for the link!
21:38:11 judi epcke @peggyg were the teacers blogging for parents to read for pro develop or ?
21:38:13 janicestearns I liked how Tim Tyson started with just posting homework and let it grow ... for some
21:38:17 KarenJanowski @matt - what books would you rcommend?
21:38:24 matt montagne I think Will Richardson's Blogs, Wikis, etc. should be required summer read for admins
21:38:24 Durff mine just read Pinks book
21:38:24 cheryloakes vacation send your admins to Melinda Miller, Podcasting principal
21:38:27 cfoote @matt montagne Our principal has started us on a book study on dept chair committee
21:38:34 gatzke Time is really important. I know we don't have near enough. Most is prescribed. The time to reflect and really dig deeper isn't there.
21:38:35 cfoote we read it over the course of a semseter and discuss.
21:38:40 mkm420fritz they need to become part of the network...not read about it! get them involved so they can be part of the learning community - that's how they'll see the power.
21:38:40 sendkathy Durff, loved Pinks book and you?
21:38:41 PeggyG blogging for both and it was a very strong parent communication tool
21:38:45 cfoote It's making a big difference, giving us a unified message
21:38:46 sendkathy Breath of fresh air to me
21:38:50 janicestearns I loaded podcasts on my Sup's ipod Bit by Bit was one :)
21:38:52 Durff no kathy i didn't
21:39:04 sendkathy Why not?
21:39:05 gatzke I love book circles but not all staff will buy in.
21:39:05 Durff but i did like James Paul Gee's
21:39:08 judi epcke @janice did he/she listen to them?
21:39:09 sendkathy do tell
21:39:21 khokanson @matt is is not about the blog or the wiki thou it is about communitcation and understating teaching and learning as a process
21:39:22 janicestearns Absolutely. He's getting hooked.
21:39:26 cfoote @gatzke Just our leadership team and our dept. chairs are reading the book
21:39:27 Durff pink reiterates what i was learning in the early 80s
21:39:28 mmiller @cheryl I would love an admin twit network to shoot out questions to, yes I would love to networking with more admin
21:39:32 Durff old hat
21:39:41 cheryloakes vacation @Janice, I love Bitbybit snow days!
21:39:43 cfoote but it's a good start. gives us common language, like Chris mentioned.
21:39:43 lindanitsche @Durff Agreed
21:39:44 Durff coffee + cookies = brb
21:39:47 PeggyG Tim's site--great principal resources--drtimtyson.com
21:39:54 sendkathy I know but...
21:40:00 sendkathy We need reminders
21:40:01 sroseman twitter is blocked in our school district..shucks
21:40:01 gatzke who is going to start the admin twit? I don't really know how.
21:40:11 sendkathy we need to hear things in fresh new ways sometimes
21:40:20 matt montagne what about a blended approach to staff book circles? some f2f, some blog/discussion board reflection, etc?
21:40:24 janicestearns Snow days are fun to listent to. Don't have any here. You are all so ambitious.
21:40:28 khokanson it is about making practice tramsparente
21:40:33 KarenJanowski still no way to set up groups in twitter - we need to bombard them with that request
21:40:46 mmiller @gatzke I can add a "twitter" page to my wiki for my MO principals conference workshop
21:40:50 judi epcke @mmiller My admin is swarren1000 on twitter
21:40:56 matt montagne @khok-totally agree with you on your point about the tools...I just like Will's book b/c it is so practical
21:41:00 PeggyG Nichole was an awesome guest!
21:41:07 gatzke That's great you have held the staff accountable.
21:41:08 mrbest @khokanson: just pownced you something
21:41:09 mmiller @judiepcke THANKS!!!
21:41:27 cfoote It's the spider and starfish idea
21:41:31 gatzke @miller what would the link be?
21:41:36 matt montagne one other problem with web 2.0 and admins is they fear the risk...
21:41:39 matt montagne predators
21:41:40 dgoodman_1958 don't know whats being discussed but we have a newbie principal to Web 2.0 who created a wiki for her teachers to comment on a book she gave them at Christmas "The Present" She is modeling wiki use -you hoo
21:41:40 cfoote has to be integrated into school culture so it's not person -dependent
21:41:48 courosa i bet ai missed a great conversation so far
21:41:50 mmiller I have had such a hard time coming upwith a book study for the summer I may do a "blog post" study and send out blogs to meet and discuss over coffee
21:41:56 dgoodman_1958 sorry cfoote-just realized we are the same color
21:42:01 sharonp HI Alec.... great conversation tonight!
21:42:03 PeggyG drtimtyson.com/blog
21:42:04 cfoote @mmiller do whole new Mind.
21:42:10 matt montagne the american media blows up a good potential via fear and panic
21:42:16 gatzke I like the idea of a blogpost study. Let me know the blog.
21:42:18 dgoodman_1958 this color better
21:42:19 Durff alec - we discussing you
21:42:22 mmkrill My prin has a book study wiki too.
21:42:23 KarenJanowski anyone have network administrators that allow you to access all things 2.0?
21:42:27 courosa i'll be reviewing the audio for sure.
21:42:29 cfoote so question is--shared vision, how do you get there?
21:42:31 lindanitsche Distributed leadership and shared vision
21:42:35 sendkathy I'm trying to listen and watch, did I miss something, are you talking about a teacher bookclub run via wiki within a school?
21:42:42 cheryloakes vacation mmiller I am thinking of a ning for a discussion for our brain class, may keep it private to get people started.
21:42:48 mmkrill I can't get ning unblocked - but ready access otherwise
21:42:51 PeggyG no on access to 2.0 tools--very limited
21:42:56 janicestearns Give teachers more say and working collaboratively with admins
21:42:58 sharonp I had an IT Director who would back me wiht anything... at my former schoool - had dinner with him tonight! Great guy
21:43:01 mrbest hi everyone
21:43:01 courosa hey durff
21:43:04 mmiller http://maespinternetcafe.wikispaces.com/ I will add twitter to this thanks
21:43:15 cfoote Hi Tim best!
21:43:16 khokanson MRBEST RAWKS
21:43:20 lindanitsche @mmkrill I got Ning unblocked but it took some doing
21:43:21 gatzke Thanks mmiller
21:43:23 KarenJanowski how did the network administrators become the keepers of knowledge?
21:43:37 cfoote aw :)
21:43:46 sharonp Wow, seems we have some groupies of Tim Best in the house tonight!
21:43:49 mmkrill @linda - going one site at a time classroom20 okay, library20 - no?!
21:43:53 matt montagne @karenjan - darn good question...
21:44:06 lindanitsche @Karen J We gave it to them...??
21:44:14 Durff i think it is a question of control
21:44:19 KarenJanowski let's take the power back!
21:44:22 courosa that would have been a question I asked, good question.
21:44:28 PeggyG Tim is just on my mind because he has been the keynote for our AZ conferences this year--last one coming up in May
21:44:41 cfoote HI jacob :)
21:44:41 Durff hi Jakob!
21:44:43 dgoodman_1958 hi jacob
21:44:43 mvank Hi Jakob
21:44:51 courosa maybe handing over control, distributing decision making in schools
21:44:58 megormi hi jacob!
21:45:10 mmkrill @karen www.edweek.org/dd/articles/2008/01/23/3leadership.h01.html
21:45:13 PeggyG IT folks and curriculum folks need to be on the same planning team
21:45:19 cfoote Have any of you read the book Starfish and the Spider?
21:45:25 cfoote It's about distributed leadership...
21:45:34 janicestearns Yes, great book @cfoote
21:45:38 cfoote Joyce Valenza recommended it last summer at Necc
21:45:38 joycevalenza Chris, what do preservice administrator programs look like these days?
21:45:42 nzchrissy I am so lucky here in NZ - I ask my principal and he unblocks
21:45:44 matt montagne @jacob - hello from Milwaukee, WI
21:45:44 gatzke @courosa That is a great idea but it is not happening
21:45:47 sharonp @cfoote - need to put it on my list
21:45:48 janicestearns It's on our book list as a district staff.
21:45:49 KarenJanowski @mmkrill - thanks i'll read it
21:45:59 janicestearns Goes with Results now very well
21:46:02 chrislehmann joyce -- I was really lucky to study under Tom Sobol... so I think mine was quite unique.
21:46:12 Durff chrissy - you're just intimidating
21:46:13 courosa @cfoote I've read it, one I recommend to many students, covers a lot of these issues, and in the greater context of knowledge and power.
21:46:19 nzchrissy Each school in NZ has control of it's own network
21:46:21 joycevalenza wish we all had such experiences!
21:46:27 matt montagne I couldn't believe reading a teacher's blog this week about skype being blockeed...that floored me
21:46:28 jeffmason turning teachers loose to the use the tools as they see fit
21:46:36 Pat we call it "lucky" when professional educators can use great new tools that they find
21:46:41 mmkrill Interesting - this is a tech director twit I just saw http://pghbloggers.org/note/166324
21:46:58 courosa hi leah and laurie, good to see you here
21:47:00 Durff would be a dream
21:47:07 jeffmason ustream is blocked
21:47:09 gatzke Hi Alec
21:47:13 lindanitsche @matt Skype blocked at my school
21:47:17 judi epcke Some posted in twitter today that twitter is blocked in his school because the network guys think it is a 'dating site'.
21:47:19 sendkathy ustream blocked for us too
21:47:19 matt montagne let people have access...let them make mistakes...what if we Edison was told he couldn't make mistakes.
21:47:20 jeffmason googledocs is blocked
21:47:23 rrfournier Hello Alec
21:47:34 lindanitsche Twitter is blocked at my school too
21:47:36 courosa oh, his roseanne, didn't see you there.
21:47:39 mmkrill I"m feeling lucky:)
21:47:47 KarenJanowski @jeffmason - what's the rationale for that?
21:47:50 judi epcke @jeff why? what's the reason googledocs is blcoked
21:47:57 Ann-NJTechTeacher I'm lucky really nothing blocked - but it's a private school
21:48:00 nzchrissy Some things that use a different port are blocked for us - like ustream. Our ISP provider worries about security compromises
21:48:16 jeffmason students may communicate with each other?
21:48:18 KarenJanowski teachers needs to tell students about googledocs - great for collaborative projects that they assign
21:48:18 courosa great to see a few eci831 students here, WoW should be a regular part of your PD diet.
21:48:21 cheryloakes vacation Twitter and Ning come across our filter as social network, so we have to allow them individually.
21:48:43 bsch1964 Our schools use u stream for teaching purposes
21:48:45 matt montagne chris' point about school wide standardization is excllent
21:48:47 nzchrissy Elluminate is also blocked, but most web2.0 tools like voicethread, skype etc are not blocked
21:48:55 cheryloakes vacation Thanks to Alec for adding WOw2 as a resource for eci831. I have been commenting on some of your blogs!
21:49:04 sendkathy Yes, and he is helping the teachers use the best tools for the purpose
21:49:07 Durff Elluminate is blocked?
21:49:11 PeggyG teachers get very frustrated when the tools they are being encouraged to use are blocked in their districts/schools
21:49:14 Durff that floors me
21:49:15 megormi that is the key, what do you want to do? Then match the tool!!
21:49:17 courosa Thanks Cheryl ... so very much appreciated!
21:49:23 nzchrissy yes durff - not sure why
21:49:28 cfoote focus on the learning not the tools
21:49:30 cheryloakes vacation You bet Alec
21:49:41 Durff but who could afford it anyway?
21:49:41 matt montagne schoolwide standardization will become important when the small pockets start to expand.
21:49:44 PeggyG Sometimes the blocks are related to bandwidth and not content
21:49:49 janicestearns How much time do your teachers get to collaborate and share together?
21:49:54 megormi It is all about teaching and learning, I agree these are tools!
21:50:03 bsch1964 none
21:50:07 Ann-NJTechTeacher "powerful and relevant learning" that's the idea to pass on to admin
21:50:12 nzchrissy yes bandwidth here in NZ is not as good as what the rest of the world experiences
21:50:22 mkm420fritz jonassen - mindtools - excellent book
21:50:27 nzchrissy we are a wee bit behind on that matter
21:50:32 khokanson heck I com in over skype and bug ya :P
21:50:40 KarenJanowski but please remember that read/write web tools are excellent for differentiated instruction and universal design for learning.
21:50:42 lindanitsche Powerful and relevant - that would not be a description of the current test craze
21:50:43 bsch1964 spend their off time doing it?
21:50:47 cheryloakes vacation nzchrissy, but you have a pwoerful voice in the blogosphere!
21:50:48 sharonp JOnassen's Mindtools is one of my most favourite books - had HUGE influence on my thinking
21:50:52 mrbest honestly, we have a bunch of people on the staff that know various things. I can go to any of half a dozen people to get ideas
21:50:53 Ann-NJTechTeacher @nzchrissy better than dial up speed?
21:50:56 nzchrissy not bugging at all Khok!! :)
21:50:57 mvank I stop by his office probably about 3-10 times a day
21:51:01 sharonp just ordered Jonassen's latest yesterday
21:51:02 KarenJanowski our struggling learners greatly benefit from these tools - we have to advocate for our kids
21:51:12 mrbest Chase, Hull, Lehmann, VK, everyone's got something to offer
21:51:12 MariaK It's not about being the best teacher it's about being the best for the kids!
21:51:16 nzchrissy yes Ann better than dialup
21:51:26 mkm420fritz @sharonp he rewrote the book and it's very interesting
21:51:30 khokanson the BEST thing about SLA is that it is like WORKING with your TWITTER FEED
21:51:33 cheryloakes vacation reminder to all, the podcast and chat will be available later in the week. Thanks to MariaK for streaming her 2nd show this evening!
21:51:39 PeggyG that's such an important point about competitiveness vs sharing culture
21:51:42 rrfournier I work in modified programming and Web 2.0 tools have been great for students who are struggling
21:51:43 Durff yes Maria! You got the cab on that one
21:51:46 judi epcke SLA = birds of a feather
21:51:48 lindanitsche What a supportive and caring place to work
21:51:49 khokanson sharing and collaborating is what they DO there
21:51:50 Ann-NJTechTeacher When I traveled to Ireland cousins were all on dial up in the country
21:51:50 cheryloakes vacation Thanks to all in the chat room for making this evening so robust!
21:51:52 gatzke @Maria that's important and educators have to get over that and move to build cultures of sharing.
21:51:54 MariaK @durff - oh my
21:52:06 matt montagne culture of sharing is good model for students to see as well
21:52:14 gatzke absolutely
21:52:22 matt montagne govt has given us NCLB
21:52:24 sharonp Meaningful Learning with TEchnology?? is that the title t which you were referring mkm420fritz??
21:52:30 matt montagne NOOOOOO govt!!!
21:52:39 mrbest @matt: it's huge for us (at SLA). The kids know that we all hang out a bunch outside of school, and it really helps
21:52:44 Durff I think they are stalling
21:52:52 mkm420fritz @sharonp i have to go look... he changed the title w/ the updated version
21:52:59 chrislehmann The faculty at SLA is very friendly. :)
21:53:10 MariaK @matt :p
21:53:14 Durff the kids too chris
21:53:19 Ann-NJTechTeacher A friendly faculty makes a big difference
21:53:29 matt montagne @mrbest...that is awesome! Our kids need to see the world as a collaborative world...not a world of competition
21:53:42 gatzke agreed
21:53:43 Durff someone ignored you? oi veh!!
21:53:47 courosa Hi Donna. Looks like good representation from Saskatchewan tonight.
21:53:52 cheryloakes vacation collaboration, conversations, collaboration
21:53:59 sharonp Go Saskatchewan! WOOT
21:54:03 cheryloakes vacation Yeah Canada
21:54:12 gatzke We are curling in Sask this week.
21:54:18 MariaK let's build collaboration in classrooms early on - elliminate competition
21:54:27 Diane Hammond Provinces have autonomy over education in Canada. We have standardized testing in Ontario Chris. Better pick another province :-)
21:54:28 sharonp not your hair, I hope, gatzke
21:54:31 donnadesroches Hi Alec - yeah Saskatchewan!
21:54:33 matt montagne growth oriented accountability...I like that
21:54:36 Pat @gatske -- yea curling!
21:54:41 chrislehmann Rats. I love Toronto. :)
21:54:43 gatzke It's a great game played on ice
21:54:55 PeggyG Yes! the tools and the collaboration can help teachers to become better at what they do--great focus
21:55:03 sharonp Toronto is the city that the rest of Canada loves to hate.... (sorry Diane)
21:55:14 rrfournier I love Toronto!
21:55:16 MariaK We're making maple syrup this weekend at my house in NH
21:55:27 sharonp mmmm maple syrup
21:55:33 cheryloakes vacation Maria, I will bring the waffles, homemade
21:55:34 KarenJanowski @mariak - can you send some my way!
21:55:36 Durff i love real maple syrup
21:55:38 Ann-NJTechTeacher @MariaK Is it a huge process?
21:55:40 Sarah S @mariak - aren't you early ? enough freeze/thaw for that?
21:55:46 Diane Hammond The government of the day used testing to beat up on the teachers.
21:55:46 gatzke @Maria I thought maple syrup was a Canadian thing.
21:55:56 nzchrissy we don't have maple syrup here - sounds nice
21:56:00 MariaK we'll be blogging about it in march from my kindergarten
21:56:15 Durff chrissy it is wonderful
21:56:20 Diane Hammond We have one national curriculum in Canada - Science
21:56:26 Ann-NJTechTeacher @MariaK - Then I'll learn all about it! :)
21:56:31 nzchrissy I guess it would be like our golden syrup??
21:56:38 Durff better
21:56:43 khokanson SO TRUE
21:56:53 gatzke Maple syrup is better than golden
21:56:54 courosa I remember FOIL from math ... and that's about it.
21:56:56 matt montagne bismarck?
21:56:56 Durff golden syrup is like our karo
21:57:03 Durff or even king's
21:57:03 courosa oh, and BEDMAS
21:57:05 Diane Hammond Some of it needed to be forgotten because it's changed!
21:57:07 mkm420fritz @sharonp modeling w/ technology: mindtools fro conceptual change
21:57:13 nzchrissy what is karo?
21:57:17 courosa haven't used FOIL once in my real life.
21:57:20 cheryloakes vacation I sure have forgotten 90% of what I learned in school, but the skills and tools and social networks are the building blocks.
21:57:22 Ann-NJTechTeacher @courosa FOIL and BEDMAS - it's a start
21:57:26 Durff like golden syrup
21:57:28 nzchrissy what is FOIL
21:57:31 janicestearns I liked Chris's post yesterday about not having to enteratain, but to engage.
21:57:43 mmiller alyson is loving the smiley faces right now:?
21:57:51 gatzke Engagement is key
21:57:54 MariaK this is our first run yesterday and today - boil on saturday - have to work until then
21:57:56 courosa I was an English teacher ... once. I miss those days.
21:58:01 Durff FOIL is an acronym
21:58:10 nzchrissy for?
21:58:12 Ann-NJTechTeacher Multiply first, outside, inside, last (2x + 3)(3x - 2)
21:58:13 megormi agreed engagement, energy, not factoids!
21:58:15 PeggyG Wes Fryer has some excellent podcasts/blogs on engagement
21:58:16 Durff alec?
21:58:17 cheryloakes vacation HI @lyson :-)
21:58:24 Diane Hammond The advice that we are consistently getting from the mentors who work with the students in our projects is "find your passion and follow it!"
21:58:25 KarenJanowski always admired HS English teachers - they are brilliant in my experience!
21:58:26 khokanson they are going to remember the care of learning....
21:58:43 khokanson and that learning is a life skill
21:58:46 courosa First Outer Inner Last
21:58:46 cfoote great point, Chris.
21:58:56 nzchrissy ah thanks Alec
21:58:57 Durff thank you sir
21:59:03 courosa yes, njteacher!
21:59:15 lindanitsche I've been talking about the lack of passion and engagement at my school- too much testing going on
21:59:33 khokanson oh linda... we need to TALK :)
21:59:39 megormi yes, testing is killing engagement, we need a shift!
21:59:45 nzchrissy our curriculum is so broad - no exams to teach to until Year 11
21:59:48 gatzke testing and assessment, accountability is the talk of the day.
21:59:59 KarenJanowski we can still ask our students what is your passion
22:00:00 khokanson @megormi the problem isn't the testing ...
22:00:02 matt montagne fyi-heavy breathing
22:00:13 cheryloakes vacation darth vadar
22:00:17 nzchrissy darth is in the hourse
22:00:17 judi epcke darth vader
22:00:19 sendkathy sorry, think it was me :)
22:00:21 lindanitsche We need to learn to trust that passion and engagement with quaility instruction will be successful
22:00:22 megormi khokanson expand on that
22:00:29 Diane Hammond High quality performance-based testing has the potential to be engaging and motivating.
22:00:32 cfoote lol...chris
22:00:42 cfoote maybe we should just sing all our lessons ;)
22:00:44 lindanitsche We don't need to prove that they are learning with a test three times a week
22:00:46 Ann-NJTechTeacher It's easy to blame it on testing but that's not the whole reason
22:00:48 megormi LOVE school house rock 71-178!
22:01:01 courosa I remember how make a rocket launch in text using Apple Basic.
22:01:07 janicestearns Agreed ann-jn
22:01:11 khokanson grr can't cut & paste
22:01:25 Ann-NJTechTeacher Oh Apple Basic - there's a fond memory - my first language
22:01:27 megormi schoolhouse rock sorry 1971-1978! all now on You Tube
22:01:28 cfoote Chris had a post about the schedule and how that should reflect your philosophy.
22:01:32 cfoote of school.
22:01:35 courosa Time has been listed in EVERY Master's thesis I've ever read ... always time. Yet, never a solution for time.
22:01:40 gatzke Great question, time is an issue.
22:01:45 bsch1964 I can not either
22:01:53 Ann-NJTechTeacher I have School House Rock on DVD - love them all
22:01:56 KarenJanowski @cfoote - yes research shows music/singing helps form neural pathways for long-term memory - not
22:02:05 KarenJanowski sorry, remove the not
22:02:06 Diane Hammond We can also use our time better.
22:02:08 PeggyG singing is so important to learning--my mom has alzheimer's and about all she remembers now are the songs she sang throughout her life--remembers ALL the words and tunes :-)
22:02:37 courosa Awwww
22:02:42 lindanitsche @PeggyG:D
22:02:46 sendkathy Sorry to hear that about your mom, very tough times
22:02:46 courosa .. that's terrific Peggy.
22:02:49 janicestearns Asynchronous is essential in 21st century
22:03:12 Durff only 20 billion neurons that starve for the arts
22:03:30 matt montagne teachers need to get more comfortable w/asynchronous learning model
22:03:36 KarenJanowski Time is essential - maybe we need to identify where we are wasting it
22:03:39 Ann-NJTechTeacher Good nighta all
22:03:45 cfoote Good point, KarenJan
22:03:46 Diane Hammond If we built more learning time into time tables than teaching time, we'd be moving in the right direction.
22:03:59 Durff matt i am aychronous - drives the kids batty
22:04:02 gatzke I agree Diane
22:04:21 kristinhok hmm frozen firefox
22:04:26 matt montagne Durff...you are asyncronous learning machine!
22:04:27 Durff ouch
22:04:46 Durff if i would just learn something
22:05:00 cfoote lol
22:05:04 cheryloakes vacation Great show, Great chats! look for the podcast and chats later.
22:05:11 PeggyG that is such a great perspective about coming prepared for learning teams
22:05:31 matt montagne this was a great show
22:05:33 Durff can we have another hour?
22:05:33 KarenJanowski every meeting has to have an agenda and stick to it
22:05:42 PeggyG I'm sure the teachers value that productive time!
22:05:44 matt montagne I agree...guests are outstanding.
22:05:49 KarenJanowski meetings are great time wasters, or can be
22:05:49 jeffmason Teacher like being treated like professionals. High expectations.
22:06:10 megormi yes, high expectations are key!
22:06:18 Durff i try to get out of all the mtgs i can
22:06:19 kristinhok ok so here is my elaboration to understand teaching & learning you need to understnd how to assess whether students have actually learned what you set out to teache
22:06:21 courosa The problem I see is that we are always adding to what teachers do, but we never take away anything.
22:06:24 judi epcke teachers need to be facilitators
22:06:40 jeffmason @courosa amen
22:06:41 kristinhok Assessment comes after a long list of things, none of which should be preparation for assessment and true assessment goes beyond rote memorization and single performance because that is how true learning is demonstrated
22:06:48 nzchrissy @courosa same problem in NZ - always adding to curriculum never taking anything out
22:06:53 gatzke You are right Alec
22:06:59 judi epcke rather than standing in front of the room and talking
22:07:12 sendkathy hello all, we are nearing the outro
22:07:12 cfoote Hm, would be great for the two of you to do a workshop just on this.
22:07:17 Durff but kristin, assessment is continous
22:07:21 cfoote on the notion of meetings/time use for principals.
22:07:24 gatzke We also do a good job of preparing curriculum documents but not giving the support needed to implement.
22:07:25 Durff not an end product
22:07:29 courosa yea I think it's both a curriculum issue and a teacher workload issue ... more seems to be better, but the focus is all wrong.
22:07:35 Diane Hammond Assessment needs to come first. Plan the assessment and then plan the learning that must occur to get there.
22:07:37 cheryloakes vacation Great show, see you all next week
22:07:41 sendkathy We started a little (alot) late so 5 more minutes of the fabulous discussion
22:07:50 nzchrissy yes Diane, that is the way
22:07:56 kristinhok yikes no WONDER firefox crashed 29 tabs :)
22:07:56 joycevalenza must run, sorry, thank you all!!!!
22:07:57 Durff yes dianne
22:08:02 jeffmason @courosa when I'm asked to do one more thing I ask back what is it that I'm doing now that you would like me to set aside?
22:08:05 sendkathy 29 tabs!
22:08:06 matt montagne SLA sounds like they've got the google R & D thing going on...I'm jealous
22:08:07 KarenJanowski love the third space concept
22:08:08 sendkathy Sounds like a record
22:08:09 megormi @kristinhok Agreed, we should know exactly where learners are, not on high stakes test
22:08:13 Durff before, during, after
22:08:15 PeggyG @Diane--the heart of Backwards Design-Understanding by Design :-) Yeah!
22:08:15 courosa I'd throw away curriculum if I could, start with something more basic: numeracy, literacy, critical and creative thinking, ... start there and then be flexible on curriculum.
22:08:23 matt montagne staff parking LOL
22:08:24 sendkathy Was one of the tabs IE? maybe thats what did it lol
22:08:26 mrbest I wish we had a parking lot
22:08:32 Diane Hammond @peggy YES!
22:08:43 janicestearns Must plan for tomorrow's Google Earth workshop tomorrow. Always by the seat of my pants. Gotta go. Thanks for the great conversation. I've missed it.
22:08:49 courosa great response jeff, we have to say no.
22:09:12 Sarah S @courosa Great idea on the non-curriculum option
22:09:13 lindanitsche Even if we do know where learners are, we are being required to administer tests like Dibels for district purposes
22:09:35 KarenJanowski @lnitsche - what do you think of Dibels?
22:10:02 lindanitsche @KarenJ Don't think much of it
22:10:04 courosa both incredible blogers!
22:10:04 jeffmason @courosa I just learned that word this year
22:10:13 courosa add another g in there.
22:10:20 Diane Hammond Inspiring blogs both of them!
22:10:23 mvank Love it
22:10:27 chrislehmann Thank you! :)
22:10:27 megormi @kristinhok Question, are we usig the Dibels data, or just collecting it? Just a question...
22:10:27 PeggyG Great question Sharon
22:10:30 mmiller is dibels how you collect data to show where students are? How do you know where students are as learners? Prof. judgement?
22:10:42 lindanitsche It is being used for purposes it is not designed for
22:10:42 mvank Chris always talks about and follows through with transparency
22:10:51 mmiller I see
22:10:56 lindanitsche Running records
22:11:04 lindanitsche Literature discussion checklist
22:11:05 courosa Everyone of my students knows you blog Kelly, and all of my admin faculty, and many, many more. We need more admin bloggers.
22:11:09 KarenJanowski seems to be giving a great deal of credibility
22:11:13 cfoote lol..i always tell people who are worried about getting in trouble for their blogs, that probably no one in their school will really read it.
22:11:17 mmiller We use running records as well
22:11:20 cfoote I'm joking, but it seems too true.
22:11:34 Durff my principal's daughter told me he (principal) read my blog
22:11:40 Durff i think i died
22:11:50 mvank Schools need to be transparent if they're going to be sustainable because as soon as something occurs behind closed doors you're hiding the rationale whichtakes away the sustainability
22:11:54 cfoote lol, durff
22:11:57 kristinhok the best is when his KIDS quote his blogg
22:12:06 Durff yup
22:12:38 kristinhok use twitter to grip :)
22:12:41 KarenJanowski now that i'm on the school committee, have to be more careful about what I blog about
22:12:44 kristinhok gripe
22:12:52 sendkathy Thank you all for being here tonight and being willing to wait for the crew to gather
22:13:00 Wendy Nite.
22:13:09 PeggyG @KarenJanowski--that must be a very challenging line to walk
22:13:14 Durff i know that feeling
22:13:16 lindanitsche Thank you it's been a great evening of conversation
22:13:25 megormi so glad I could drop in, thanks for your great work!
22:13:36 KarenJanowski @peggyG - very tough - I want to change everything, that's why I ran, but change is very slow
22:13:51 jeffmason blogs = conversation
22:13:54 PeggyG You're perfect for that job! Good luck!
22:13:59 sendkathy Chris back next week and Arthus
22:14:02 KarenJanowski THank you1
22:14:06 sendkathy student centered
22:14:09 Durff arthus?
22:14:14 Durff neat
22:14:21 KarenJanowski too me, it's always about the students first
22:14:23 Durff NH i thought
22:14:26 courosa but that's a good point, what happens if someone doesn't like your ideas from what they have read on your blog ... when you go for a job assignment. In some ways, it's a blessing, I many not want to work with people with radically different views. Hard to say.
22:14:30 lindanitsche Will Meg join us?
22:14:31 MariaK vermont
22:14:40 emapey @lindanitsche I am foollowing you in twitter
22:14:45 sendkathy We need people to get Sharon's daughter on with encouraging words
22:14:46 Durff ok i need to take a cab
22:14:54 MariaK to vermont
22:14:55 sendkathy twitter Meg or respond on her blog
22:14:58 PeggyG Thank you so much to Chris and Kelley--really valuable to hear your administrative insights--you are awesome administrators!
22:15:01 megormi another great MEG??
22:15:07 chrislehmann someone post her URL in the chatroom! :)
22:15:10 sendkathy Naturally
22:15:16 lindanitsche Will you resend the link to Meg;s blog?
22:15:25 KarenJanowski goodnight all!
22:15:31 jeffmason transparency (blogs) is a double-edge sword
22:15:36 kwhobbes Great job Chris. Thanks for sharing!
22:15:42 megormi send it again, Meg's need to stick together!
22:15:51 chrislehmann You too! Thrilled to share the chat with you, Kelly!
22:15:56 sendkathy Maria, you are so great!!! Thank a million
22:16:06 sendkathy Thank you Chris and Kelly wonderful
22:16:07 Diane Hammond Kelly and Chris - keep up the great work guys! Thanks for the conversation!
22:16:08 KarenJanowski twitter is transparent as well, blog yourself & Twitter - you will find all your twits which is scary
22:16:11 courosa Thanks all, that was wonderful, sorry I missed the first half.
22:16:19 PeggyG You always find the most interesting guests for your show! I never want to miss it! :-)
22:16:22 nzchrissy good night from your tomorrow here in NZ - great guest, go Maria with the streaming!!
22:16:30 donnadesroches Thanks Kelly and Chris - great show - lots of good info and ideas
22:16:31 nzchrissy guests I mean
22:16:33 jeffmason Thanks to all1
22:16:46 cfoote Thanks Chris and Kelly--gave me lots of ideas to share back at campus
22:16:48 PeggyG night all
22:16:49 cfoote inspiring!
22:16:50 KarenJanowski thank you Chris and kelly
22:16:54 cfoote Get well, Chris!
22:17:06 gatzke Thanks all!
22:17:11 chrislehmann thank you, Carulyn! My voice is shredded. :)
22:17:23 chrislehmann (ugh... Carolyn...)
22:17:24 cfoote sounds like it, Chris!
22:17:26 chrislehmann I can't type.
22:17:26 kwhobbes Do you have a cold or something?
22:17:26 Durff nite ye all!
22:17:31 cfoote no problem ;)
22:17:36 sharonp http://burnttoastinsidejokes.blogspot.com/
22:17:46 sharonp That is Meg's blog address
22:17:52 cfoote thanks sharon :)
22:18:06 [email protected] thanks
22:18:20 Diane Hammond Thanks WOW ladies - great show as usual!
22:18:23 matt montagne enjoyed the talk everyone
22:18:28 matt montagne have a good nite
22:18:58 kristinhok night all\
22:19:05 cfoote night Kristin!
22:19:08 cfoote night all!
22:21:11 sendkathy night!
22:21:16 sharonp Night all
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