Conversations Episode 113 - Objectives - Should we share them with students?

This week, Maria brought us an article about sharing objectives with students.  This author gave various reasons not to share objectives.  We debated the issue. Our next Conversations show will be held on Monday, December 19th at 8:00 Eastern. 

2011-12-05 20:04:30 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Starting shortly!
2011-12-05 20:07:05 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Hello Cathy.
2011-12-05 20:07:20 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: Audio is great
2011-12-05 20:07:41 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Hello Cathy
2011-12-05 20:09:16 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: I wish I could!
2011-12-05 20:12:45 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: I feel special
2011-12-05 20:13:00 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: Can't do it
2011-12-05 20:13:06 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: my connection won't hold
2011-12-05 20:13:29 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: no goats 
2011-12-05 20:13:38 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: OMG
2011-12-05 20:13:44 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: I told you Lisa!!!
2011-12-05 20:13:55 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: BAd idea!! to agree to that snake.
2011-12-05 20:14:56 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk:
2011-12-05 20:17:08 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: We have always been required to post the objectives
2011-12-05 20:17:35 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: We write them as I can statements and I will statements
2011-12-05 20:18:38 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: We are not required to do that, but some people write the topics for middle school
2011-12-05 20:19:40 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Hi there! Long time no 'see'!
2011-12-05 20:20:15 [Message] sroseman -> EdTechTalk: yes, I  have been quite busy ..suffering from Internet fatigue
2011-12-05 20:20:27 [Message] sroseman -> EdTechTalk: and just returned from Israel
2011-12-05 20:21:45 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: I hear you! :)  Wow! Israel!  I forgot you were away.
2011-12-05 20:22:24 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: We as the teachers are not deciding what objectives will be taught.  In the past it has been the state, not it is national (common core)
2011-12-05 20:22:37 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: *now
2011-12-05 20:23:08 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: But Maria, you have an end in mind
2011-12-05 20:23:55 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: that is why we write the "i will" statements
2011-12-05 20:24:18 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: "I will decide what is the best tool to use to do xxx"
2011-12-05 20:25:20 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: Where we are now is sooo much better than where we have been with objectives...we are feeling good about it
2011-12-05 20:26:27 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: We have multiple objectives on the board
2011-12-05 20:27:47 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: Our admins walk through all the time
2011-12-05 20:27:58 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: with tablet in hand
2011-12-05 20:28:21 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: Maria, you won't win that battle
2011-12-05 20:28:43 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: That seems to be the trend now - tablets and apps for walkthrough
2011-12-05 20:29:16 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: That is a shame.  My admins are so involved
2011-12-05 20:29:23 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: they are in our rooms all the time
2011-12-05 20:29:31 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: mine was in today
2011-12-05 20:33:00 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Objectively Speaking -
2011-12-05 20:36:42 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: We have "formal observations"
2011-12-05 20:36:52 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: and walk throughs
2011-12-05 20:36:56 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: There's a snake on the loose in Lisa's house!  :o 
2011-12-05 20:38:22 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: yea, my admins do a lot of observations
2011-12-05 20:45:00 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk:
2011-12-05 20:49:27 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: my admis are very good at asking the questions
2011-12-05 20:49:49 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: 10-20 min
2011-12-05 20:50:04 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: but a formal evaluation is an hour
2011-12-05 20:51:33 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: Do you fill out professional development plans?
2011-12-05 20:51:47 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: yes
2011-12-05 20:52:14 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: yes
2011-12-05 20:52:20 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: those plans are part of our evaluation process
2011-12-05 20:52:32 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: along with a self assessment from each teacher
2011-12-05 20:52:50 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: my plans should not have to look like everyone else's
2011-12-05 20:56:23 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: So if your objective was "making connections" you were covered
2011-12-05 20:57:35 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: some teachers would never cover the curriculum if they did not have guidelines
2011-12-05 20:57:52 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: and the great teachers, like you, will work around it
2011-12-05 20:59:45 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: Don't let snakes into your house either
2011-12-05 21:01:36 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: I'm back to say goodbye.
2011-12-05 21:01:42 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: No luck finding the snake.
2011-12-05 21:01:55 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: I am thrilled thinking about sleeping with a snake loose in the house.
2011-12-05 21:02:35 [Message] Cathy E -> EdTechTalk: don't tell her
2011-12-05 21:06:02 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Thanks for coming, Ladies.
2011-12-05 21:06:13 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: thank you for putting up with the babble!!!
2011-12-05 21:06:17 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: from me!
2011-12-05 21:06:34 [Message] sroseman -> EdTechTalk: Thanks all
This week, Maria brought us an article about sharing objectives with students.  This author gave various reasons not to share objectives.  We debated the issue. Our next Conversations show will be held on Monday, December 19th at 8:00 Eastern. 

Conversations Episode 112 - Character Education - It is worth teaching?

This week, during our new Monday night time, we discussed Character Education.  As educators, we recognize the importance of teaching values but sometimes feel we are fighting an uphill battle.  How do we keep it going?  

2011-11-21 19:33:09 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Hi Lisa!
2011-11-21 19:33:30 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Hi the room?
2011-11-21 19:35:28 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Different.  . . .
2011-11-21 19:35:48 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: The lines are new.
2011-11-21 19:35:56 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: I see that.
2011-11-21 19:35:59 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Ustream today?
2011-11-21 19:36:00 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Does it matter?
2011-11-21 19:36:04 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Yes
2011-11-21 19:36:17 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: I think it might be easier with the lines.
2011-11-21 19:37:55 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: My name showed up as a different color when you typed it. 
2011-11-21 19:38:05 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Lisa Parisi is it different?
2011-11-21 19:38:09 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: for you?
2011-11-21 19:42:45 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Hello @fpalizzi
2011-11-21 19:44:31 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Welcome lrussell! 
2011-11-21 19:44:54 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: We will be starting in about 15 minutes.
2011-11-21 19:47:40 [Message] lrussell -> EdTechTalk: What is the topic of discussion tonight?
2011-11-21 19:47:48 [Message] fpalizzi -> EdTechTalk: Ok. My first name is Fran. I should have signed in that way.
2011-11-21 19:48:09 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Hi Fran!  :)
2011-11-21 19:54:19 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Welcome all! 
2011-11-21 19:54:23 [Message] beatrice2011 -> EdTechTalk: Hello!
2011-11-21 19:54:32 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: We will be starting in 5 minutes or so.
2011-11-21 19:54:40 [Message] beatrice2011 -> EdTechTalk: Does anyone know how to view a live session?
2011-11-21 19:54:57 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: In about 5 minutes the ustream will start
2011-11-21 19:55:09 [Message] beatrice2011 -> EdTechTalk: Oh!  So I do not need to do anything else?
2011-11-21 19:55:39 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Hi Jamie
2011-11-21 19:55:46 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Hello PDRussell
2011-11-21 19:55:53 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: Hi all! 
2011-11-21 19:56:03 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: Lisa--how are you?
2011-11-21 19:56:18 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Click the little play button for hear the show.
2011-11-21 19:56:19 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: If you click the little play button on ustream box, you can hear us taling
2011-11-21 19:56:21 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: talking
2011-11-21 19:56:31 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: I'm okay Jamie
2011-11-21 19:56:40 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: I haven't been in here in ages :D 
2011-11-21 19:56:57 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Hi Cheri!
2011-11-21 19:57:08 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Hey Lisa - how are you?
2011-11-21 19:57:12 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: Good!
2011-11-21 19:58:28 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Can you all hear us?
2011-11-21 19:58:35 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: yes
2011-11-21 19:58:41 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: on ustream
2011-11-21 19:58:48 [Message] lrussell -> EdTechTalk: yes we can hear you
2011-11-21 19:59:31 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 19:59:57 [Message] LBlose -> EdTechTalk: yes I can hear
2011-11-21 19:59:58 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: that is so cool
2011-11-21 20:00:14 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: we see ... we hear!
2011-11-21 20:01:06 [Message] fpalizzi -> EdTechTalk: No. I can't hear anything.
2011-11-21 20:01:27 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Click on the little play button on the ustream picture on the right side.
2011-11-21 20:01:43 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: We had one in the library, but it is USB, and it somehow interferes with our circ software. So I put it up front in the main office, and it interferes with the parent check in software. <fail>
2011-11-21 20:02:44 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Hello every one
2011-11-21 20:02:54 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Hi Maria!!
2011-11-21 20:03:17 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Hi Cheri
2011-11-21 20:03:23 [Message] kevin.mccormack -> EdTechTalk: Hi
2011-11-21 20:03:29 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: Hi everyone
2011-11-21 20:03:59 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Hello everyone!
2011-11-21 20:04:14 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Peggggggyyyyyyy!!!
2011-11-21 20:04:21 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Hi everyone1 Welcome to your new time!!!
2011-11-21 20:04:22 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Lisa mentioned Responsive classroom. Here's the link to more info -
2011-11-21 20:04:24 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Our presentation was accepted :-)
2011-11-21 20:04:37 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Hi Cheri! Great to see you!
2011-11-21 20:04:53 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Cheri, what presentation?
2011-11-21 20:05:19 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: What's the topic tonight?
2011-11-21 20:05:27 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Character Ed...
2011-11-21 20:05:30 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: thanks
2011-11-21 20:05:33 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Illinois State Symposium - we'll be Skyping Peggy in to help us demonstrate PLN's
2011-11-21 20:05:36 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Character education - where does it happen
2011-11-21 20:05:40 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Congrats
2011-11-21 20:07:00 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: pocket book - is that like a Kindle?
2011-11-21 20:07:17 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I'm so excited to hear that Cheri!!! :-)
2011-11-21 20:07:20 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Really?  It's my purse.
2011-11-21 20:07:26 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: now I have to start worrying :-)
2011-11-21 20:07:53 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Hi Scott
2011-11-21 20:08:02 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Hello Scott
2011-11-21 20:08:08 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: Hello.  What audio has the least lag tonight?
2011-11-21 20:08:15 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Just kidding, Lisa. :-)
2011-11-21 20:08:18 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: delay
2011-11-21 20:08:20 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: it doesn't matter where it's being taught it's important for schools to teach it and reinforce it
2011-11-21 20:08:33 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Oh...I thought, Cheri, maybe it was a new york term
2011-11-21 20:08:34 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: ok... im there.
2011-11-21 20:08:50 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: @Lisa - it's an old timey term 
2011-11-21 20:08:52 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Can students just get it from the school environment.
2011-11-21 20:09:06 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Well, Cheri, my age does show at times.  LOL
2011-11-21 20:09:34 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I think it's much better for it to be taught situationally rather than using a curriculum
2011-11-21 20:09:41 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I agree with you mariak
2011-11-21 20:10:06 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I think the bucket concept is a great way to teach it! Very visual reminder!
2011-11-21 20:11:45 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk:  Many different bucket filling programs - here's one.
2011-11-21 20:12:26 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: While it has to be reinforced at home for optimal impact, but I don't think we can avoid it in school.
2011-11-21 20:12:39 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: this is the kids' version of How full is your Bucket.
2011-11-21 20:12:40 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 20:13:21 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: that's a great link mariak!!! Thanks!
2011-11-21 20:14:29 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Anyone want to join the skype call?
2011-11-21 20:15:38 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: Shoe greeting?
2011-11-21 20:15:47 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: :-)
2011-11-21 20:16:00 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I think this blog post makes some excellent points about increasing positive interactions. By Kelly Hines who presented last year on K12 Online Conference
2011-11-21 20:16:16 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Thanks for the link Peggy.
2011-11-21 20:16:30 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Peggy is the LinkMeister!
2011-11-21 20:16:50 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: For many, these skills are not modeled at home
2011-11-21 20:17:00 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: :-) 
2011-11-21 20:17:30 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: if kids aren't taught at home it's even more important that they be "taught" at school--these are really important values to learn
2011-11-21 20:19:10 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: sarcasm doesn't really teach them effectively. they may get the wrong message :-(
2011-11-21 20:19:16 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: It's like society is becoming the equivelant of the Facebook "Like" button. 
2011-11-21 20:19:42 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Yes, Scott. 
2011-11-21 20:19:45 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: exactly 
2011-11-21 20:19:56 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: wht a great point Maria! it has to be explicitly taught. They don't learn it just by seeing it in action.
2011-11-21 20:20:27 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: modeling is important but it isn't the same as teaching them
2011-11-21 20:20:37 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Some examples of greetings for Morning Meeting -
2011-11-21 20:21:14 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: maybe role playing
2011-11-21 20:21:15 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I think we need to use the concept that Angela Maiers promotes "YOU MATTER"
2011-11-21 20:21:25 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: let them be the teacher and start it out
2011-11-21 20:23:18 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: from Angela
2011-11-21 20:23:49 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Angela's TED Talk on YOU MATTER
2011-11-21 20:24:06 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Thanks Peggy - that was my next link.
2011-11-21 20:24:58 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: :-) I think the concept is so important!
2011-11-21 20:25:44 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Angela talks about it in her Sandbox Manifesto today (K12 Online Pre-Conference Keynote)
2011-11-21 20:25:55 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: I can't stand forced apologies.  Recess aids live to make kids apologize . 
2011-11-21 20:26:15 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I agree with you Scott. They don't get the message
2011-11-21 20:27:07 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Apology of Action info -
2011-11-21 20:27:23 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Angela's Presentation 
2011-11-21 20:27:34 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Hot of the press - Peggy!
2011-11-21 20:27:42 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: off the press!
2011-11-21 20:27:48 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: absolutely!!! also on iTunesU today :-)
2011-11-21 20:27:52 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Me too Scott...can't stand that
2011-11-21 20:28:59 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Great scene in the book The Kid in the Red Jacket to get kids to understand apology of action.
2011-11-21 20:29:29 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I love that article, Maria. Action is required and not just saying "sorry"
2011-11-21 20:29:53 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: If it helps, Lisa, I'm having to teach undergrad students some of the same lessons: how to address people in emails, how to present their work in the course wiki, how to collaborate, how not to be a distraction to others in class, etc.
2011-11-21 20:29:58 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Welcome Vivian
2011-11-21 20:30:13 [Message] @vivianmattiello -> EdTechTalk: hi, first time here.. something to do with #engchat??
2011-11-21 20:30:17 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Wow did we lose these skills?
2011-11-21 20:30:21 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: good point Cheri! There are many adults that need to learn how to show respect
2011-11-21 20:30:35 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: exactly, Peggy
2011-11-21 20:30:45 [Message] @vivianmattiello -> EdTechTalk: thru @mrami2
2011-11-21 20:30:47 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: This is Conversations, Vivian.  You can hear the show by clicking on the little play button on the ustream window at the right.
2011-11-21 20:31:17 [Message] @vivianmattiello -> EdTechTalk: ok
2011-11-21 20:31:39 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: they are too centered on themselves instead of others
2011-11-21 20:32:24 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: We have to remember that using the internet for colaboratin is a new concept for many people.  There is a large population that is just coming out of a self-imposed digital isolation. Kids included
2011-11-21 20:32:39 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I really like the concept of Greater Than Yourselves by Steve Farber. He did a co-keynote with Angela for our virtual conference last April. It's a concept that is valuable for both kids and adults. Try to do something that makes others "great then yourself"
2011-11-21 20:33:17 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 20:33:20 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: I think we use the term 'respect' but the idea of it changes as they get older and what it looks like changes. Do we address that?
2011-11-21 20:33:36 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Why does it change, Sheila?
2011-11-21 20:33:44 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 20:33:47 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 20:34:38 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: What it looks like and sounds like. Gets more abstract but not sure all the kids can understand it at the same level.
2011-11-21 20:35:25 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Having just come off from the week-long presentations at the Global Ed Conference I think if we had our kids make more global connections they might begin to think of others in a different way--possibly some who have less than they have so they can begin to relate to that
2011-11-21 20:35:26 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: I expect more but not sure I share what I mean with the kids.
2011-11-21 20:35:41 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: that is a great description Maria!
2011-11-21 20:36:06 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 20:36:15 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: This is what we use.
2011-11-21 20:36:52 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: thanks for sharing your links! I love the concept of teaching life lessons through literature. Makes it easier for kids to talk about them.
2011-11-21 20:37:51 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: that's a great way to think of it Maria! That will help parents to be more aware of those behaviors in themselves too :-)
2011-11-21 20:38:35 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: CARES - cooperation, assertion, responsibility, empathy, self-control
2011-11-21 20:39:24 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: yeah kush balls :-)
2011-11-21 20:39:42 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: yes that sounds sarcastic .... :-)
2011-11-21 20:39:54 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: We don't have kuch balls, but we have yoga balls
2011-11-21 20:40:08 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: do you throw them Scott or sit on them?
2011-11-21 20:40:28 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: Haven't had any thrown yet ....
2011-11-21 20:40:35 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: One of the issues with pre-service teachers is dispositions - which relates to all of this.
2011-11-21 20:40:38 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: We sit on them.
2011-11-21 20:40:59 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: yes it does @Cheri! Wish you would call in and talk about that
2011-11-21 20:41:03 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: How should we be acting toward one another - what does a good teacher do - how do they act
2011-11-21 20:41:31 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Peggy, I have a doc student who will be looking at dispositions for her dissertation
2011-11-21 20:41:32 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: @Scott I've heard that yoga balls are great in the classroom :-) That's a different concept that kush balls though.
2011-11-21 20:41:45 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I would love to see that dissertation!
2011-11-21 20:41:58 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: she's still finishing course work
2011-11-21 20:42:06 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: take a look at Western KY
2011-11-21 20:42:09 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: does she blog?
2011-11-21 20:42:13 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: no
2011-11-21 20:42:28 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: do you have a link for Western KY?
2011-11-21 20:42:30 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: W KY has a very interesting program - mentoring
2011-11-21 20:42:42 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: i don't - i'm waiting to get more info from her
2011-11-21 20:42:47 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: we all know that saying the same things over and over doesn't really change anything
2011-11-21 20:43:13 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Yardsticks by Chip Wood
2011-11-21 20:43:21 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I love that book Maria!
2011-11-21 20:43:22 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: nope - we have to coach
2011-11-21 20:43:25 [Message] beatrice2011 -> EdTechTalk: Yardsticks is a great book!!
2011-11-21 20:44:03 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: i wonder sometimes if i'm the only person who looks at the floor :-)
2011-11-21 20:44:13 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: funny Cheri!
2011-11-21 20:45:09 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: :)
2011-11-21 20:45:19 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 20:46:28 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: you are definitely talking about some of the differences between 4th and 5th graders (not to excuse it)
2011-11-21 20:46:38 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: This is another great book - a classic. Teaching Children to Care
2011-11-21 20:46:53 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: In Iceland, they remove their outside shoes at the door then go in socks or 'slippers' or indoor shoes.
2011-11-21 20:46:58 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: natural consequences???
2011-11-21 20:47:02 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: Didn't the kids in Ginger Lewman's school take care of all of the custodial duties?
2011-11-21 20:47:20 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I think that is so important!! logical consequences
2011-11-21 20:47:29 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: yes Scott
2011-11-21 20:47:31 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: In Japan - we had house shoes for school and our outside shoes that we would wear home - even had a special room for the shoes.
2011-11-21 20:47:47 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: but homework isn't a punishment for wrong doing
2011-11-21 20:49:04 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: it's true that different cultures may have different values but don't you think all cultures value respect?
2011-11-21 20:49:17 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Lisa, you have to help them learn our culture so that they are successful.
2011-11-21 20:49:41 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: I agree, Cheri, which is why I teach in America...
2011-11-21 20:49:48 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: I see the taking responsibility issue is non-age related
2011-11-21 20:49:50 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I remember you talking about your classroom norms Sheila! That is a great way to do it!
2011-11-21 20:50:18 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I agree Cheri! We start teaching toddlers about taking responsibility for putting their toys away and cleaning up their messes.
2011-11-21 20:50:22 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Look at who our students (PK-20+) see every day on TV - "Winning" Charlie Sheen - sheesh
2011-11-21 20:50:38 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: But Peggy...does every mother teach that?
2011-11-21 20:50:43 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: the kids in Angela's presentation for the Sandbox Manifesto talk about it
2011-11-21 20:50:50 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: I have kids who tell me the maid cleans up after them.
2011-11-21 20:50:58 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: I tell them we have no maid in school.
2011-11-21 20:51:11 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: even if parents don't all teach it, many do and teachers must!
2011-11-21 20:51:24 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Lisa, you are not their maid
2011-11-21 20:51:35 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: for sure
2011-11-21 20:51:46 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: The unwritten curriculum is often the most important. 
2011-11-21 20:51:47 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: it's exhausting to deal with all that
2011-11-21 20:52:11 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Slides for the Sandbox Manifest
2011-11-21 20:52:17 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Yes, Scott...the curriculum we don't test.
2011-11-21 20:52:55 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: "Hugs help and smiles matter" one of the tenets in Sandbox Manifesto
2011-11-21 20:53:11 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Love it , Peggy!
2011-11-21 20:53:24 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: :-)
2011-11-21 20:53:57 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I also love this one: Strangers are friends in waiting. (sort of a take-off on the golden rule)
2011-11-21 20:54:12 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: like pocket book? :D 
2011-11-21 20:54:19 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: yes!
2011-11-21 20:54:21 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: old fashioned that is
2011-11-21 20:54:21 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Nice!
2011-11-21 20:54:32 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: I wear a hat on bad hair days
2011-11-21 20:54:40 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: @Scott I really agree with your point about the unwritten curriculum
2011-11-21 20:54:41 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: to the gym every morning
2011-11-21 20:54:50 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: I never have bad hair days. 
2011-11-21 20:54:59 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: hahahaha Scott
2011-11-21 20:56:26 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: another Sandbox Manifesto tenet: Take it to the community. If students aren't following the norms they agreed to they need to discuss it again and decide if it's important or not
2011-11-21 20:57:00 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Where are you getting these tenets, Peggy. I think I missed something.
2011-11-21 20:57:16 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: talking isn't always the best way to communicate it--they need to experience it
2011-11-21 20:57:16 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: A universal [i]anything[/i] fits [i]nothing[/i] well. 
2011-11-21 20:57:35 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: How did I already know that, Lisa
2011-11-21 20:57:37 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: those are the tenets from Angela Maiers' pre-conference keynote for K12 Online
2011-11-21 20:57:44 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Scott...Universal Design is a bit different.
2011-11-21 20:57:48 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: link is in chat--do you want me to post again?
2011-11-21 20:58:18 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: I was refering to whole-school rules. 
2011-11-21 20:58:31 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 20:58:31 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: @Peggy - I'll get it.
2011-11-21 20:58:36 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: thanks
2011-11-21 20:59:05 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Yes, Scott, it's true.
2011-11-21 20:59:06 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: that's her blog post where she also shares the slideshare with her presentation slides. but her videos of kids playing in the sandbox are priceless!
2011-11-21 20:59:50 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: yes, universal design doesn't mean the same thing for everyone but it says you need to make sure no kids are left out
2011-11-21 21:00:40 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: that's funny Lisa!
2011-11-21 21:01:31 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: whew!!! @Lisa I was afraid you were thinking it wasn't important to teach about character education
2011-11-21 21:01:32 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: just clicked on Angela's link above & my virus program came back with a "known threat" on that page--phoenix exploit kit.   ??
2011-11-21 21:01:48 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: that's strange
2011-11-21 21:01:52 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I'm on the page right now
2011-11-21 21:02:02 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: sounds like a popup from something
2011-11-21 21:02:15 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: Hmmm..better go scan and see what the deal is. 
2011-11-21 21:02:21 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: No, Peggy, just frustrating
2011-11-21 21:02:22 [Message] connect2jamie -> EdTechTalk: Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
2011-11-21 21:02:25 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: the conference actually starts next Monday but today was the pre-conference keynote
2011-11-21 21:02:28 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: :-)
2011-11-21 21:02:45 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Don't give up - I'll get some of your students in the future! ;) 
2011-11-21 21:02:49 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: I agree!! thanks for the great conversation and all of the links!
2011-11-21 21:02:55 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: love it Cheri! so true!
2011-11-21 21:02:59 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 21:03:04 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: and they will all grow up to be parents!
2011-11-21 21:03:10 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Happy Thanksgiving!!! 
2011-11-21 21:03:10 [Message] Scott Shelhart (@kd9sr) -> EdTechTalk: Thanks for a great show. 
2011-11-21 21:03:25 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: what conference is next week?
2011-11-21 21:03:31 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Thanks Lisa, Maria, Sheila
2011-11-21 21:03:36 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: Nh tech conferenc
2011-11-21 21:03:39 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: e
2011-11-21 21:03:40 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: NH
2011-11-21 21:03:44 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: aha! are you streaming anything?
2011-11-21 21:03:52 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 21:03:54 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: hmmmmmm/
2011-11-21 21:04:05 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: not sure.
2011-11-21 21:04:15 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: pretty please!!! would love to be part of even one thing at the conference :-)
2011-11-21 21:04:15 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: Hey, I'll be teaching undergrads on Monday nights beginning in January
2011-11-21 21:04:20 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Mya try.
2011-11-21 21:04:27 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: maybe I could have them ask you all some questions one night
2011-11-21 21:04:29 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: oh no Cheri!!! we'll miss you!
2011-11-21 21:04:32 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: may
2011-11-21 21:04:35 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> EdTechTalk: Bye
2011-11-21 21:04:37 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: that's a terrific idea!!!
2011-11-21 21:04:43 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: bye
2011-11-21 21:04:44 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: let them get on the skype call!
2011-11-21 21:04:49 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: bye all!!
2011-11-21 21:04:53 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: That's what I was thinking Peggy
2011-11-21 21:04:57 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: absolutely!!!!
2011-11-21 21:05:05 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: we'll have some questions for them too :-)
2011-11-21 21:05:10 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: i have 25 and most are el ed pre-service
2011-11-21 21:05:29 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: that's perfect!
2011-11-21 21:05:30 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: some early childhood, middle level, and high school
2011-11-21 21:05:41 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: they could learn a lot from listening
2011-11-21 21:05:53 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: i'll figure out where it fits best in the semester
2011-11-21 21:05:53 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: they could talk about a topic like the one tonight that's not grade specific :-)
2011-11-21 21:05:59 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: yes
2011-11-21 21:06:00 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: great!!!
2011-11-21 21:06:15 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: have them listen to a recording first before they come on the show
2011-11-21 21:06:15 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: talk with you soon, Peggy
2011-11-21 21:06:20 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: you too Cheri
2011-11-21 21:06:21 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: good idea
2011-11-21 21:06:22 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: @cheri - would love to have some of those undergrads visit the class blog and give us some comments.
2011-11-21 21:06:32 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: what's the url?
2011-11-21 21:06:32 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: great idea Maria!!!
2011-11-21 21:06:38 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: we could have bloggging buddies!
2011-11-21 21:06:39 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: authentic learning experiences
2011-11-21 21:06:47 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 21:06:47 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: they don't start until January 25
2011-11-21 21:06:54 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: very cool
2011-11-21 21:06:59 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: i'll work it into the course
2011-11-21 21:07:01 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk:
2011-11-21 21:07:09 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: perfect!
2011-11-21 21:07:15 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: that's okay - would like to develop some relationships
2011-11-21 21:07:17 [Message] PeggyG -> EdTechTalk: Happy Thanksgiving to all
2011-11-21 21:07:30 [Message] mariak -> EdTechTalk: gobble gobble
2011-11-21 21:07:40 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: you all too!!
2011-11-21 21:07:53 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: sounds great Maria
2011-11-21 21:08:05 [Message] Sheila -> EdTechTalk: Thanks everyone!
2011-11-21 21:08:22 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: maria, aren't you kindergarten?
2011-11-21 21:08:33 [Message] Cheri T -> EdTechTalk: your students i mean LOL

This week, during our new Monday night time, we discussed Character Education.  As educators, we recognize the importance of teaching values but sometimes feel we are fighting an uphill battle.  How do we keep it going? 

Conversations Episode 111 - Evaluating Teachers

Conversations #111
November 6, 2011

After a bit of a rocky start due to issues with LiveStream, today's Conversation was about how teachers should be evaluated. What is the ideal teacher evaluation method? What should be done? How would you like to be evaluated?  Many different points of view were shared in the chat room and by Lisa, Maria and Sheila. Listen and find out what everyone was talking about.

Conversations #111
November 6, 2011

After a bit of a rocky start due to issues with LiveStream, today's Conversation was about how teachers should be evaluated. What is the ideal teacher evaluation method? What should be done? How would you like to be evaluated?  Many different points of view were shared in the chat room and by Lisa, Maria and Sheila. Listen and find out what everyone was talking about.

Conversations Episode 110 - Changes for Librarians

This week Joyce Valenza and CathyJo Nelson joined us for a conversation about libraries and the new role of the librarian.


Lisa Parisi: Hello

Sheila: Hello

rbuckhoff: Good morning

MariaK: hello

pgeorge: Good morning :-)

Lisa Parisi: Good morning Peggy

edtechtalk: Hi all!

Sheila: Ok now me

Lisa Parisi: We are here.

pgeorge: seeing and hearing now :-)

rbuckhoff: me too!

Lisa Parisi: Click on the little play button on the bottom to see and hear our show

connect2jamie: hi all! Happy Sunday!

pgeorge: K12 Online conference is eager to do a conversation with you to announce plans for this year, Have you been contacted yet?

pgeorge: yes!! photos!!

pgeorge: what a beautiful place for a wedding!

CathyJo: hello--still tuggling to getin

CathyJo: struggling

Lisa Parisi: Answer skype. That's where the sound is.

CathyJo: LOL does it not figure the media specialist is struggling?

Lisa Parisi: LOL

pgeorge: can you use autostitch for that on ipad?

Rebecca Buckhoff: My nikon camera will do time lapse.  Use the delay photo settings to set it up.

Sheila: Topic today is the future of libraries.

pgeorge: it stitches multiple pics together

Sheila: We can hear you CAthy Jo!

pgeorge: great topic!!

joycevalenza: sorry, we lost power and cable!

Cathy E: Cathy E- hello all

pgeorge: welcome Cathy and Joyce! Great to hear from both of you!!

Sheila: Morning all!

CathyJo: agreed

CathyJo: librarian is not going away

connect2jamie: In TX librarians must be teachers first, have 3 yrs classroom experience and a Master's in Library Science. Our certication is called a Learning Resources Endorsement.

connect2jamie: I like the term teacher-librarian.

CathyJo: SC required a teaching degree first

connect2jamie: We do not have computer tchrs at the elementary level.

Rebecca Buckhoff: I am an elementary teacher working on my master's in instructional media.  CA does not require a bachelors degree for a school librarian.

CathyJo: it varies from district to district re tech teacher

connect2jamie: Wow! Not even a bachelor's degree?

Cathy E: I am called a technology facilitator -

Sheila: I know of one district that went from no tech teachers to librarians and now they have switched back, tech teacher/librarian. Staffing issues. Now they have to do all for one person.

Rebecca Buckhoff: I know the librarian at my school is working on her bachelors right now.

Cathy E: There is a tech facilitator at each of our schools - but the job VARIES a lot between schools

connect2jamie: Great point @CathyJo! I started a master's degree in edtech and gave it up b/c I found that my mindset is very library-centric. I just love edtech on top of htat!

connect2jamie: that

pgeorge: do you find teachers view you differently based on your title? I love the title Teacher Librarian.

CathyJo: Joyce!! HOOK ME UP!!

Rebecca Buckhoff: My students increased the amount they were reading dramatically when I start a book chat on Edmodo.

connect2jamie: @pgeorge YES! When I first came to my school, I frequently got the question, "You have to have a degree to be a librarian? You have taught before?"  We don't get that ? as much anymore.

pgeorge: Great way to do it Rebecca!

Cathy E: What was the grade level of kids reading those books

pgeorge: Thanks Jamie

Rebecca Buckhoff: I teach a 4/5 combo

Lisa Parisi: Rebecca, I have book groups on Edmodo too.  Would love to have you join my fourth graders.

MariaK: Cathy Jo and Joyce - links to your library sites, please.

Sheila: Good point Cathy Jo! Many facets.


connect2jamie: You are right @Lisa. There is a huge push in many districts, including mine, that values nonfiction reading and research, and de-values fiction literature.

MariaK: thanx

connect2jamie: I find that I have to kind of help teachers "sneak" literature in.

Cathy E: That is a perfect solution

Cathy E: I'm going to school tomorrow and suggest that

Lisa Parisi: Wow, Jamie.  That's sad.

joycevalenza: What a beautiful partnership!

pgeorge: excellent advice!!

joycevalenza: I think that's true everywhere

Cathy E: So I have another question...were kids allowed to come in anytime druing the day to check in/out books?  Who checked them in?

joycevalenza: eeek!

joycevalenza: 4th grade is the best time to grab young readers!!!!

connect2jamie: Yes. Lots of excerpts being read & studied at elem level, but no whole works in the curriculum. In fact, on each wk's ELA curriculum, it states something about no novel studies are in the curriculum.

Rebecca Buckhoff: Our librarian reads to the kids, teaches library skills and incorporates comprehension activities.  Not much research in the library.

connect2jamie: In library time, I try try TRY to do activities that promote leisure reading, but there is more and more research/digital citzenship curriculum prescribed for us, and the literature piece is

Rebecca Buckhoff: I emphasize teaching internet research skills and incorporate that with book research.

connect2jamie: definitely in danger of being lost. '

Cathy E: @Rebecca that is the way it is at my school- but there is a full time assistant.

CathyJo: I know several teacher librarians/media specialist who have never spent  adya in the classroom who are successful

Sheila: I love our librarian. She knows most people's tastes in books. She also works in unit development with teams and individuals. She is also our whole school event planner, ie one book, one school, etc.

CathyJo: good idea!!

connect2jamie: @CathyJo Yes I do too, b/c some states do not requre it. I have a friend from PA that is in that boat.

Cathy E: A good teacher is a teacher no matter the title

joycevalenza: This makes me so sad!

Cathy E: @ Shelia does she teach scheduled classes so the teachers can hame planning?

connect2jamie: @MariaK that is a realistic worry, I think.

Sheila: No scheduled classes but she will co-teach.

Rebecca Buckhoff: Ours isn't prep.  We go for an hour every other week.  It varies at every school.  The library is also open during recess every day if kids finish their books.

connect2jamie: Yes! Reading good literature helps develop writers! That is why it makes no sense to de-value it!

connect2jamie: Standardized tests is what happened, imo.

CathyJo: probably @Jamie

CathyJo: another battle!!!

connect2jamie: I think in many cases, it is the tchr-librarian that is trying to keep the literature and the storytelling IN children's lives!

connect2jamie: Levelled books are the bane of my existence!

CathyJo: i have refused to leel books in any library Ive worked in

CathyJo: lveleing is an invasion of privacy

Rebecca Buckhoff: Leveled books make kids choose books based on their level rather than their interest.

connect2jamie: A levelled library is an obscene perversion of a school library program.

CathyJo: why cant upper grade kids check out beloved books even tho wrong level?

Lisa Parisi: They can Cathy but they have been brainwashed not to.

Rebecca Buckhoff: Interest based reading makes kids BETTER readers.

Sheila: Does leveling take the place of staff who could do this with children individually.

CathyJo: leveling is an instructional tool not a selection tool

CathyJo: if a class is studying an authors craft, who cares the leel?

CathyJo: level

connect2jamie: I fight that all the time, @CathyJo--teachers are soooo pressured to think only about reading levels, and I am always pushing to let kids have at least SOME books that they choose--regardless of level

connect2jamie: @CathyJo. I'm going to write that down and use it! Levelling is an instructional tool and not a selection tool. Students should have the opportunity to select what they want to read.

connect2jamie: Students obviously also need to have instructionally appropriate choices too. I try to provide an opportunity for kids to have both.

CathyJo: Picture books have there place in the high school too

connect2jamie: I used picture books all the time--a million years ago, when I was a middle school math teacher!

connect2jamie: Tumblebooks is the most popular e-book type resource with my students. PebbleGo is a nonfiction primary level multimedia resource that is very popular too.

CathyJo: why an e picture book for the librarian? Use a doc camera

Rebecca Buckhoff: My daughter is a reluctant reader, but I get her to read every night when she uses my kindle.

CathyJo: i did use even a camera on a tripod to show the pics on the screen bigscreen styl

CathyJo: style

CathyJo: swweeeeeettt

CathyJo: our high school kids REALLY respond tp book trialers

CathyJo: trailees

connect2jamie: Yes our students love to watch and create book trailers and audio book reviews too. Time is a factor though. I work w them to create them before/after school, but it's not optimal.

Sheila: How do you envision school libraries in 10 years? Especially with technology changes.

Sheila: How much will the services change?

CathyJo: you will always need the librarian even ten years from now because we are the ones that bring our teachers to where the kids are!!

Cathy E: North Carolina does a great job of having all those resources listed in one place for us

CathyJo: amen

Sheila: In our discussion, we envisioned public libraries as open public spaces as we move towards resources on our own devices.

Rebecca Buckhoff: downloading emescatalog app right now.

Lisa Parisi:

Rebecca Buckhoff: ok that was not he right thing to download.  ignore last post.

CathyJo: we serve not only students, but admin, faculty, staff, and even parents who have inforamtion needs or need to learn new things

CathyJo: my teachers constantly tell me how much they personally learned just by being a bystander in a class Im conducting for kids

CathyJo: In our distirct we do goals based education for recertification, making teachers choose PD for recert.  My teachers have demanded that i offer courses on various topics for gbe.

CathyJo: SO i am doing a one tool at a time series this year

CathyJo: i throw out the topic--they show up

CathyJo: many of these have immediate application in a classroom

CathyJo: it generates significantly more collaboration, as teachers want to implement, but with hep.

Cathy E: @CathyJo - my teachers are required to come to the lab with their kids when I'm teaching.  That way everybody is in the loop.

CathyJo: great session!!

CathyJo: Lisa that is so sad.

CathyJo: Does she not promote the state book awards in the least??

CathyJo: our library has 100-150 kids each morning

CathyJo: before school

CathyJo: we also have a full house (half the mornign crew) during lunches.

CathyJo: of course u should know we have 2500+ kids

Rebecca Buckhoff: I spent large amounts of my free time as a child in the public library.

Sheila: We have a piano in the library ( middle school), a recording "studio", comfy chairs. We even hatch chicks there. More than books!

CathyJo: Hi MAria!!

CathyJo: :)

connect2jamie: yes--thanks so much for hosting this topic this week!

CathyJo: Gotta go everyone--great as always

Cathy E: great job - I learned so much!

connect2jamie: Thanks CathyJo and Joyce!

Lisa Parisi:

Lisa Parisi: Bye everyone!

connect2jamie: Have a great week, everyone!

Rebecca Buckhoff: Bye!

pgeorge: This has been a great conversation! Thanks to all of you!

This week Joyce Valenza and CathyJo Nelson joined us for a conversation about libraries and the new role of the librarian.


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