Teachers Teaching Teachers #172 - Troy Hicks and The Digital Writing Workshop, Part 3 of 3 - Helping Students Craft Writing

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In this final episode of our three part series, our guest-host once again is Troy Hicks, author of The Digital Writing Workshop, and Director of the Chippewa River Writing Project at Central Michigan University. He continues an exploration of the principles and practices described in the book.

For this third episode, we welcomed three teachers to the conversation. They discuss how they teach students to craft their writing through conferring and response:

Melissa Pomerantz of Parkway North High School in St. Louis, Missouri, describes how she uses audio feedback to respond to students through virtual conferences.

Heather Lewis of Waverly Middle School in Lansing, Michigan, discusses how she guides students through the revision process with Google Docs.

Joe Belino, a teacher of English to Speakers of Other Languages at Montgomery County Public Schools in Gaithersburg, Maryland, talks about the ways in which his students offer response to one another through the use of Google Docs.

As this series concludes, we invite all listeners to continue the conversation by joining the Digital Writing Workshop Ning and follow us on Twitter.

Click Read more to see a transcript of a chat that was happening during the webcast.

20:40:24 Paul Allison: Hi all.
20:41:55 heatherlewis: Hello!  Just getting ready to make sure I know how to do this...
20:42:09 jgargaly: I have no idea how to do this.
20:43:36 Shawn: Hi, I'm lurking until 9 and surfing my open tabs until the appointed hour.
20:45:22 Shawn: wb
20:45:39 SusanEttenheim: Hi everyone welcome!
20:45:44 Shawn: Hi
20:56:50 SusanEttenheim: troy trying to call you....?
20:58:41 SusanEttenheim: can you all hear us?
20:58:48 Shawn: I can't.
20:58:59 SusanEttenheim: shawn click on edtechtalk A
20:59:02 Shawn: k
20:59:13 SusanEttenheim: does anyone else hear us?
20:59:18 SusanEttenheim: who needs help?
20:59:25 SusanEttenheim: we should be broadcasting now
20:59:30 Shawn: :-)
21:00:18 Scott Shelhart: ettA working for me...
21:00:19 SusanEttenheim: waiting for a little confirmation that you can hear us?
21:00:26 csitterley: Hi there everyone
21:00:28 SusanEttenheim: great scott thanks
21:00:36 csitterley: yep
21:00:36 SusanEttenheim: shawn can you hear now?
21:00:46 Shawn: I can.  Very clear audio.
21:01:15 Scott Shelhart: female voice is much softer than the rest
21:01:25 SusanEttenheim: thanks scott
21:01:41 SusanEttenheim: that's me it's the funniest little broadcasting thing
21:01:52 SusanEttenheim: the broadcaster always seems a little lower
21:02:16 Scott Shelhart: hmmm Ill have to think of a fix for that.
21:02:20 SusanEttenheim: welcome everyone - I'm susan and I teach at Eleanor Roosevelt HS in NYC - who are you and what and where do you teach?
21:02:51 SusanEttenheim: welcome davilla have you joined us before?
21:03:01 Davilla: No
21:03:12 SusanEttenheim: where are you and what do you teach? welcome!
21:03:15 Scott Shelhart: I'm a college student majoring in Elem. Ed. Also a mid-life career changer.
21:03:24 SusanEttenheim: and jgargaly - where and what do you teach??
21:03:24 Davilla: I live in Hawaii and teach 8th grade science.
21:03:41 Paul Allison: http://paulallison.tumblr.com/post/212478825/troy-hicks-and-the-digital-...
21:03:49 csitterley: I am Connie Sitterley and I recently retired as Director of Instructional Technology for PENNCREST Schools in NW PA.  Now am working with elementary classes to use tech tools in Literacy Collaborative classrooms
21:04:23 SusanEttenheim: welcome connie! nice to see you! regards to kyli! - did I spell that right?
21:04:31 Paul Allison: http://www.heinemann.com/products/E02674.aspx
21:04:35 SusanEttenheim: hi sara welcome! please introduce yourself!
21:04:45 csitterley: Yes-Kyli is married now, so Kyli Yerse is her name now
21:04:46 Scott Shelhart: @connie  Very interesting! I'd like to learn more.
21:05:02 Paul Allison: http://digitalwritingworkshop.ning.com/
21:05:08 csitterley: I am just beginning the process so will be a learning process for all
21:05:18 SusanEttenheim: welcome back jgargaly - where and what do you teach?
21:05:36 SusanEttenheim: great! pls send kyli my best!
21:05:51 SusanEttenheim: everyone - I met them at a wonderful presentation they made at Google!
21:06:09 SusanEttenheim: jgargaly - what's happening? are you ok there?
21:06:20 Melissa: Hi Sara--we met at NCTE in San Antonio--friends with Bill Bass
21:06:21 csitterley: Susan was very helpful to us with ideas about what to see in NYC
21:06:33 SusanEttenheim: haha come back and play some more!
21:06:48 SusanEttenheim: connie - have you seen troy's book?
21:07:01 SusanEttenheim: http://www.heinemann.com/products/E02674.aspx
21:07:13 csitterley: I just ordered it-I have read some good reviews and listened to the 1st of this series
21:07:31 SusanEttenheim: great!
21:08:07 SusanEttenheim: welcome joel where and what do you teach?
21:08:22 Joel Malley: ELA outside of Buffalo NY
21:08:56 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Hi Melissa!
21:08:59 SusanEttenheim: welcome joel!
21:09:52 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Hi Everyone! I'm doc student at MSU studying educational technologies...and president of the Troy Hicks fan club. :)
21:09:54 SusanEttenheim: demacisaac  did you get a chance to introduce yourself? where and what do you teach?
21:10:09 SusanEttenheim: hi sara!
21:10:16 heatherlewis: @Sara - Hi. I'll be a member!:)
21:10:18 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Hi Susan!
21:10:54 SusanEttenheim: hi jackie! welcome - please introduce yourself - where and what do you teach?
21:10:54 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: @Heather Good! Everyone is welcome...it's a great club to belong to!
21:11:09 demacisaac: hi Susan, I was here last week. I'm a grade two teacher in PEI. I enjoyed this session last week. So glad you offered this topic.
21:11:14 jackiegerstein: Hi all
21:11:18 SusanEttenheim: yes welcome back!!
21:11:32 SusanEttenheim: jackie - where and what do you teach?
21:11:46 jackiegerstein: Four colleges
21:11:59 SusanEttenheim: jackie... say more?
21:12:02 jackiegerstein: teacher education and educational technology
21:12:11 SusanEttenheim: welcome! what state?
21:12:41 Paul Allison: I have classes of 35 this year. Terrible! for a small school... and I'm lucky. Some teachers have 38-40.
21:13:47 Joel Malley: I'm sorry, what was she using to record comments on people's papers?
21:13:53 Joel Malley: pre PC
21:14:06 Joel Malley: "papers"
21:14:15 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Paul--that's criminal...local teachers in the UP were saying that early elementary was even growing..upwards towards 26-28 per class.
21:15:31 Joel Malley: thanks...
21:15:37 Shawn: Each kid has a "folder"?
21:15:58 SusanEttenheim: I think on the server shawn..
21:16:05 Shawn: Right.
21:16:16 Joel Malley: on a side note it'd be awesome if Google Docs had an "embed comment" feature...enabling someone to record a comment and put it in a footnote to give feedback
21:16:17 SusanEttenheim: I'm wondering what format it is in...
21:16:34 heatherlewis: @Joel Great idea!
21:16:34 SusanEttenheim: don't you think it's just about to happen joel...?
21:16:46 demacisaac: All of this "live" chat,,,wow,,will we eventually be paperless?
21:17:02 Joel Malley: hopefully...i'd take a shortcut keystroke for "insert footnote" until that time :)
21:17:09 SusanEttenheim: hi kara welcome! where and what do you teach?
21:17:15 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Hello Kara! Welcome!
21:17:21 KaraGraci: I'm
21:17:40 KaraGraci: *oops, dog** I'm up in Gwinn, Michigan, Special Education
21:18:00 SusanEttenheim: welcome!
21:18:04 demacisaac: Perhaps students comp "oral" better than "written" in general??
21:18:10 heatherlewis: Hi Kara...I'm in Lansing, MI
21:18:19 SusanEttenheim: everyone - please feel free to jump in with questions and comments
21:18:20 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: and Kara's a UPWP Teacher Consultant as of 2009! (the tech liaison!)
21:18:22 Troy Hicks: Hi Kara -- glad you could join in the conversation this week.
21:18:33 heatherlewis: YEAH!!! Kara
21:18:53 Joel Malley: I'm just interested in the presence of intonation in a recorded comment...I think my written comments sound much more pricky than if they were delivered orally
21:19:07 Joel Malley: in some cases
21:19:14 KaraGraci: Thanks!  Can't promise how long I'll stay, but glad to be here.
21:19:58 SusanEttenheim: stay as long as you like and then you can always comment on the post and recording at edtechtalk.com and teachersteachingteachers.org
21:20:03 heatherlewis: Interesting how we rely and are comfortable with writing...
21:20:06 Melissa: yes--folders on the server where the kids store their stuff
21:20:20 Shawn: Thanks. :-)
21:20:32 demacisaac: I'm glad you asked about conferencing because conferencing leaves teachers struggle with  time managenment. This method would result in more conferencing?
21:20:41 heatherlewis: I'd love to try this Melissa...Great idea!
21:21:16 demacisaac: What grade please?
21:21:33 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Neat idea! Voice thread!
21:21:39 SusanEttenheim: hi chris welcome! where and what do you teach?
21:21:50 Shawn: I was thinking same, a voicethread . . .
21:21:53 Melissa: 10th, 11th, 12th
21:22:05 Chris: Hi Susan. It's Christina from the NWP ... sorry to be late!
21:22:12 SusanEttenheim: welcome!
21:22:16 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Hi Christina!
21:22:27 SusanEttenheim: let me know if you'd like to skype in!
21:24:29 demacisaac: What grade does Melissa teach?
21:24:38 Melissa: 10th, 11th, 12th
21:25:17 demacisaac: thanks. Do you see this working with younger grades?
21:26:11 PeggyG: I have seen audio posts with blogs in BlackBoard--students love hearing their teacher's comments that way
21:26:42 Troy Hicks: Hi Chris
21:28:17 demacisaac: Is there an "eduvoicethread" option? Safe for schools?
21:29:10 csitterley: Yes there is ed voicethread-$10 for indiv teachres
21:29:34 csitterley: Ed Voicethread also available for districts-yearly
21:29:59 demacisaac: thanks
21:30:11 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Google docs is a WONDERFUL tool for helping students.  The sharing feature is extrememly helpful as a special education teacher.  Able to help students 24/7.
21:30:20 PeggyG: http://ed.voicethread.com/#home
21:30:28 Melissa: @Heather--just got this tweet--and someone else agrees--tech interests boys http://www.gettingboystoread.com/content/ideas-get-boys-writing
21:30:36 Troy Hicks: Hi Leigh!
21:30:45 KaraGraci: Looking forward to having it opened up for our students; many of whom don't have a computer at home (!), but have access to public computers.
21:30:54 csitterley: Voicethread public version can be made to be private as well-just some limits on number that can be produced
21:31:00 PeggyG: http://ed.voicethread.com/about/k12/
21:31:14 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Hello Leigh!
21:31:19 demacisaac: Does GD's help the boys self-edit or take more ownership of their work?
21:31:32 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: @Kara keep at it...talking about it over and over again will help!
21:31:47 Joel Malley: I agree...I cannot write coherent comments to save my life...much better workflow to type comments...I can reword to say exactly what I want to
21:31:56 demacisaac: Thanks csitterly good to know
21:32:11 csitterley: Our 7-12 students all have google accounts and they are helping teachers to see ways to collaborate-some are really grabbing it for conferencing options
21:32:44 SusanEttenheim: hi gravesle welcome! where and what do you teach?
21:32:50 SusanEttenheim: hi peggy!
21:33:04 PeggyG: Hi Susan :-)
21:33:45 gravesle: Hi Sara! Is there sound? (is is it my mac being silly?)
21:33:49 demacisaac: typing would create easier editing :-) I would think peer pressure would too. Do they collaborate in writing one piece?
21:34:01 SusanEttenheim: click on edtechtalk A for sound please
21:34:11 PeggyG: great student comment!! :-) they love having a wider audience to read their work!
21:34:24 SusanEttenheim: peggy I've enjoyed your photography links - thank you!
21:34:33 PeggyG: thanks :-)
21:34:35 SusanEttenheim: gravesle - click on edtechtalk A for sound
21:35:09 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: @leigh itunes should open when you do that
21:35:18 csitterley: New feature in google docs-folders can now be shared-might make sharing templates etc easier
21:35:35 gravesle: ah, got it now - sweet.
21:35:50 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: I like that idea--sharing with one email.
21:35:58 SusanEttenheim: great
21:36:05 Joel Malley: I manage...very poorly
21:36:37 demacisaac: Have to go,,,thanks for the chat, be back next week. Hopefully by the my book will have arrived.
21:37:01 Troy Hicks: Thanks for joining us!
21:37:48 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Sharing right away you also get the revision history...which is priceless!
21:38:43 csitterley: Our teachers start out with having the students add the teacher to the contacts list, so they don't need to remember
21:39:21 PeggyG: you should invite Matt Montage to come on a show to talk about how he set up google accounts for all of the students in his school :-)
21:39:43 csitterley: Implementation requires some planning and setup-but it is not difficult-some districts prefer to keep all in-house.
21:39:48 SusanEttenheim: peggy I run an apps with about 700 now
21:40:24 SusanEttenheim: haha troy that's what my husband says all the time!
21:40:46 PeggyG: https://sites.google.com/a/castilleja.org/google-transition/ This is Matt's site where he describes everything they did to transition the entire school go Google docs. Excellent information!
21:40:48 KaraGraci: Mailcatch is a great idea.  Would rather go a different route, but would sound more appealing to our tech dept.
21:41:03 SusanEttenheim: I actually avoided doing it for a long time thinking it would be hard but it has made life so much easier!
21:41:36 PeggyG: that's such an exciting story!! fireworks :-)
21:41:47 csitterley: Don't forget to bring up the cost savings of google apps for ed- it is free-that rings well with admins and boards
21:42:12 SusanEttenheim: our teachers save hours of work collaborating online now in Google Docs
21:42:17 Troy Hicks: It is free, yes...
21:42:34 SusanEttenheim: no more my homework won't download
21:42:48 Troy Hicks: ... are most districts beyond the whole worry about Google taking all their data and using it in bad ways?
21:43:06 PeggyG: definitely Susan! and they can't lose their homework either!
21:43:07 Troy Hicks: Interesting story about that on NPR a few weeks back
21:43:21 SusanEttenheim: what was it on troy?
21:43:25 SusanEttenheim: which show?
21:43:27 csitterley: Solved many issues we had with students who have other productivity software at home than at school-using google
21:43:30 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: @Troy--I'm not sure if they are--I think they are worried about confidentiality
21:43:55 KaraGraci: @Troy that's what I think our mindset is (in response to Melissa)
21:44:10 KaraGraci: and by our, I mean district, not mine
21:44:16 SusanEttenheim: haha in NYC lately they seem more worried about bake sales - all bake sales have been banished
21:44:27 PeggyG: @csitterly-thanks an excellent point about all of the different software/platforms!!
21:44:30 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: @Susan--I read that!  How absurd
21:44:33 gravesle: not sure if anyone broght this up yet - helps w/the privacy issue (sorry, came in late!) Creating Multiple Student Accounts From One Gmail Account  http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/668
21:44:56 SusanEttenheim: very true gravesle
21:44:59 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: @gravesle--yes, great way to do that
21:45:03 SusanEttenheim: hi kara welcome!
21:45:13 PeggyG: great link gravesle!! thanks for sharing it!
21:45:14 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: Joe is breaking up for me--
21:45:21 Shawn: Thanks for the link gravesle
21:45:42 heatherlewis: If you have multiple student accounts for one gmail account, can they each still have their own blog w/blogger?
21:45:44 Troy Hicks: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=113450803
21:46:12 SusanEttenheim: thank you!
21:46:20 Troy Hicks: You are welcome!
21:46:31 Troy Hicks: Very interesting take on the whole privacy issue with Google.
21:46:42 Troy Hicks: We really are just bits of data to Google.
21:47:01 gravesle: scattered all over the globe :)
21:47:34 SusanEttenheim: yes and I'm no longer lugging all those bits of data in my bag everyday!
21:48:13 csitterley: Emotional Support-middle level-teacher here uses google docs to keep the logs that are needed to communicate information with students, teachers, parents and para-professionals-everyone is kept informed with no lost journals
21:48:23 heatherlewis: What Joe is saying carries to NON ELL learners too...
21:48:32 PeggyG: I like google docs better than wikis for collaborating because many people can be editing at the same time--only one can edit on a wikispace
21:49:14 heatherlewis: I still have trouble seeing a WIKI as collaborative/generative...I see it more collaborative/houseing space...
21:49:15 KaraGraci: @cslitterly How do you prove to admin. that keeping that stuff online is safe...seems like that would be perfect for my current teaching position
21:49:17 PeggyG: great testimonial!! research improved :-)
21:49:21 Troy Hicks: Right, Heather. I think that this example of how powerful peer response can be, now in a digital environment.
21:49:53 KaraGraci: I know its safe, but as far as justifying it
21:50:05 csitterley: @KaraGraci Those docs are shared with specific people-can be shared with admins also where appropriate
21:50:07 SusanEttenheim: each of my digital photography students now has an ongoing google doc for the class - it's so great - anything that comes up, I just say add it to your doc
21:50:11 Troy Hicks: Right, I use wikis as kind of a "showcase" for writing
21:50:24 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: @Heather @Troy--I think sometimes having the kids focus on one thing--become experts on one part really helps--ex:  appositive guru
21:50:29 Troy Hicks: Google docs can be used for the more day to day work or writing and revision
21:50:53 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Google Forms is great for SE teachers to log and keep information.
21:50:54 heatherlewis: Troy, this year I'm having students move their Independent Reading Assignments to their Blog...
21:50:58 heatherlewis: We'll see how it goes.
21:51:16 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: @Sara--I love it for my dept chair responsibilities
21:51:17 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Embeded forms in wikis is a great way for SE teachers to have paraprofesisonals keep track of information all in one place.
21:51:27 Troy Hicks: @ Heather -- cool. Where did they house them before?
21:51:31 SusanEttenheim: we have a multipage google doc that every student in our entire school uses
21:51:37 heatherlewis: Portfolio....
21:51:39 Troy Hicks: What is your pedagogical purpose for moving them to blogs?
21:51:47 heatherlewis: Noone else read them.  Need to get their writing out there thisyear...
21:51:58 Troy Hicks: Right...
21:51:59 KaraGraci: @Sara I'm thinking goal data sheets
21:52:05 PeggyG: those are such awsesome points!!
21:52:09 heatherlewis: Troy, real world audience...peer interaction and comments...
21:52:11 SusanEttenheim: heather what are you using for blogs?
21:52:21 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: @Kara, definitely!
21:52:25 heatherlewis: Blogger...as it stays w/their googleapps
21:52:40 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: Has anyone done peer review with NINGs?
21:52:41 SusanEttenheim: ahh is blogger part of google apps?
21:52:42 Troy Hicks: @ Heather -- cool. Are students offering feedback to one another?
21:52:43 heatherlewis: I've used Edublogs before and it doesn't agree w/our tech stuff...
21:52:46 csitterley: Science teacher did peer edit/review in grade 8-his comment was that kids improved their own papers from the comments made to others- looked more critically at their own-he used a rubric with suggestions for comments
21:52:55 Troy Hicks: @ Melissa -- great question!
21:53:02 heatherlewis: Troy, first one is going up this week...I'll let ya know;)
21:53:15 SusanEttenheim: sounds very interesting
21:53:28 gravesle: oh! the grading issue was on #edchat last night! http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tyIf8pjCvKI6r_ayvPi8cHg&output=html (and a google spreadsheet to go w/the convo!)
21:53:37 PeggyG: @Melissa-Nings are a great place for students to comment on each others writing
21:53:43 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: @Troy--set class NINGs up this summer, haven't done anything with them yet
21:54:08 heatherlewis: Melissa...I set up a NING for a specific book and found that went ok...
21:54:14 csitterley: Any Moodle users out there?  Good ways to collaborate there also
21:54:21 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: I have students who graduated who have shared docs with me from college...
21:54:23 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: fun!
21:54:24 Paul Allison: I've been experimenting with editing students work... If you are logged in at Youth Voices, you can see some of this here: http://youthvoices.net/node/24532/revisions
21:54:48 heatherlewis: I love how I can see when students open up their old works as it appears in my docs:)
21:54:56 gravesle: drop.io has some good anonymous commenting/feedback features
21:55:15 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: @Heather--fun! 
21:55:21 gravesle: @sara - love it! isn't that a great feeling?
21:56:12 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: @leigh...it is so fun!  I have gotten texts from students--Hey, Ms. B--check docs, I made some changes...love it!
21:56:17 heatherlewis: In addition Troy, they meet our Tech Standards for the state...
21:56:43 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: :) @Heather...standards...let's not forget about the standards!
21:56:49 Troy Hicks: @ Heather -- right, they do. Interesting that so many teachers don't really know about the METS when we talk about them in workshops.
21:57:01 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: or the NETS
21:57:13 Troy Hicks: @ Sara -- I think that there is a place for standards, so long as teaching practice doesn't get standardized in the process.
21:57:28 heatherlewis: It's a great sell to the board;)
21:57:43 Troy Hicks: The METS and NETS do provide teachers with a framework for thinking about tech integration, right?
21:57:43 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: @Troy I agree!
21:57:51 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Absolutely.
21:58:09 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: But as you said...they aren't well known and need to be brought to light.
21:58:18 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: Thanks for all of the great ideas everyone!
21:58:23 Troy Hicks: Not just a laundry list... that's why I think that the deeper pedagogical issues that Melissa, Heather, Joe, you and all the other teachers featured in this series of webcasts are important to listen to.
21:58:38 KaraGraci: @ Sara agreed...I think if a teacher isn't tech. oriented, our students are missing out on key skills.
21:59:18 Paul Allison: opps.
21:59:20 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: TPACK
21:59:22 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: :)
21:59:33 PeggyG: almost made it to the end of the webcast before my browser crashed :-)
21:59:38 Paul Allison: http://www.heinemann.com/products/E02674.aspx
21:59:44 Paul Allison: http://digitalwritingworkshop.ning.com/
21:59:56 Troy Hicks: http://twitter.com/digwritwkshp
22:00:55 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: my kids are trying to say goodnight to me--that's where I am if I'm not right back
22:01:02 Troy Hicks: http://tpack.org/tpck/index.php?title=Main_Page
22:01:25 PeggyG: I love that google docs allow them to take their work with them when they move on to other grades, schools or even college
22:01:52 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: It's a nice alternative to a more expensive portfolio
22:01:54 SusanEttenheim: peggy how do you suggest doing it to take to college..
22:02:04 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: @PeggyG absolutely!  Docs builds their portfolio.
22:02:07 SusanEttenheim: do you "share" every doc with a new account?
22:02:07 Troy Hicks: @Peggy -- Right. They literally have ownership of their work, rather than leaving it on a school server.
22:02:11 PeggyG: I can't believe how many templates they have on google for education
22:02:30 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: @Peggy--what kinds of templates
22:02:31 gravesle: @peggy, i know isn't it wonderful?
22:02:39 SusanEttenheim: universities like Brown are now using Google Apps - I wish it could just transition with them somehow
22:02:44 heatherlewis: Peggy, I really need to look at those templates...I've glanced...but need time to discover
22:02:44 gravesle: @melissa - you name it, they have it!!!
22:02:55 SusanEttenheim: yes the templates are great
22:03:04 SusanEttenheim: and it's easy to make your own for your domain
22:04:09 Troy Hicks: http://docs.google.com/templates
22:04:17 SusanEttenheim: connie we have to get  your schools in for the school newspaper discussion!
22:04:23 gravesle: what is the link for nicenet? nicenet.org?
22:04:33 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Excellent points, Joe!
22:04:55 PeggyG: I was looking for that template link!! Thanks Troy!!
22:04:56 csitterley: OK Susan-2 schools now doing online newspapers-Stacey is still doing paper as well
22:05:32 Shawn: I need to duck out.  Thanks so much for the ideas and information! 
22:05:32 SusanEttenheim: ah I wish I could get get our school online..
22:05:39 SusanEttenheim: you have done a great job there!
22:05:46 PeggyG: http://www.google.com/educators/index.html  This is the home page for Google for Educators--tons of fantastic resources and ideas!!
22:05:50 Troy Hicks: Sharing folders in Google Docs info: http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=158074
22:06:14 csitterley: The online newspapers are a step by step process, but they are moving with them
22:06:41 gravesle: may have missed this too - can you subscribe to changes in a google doc like you can in google spreadsheets without having to publish it publically? (i love that i can get RSS notifications when a private spreadsheet changes, same functionality would be awesome w/doc)
22:06:49 PeggyG: such great ideas being shared tonight!! Thank you all!!!!
22:07:05 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: I think you can Leigh.
22:07:13 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: After a doc is published.
22:07:32 gravesle: @sara, yep..want to do it w/out publishing :(
22:07:41 gravesle: for in-process papers
22:07:48 SusanEttenheim: but you could just have the student email collaborators every time there is a change...
22:07:54 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: Thanks, Troy!
22:07:58 gravesle: thx
22:08:13 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: You're such a good salesperson!
22:08:18 heatherlewis: great plug troy
22:08:19 csitterley: The conversations tonight and in the other sessions are helpful as I plan with grade 5-6 teachers to feel free to use technology in some of the lessons of the Literacy Collaborative Classrooms
22:08:37 gravesle: @susan, that's what we're doing now...the auto feature would be so excellent (use it all the time w/a spreadsheet)
22:08:42 heatherlewis: Thanks TROY for getting us together:)
22:08:43 SusanEttenheim: connie let us know if you want a topic some week!
22:08:49 gravesle: sell it troy!!!
22:08:57 KaraGraci: Thanks for a good first experience! Early morning tomorrow.  Resources and conversations were helpful as usual! :)
22:09:05 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Night all!
22:09:06 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: Thanks!
22:09:12 SusanEttenheim: connie - you should guest edit a series of show for us like troy did!
22:09:14 Melissa Lynn Pomerantz: Night, Sara
22:09:14 csitterley: Susan-maybe later in the year after we have some things rolling
22:09:19 Sara Beauchamp-Hicks: :)
22:09:25 heatherlewis: Night all!
22:09:34 SusanEttenheim: sometimes connie the discussions fuel the project
22:09:35 PeggyG: I don't think you can subscribe to changes on google docs--no RSS feed
22:09:52 gravesle: night! excellent convo & great first time experience on edtechtalk for me :)
22:10:02 Troy Hicks: Thanks all!
22:10:08 PeggyG: great to have you here gravesle!!!
22:10:18 csitterley: Absolutely-but need to have some confidence for the teachers  before they try to discuss
22:10:26 PeggyG: edtechtalk is my favorite professional development resource!!
22:10:39 PeggyG: ETT has shows almost every night of the week!! :-)
22:10:49 csitterley: Thanks everyone for another fast hour!
22:11:27 PeggyG: @Troy-you are a fabulous show host!!!
22:11:38 SusanEttenheim: night everyone thanks for joining us!
22:11:42 PeggyG: night all!
22:26:19 CarolynPonce: Hello
22:27:08 CarolynPonce: Did I miss the Webcast?