Teachers Teaching Teachers #113 - Just-in-time, just-for-me reading - 07.16.08
Listen to a lively conversation about how to use Shelfari-- or how to get a similar site built -- to create a social networking site for students to share their book logs, reviews, and recommendations with each other.
Susan Ettenheim and Paul Allison (and Lee Baber in the chat room) welcomed:
- Amanda, the Community Manager at Shelfari
- Bill Fitzgerald, our open-source friend and web developer from Funny Monkey
- Wesley Fryer, who blogs and podcasts at Moving at the Speed of Creativity
Earlier this summer, Susan Ettenheim began to work with the folks at Shelfari to see about using their social reading site in her school. Wesley Fryer noticed her interest and detailed a quest he has to find or build a social networking site for young readers. He wrote that he
wants "Netflix functionality... the site should offer the following
- The website should be free for anyone to register for and use,
but minors should be required to obtain parental consent to comply with
COPPA and other relevant laws as described above.
- The site should permit users to RATE books they've read, from one to five stars, just like NetFlix.
site should let users write book reviews and recommendations that can
be public and/or sent directly to friends, just like NetFlix.
site should let users maintain lists of friends, and view what those
friends report they are currently reading, as well as their friends'
recommendations for books to read.
- The site should use AI technologies
(or whatever you call the technologies that can do this sort of thing)
to dynamically generate book recommendations for an individual based on
the books s/he has already rated in the system.
Bill Fitgerald responded with "A Blueprint for a Site for Young Readers":
Here's how I'd go about building that site using Drupal.
The main functional requirements:
These requirements are pulled and paraphrased from Wes' post; any that I have added are italicized.
- COPPA compliant -- no personal data collected from minors without the prior consent of an adult;
- Readers can rate books they have read;
- Readers can create lists of friends; these "friendships" can be one way, or reciprocal;
- Readers can write reviews on books; these reviews can be shared publicly, or privately between friends;
- The site should recommend books to readers based on their likes and dislikes of other books;
- Readers should be able to see what their friends are reading, and any reviews/recommendations of their friends;
- Readers should be able to keep a reading log on the site; this reading log should have the ability to be public or private;
- Readers should be able to form public and private groups/communities.
There are other features that will need attention, of course; for
example, a site like this will require a detail-rich user profile page,
and pages for recent recommendations, featured books, featured readers,
That's where our conversation began!
Chat Log (Read more below)
20:39:01 Sheilat: did i miss shelfari
20:39:06 SusanEttenheim: hi everyone
20:39:23 SusanEttenheim: hi sheilat - starting in about 20 min
20:39:28 SusanEttenheim: so glad you're here!
20:39:38 Sheilat: ok, I look forward to it, be right back
20:39:48 SusanEttenheim: great!
20:39:59 SusanEttenheim: hi etalbert hi teresa and hi chet
20:44:51 SusanEttenheim: hi amanda welcome!
20:45:02 SusanEttenheim: anyone there listening?
20:45:10 SusanEttenheim: yet?
20:45:13 SusanEttenheim: just testing
20:46:43 SusanEttenheim: hi again amanda
20:46:51 AmandaSchaufler: Hi!
20:47:07 SusanEttenheim: shall I call you or did you get your skype running?
20:47:26 AmandaSchaufler: I think you'll need to call me...I have everything but the microphone (alas!)
20:47:58 SusanEttenheim: no prob - call you in about 2 min
20:48:02 SusanEttenheim: and we'll test
20:48:06 AmandaSchaufler: sounds great!
20:49:04 PaulAllison: Wow... am I late?
20:49:35 SusanEttenheim: hi
20:49:43 SusanEttenheim: ;)
20:49:54 tag156: hello all
20:50:06 SusanEttenheim: hi tag156 welcome!
20:50:22 PaulAllison: Homework can be found here: http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ttt
20:50:50 PaulAllison: :D
20:50:57 PaulAllison: Hi Wesley
20:51:01 Wesley Fryer: howdy paul!
20:51:10 Wesley Fryer: i am updating my skype on this computer...
20:51:18 PaulAllison: Susan is getting us ready, I think.
20:51:22 SusanEttenheim: hi wes
20:51:32 SusanEttenheim: just getting amanda on the line
20:53:16 PaulAllison: Welcome all. Well start the live stream in a few minutes (or Susan will).
20:53:44 Wesley Fryer: ok, my skype is back up :-)
20:54:09 PaulAllison: To get a brief on tonight's webcast, take a look at the last half-dozen links in our Friend Feed room: http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ttt
20:54:25 PaulAllison: good timing Wesley
20:54:41 PaulAllison: Mine asked for an update today too.
20:55:24 lparisi: hello
20:55:28 PaulAllison: Hi lparisi check out links here: http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ttt
20:56:08 lparisi: Thank you Paul. Where will sound be tonight?
20:56:25 lparisi: audio or ustream?
20:57:02 PaulAllison: we will be audio in about 5
20:57:37 Sheilat: hello ya'll from Virginia
20:57:40 lparisi: ok...will have to refresh at that time...just put out a chat message so we know
21:00:24 Sheilat: just refreshed
21:00:37 lparisi: no stream yet?
21:01:03 SusanEttenheim: hi everyone - almost ready to start - just testing
21:01:13 SusanEttenheim: hi lisa - glad youre here
21:01:17 Sheilat: hello Susan
21:01:52 lparisi: Hi Susan...do you need help with streaming?
21:03:04 PaulAllison: Dealing with technical issues.
21:03:47 Sheilat: That's technology:D
21:03:50 lparisi: Do you need any help?
21:04:26 PaulAllison: We should be broadcasting...
21:04:27 amangold: Can anyone tell me how to get the audio streaming?...I'm running Vista
21:04:28 lparisi: Hey durff
21:04:35 PaulAllison: Can somebdy check on that?
21:04:47 mrsdurff: hey parisi
21:04:55 mrsdurff: audio of susan good
21:05:33 mrsdurff: @amangold - click on black icon under ETT A
21:05:39 lparisi: Can't seem to get the stream to work
21:05:45 SusanEttenheim: thanks durff can you hear everyone - can you hear paul?
21:05:54 mrsdurff: audio of paul and susan was good
21:05:57 SusanEttenheim: lisa edtechtalk A
21:06:25 lparisi: Ahh sound
21:06:35 lparisi: flock did not work but IE does
21:06:45 lparisi: Hearing Susan and Paul
21:06:51 lparisi: oops...just cut out
21:06:51 SusanEttenheim: good lisa
21:06:54 SusanEttenheim: thanks
21:07:43 lparisi: Can hear on and off
21:08:00 Sheilat: i hear crickets chirping
21:08:12 lparisi: My stream keeps shutting off
21:08:28 PKOSTELNIK: IS THIS TEACHERS TEACHING TEACHERS?
21:10:02 Sheilat: i hear you all
21:10:17 lparisi: I hear Wes
21:10:58 PaulAllison: We are experiencing technical difficulties.... and we'll be right back
21:11:15 PaulAllison: http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ttt
21:11:30 PKOSTELNIK: Is this the livewebcasts teachers teaching teachers?
21:11:40 PaulAllison: Please take a look at the links at the top of our Room: http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ttt
21:12:19 mrsdurff: no delay with susan
21:12:32 mrsdurff: until the others join her
21:12:57 SusanEttenheim: durff can you hear paul and wes and amanda?
21:13:05 Sheilat: are one of you outside? i hear crickets
21:13:56 SusanEttenheim: can you hear now?
21:14:11 SusanEttenheim: hi nancy!
21:14:43 SusanEttenheim: can you hear now?
21:15:10 mahlness: audio doesn't "stick" for me - about 30 sec
21:15:11 billfitzgerald: howdy, all
21:15:51 PKOSTELNIK: hello
21:16:29 Brunsell: hello
21:16:52 Lisa Parisi: I had to switch computers. Can you send out the ttt link again, please?
21:16:53 PKOSTELNIK: is this teachers teaching teachers?
21:17:01 Lisa Parisi: yes
21:17:10 kcaise: http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ttt
21:17:30 PKOSTELNIK: Am I supposed to click on that link
21:17:59 SusanEttenheim: can you hear everyone?
21:18:12 PKOSTELNIK: All I hear is welcome
21:18:31 etalbert: Stream keeps going!
21:18:44 SusanEttenheim: yikes can you hear now?
21:18:53 PKOSTELNIK: hear what?
21:19:38 SusanEttenheim: click on edtechtalk A plesase
21:19:43 SusanEttenheim: hopefully you can hear!
21:19:53 SusanEttenheim: can anyone hear?
21:20:03 etalbert: Itunes rebuffering.. maybe now... yes, i have it!
21:20:22 lee baber: hi Bill
21:20:31 etalbert: Go ahead wes, then .....?
21:20:32 mahlness: stream cuts out after 30 sec - aargh
21:20:39 Linda J: updating itunes so hopefully will be able to hear soon!
21:20:42 SusanEttenheim: etalbert can you hear both sides?
21:20:58 SusanEttenheim: there's definitely something buggy tonight
21:21:13 etalbert: I can hear a few words then ..?
21:21:30 SusanEttenheim: can you hear different people?
21:21:41 lee baber: Hello and welcome Wes
21:21:48 etalbert: Stream keeps rebuffering .. is it my machine
21:21:51 PKOSTELNIK: Am I supposed to hear something other than welcome?
21:21:55 Sheilat: it seems like when more than one is speaking it cuts out
21:22:02 Lisa Parisi: Is anyone else having trouble keeping the stream playing?
21:22:11 amangold: my stream lasts for about 20 secs and cuts out
21:22:14 etalbert: I have listend for the last couple of days and it has been ok.
21:22:18 Lisa Parisi: me too amangold
21:22:30 Lisa Parisi: This is my second computer and fourth browser try
21:22:39 brachsmith: not working here either
21:23:03 etalbert: Nothing for ages now...
21:23:06 PKOSTELNIK: You people are very helpful thanks
21:23:33 etalbert: one of those social ... last wrds
21:24:19 etalbert: I'll just do my mail and wait a while ...
21:24:22 amangold: won't stream at all now
21:24:42 etalbert: weve done some work ...??
21:24:47 amangold: back again
21:24:50 Lisa Parisi: Will catch the podcast later.
21:25:17 SusanEttenheim: ugh think it might be a little better now
21:25:17 Lisa Parisi: Oooo just came on by itself
21:25:23 susansil: Hello
21:25:27 Sheilat: me too
21:25:28 Lisa Parisi: Yes, Susan..thanks
21:25:47 SusanEttenheim: is it better now?
21:25:53 Sheilat: a little
21:25:55 Lisa Parisi: ok..please send out the link one more time...I had to log out before I got it
21:25:58 susansil: It works fine here
21:26:02 Lisa Parisi: oops just lost stream again
21:26:48 susansil: This box works fine but no streaming video
21:27:01 Lisa Parisi: My stream keeps shutting down.
21:27:15 SusanEttenheim: hi susan - no video just audio
21:27:21 susansil: Mine never went on. I have Vista. I hope that's not the probem
21:27:38 Lisa Parisi: I'm not on Vista right now
21:27:38 Sheilat: i don't have vista and still have problems
21:27:48 brachsmith: Had it for a second...or 10 and then lost it again
21:27:58 etalbert: Heard a little then nix, I'll stay just in case ..
21:27:59 amangold: my stream is slightly better buts keeps cutting out
21:28:05 nhill: in and out here
21:28:14 Lisa Parisi: Susan, stream not holding...
21:28:15 susansil: OK..I hear it on Windows Media Player
21:28:19 SusanEttenheim: there are definitely issues tonight
21:28:26 SusanEttenheim: hang on please
21:28:29 Sheilat: i can hear now with real player
21:28:37 brachsmith: I hear it with media player
21:28:38 lee baber: if you hit the stop button then the play arrow again it will work fine
21:28:39 Lisa Parisi: This happened to me once...it was an issue on the other end
21:28:47 brachsmith: BUT...cuts out after 10-20 seconds
21:28:53 SusanEttenheim: lisa any thoughts or suggestions?
21:29:03 susansil: mine cuts off too
21:29:04 etalbert: Shame, sounds interesting!
21:29:12 Lisa Parisi: LOL..check with Jeff...it was something he had to fix when it happened to me
21:29:31 SusanEttenheim: tnx yes just messaged him
21:29:47 SusanEttenheim: in the meantime, does anyone have comments/questions about shelfari.com?
21:29:55 etalbert: Ten words then buffering message.
21:30:14 Lisa Parisi: I didn't know that's what you were talking about...is it being used in a classroom? What age?
21:30:21 SusanEttenheim: ok let's try to also converse here :)
21:30:43 etalbert: Must be frustrating for you.
21:30:44 SusanEttenheim: we have amanda here from shelfari tonight!
21:30:50 SusanEttenheim: hi bob
21:30:53 Sheilat: hi amanda
21:30:57 susansil: I'm all "ears"
21:31:02 Lisa Parisi: Is Amanda the creator? I love Shelfari!
21:31:18 AmandaSchaufler: Not creator :)
21:31:19 PKOSTELNIK: wHAT'S sHELFARI?
21:31:26 nhill: I use Shelfari and my daughter has an account!! Love IT!!!
21:31:32 amangold: can you brief me on what shelfari is exactly?
21:31:35 BobCaro: ...waiting for the Ustream - is there streaming today?
21:31:39 Lisa Parisi: I have a link on my blog to my shelf
21:32:00 SusanEttenheim: can you all hear amanda talking now?
21:32:01 nhill: My daughter reads 4-5 novels a week...shelfari helps me
keep track...buy books or check out books that she has not read.
21:32:04 Lisa Parisi: Ahhh...I have sound on real player
21:32:18 Lisa Parisi: nhill, can you change your color? It's hard to read
21:32:34 Lisa Parisi: I hear her on real player
21:32:38 nhill: sure is this better?
21:32:47 Lisa Parisi: much, thanks. :)
21:32:50 SusanEttenheim: wes is around and we'll call him back when amanda is done
21:32:58 SusanEttenheim: and bill
21:32:58 Lisa Parisi: Old eyes.
21:33:21 lee baber: Welcome to Shelfari! Read, Share, Explore! -
Shelfari This social media site is focused on books. Members can build
virtual bookshelves, discover, rate and discuss books, and participate
in online groups.
21:33:38 AmandaSchaufler: Thanks Lee!
21:33:40 nhill: :)
21:34:02 susansil: Online groups! How cool. I was looking for a new
assignment for my graduate students and this might be perfect for the
21:34:23 SusanEttenheim: YEAH you can hear?
21:34:47 SusanEttenheim: I hope so!
21:35:08 Lisa Parisi: Coming in and out
21:35:30 nhill: mine too lisa...frustrating
21:36:30 amangold: in and out in and out
21:36:33 SusanEttenheim: can you hear amanda now?
21:36:40 PaulAllison: http://friendfeed.com/rooms/ttt check out links here.
21:36:43 SusanEttenheim: what questions/comments do you have for her?
21:36:45 Wesley Fryer: is anyone using goodreads or librarything?
21:36:53 SusanEttenheim: she is the community manager at shelfari
21:37:12 Wesley Fryer: besides the visual differences between shelfari and those, how is shelfari different?
21:37:27 Wesley Fryer: has anyone written an article to date comparing these sites?
21:38:24 lee baber: I am not aware of any
21:38:26 lee baber: Wes
21:38:35 lee baber: welcome Buddy
21:38:36 Wesley Fryer: yes Lee... hello btw! :-)
21:38:44 nhill: my daughter discusses books with others on shelfari
21:38:47 lee baber: :)
21:39:22 Lisa Parisi: How old is your daughter?
21:39:30 Wesley Fryer: should US teachers do anything special if they
want students to sign up for Shelfari? How does Shelfari comply with
21:39:43 nhill: she will be 11 in August
21:41:42 amangold: is Shelfari a site that all ages are actively using or more younger learners?
21:42:08 SusanEttenheim: as of now it's for over 13
21:42:37 SusanEttenheim: other questions? can you all hear amanda now?
21:42:43 Sheilat: yes
21:42:47 nhill: still cutting in and out
21:42:59 etalbert: friendfeed room is great idea!
21:43:00 Sheilat: yikes, she's breaking up
21:43:04 SusanEttenheim: yes not sure what's up tonight
21:43:04 amangold: in and out
21:43:31 billfitzgerald: ads not an issue in a Drupal site :)
21:43:33 SusanEttenheim: thanks for hanging in with us
21:43:49 SusanEttenheim: but can you get the pictures bill?
21:43:52 lee baber: yes, I only hear 1/4th of whats being said and the
conf. call is not holding more than a few people at one time..all of
which are out of the ordinary for us
21:44:22 SusanEttenheim: yes - strange night lee
21:45:03 Lisa Parisi: This is the stuff that usually happens to me. LOL
21:45:34 Wesley Fryer: can school groups be made public if the teacher wants?
21:45:53 AmandaSchaufler: Absolutely--the private or public function is completely up to the teacher
21:45:59 Wesley Fryer: cool
21:46:25 susansil: I just created a group for my graduate students this fall. Now I need to choose a book.
21:46:36 etalbert: shelfari categorised socialnetwrk and in our(NSW) filter and will be blocked.
21:46:37 SusanEttenheim: nancy - are you there?
21:46:57 SusanEttenheim: who else ? questions? please jump in and introduce yourself!
21:47:34 Lisa Parisi: I think I'm going to head out and wait for the
podcast. It sounds like a great discussion and I want to hear it all.
21:47:50 SusanEttenheim: susan - we're actually going to use groups in
a slightly different way- as a group discussing multiple books
21:47:56 susansil: I just heard about shelfari tonight and haven't had
a chance to spend time but I have a feeling it can be used for online
21:48:08 SusanEttenheim: lisa any questions?
21:48:14 susansil: Multiple books...very interesting
21:48:19 SusanEttenheim: for amanda or bill or wes?
21:48:43 billfitzgerald: laconica
21:48:46 AmandaSchaufler: susansil--a lot of book clubs (virtual and physical) find it really useful
21:49:15 Wesley Fryer: is this the open source twitter that Bill is talking about?
21:49:16 AmandaSchaufler: you can create a group shelf to keep track of books you're reading and books you've read
21:49:25 susansil: I can't wait to spend time and figure out how to
integrate it into my online graduate course. The course is Language
Arts and Technology.
21:49:46 SusanEttenheim: where is the class susansil?
21:49:55 Wesley Fryer: so this raises the "walled garden" conversation
21:50:06 susansil: NYIT..New York Institute of Technology
21:50:07 SusanEttenheim: exactly wes
21:50:15 Wesley Fryer: i'll be glad to speak to that a minute
21:50:33 PaulAllison: Go next, please Wes.
21:50:34 SusanEttenheim: wow susan - can you email me? [email protected]
21:50:36 Wesley Fryer: ok
21:50:46 SusanEttenheim: yes wes
21:50:58 susansil: How funny....it's a UFT course this fall. I'll email you.
21:51:10 SusanEttenheim: great
21:51:29 PKOSTELNIK: Where can I get the podcast of this
21:51:49 billfitzgerald: re walled garden -- you can have both
21:51:57 billfitzgerald: not an either/or
21:52:01 SusanEttenheim: the podcast will be both at edtechtalk.com and teachersteachingteachers.org
21:52:28 SusanEttenheim: and I think that's true at shelfari.com, amanda?
21:53:23 AmandaSchaufler: the walled garden? sorry, I was listening :)
21:53:42 Wesley Fryer: hi Mark!
21:53:55 SusanEttenheim: no prob - I'm going to ask in the conversation in a sec
21:54:01 mahlness: hi wes, just lost audio :(
21:54:18 Wesley Fryer: @PKOSTELNIK you can get this at
21:54:56 Wesley Fryer: so this is a great idea for a service that
educational service units / educational service centers can provide
21:55:31 Wesley Fryer: i think there is powerful potential for larger
organizations endorsing and "blessing" communities like these too..
21:55:47 Wesley Fryer: Bill, can you talk about the moderation options that could be available in a Drupal solution like this?
21:56:32 billfitzgerald: wes-- in a sec -- they are very granular, esp if you use the wokflow module
21:56:44 billfitzgerald: workflow module
21:57:13 Wesley Fryer: bill - i definitely want to chat with you about
this afterwards, maybe tomorrow afternoon sometime or friday... we are
looking for drupal development support with another project
21:57:22 billfitzgerald: http://drupal.org/project/workflow
21:57:31 billfitzgerald: sure --
21:57:37 billfitzgerald: be glad to
21:57:51 SusanEttenheim: bill what is the deal with the pictures of the books- could that be in a drupal ?
21:58:02 billfitzgerald: yes
21:58:29 Wesley Fryer: a drupal site could include other ebooks too that are not published traditionally
21:58:34 SusanEttenheim: how would that work - on the shelves?
21:58:36 Wesley Fryer: Kidpub, FanFiction, etc
21:58:53 billfitzgerald: @wesley -- yes
21:59:31 billfitzgerald: Within Drupal, we could set up a search of project gutenberg/google scholar
21:59:39 Wesley Fryer: I think it is wonderful to have discussions like
this where we compare commercial versions of ideas, and open source
versions. it challenges us to think critically about how the commercial
versions differentiate from what is available openly...
22:00:12 billfitzgerald: @susan -- re pictures -- yes -- either from data entry, or by pulling images from external sites
22:00:20 PaulAllison: Isn't what Susan just said about groups what Drupal is all about?
22:00:25 billfitzgerald: yes
22:00:26 Wesley Fryer: is there a common standard so sites like
shelfari, librarything, and goodreads could "talk" to each other, or a
user could "get their data out?" I have not decided which site I want
to "invest" in...
22:00:40 PaulAllison: BookGlutton!
22:00:58 billfitzgerald: it would be awesome to see one of these sites embrace rdf
22:01:02 Wesley Fryer: i have a good friend on goodreads, and another
in librarything... so if I choose one i'll leave the other out at this
22:01:18 billfitzgerald: but it would probably wreak havoc with the business model
22:01:26 Wesley Fryer: yes
22:02:09 billfitzgerald: if one of these sites embraced rdf, they could
have the best of both worlds -- their community, and interoperability
with outside sites
22:02:21 Wesley Fryer: by general do you mean in comparison to FAcebook?
22:02:45 Wesley Fryer: is the question why an entire site should be
devoted to books, instead of just having a module within another social
networking site like Facebook?
22:02:51 PaulAllison: yes
22:02:58 Wesley Fryer: :-)
22:03:28 Wesley Fryer: sites being blocked in school districts is one
arguement for book specific sites (ie facebook is often blockedby
22:03:34 Wesley Fryer: shelfari could be left open
22:03:44 Wesley Fryer: school content filter blacklist/whitelist
22:03:53 SusanEttenheim: good question about rdf - I wonder if we need Amanda's tech person to address that?
22:04:04 lee baber: that would be good susan
22:04:50 PaulAllison: So... I'm thinking that schools need more general
social networks, then lead to a "book lovers" network... or a "art
22:04:52 AmandaSchaufler: I'll look into the rdf question wiht out team
22:05:12 AmandaSchaufler: with our team :)
22:05:23 SusanEttenheim: that would be great amanda - could we continue this conversation?
22:05:32 AmandaSchaufler: of course
22:05:33 SusanEttenheim: we have so many teachers interested in this
22:06:13 Wesley Fryer: so there needs to be a sourceforge project about
this idea, having this in drupal-- packaging this up as a project that
schools and educational organizations can grab it and do it
22:06:55 SusanEttenheim: and yet Voice Thread is doing very interesting
things for education - maybe Shelfari can follow that too
22:07:11 SusanEttenheim: or Shelfari could work with Drupal?
22:07:21 lee baber: yes bravo susan
22:07:27 Wesley Fryer: yes, there great opportunities for Shelfari to specifically cater to schools, educators and students
22:07:42 SusanEttenheim: I already feel loyal to Shelfari!
22:07:43 PaulAllison: Yes connecting is what we need to look for.
22:07:46 AmandaSchaufler: I could certainly look into that....we definitely can consider specific tools for schools and teachers
22:07:48 Wesley Fryer: as educators i'm thinking we should pursue a drupal sub-project with this focus
22:08:12 lee baber: good night all... must run..good to see you Wes and Bill
22:08:18 Wesley Fryer: bye lee!
22:08:26 SusanEttenheim: Amanda I love the idea of continuing this conversation with some tech people from your end
22:08:29 billfitzgerald: @lee -- bye!
22:08:35 lee baber: :)
22:08:52 billfitzgerald: there's lots of common ground here
22:09:01 AmandaSchaufler: there definitely is
22:09:20 Wesley Fryer: it would be ideal for a group like a state
library association to implement a tool and environment like this
22:09:51 billfitzgerald: AmandaSchaufler -- if you'd like to talk more,
feel free to contact me -- bill (at) funnymonkey (dot) com
22:10:14 AmandaSchaufler: Thanks Bill! I'm amanda (at) shelfari (dot) com
22:10:14 Wesley Fryer: here is the post bill commented on http://www.speedofcreativity.org/2008/07/12/dreaming-of-a-free-netflix-f...
22:10:14 billfitzgerald: @Wesley -- this would be an ideal use case
22:10:35 Wesley Fryer: I have some connections to the Oklahoma Library Association and would LOVE to talk with them about this
22:10:45 billfitzgerald: or, take it a step further -- the library sets up the core site, and then schools come in
22:10:57 billfitzgerald: schools have a pre-existing pool of data
22:11:06 billfitzgerald: and it fuels library use
22:11:21 Wesley Fryer: http://www.infinitethinking.org/2008/07/quest-for-netflix-plus-functiona...
22:11:31 Wesley Fryer: let's definitely make those connections susan!
22:11:54 Wesley Fryer: thanks for hanging with us, everyone!
22:12:09 Wesley Fryer: and thank YOU for working through the bugs tonight, Susan! :-)
22:12:11 billfitzgerald: http://funnymonkey.com/site-for-young-readers
22:12:23 billfitzgerald: Thanks, all -- a great conversation
22:12:24 Wesley Fryer: yes, thanks Jeff!
22:12:37 billfitzgerald: and Jeff Lebow is The Man (tm)
22:12:50 Wesley Fryer: bye!
22:13:12 AmandaSchaufler: Thanks! Bye :)
22:13:12 SusanEttenheim: thanks everyone! goodnight
22:13:29 PKOSTELNIK: Thanks
22:15:34 billfitzgerald: thanks, all -- bye!
22:42:15 kelseey: hello