Teachers Teaching Teachers #187 The Socially Networked Classroom: Teaching New Media w/ William Kist & Mike Slowinski - 02.17.10

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This episode of Teachers Teaching Teachers, was recorded during a live webcast back in the middle of February. We think you will enjoy this conversation with William Kist and Mike Slowlinski, one of the teachers who is featured in William Kist's new book, The Socially Networked Classroom: Teaching in the New Media Age. Troy Hicks has a thought-provoking question to ask toward the end of this podcast as well. Get the book, and learn along with all of us.

This episode of Teachers Teaching Teachers, was recorded during a live webcast back in the middle of February. We think you will enjoy this conversation with William Kist and Mike Slowlinski, one of the teachers who is featured in William Kist's new book, The Socially Networked Classroom: Teaching in the New Media Age. Troy Hicks has a thought-provoking question to ask toward the end of this podcast as well. Get the book, and learn along with all of us.


William Kist

William Kist is an associate professor at Kent State University, where he teaches undergraduate and graduate courses focused on adolescent literacy. He has been a middle school and high school English teacher; a Language Arts and Social Studies curriculum coordinator; and a consultant and trainer for school districts across the United States. Kist has over 30 national and international conference presentations and 10 published articles to his credit, including his book The Socially Networked Classroom: Teaching in the New Media Age (2010, Corwin Press.). In addition to his work in education, Kist has worked as a video/film producer and musician. Kist is editing one independent feature film, Summer’s Journey, and is developing his original screenplay, Field Trip, to be filmed as an independent feature in 2008.

View Bill Kist’s Resume/Vita, Publication, and Workshops,

This podcast is another in a series of Teachers Teaching Teachers shows to feature the authors of a recent outcrop of books on new media and literacy (Using Technology to Improve Adolescent Writing: 186. Copyright Clarity: 184, 135, The Digital Writing Workshop: 172, 171, 170, Teaching the New Writing: 157156, 155, Teaching Writing Using Blogs, Wikis, and other Digital Tools: 138)  Perhaps we have the makings of a new discipline here, or at least a budding new branch on the tree of academic inquiry. See the National Writing Project's list at Teaching Now: Digital Writing Books. What would you add to this list? Let us know by adding a comment below.


Click Read more to see a copy of the chat that was happening during the webcast.

 20:48:41 SusanEttenheim: hi - having skype problems but be with you soon
20:50:02 Paul Allison: cool
20:50:23 Paul Allison: mike.solinski and william.kist await your call.
20:50:33 Paul Allison: http://paulallison.tumblr.com/post/393508655/william-kist-and-mike-slowi...
20:50:41 Paul Allison: http://www.williamkist.com/
20:50:47 Paul Allison: http://www.c3po.us/Home.html
20:50:54 Paul Allison: http://www1.ncte.org/store/webseminars/130903.htm
20:51:01 Paul Allison: http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/resource/3031
20:51:08 Paul Allison: http://englishcompanion.ning.com/group/ecnbookclubsociallynetworkedclass...
20:53:54 SusanEttenheim: I checked everything last night and tested everything and now my skype won't open
20:54:07 SusanEttenheim: it keeps crashing so I'm just going to reinstall
20:54:23 wkist: Sorry to hear you're having problems, Susan!
20:54:31 Paul Allison: hi Bill.
20:54:41 SusanEttenheim: 3 minutes left
20:54:42 Paul Allison: Susan should we look for back up?
20:54:46 wkist: Hi!  Where do I drag a couple links I'd like to show?
20:54:48 SusanEttenheim: should be back up and running soon
20:54:55 Paul Allison: ok
20:55:14 Paul Allison: Into the box where you type chat.
20:55:17 SusanEttenheim: give me 2 min and if it isn't fixed we'll see
20:55:31 Paul Allison: and you can wait until the links make sense.
20:55:45 Paul Allison: We publish this chat with the podcast.
20:55:56 Paul Allison: Welcome Wendy and Jenny.
20:56:03 wkist: OK, thanks.
20:56:05 Wendy: Hi.
20:56:20 Paul Allison: Susan is having technical difficulties, but we will start soon.
20:56:21 Jenny Brandon: Good evening all!
20:56:59 SusanEttenheim: i may just broadcast from the other laptop checking now
20:57:00 Paul Allison: Hi Jenny, please introduce yourself.. where you teach?
20:57:07 SusanEttenheim: should only be a few minutes delay
20:57:14 Paul Allison: ok.
20:57:23 Paul Allison: People are gathering slowly...
20:57:32 Jenny Brandon: I teach 2nd grade in West TN.  Also 6th-8th in after school program
20:58:01 Jenny Brandon: Audio a problem?
20:58:02 Paul Allison: Welcome. William Kist is with us here now... and when we begin on the webcast.
20:58:11 Paul Allison: Yes, no audio yet.
20:58:40 Paul Allison: Have you seen William's new book? http://www.corwin.com/booksProdDesc.nav?prodId=Book232987
20:58:50 Paul Allison: Hi Wendy,
20:58:56 Paul Allison: Where do you teach?
20:59:25 Wendy: Hi Paul. I have seen the book, but not read it. I teach outside Phila. in an independent school--5th grade.
21:00:02 Paul Allison: Welcome Wendy.
21:00:16 Paul Allison: Ah.
21:00:22 Paul Allison: Welcome Mike.
21:00:34 mike slowinski: I made it! Thanks!
21:00:50 wkist: Good to "see" you, Mike!
21:01:50 Paul Allison: We are still waiting for Susan -- who just came back online-- AND we have welcomed a 5th grade teacher, Wendy from outside of Philadelphia (snow enough?) and a 1st and 2nd grade teacher from West Tenn. And Troy Hicks.
21:01:54 Paul Allison: Welcome all
21:02:01 hickstro: Hello
21:02:19 Paul Allison: SusanEttenheim will be connecting the skype machine and broadcasting as soon as she can.
21:02:42 Wendy: plenty of snow here. Love it.
21:02:42 Paul Allison: William Kist and Mike Slowinski are here now, if you want to start chatting feel free.
21:02:56 wkist: Hello, all!
21:03:12 Jenny Brandon: We are finally finished with snow days!  (Knock wood)
21:03:38 mike slowinski: Yikes! Send some of that to the Olympics!
21:03:44 wkist: We are hoping so, too.  My sister-in-law, who teaches hasn't had to work in 10 days!
21:03:49 Paul Allison: Susan is almost ready.
21:03:53 wkist: OK.
21:03:57 Jenny Brandon: We were out 10 days too
21:04:00 Paul Allison: going through the countdown
21:05:49 wkist: Hello, to Tracey!
21:05:52 Jenny Brandon: audio?  crickets?
21:06:07 Paul Allison: We'll be broadcasting in just a second.
21:06:11 mtlehr5: Hi Bill...ok
21:06:23 Jenny Brandon: just checking, don't want to miss anything
21:08:18 wkist: We're still working on the audio!
21:08:29 Paul Allison: Susn is working on it.
21:08:35 Paul Allison: Thanks for the patience.
21:08:53 SusanEttenheim: hi everyone can you hear us?
21:09:03 mtlehr5: no...not yet
21:09:10 SusanEttenheim: ok thanks working on it
21:09:17 SusanEttenheim: are you on edtechtalk A?
21:09:24 Wendy: yup
21:09:40 Paul Allison: http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/resource/3031
21:09:43 mtlehr5: I am
21:09:54 Paul Allison: Susan is fixing the problem!
21:10:08 Jenny Brandon: I'm on A too. no audio
21:10:15 Jenny Brandon: How about a little discussion
21:10:31 Paul Allison: We will begin in one minute.
21:10:36 Jenny Brandon: shall I give you a topic?
21:10:45 Paul Allison: Who has seen William's bok?
21:10:47 mtlehr5: My Windows Media Player is saying that it cannot play the file
21:10:48 Paul Allison: book
21:11:09 Paul Allison: http://www.corwin.com/booksProdDesc.nav?prodId=Book232987
21:11:18 Joel Malley: i have a 1 year old who just finished projectile vomiting, if anyone wants to  discuss that
21:11:34 mtlehr5: lol...I remember those days!
21:11:40 Jenny Brandon: been there done that 20 years ago
21:12:09 Wendy: I have a 7 yr old who threw up down the stairs last months. Luckily we don't have carpet there. Lovely cascade effect.
21:12:18 SusanEttenheim: can you hear us now?
21:12:26 Wendy: no
21:12:30 Jenny Brandon: no
21:12:43 mtlehr5: Still getting the same no go message
21:12:51 Jenny Brandon: so, when's Stephen Colbert gonna be on the olympics?
21:13:05 SusanEttenheim: ok everyone could you please make sure you are on edtechtalk A and let us know
21:13:28 Wendy: I have sound
21:13:29 Jenny Brandon: I HEAR YOU!
21:13:45 Paul Allison: wow.
21:13:58 Paul Allison: Okay... Susan will be right back. We have it!
21:14:05 wkist: Yea!
21:14:22 mtlehr5: I don't...sorry, it must be on my end...
21:14:25 Paul Allison: Who here teaches in a "socially networked classrom"?
21:14:51 wkist: I try to!
21:14:55 Paul Allison: We are trying to have a conversation-- and will Skype willing -- with william Kist
21:14:58 Jenny Brandon: well, my kids act like they have a social network
21:15:05 Jenny Brandon: but no
21:15:10 Paul Allison: Jenny say more.
21:15:26 Paul Allison: how do they *act* that way?
21:15:29 Paul Allison: pass notes?
21:15:35 Jenny Brandon: THEY TALK TOO MUCH!
21:15:51 wkist: Good point--who needs computers for social networking?
21:16:11 Wendy: we have an active class blog, but it isn't a ning or anything. 5th graders are too young for ning.
21:16:31 Jenny Brandon: we've got a blog for my after school group
21:16:50 hickstro: Still no sound on channel A for me
21:16:50 Jenny Brandon: very teacher directed for the moment, but we're working on it
21:17:24 Paul Allison: We're coming on now... again.
21:17:28 Jenny Brandon: the only reason we can even have a blog is that we're after school --- in school, no blog --- but I seem to be making headway
21:17:33 Jenny Brandon: hear you
21:17:42 Wendy: i hear too
21:18:27 Jenny Brandon: you're going in and out
21:18:34 wkist: I've been disconnected!
21:19:34 Jenny Brandon: paul is cutting in and out
21:20:03 Jenny Brandon: hellooooo
21:20:51 hickstro: Got it now
21:21:04 mtlehr5: Still no audio...I'm trying everything.  Sorry.
21:21:17 Jenny Brandon: and, they're gone
21:21:32 Jenny Brandon: well, how about a little social networking via chat?
21:21:37 wkist: Sounds good!
21:22:27 Jenny Brandon: no sound for me
21:22:51 mtlehr5: Was that a pun, Bill?
21:23:01 wkist: What's a "pun?"
21:23:12 mtlehr5: Seriously?
21:23:22 wkist: I'll look it up later.
21:23:26 mtlehr5: Did I spell it wrong?
21:23:42 mtlehr5: It's a play on words...
21:23:48 Jenny Brandon: I had pancakes for breakfast.  They were waffle.
21:24:05 Jenny Brandon: should I be hearing something yet?
21:24:12 wkist: Oh, yeah.  (I need that new sarcasm sign that somebody came up with.)
21:24:30 mtlehr5: In answer to Jenny's querie, you said, "Sounds good," and we are having sound difficulties...
21:24:48 Jenny Brandon: I don't hear anything any more
21:25:09 mtlehr5: lol...yes you do.  Things tend to get lost in translation with text.
21:25:52 Wendy: big olympics skiing crash, fyi.
21:26:06 Paul Allison: http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/resource/3031
21:26:23 SusanEttenheim: hi everyone!
21:26:27 Joel Malley: hello
21:26:30 mtlehr5: Hello
21:26:33 mslaneeus: hello
21:26:36 Wendy: hi
21:26:39 SusanEttenheim: haha it's a 2 computer night!
21:26:39 jennyb: hello
21:26:46 Wendy: should I hear anything?
21:27:07 SusanEttenheim: broadcasting on one and here onthe other - thank goodness for my verizon acct
21:27:07 SusanEttenheim: too
21:27:45 SusanEttenheim: so if you'd like me to call you into the conversation at any point, just tell me your skype name :)
21:27:50 Joel Malley: Is there sound, because I'm not hearing anything through A via iTunes
21:27:59 jennyb: no sound for me
21:28:06 mslaneeus: No sound here.
21:28:08 SusanEttenheim: jenny edtechtalk A
21:28:09 Wendy: me either.
21:28:30 SusanEttenheim: can you hear now?
21:28:30 Joel Malley: hey...i hear words
21:28:41 jennyb: I CAN HEAR
21:28:52 jennyb: please just keep talking
21:29:02 Wendy: oh, it's there again
21:29:30 SusanEttenheim: could you hear me too?
21:29:37 jennyb: I hear you the interupting person
21:29:41 jennyb: that's all
21:30:05 jennyb: a woman's voice is all I hear
21:30:42 jennyb: hello
21:30:54 SusanEttenheim: can you hear us now?
21:30:57 jennyb: "I don't have any error message no
21:30:59 hickstro: you are on
21:31:01 jennyb: yes I hear you paul
21:31:22 SusanEttenheim: thanks ugh
21:31:48 SusanEttenheim: how is the sound everyone?
21:31:54 mslaneeus: Fine for me.
21:31:55 jennyb: ok for now
21:31:58 SusanEttenheim: thanks
21:31:59 wkist: Great on my end!
21:32:18 SusanEttenheim: so sorry - well that's home grown live webcasting for you
21:33:09 mtlehr5: I am a technical misfit...:(
21:33:19 SusanEttenheim: what makes you say that?
21:33:29 SusanEttenheim: welcome mtlehr5
21:33:31 SusanEttenheim: can you hear?
21:33:33 mtlehr5: Still no sound, but it must be on my end
21:33:50 SusanEttenheim: click on edtechtalk A
21:33:55 SusanEttenheim: what platform are you on?
21:34:01 SusanEttenheim: also there is a delay
21:34:11 SusanEttenheim: you might have to reopen the stream
21:34:24 jennyb: gone again - no sound
21:34:24 hickstro: lost the stream
21:34:25 mslaneeus: cutting in and out
21:34:29 mtlehr5: I have sound!
21:34:31 SusanEttenheim: ugh
21:34:35 Joel Malley: rebuffered
21:34:36 hickstro: back again
21:34:37 jennyb: back again
21:34:41 mslaneeus: back again
21:34:51 Wendy: ditto
21:34:55 SusanEttenheim: wow yes I could see that skipping
21:35:00 SusanEttenheim: looks ok now
21:35:14 jennyb: Susan, get that cat off the keyboard!:/
21:35:19 SusanEttenheim: haha jenny
21:35:43 SusanEttenheim: if only it were that simple!
21:35:59 SusanEttenheim: ok so on to the book! who has seen it?
21:36:00 wkist: We're talking about how Mike and I began collaborating on a Facebook project.  Can anyone hear us?
21:36:12 jennyb: I can hear
21:36:13 mtlehr5: I can
21:36:25 SusanEttenheim: oh dear william.. a little faith please!
21:36:28 SusanEttenheim: :)
21:36:29 jennyb: I'm dying to hear how you got facebook past powers that be
21:36:32 hickstro: We can hear you
21:36:36 wkist: Great!  Sorry, just wanted to make sure!
21:36:41 Wendy: I can hear too
21:36:43 SusanEttenheim: :)
21:36:45 hickstro: Glad to be able to hear you!
21:36:50 hickstro: :)
21:36:55 wkist: Wish we could hear you guys!
21:36:57 Joel Malley: I wonder what the advantages are of using Facebook instead of something like Ning.
21:37:11 SusanEttenheim: william - did you see that question?
21:37:19 Wendy: I wanted to use a ning in my room, but 5th graders aren't old enough.
21:37:23 mtlehr5: Is Mike Canadian?
21:37:32 wkist: Yes, I would just say that it's probably just that you're giving the kids a chance to see that Facebook can be used professionally.
21:37:32 Joel Malley: Like, I know Facebook is a pre established social network, but it would seem the "noise" would be to distracting
21:37:39 jennyb: Ning's been cut off at our school again - Facebook?  no way
21:37:53 Joel Malley: @jenny, you can use FB but not Ning?
21:38:03 Wendy: ning is open at my school
21:38:10 jennyb: no FB, used to get NIng but now it's off again
21:38:23 jennyb: I'll talk to the techies
21:39:02 SusanEttenheim: we have found that when actually asked and projects are explained - filters do get lifted
21:39:47 wkist: Mike had to do a lengthy presentation to his Board of Education and do lots of groundwork before starting this project.
21:39:48 SusanEttenheim: we skipped introductions tonight! Could you all please type in where and what you teach?
21:39:48 jennyb: We are on the cusp of letting the kids blog - they all have school laptops and haven't been allowed to blog except with me after school
21:39:49 Joel Malley: But, I wonder if FB is supposed to be used professionally...I don't see anyone I know using it professionally...maybe those that are in bands or who are bartenders
21:40:10 wkist: I use it professionally!  
21:40:19 SusanEttenheim: Susan Ettenheim, Eleanor Roosevelt High School, NYC although inMass tonight
21:40:20 Joel Malley: do you have two accounts William?
21:40:22 Wendy: @Joel, that's my thought too
21:40:24 wkist: I think a lot of academics do, and lots of people in showbiz, as you point out.
21:40:27 SusanEttenheim: intros please?
21:40:27 hickstro: I am curious to know how students respond to teachers using FB for educational purposes... do they feel as if you are co-opting their social space?
21:40:48 jennyb: I wonder if starting an FB page for the board would get off the ground - lots of them are on it
21:40:52 Joel Malley: I teach Mass Media, English 10, and AP Lit outside of Buffalo, NY
21:40:55 Wendy: 5th grade teacher outside snow-bound Phila.
21:40:56 SusanEttenheim: thanks joel
21:41:00 wkist: Unfortunately, I didn't realize this until I was into Facebook so deeply and had mixed all my personal contacts with my professional contacts.  I wish now that I had learned about setting up two profiles!
21:41:01 Joel Malley: no probs
21:41:02 SusanEttenheim: thanks wendy welcome!
21:41:13 mslaneeus: Siobhan Lane, grade 6 teacher, Kamloops, BC, Canada
21:41:28 SusanEttenheim: welcome mslaneeus!
21:41:32 wkist: Good question, Troy.  This was a "problem" that we did encounter that I hope we'll talk about.
21:41:49 SusanEttenheim: carol - where and what do you teach?
21:42:03 SusanEttenheim: and tunaguy?
21:42:10 SusanEttenheim: welcome!
21:42:36 Joel Malley: I am not naysaying, by the way, as I have all my classes Ninging and am totally sold on social networking to help me help my students learn...but I'm just wondering these things....
21:42:37 SusanEttenheim: are any of you using facebook in your classes?
21:42:56 mslaneeus: I haven't tried but I am willing to.
21:43:06 hickstro: @wkist -- interesting. I look forward to hearing more on your thoughts about mixing these personal and academic personas.
21:43:07 mslaneeus: Filters can be lifted by school here.
21:43:15 Wendy: 5th graders are too young for most social networking sites, if they're honest about birthdays
21:43:46 Joel Malley: What constitutes a post?
21:43:56 jennyb: I have students try to friend my personal account all the time - I don't do it until they graduate high school
21:44:13 SusanEttenheim: jenny - what and where do you teach?
21:44:27 Joel Malley: ah, discussions probably
21:44:34 Joel Malley: @myself
21:44:43 jennyb: 2nd grade, W. Tennessee, 6th-8th grade after school
21:44:55 SusanEttenheim: that's right - wow high school is a long way off!
21:45:33 Wendy: @Jenny I had parents sending requests too. Parents who I just can not say I know more than name.
21:45:49 jennyb: I DON'T FRIEND PARENTS
21:45:58 Wendy: Me either, but it is bizarre
21:46:01 jennyb: I had a really "interesting" parent last year
21:46:29 Wendy: isn't it always the "interesting ones" who want to be fb friends?
21:46:31 SusanEttenheim: wow only a few parents have ever tried to friend me
21:46:33 mike slowinski: I have a professional page and a social page. My professional page is where I friend parents and my students' professional pages
21:46:36 jennyb: I'm thinking. . . maybe I should set up a Ms. Brandon FB account for students
21:46:53 SusanEttenheim: I have had a few follow me on twitter
21:47:01 jennyb: How is that working for you Mike?
21:47:09 SusanEttenheim: don't you think the personal and professional will overlap eventually anyway?
21:47:18 jennyb: I got on FB to spy on my own children!
21:47:34 Wendy: @susan, maybe but less so for those of us in lower school setting
21:47:36 mike slowinski: As part of teaching safe social networking, I try to teach my students to keep them seperate
21:47:44 SusanEttenheim: I always crack up when I google someone and all too easily move from their professional to their personal self
21:47:49 mike slowinski: But I haven't had any problems yet...students or parents
21:48:17 SusanEttenheim: jenny - how can you do that unless you friend them?
21:48:38 SusanEttenheim: I agree mike but very few people can actually keep them separate
21:48:47 jennyb: My kids are all in college/grad school now
21:49:17 mslaneeus: sound in and out
21:49:18 mike slowinski: Yeah, that's exactly why I think we need to teach social networking instead of let people make mistakes through trial and error
21:49:22 jennyb: oh poo
21:49:28 jennyb: where'd they go
21:49:29 Wendy: ditto
21:49:35 mtlehr5: lost my sound too
21:49:36 mike slowinski: Uhoh, can't hear?
21:49:50 jennyb: Mike - I've been preaching to teachers NOT to friend students
21:49:55 SusanEttenheim: yes having a sound burp again - hang inthere please
21:49:57 Wendy: and we're back
21:50:05 jennyb: I'm president of the professional group
21:50:15 SusanEttenheim: ok stable connection back
21:50:15 jennyb: we've had few issues
21:50:21 SusanEttenheim: should be better in a minute
21:50:37 SusanEttenheim: sound ok again right?
21:50:40 mslaneeus: yep
21:50:42 mtlehr5: yes
21:50:44 mike slowinski: I don't friend students' social Facebook pages until after they graduate. I'll only friend their professional pages (that they set up at school in my class)
21:50:45 jennyb: yes susan
21:50:53 SusanEttenheim: wow broadcasting in the country is so different from the city!
21:51:05 mslaneeus: more then one country
21:51:11 jennyb: OHHHH.  Your students have a "professional page"
21:51:15 jennyb: cool
21:51:16 Wendy: @Mike, I like the division of pages idea
21:51:35 wkist: I also don't friend students until after they graduate.  Mtlehr5 is one of my former students!
21:51:37 mike slowinski: Yeah, this has worked really well, and it was the only way I could sell it to my admin
21:51:44 SusanEttenheim: don't you think eventually there will just be more and more ways to send out some things to some people?
21:52:33 SusanEttenheim: I'm wondering how the professional pages are named? user names?
21:52:38 jennyb: Mike, is there any way you would friend me so I could see how it all works?  jennybrandon
21:53:02 mike slowinski: Definitely. My professional page is wdp slowinski
21:53:18 mtlehr5: sound out again
21:53:25 SusanEttenheim: it's interesting but just so many times I have googled someone and found not great stuff on personal pages sooo easily
21:53:33 mtlehr5: and it's back
21:53:43 Wendy: Mike, are your pages linked when you sign in?
21:53:43 SusanEttenheim: I think it's just better to be smart about what you say everywhere - personal and professional
21:53:55 Wendy: @susan-YES
21:54:29 SusanEttenheim: I think personal or professional when you write online you are always publishing
21:54:42 mslaneeus: no sound for me
21:54:48 SusanEttenheim: sound skipping again - should be back in a minute
21:54:53 SusanEttenheim: ok ok again
21:55:30 SusanEttenheim: I believe that the recording of this will not have the skips but we'll see...
21:56:03 SusanEttenheim: we do the same thing - only avatars/icons
21:56:06 SusanEttenheim: that makes sense
21:56:47 SusanEttenheim: you should have sound now, right?
21:56:54 jennyb: WOW!  What a cool idea
21:56:59 SusanEttenheim: wow!
21:57:01 mtlehr5: Yes, Susan
21:57:07 SusanEttenheim: thanks
21:57:11 Wendy: if this is their prof. page, shouldn't it have their name so that it is the beginning of a resume?
21:57:26 jennyb: No names!
21:57:32 jennyb: Way too dangerous
21:57:44 SusanEttenheim: even last names are big no no for us... what if there's a bad divorce and one person isn't supposed to find the student
21:58:02 SusanEttenheim: that actually happened for us
21:58:14 hickstro: From a technical standpoint, do you feel that FB functions in a manner that allow students to communicate effectively?
21:58:24 Wendy: but these kids all have fb accounts with their names anyway. Of course not in crazy divorce situations.
21:58:27 jennyb: AFTER THEY GRADUATE!  there you go
21:58:44 hickstro: For instance, is the discussion forum feature in FB as good, better, or just different from Blackboard, Ning, Nicenet, etc?
21:59:33 jennyb: YOU ARE AN AWESOME DUDE - parent tutorial - double wow
21:59:34 hickstro: Also, are they able to effectively able to embed and comment on multimedia? Both content that they find to share as well as content they create? Again, are the commenting and discussion tools robust enough for students to engage in substantive conversation?
21:59:34 Wendy: What about ning as a tool. Might not be not allowed at home, has a more academic look and lots of content sites to show?
22:00:10 mtlehr5: My underage children may only have facebook accounts if I also have their password.  I check their pages regularly.  This is a workable solution for many parents.
22:00:25 hickstro: Also -- curious -- do their "habits" from their own personal uses of FB carry over into these academic discussions? For instance, do they use txt speak?
22:00:37 hickstro: Is that encouraged or discouraged?
22:01:08 Wendy: I don't let my 5th graders use txt speak on our blog. We talk about how the audience is different than for texting.
22:01:13 hickstro: Just curious to hear how their own personal uses of FB transfer into this academic experience...
22:01:25 hickstro: Cool, multimedia book projects!
22:01:30 hickstro: Examples?
22:02:22 mike slowinski: If you friend wdp slowinski, I can show you some examples. Just write a note telling me you are from this session and I can show you examples
22:02:53 hickstro: Paul's point -- FB is a place where you communicate with people you know, there are other places where you communicate with the world
22:03:03 hickstro: Think I got it all there, Paul
22:03:10 wkist: None of these venues/forms can do it all.
22:03:19 SusanEttenheim: how true
22:03:50 hickstro: @wkist Good point. Given that they are familiar with FB, that does bring down one of the barriers to entry, and that is a good reason to use it.
22:03:50 Wendy: Still wondering what others think about a nign vs fb?
22:03:57 Wendy: oops ning
22:04:22 SusanEttenheim: along the lines of what paul was saying - I'm interested in being out of a walled garden
22:04:27 hickstro: One of the complaints about Ning is that you can't easily switch from one Ning to another...
22:04:31 SusanEttenheim: ning to me is a walled garden
22:04:40 hickstro: If you are on FB, you can log into all your groups from your one profile
22:04:47 SusanEttenheim: troy - are you on now?
22:04:50 hickstro: And the privacy settings can be set
22:04:59 Wendy: @susan, it doesn't have to be
22:05:08 SusanEttenheim: humm ok
22:05:18 Joel Malley: Then again, I don't think that Facebook archives all of users content...like I can't go back and see my status updates from a month ago, right?
22:05:38 Joel Malley: So, that's like a garden that is dying the further you walk from it
22:05:49 Wendy: @joel, good point.
22:05:51 Joel Malley: but i might be wrong
22:06:14 wkist: http://lordofsurvival.pbworks.com/
22:06:16 Wendy: I think links and video etc stay for a long time, but status updates not
22:06:34 Joel Malley: l
22:06:37 Joel Malley: okay
22:08:22 mike slowinski: http://brn227.brown.wmich.edu/literaryworlds/index.html
22:08:36 Wendy: wondering about the gender break down in gaming--I have not idea
22:08:37 wkist: Here's a role-playing game in a Ning format: http://lordofsurvival.pbworks.com/
22:08:58 jennyb: this delay is a pain
22:09:17 Paul Allison: Troy, keep talking
22:09:26 Paul Allison: http://englishcompanion.ning.com/group/ecnbookclubsociallynetworkedclass...
22:09:59 SusanEttenheim: but jenny imagine having done this 5 years ago!
22:10:07 SusanEttenheim: isn't it great what we've come to expect
22:10:18 jennyb: I was on dial-up 5 years ago - nightmare!
22:10:25 Paul Allison: http://englishcompanion.ning.com/group/ecnbookclubsociallynetworkedclass...
22:11:00 hickstro: @wkist -- "the new media is forcing us to do things that we should have done years ago"
22:11:26 Wendy: I just wrote that down as a "save it" idea too
22:11:52 hickstro: @wkist -- "we are a discipline that is more process-oriented" ... "new media plays right into that"
22:12:04 hickstro: I agree...
22:12:27 hickstro: I wonder how we help our colleagues move from this idea of being "content experts" and into "process experts"
22:12:46 wkist: Yes, that is the rub!
22:12:53 Wendy: very carefully
22:12:57 jennyb: snow days - let me explain
22:13:12 jennyb: we had more teachers on FB during our snow days than I've ever seen
22:13:19 jennyb: new people signing up
22:13:23 jennyb: it was amazing
22:13:44 Joel Malley: what jobs revolve around social networking?
22:13:44 jennyb: They were snowed in and found a new way to socialize
22:14:21 jennyb: according to the "job experts" ALL jobs revolve around social networking especially the job of finding a job
22:14:28 SusanEttenheim: haha 9 months after the snow there will be babies and x number of new facebook accounts!
22:14:40 jennyb: ha
22:14:42 mike slowinski: I have friends that are hired to do Facebook, Twitter, and other social networking for their businesses
22:14:49 mike slowinski: That's their whole job
22:14:52 SusanEttenheim: yes for sure!
22:15:01 jennyb: My daughter works for her university doing that too
22:15:07 SusanEttenheim: pratt is just starting an mfa in digital communications
22:15:15 mike slowinski: wow
22:15:15 Joel Malley: i hear ya...i've heard some 70E% stat recently but I'm wondering how true it is
22:16:05 jennyb: great idea to ponder
22:16:10 wkist: The audio is cutting in and out for me.
22:16:16 SusanEttenheim: william has a delay
22:16:19 SusanEttenheim: hang in there
22:16:31 SusanEttenheim: william go ahead and speak now..
22:16:47 wkist: I'm trying to talk.
22:16:52 SusanEttenheim: william you're fine we hear you
22:17:01 Wendy: no I hear
22:17:13 jennyb: keep talking william
22:17:19 hickstro: Just wondering the extent to which English teachers need the "traditional" courses in literature and composition to frame their background, give them the depth they need to be able to offer the wisdom of the discipline to students.
22:17:48 jennyb: :D
22:17:57 SusanEttenheim: things break using technology but there were many more people I missed meeting before cellphones!
22:18:16 hickstro: Then, to what extent do they need to understand aspects of new media composition and how to help their students comsume and produce multimedia texts.
22:18:20 SusanEttenheim: paul - we
22:18:24 SusanEttenheim: er're fine
22:19:45 SusanEttenheim: sounds skipping a little again
22:19:47 hickstro: Thanks, all! Great show, despite the difficulties.
22:19:50 SusanEttenheim: ok back
22:20:00 hickstro: Thanks, Bill and Mike for sharing your work in the book, and on the show!
22:20:01 wkist: Thanks so much for what you're saying, Paul, about my work.  You're also helping to build the canon!
22:20:07 jennyb: been great, skippy, but great!
22:20:08 wkist: Thanks, all!
22:20:12 hickstro: Good night
22:20:14 Wendy: thanks
22:20:16 mike slowinski: Thanks and good night!
22:20:22 wkist: It's been a pleasure talking with all of you!
22:20:30 mtlehr5: In spite of the difficulties...this was very interesting discussion!
22:20:31 jennyb: Yet another book to buy
22:20:34 jennyb: bye
22:20:36 SusanEttenheim: night everyone! thanks!