ETT21 #135: Jonathan E. Martin on Building the 21st Century School

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21st Century Learning #135Jonathan E. Martin
June 15, 2010
Jonathan E. Martin on Building the 21st Century School


Jonathan E. Martin, Head of School at St. Gregory College Preparatory School in Tucson, Arizona joined us to reflect on his first year.  We discussed how Tony Wagner's Global Achievement Gap has framed the work he is doing with his faculty.  Jonathan led us through a number of assessments that St. Gregory is using to measure how collaborative, creative, and engaged his students are at St. Gregory.  Interested in the 21st Century School, this is definitely one version! 

What a way to close out another another great year of podcasting.

Thanks to everyone for listening.  We'll see you all in September. 

<Chat Transcript>

 13:55:25  fredbartels -> Room 1: Hi Sarah.
 13:56:08  fredbartels -> Room 1: Hi Jonathan. I enjoy reading your blog.
 13:58:07  Jonathan Martin -> Room 1: Hi Fred, Hi Sarah. 
 13:58:21  Jonathan Martin -> Room 1: New job Sarah?   Is that right?
 13:59:51  fbartels -> Room 1: Hey Alex... how's the iPad?
 14:00:44  alex.ragone -> Room 1: Hello Everyone!
 14:01:20  fbartels -> Room 1: getting an echo here
 14:02:40  sarah h -> Room 1: hi--Just getting used to my new nettbook
 14:02:45  sarah h -> Room 1: netbook
 14:03:12  sarah h -> Room 1: although a nettbook sounds cute
 14:03:22  fbartels -> Room 1: Sarah, Have you started at your new school?
 14:04:27  sarah h -> Room 1: not yet--although I went to a meeting yesterday that was really exciting and got me over my graduation weepies :)
 14:04:47  fbartels -> Room 1: Hey Matt
 14:05:34  sarah h -> Room 1: I bought a 299 netbook at costco yesterday to use when I give up my tablet.  Been interesting!
 14:05:35  fbartels -> Room 1: Sarah.. end of year is hard enough without changing schools.
 14:06:16  sarah h -> Room 1: @fred--true that!  Hope yours is going well :)  Or are you done already
 14:06:21  matt montagne -> Room 1: hey all
 14:07:00  sarah h -> Room 1: JM is hard to hear--is it my costco netbook?
 14:07:06  fbartels -> Room 1: Kids graduated on Friday... just tieing together loose ends.
 14:07:17  alex.ragone -> Room 1: Hi Folks!
 14:07:26  fbartels -> Room 1: Sound is good here.
 14:08:15  matt montagne -> Room 1: to me two '21st c skills' are ethics, empathy, and entreprenuership
 14:08:30  matt montagne -> Room 1: I think of the ethical breakdown with BP in the Gulf
 14:08:41  sarah h -> Room 1: @matt--yes!
 14:09:02  matt montagne -> Room 1: *not just BP in the gulf of course
 14:09:45  fbartels -> Room 1: Question for Jon. How do other heads react to your strong use of Web 2.0 tools?
 14:10:05  sarah h -> Room 1: I'll second the question
 14:10:19  alex.ragone -> Room 1:
 14:10:36  sarah h -> Room 1: same question with CWRA
 14:10:54  alex.ragone -> Room 1: Lots of assessments that align the curriculum with 21st century skills.
 14:11:03  matt montagne -> Room 1: nice article here on striking a balance between consumption and creation:
 14:11:54  fbartels -> Room 1: Hi Bill... overwhelmed yet?
 14:12:12  Brandon_ttg -> Room 1: Hey
 14:12:24  alex.ragone -> Room 1: Reinventing Project Based Learning:
 14:12:28  alex.ragone -> Room 1: Hello Brandon.
 14:12:35  sarah h -> Room 1: And how do you define ready?  How do you convince that if you wait until ready, you'll never. . .
 14:14:03  wstites -> Room 1: I think the big this is that when people hear Problem Based Learing or any other teaching model they questions the professional development behind it
 14:14:09  wstites -> Room 1: and the what's going to give
 14:14:27  wstites -> Room 1: what else are you "doing" that this is going to be added to or replaced
 14:14:28  matt montagne -> Room 1: for Jonathan-time is always the number 1 identified barrier for the development of professional learning teams. How have you addressed this?? Have you changed the traditional meetings which focus on operations to allow for organic learning communities to emerge??
 14:15:00  wstites -> Room 1: (Sorry for all the typos, still jet lagged from Ireland)
 14:15:45  matt montagne -> Room 1: PBL, laptop learning, etc are all things that require teacher collaboration for maxium effectiveness. How are you providing the infrastructure for this to happen??
 14:16:43  matt montagne -> Room 1: I'd like to see us provide more opportunities for true "team teaching." eg, 2-3 teachers in the classroom as the same time facilitating (not 2-3 teachers rotating through teaching duties)
 14:16:46  wstites -> Room 1: Twitter is one of the best tools for professional development and being able to see people are thinking within disciplines
 14:16:52  alex.ragone -> Room 1: Jonathan's blog: and on Twitter:
 14:17:31  alex.ragone -> Room 1: Critical Friends Groups:
 14:17:44  matt montagne -> Room 1: I like the "friends" model...we need more "non-evaluative" teacher support structures
 14:17:45  sarah h -> Room 1: @matt it is hard to do.  Mosaic of thought describes some good teaming (not a new book).
 14:18:10  alex.ragone -> Room 1: St. Gregory works with Tony Wagner:
 14:18:31  matt montagne -> Room 1: @sarah h...the stanford design school is really doing some interesting things in the area of multidisciplinary teacher collaboration
 14:19:27  matt montagne -> Room 1: the will have 3-5 professors from totally different disciplines facilitating a 10 week class...they truly team and collaborate-eg, they don't rotate teaching duties by taking certain weeks like we tend to see.
 14:21:01  matt montagne -> Room 1: what is really hard is that teachers like to create repeatable projects...this almost seems to be the aim and focus in some cases
 14:21:15  alex.ragone -> Room 1: St. Gregory Students Discussing the College Work Readiness Exam:
 14:21:17  matt montagne -> Room 1: not that repeatable projects are bad, but they tend to lack authenticity
 14:22:21  matt montagne -> Room 1: how do the students react at St. Gregory?? Many of our students actually prepare prepackaged into in a textbook, the college driven curriculum, APs, etc
 14:22:58  matt montagne -> Room 1: *prefer instead of prepare
 14:23:12  matt montagne -> Room 1: *info instead of into
 14:23:18  matt montagne -> Room 1: wow, my typing is horrible
 14:23:20  sarah h -> Room 1: oops--sorry, fingers failing me on this keyboard.  I wish I had done some more research on why some collaborations duirng the early years of 1:1 worked and others involved alternate teaching instead of co-teaching
 14:23:48  alex.ragone -> Room 1: Periods 75 minutes and every other day @ St. Gregory
 14:23:59  fbartels -> Room 1: Jon... Can you paint your vision of how, ideally, your school will be significantly different five years out?
 14:24:04  alex.ragone -> Room 1: 100% Direct Instruction impossible in 75 minute blogs. 
 14:24:14  alex.ragone -> Room 1: Great one, fred. 
 14:25:15  matt montagne -> Room 1: what would happen if schools like ours, for 1-2 days each week," didn't schedule ANY classes???
 14:26:13  alex.ragone -> Room 1: @matt -- that's 20% google time.
 14:26:53  sarah h -> Room 1: A lot of schools have week-long (or longer for seniors) project weeks.  All week on one project that students choose.
 14:27:00  fbartels -> Room 1: Matt, I would love to try this with the kids determining the content for the 20% as at Google.
 14:27:07  matt montagne -> Room 1: @alex...I wonder if a less rigid school schedule is in our future...the kind of learning that we talk about doesn't fit well into 50 minute blocks (or even 75)
 14:27:22  sarah h -> Room 1: @alex--yeah google time!  What if we asked teachers to use 20% of class time to try out ideas?
 14:28:10  sarah h -> Room 1: @Matt as a prelude to blowing up the schedule?
 14:28:13  matt montagne -> Room 1: sort of gets at Pink's bit on 'autonomy' . For the most part, kids have near zero autonomy right is no wonder why learning experiences that are highly ambiguous are often a challenge for kids
 14:28:54  fbartels -> Room 1: Jonathan... sounds like a great vision...I'd love to teach there!
 14:29:18  matt montagne -> Room 1: @sarah...perhaps...our schools have these committees that evaluate the schedule for two years and at the end of the evaluation, they might tweak the schedule by adding 5 minutes here, adding a block me it is going to require something dramatically different
 14:29:25  matt montagne -> Room 1: nice job, jonathan!
 14:29:30  sarah h -> Room 1: Can't wait to share the audio of this one--I've been going back to listen to old eps
 14:29:40  sarah h -> Room 1: Thanks Jonathan--great show!
 14:29:42  matt montagne -> Room 1: Another great season of 21st C learning!!!!
 14:29:51  fbartels -> Room 1: @Matt.. completely agree!
 14:30:15  sarah h -> Room 1: @Bill--how are you doing?
 14:31:13  fbartels -> Room 1: Not to downplay Alex's 23 iPads, but yeah Bill, how are you doing with 1000 MacBooks?
 14:31:34  sarah h -> Room 1: @fred--I was going to say it. .  .
 14:32:13  fbartels -> Room 1: Alex and Arvind, Thanks as always! Off to watch a little N Korea/Brazil action.
 14:33:21  wstites -> Room 1: @Sarah h - Good
 14:33:23  wstites -> Room 1: busy
 14:34:34  sarah h -> Room 1: its a fun time!  try to keep some minimal blog journal--you'll love looking back at it!
 14:35:22  sarah h -> Room 1: bye!

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