Conversations Episode 21

Post-Show description: 

Maria Knee and Lisa Parisi hosted a conversation this week about dress codes for teachers and staff.  They were joined by Lisa Durff and Angela Maiers.

Chat Archive:

2008-12-28 11:24:23 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Lisa
2008-12-28 11:25:13 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Peggy
2008-12-28 11:25:16 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Welcome
2008-12-28 11:27:12 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Stream should be on...can someone check the sound please.
2008-12-28 11:27:16 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Here's a great link for the topic today-teacher dress code-might provide some points to ask questions about :-)
2008-12-28 11:27:52 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: hearing you fine
2008-12-28 11:28:44 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: where am i looking for sound?
2008-12-28 11:28:56 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: ETT-A
2008-12-28 11:28:57 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Durff!
2008-12-28 11:29:01 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: hi
2008-12-28 11:29:33 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: ok-mini challenging me - i;ll try that
2008-12-28 11:30:52 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff did it work? click on one of the 3 icons.
2008-12-28 11:30:55 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: audio stong
2008-12-28 11:31:00 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: strong
2008-12-28 11:31:14 [Message] JL -> -EdTechTalk: got rid of the 'currently streaming' feature on the listen page because it results in the page not loading if there's any problems with the streams
2008-12-28 11:31:16 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: some one twitter
2008-12-28 11:31:20 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: We are a bit giddy here today...
2008-12-28 11:31:21 [Message] JL -> -EdTechTalk: makes for a lighter load
2008-12-28 11:32:28 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i don
2008-12-28 11:32:32 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: tarrg
2008-12-28 11:33:02 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i don't think the headset came to pa with me
2008-12-28 11:33:13 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i'll go look
2008-12-28 11:34:20 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: ANyone want to join skype chat?
2008-12-28 11:34:39 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: true
2008-12-28 11:35:37 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: agreee Maria
2008-12-28 11:36:40 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: i would like pantz
2008-12-28 11:36:46 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: pants
2008-12-28 11:36:59 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I don't worry too much about what others wear--I wonder about floks who teach PE in high heels, though.
2008-12-28 11:37:08 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: All of my kndergarten teachers always wore some kind of apron or coverall to save their clothes. :-)
2008-12-28 11:37:22 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: i wear those too!
2008-12-28 11:37:27 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I've changed over the years. Used to do the CT housewife thing- jumper; or khakis and a nice sweater, etc. When my job changed to science/computer I started wearing jeans every day. I sometimes end up crawling around in funny places and/or hauling equipment.
2008-12-28 11:37:31 [Message] pam mcleod -> -EdTechTalk: you know, clothes are regional, as well.  Here in New England, it's more formal than where I was raised in Wyoming.
2008-12-28 11:37:47 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: as long as teachers avoid seasonal sweaters.....
2008-12-28 11:37:54 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: so tacky
2008-12-28 11:37:55 [Message] pam mcleod -> -EdTechTalk: Agree with Maureen, wish I could wear jeans most days
2008-12-28 11:38:07 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Ha! What? no snowman sweaters?
2008-12-28 11:38:22 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: @pam - NH more formal
2008-12-28 11:38:35 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: exactly no snowman sweaters with fuzzy cotton balls and antlers....also no jack-o-latern ones at holloweeen.  They are fire hazards
2008-12-28 11:38:47 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @pam-I agree! clothing issues are very different in different climates--as a principal in AZ I always had to deal with teachers wearing shorts on revealng tops in hot weather
2008-12-28 11:38:50 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: Our kids cannot wear sweatpants to school. Our school has a dress code- practical, no holes, no sweats, no camo, etc..
2008-12-28 11:38:55 [Message] pam mcleod -> -EdTechTalk: @Maria MUCH more formal in NH!  New Englanders seem to be more "proper"
2008-12-28 11:39:02 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy but kids love them :)
2008-12-28 11:39:45 [Message] pam mcleod -> -EdTechTalk: I feel that new, clean jeans should be okay anywhere!  But that's the Wyo girl in me, possibly
2008-12-28 11:39:46 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: do they jan?  do they?  i remember being accidentally stabbed by my third grade teachers antlers hanging off her sweater.  The scar cuts deep.
2008-12-28 11:39:51 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: My doctors have no dress code.. wear whatever they are comfortable with
2008-12-28 11:39:53 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I had to provide lots of education for my student teachers to prepare them for appropriate professional dress including whether to expose tattoos, nose rings/lip rings, etc.
2008-12-28 11:40:08 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: just kidding.
2008-12-28 11:40:08 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy---oh the HORROR!
2008-12-28 11:40:18 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: to this day reindeer scare me
2008-12-28 11:40:25 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: but they tast earily similar to beef
2008-12-28 11:40:26 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: I am much more productive on dress down day
2008-12-28 11:40:48 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy :)
2008-12-28 11:40:49 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Morning Friends!
2008-12-28 11:40:52 [Message] pam mcleod -> -EdTechTalk: oh that's awful!  Like high school all over again
2008-12-28 11:40:57 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I had an assistant once who wore tight tops, lowcut- I didn't like it, thought it looked awful.
2008-12-28 11:41:00 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Hey Angela
2008-12-28 11:41:14 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Durff!
2008-12-28 11:41:28 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Harry Wong takes a very strong position about dressing professionally and the respect you gain from doing so
2008-12-28 11:41:38 [Message] pam mcleod -> -EdTechTalk: we have an admin asst who wears hotpants/leggings on vacation days - awful
2008-12-28 11:41:54 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: PeggyG- I agree-it signals professionalism
2008-12-28 11:42:09 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: the high school i work at requrires all the male faculty members to wear shirts and ties...... no one minds. .   the women are expected to dress professionally. ....  I don't really know what that means...
2008-12-28 11:42:13 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Now, I worry less about what people wear--but I have a concern with clevage
2008-12-28 11:42:21 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: It does not need to be a dress and heels, it is about professional attire
2008-12-28 11:42:35 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: what does professional atire mean for women faculty?
2008-12-28 11:42:38 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @jan smith- I agree- on my MS students and teachers
2008-12-28 11:42:43 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: for men it is simple:  shirt and tie
2008-12-28 11:43:13 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: You can wear jeans and still be professional
2008-12-28 11:43:28 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk:  this is a good summary of teacher dress code issues called "Dress for Success"
2008-12-28 11:43:29 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: My doctor had on years when I went to see him last week
2008-12-28 11:43:30 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @Cathy, agreed
2008-12-28 11:43:33 [Message] pam mcleod -> -EdTechTalk: @cathy E and aren't people better on the job if they are comfortable?
2008-12-28 11:43:40 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: I don't like to think of teachers or students as "sexual beings"... my 8th and 9th graders laughed when I told them that.
2008-12-28 11:43:56 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: we usually dress up for events we find important.  Easter Sunday, fancy dinner etc.  What is more important than educating kids?  Thus we should dress up.  Sends the message that what we do is important. 
2008-12-28 11:43:58 [Message] pam mcleod -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen LOL
2008-12-28 11:44:37 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: If your clothes are distracting, it is a problem
2008-12-28 11:44:46 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: Like the link for dressing for success. Thanks!
2008-12-28 11:45:14 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @ Maureen. I think there is also what is culturally appropriate for your c ommunity
2008-12-28 11:45:25 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: One district turned to McDonald’s and Disney to find that they hold employees to higher standards of dress the we hold teachers.
2008-12-28 11:45:41 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ PeggyG.  that's classic
2008-12-28 11:46:18 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: This was our policy--Employees must always consider that their employment places them in the position of role models for students.  The Governing Board expects the dress and appearance of certificated and support personnel to be professional in nature and to set a standard for student attire.  Although employees have the basic freedom to express their individuality, basic expectations must be met.  Staff members are expected to observe standards of dress and grooming appropriate for a professional in a school setting.
2008-12-28 11:46:28 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @ maria Sounds like we have the same dress code
2008-12-28 11:46:40 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I also ask my kids not to wear shirts that have anti-school attitude
2008-12-28 11:46:43 [Message] mclobridge -> -EdTechTalk: To me, it's all about how we want our students to see us. I want mine to see me as a professional -- so I dress professionally, no jeans.
2008-12-28 11:46:59 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: one local principal actually held a fashion show for her teachers to learn to dress professionally.  It went over like a lead balloon.  She isn't around anymore
2008-12-28 11:47:26 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy so disrespectful
2008-12-28 11:47:35 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: i wish youtube was around then..... that would have been a riot on the web
2008-12-28 11:47:36 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy that is hilarious
2008-12-28 11:47:39 [Message] daibarnes -> -EdTechTalk: dressing professionally to me is full suit and tie, leather shoes polished etc. is this not standard school dress in USA?
2008-12-28 11:47:39 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: Teaching is a profession and we should dress as professionals. Does not mean Coat and tie for men but it does mean dress pants and collared shirt. Women need to dress so that then do not distract their students. Low cut tops and shorter skirts hold attention but to the wrong places.
2008-12-28 11:48:05 [Message] daibarnes -> -EdTechTalk: are men clean shaven?
2008-12-28 11:48:23 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @daibarnes- you're kidding right?
2008-12-28 11:48:28 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: My husband is an AP and he wears khakis, polos, and casual shoes (Not sneakers)
2008-12-28 11:48:29 [Message] daibarnes -> -EdTechTalk: not at all
2008-12-28 11:48:30 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: There is no standard school dress in US
2008-12-28 11:48:31 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @daibarnes  at my school (private catholic school)  that is the norm for oour male faculty
2008-12-28 11:48:31 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @daibarnes depends on the work you are doing
2008-12-28 11:48:41 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: w/out the jacket though
2008-12-28 11:48:44 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: Men should be clean shaven, I agree.
2008-12-28 11:48:45 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: no air conditioning
2008-12-28 11:48:58 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: a snazzy mustaches is very professional though
2008-12-28 11:49:04 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: visible tattoos and piercings were ot acceptable in our dress code because of importance of role modeling for students
2008-12-28 11:49:19 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Nicole
2008-12-28 11:49:19 [Message] daibarnes -> -EdTechTalk: we insist students where blazers therefore men and women shd wear jackets n'est pas?
2008-12-28 11:49:23 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: A lecturing teacher can dress differently than one who gets down into the weeds with the kids
2008-12-28 11:49:43 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: I've had facial hair for about 20 years.  It can be professional if kept neat.
2008-12-28 11:49:46 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: It is not something that I have - but all my daughters have them
2008-12-28 11:49:50 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: Good Morning!
2008-12-28 11:49:57 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: So, the dress code is a cultural thing--no uniforms in my community
2008-12-28 11:50:01 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: My oldest daughter has a teaching degree
2008-12-28 11:50:02 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: your daughters have facial hair?
2008-12-28 11:50:07 [Message] teachinpjs -> -EdTechTalk: If a teacher judges other teachers based on what they wear, then I fear that they must also judge students based on what they wear.
2008-12-28 11:50:08 [Message] daibarnes -> -EdTechTalk: i work in private school for 3 yrs but 9 yrs in state sector i dressed the same (mostly)
2008-12-28 11:50:12 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: we have dress down says where jeans are okay, but we MUST wear a school shirt of some kind  to wear them.
2008-12-28 11:50:14 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: piercings
2008-12-28 11:50:16 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: and tatoos
2008-12-28 11:50:18 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: It does depend on the enviroment. If there is no AC or you are a very active teacher then the dress should still be appropriate.
2008-12-28 11:50:25 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: oh ..  sorry
2008-12-28 11:50:41 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: i had aprinc who made a teacher wear a bandaid over her nose peicing.
2008-12-28 11:50:49 [Message] daibarnes -> -EdTechTalk: jackets off in lessons if desired and acceptable by the teacher
2008-12-28 11:50:53 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy...dang that facial hair thing
2008-12-28 11:51:07 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: an honest mistake i couldn't read fast enough
2008-12-28 11:51:23 [Message] teachinpjs -> -EdTechTalk: Maybe teachers spend their life with people that dress like themselves, they fear folks who dress different.
2008-12-28 11:51:24 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: @scott, a neat beard is always appropriate.
2008-12-28 11:51:43 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: i know teachers who BOUGHT polos and had them ebroidered w/ school or district logo and wear them everyday with khakis
2008-12-28 11:51:59 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: as a male principal should i address immodest dress issues with my female staff or have someone else do it?
2008-12-28 11:52:00 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: reason?  easy
2008-12-28 11:52:17 [Message] daibarnes -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy good question
2008-12-28 11:52:18 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: Agreed.  I like my beard.  I'd hate to shave it for a job.
2008-12-28 11:52:20 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Good question,
2008-12-28 11:52:21 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I taught on a tall ship and we had several diff uniforms for the program. Dress code issues were our biggest headache
2008-12-28 11:52:45 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: I have an assistant principal who is the picture of all things chaste so I usually ask her to address it privately with them.
2008-12-28 11:52:46 [Message] daibarnes -> -EdTechTalk: etsablished facila hair is different to unshaven
2008-12-28 11:52:48 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I always told student teachers that they needed to take the "high road" with professional dress even though some teachers in their school didn't--they wanted to be hired and professional appearance was important
2008-12-28 11:52:48 [Message] pam mcleod -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy we have Female Princ and Male AP, they address according to gender lines
2008-12-28 11:52:51 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: she's also a nun
2008-12-28 11:52:52 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Ultimately all dress is a uniform
2008-12-28 11:53:18 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: cathy jo, if that is what the school calls for, a teacher uniform, then that is professional.
2008-12-28 11:53:18 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: i agree with gender lines.... to many possible law suites
2008-12-28 11:53:46 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: but it isnt--it is just these few teachers choice--to go to a look that resembles a uniform
2008-12-28 11:53:49 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: me too
2008-12-28 11:54:03 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: if you have a clear policy a principal should address it with all staff members--whether male or female
2008-12-28 11:54:10 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: I must say they are right---it does make the morning easy--n decisions, just put on the "uniform"
2008-12-28 11:54:15 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: I don't think it is appropriate to see cleavage...esp. in Middle school.
2008-12-28 11:54:17 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I think admin has to address directly. But be clear about school/community  culture
2008-12-28 11:54:19 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: it is los easy on the money
2008-12-28 11:54:23 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ Peggy G.  i've tried that it didn't go over well
2008-12-28 11:54:47 [Message] teachinpjs -> -EdTechTalk: Lisa, would it have been ok if she was ugly ;)
2008-12-28 11:54:51 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: i am kind of blunt though in general so it could have been my delivery
2008-12-28 11:54:56 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: cleavage in any job (other than say maybe a bar) is inappropriate
2008-12-28 11:54:57 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: nhill, if a teacher bends over and you can see more of either end it is not appropirate.
2008-12-28 11:55:13 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy--it may not go over well but you are responsible for enforcing policy--you just need to do it with everyone
2008-12-28 11:55:22 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: that is why tnks and cami's are really hot right now
2008-12-28 11:55:26 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: i made a terrible comment about plumbers.  live and learn
2008-12-28 11:55:32 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: We have dress down Fridays....teachers are allowed to wear jeans, if we pay $1 that goes to charity.
2008-12-28 11:55:40 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I have just noticed this cleavage thing in the last 2 yrs. 
2008-12-28 11:56:05 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: And it's not just young teachers--50 yrs + do too.
2008-12-28 11:56:17 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: My regular days can be taking the kids to the woods and digging around, hauling equipment, crawling thru the attic looking at ethernet cables or standing in front of a group of MS kids talking. I stick to my "good" jeans and a sweater.
2008-12-28 11:56:20 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: @jan smith, I too have noticed the cleavage thing and wonder how many students are distracted?
2008-12-28 11:56:21 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I wear nice jeans.
2008-12-28 11:56:22 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: whe i visited the west coast 2 years agao for a vacation, I was SHOCKED @ the women and their cleavage--no matter what age or job
2008-12-28 11:56:25 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I had the cleavage issues years ago--at least 10 years ago!
2008-12-28 11:56:37 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: I had a teacher tell me Jan that the cleavage gives the boys a reason to come to school.
2008-12-28 11:56:50 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @nhill  that's terrible.  no way
2008-12-28 11:56:50 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: @nhill OMG
2008-12-28 11:56:55 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @nhill not cool.
2008-12-28 11:56:55 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: I also think some teachers overdress- can a lower elem teacher get "down" on the level of little one if they are in heels and skirts?
2008-12-28 11:57:17 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: when teachers wear shorts and low tops and bend over in an assembly to speak to a student, way toooo much is revealed and totally inappropriate!
2008-12-28 11:57:17 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: No cleavage... I've talked to my MS girls when it is distracting. They think it's funny, but cover up.
2008-12-28 11:57:17 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @nhill, I'd keep my eye on that one
2008-12-28 11:57:23 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: @nhill, what kind of reason is that? why not take them out for another kind of lesson too? That will bring them back for sure!
2008-12-28 11:57:27 [Message] mclobridge -> -EdTechTalk: the problem is who defines "nice" jeans vs. "not nice" jeans.
2008-12-28 11:57:31 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: We had a young teacher show up to chaperone prom last year.  The secuity guards thought she was a hooker
2008-12-28 11:57:44 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: Our PTA sells sweat shirts with our school logo - we wear those
2008-12-28 11:57:55 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I talk about clothing appropriate to the situation: no suits on the beach
2008-12-28 11:58:11 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy :o
2008-12-28 11:58:12 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: It's always a shirt and tie for me, even on Friday. 
2008-12-28 11:58:32 [Message] fmiracola -> -EdTechTalk: bye all, thanks for the good conversation.
2008-12-28 11:58:36 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: I agree with Maria
2008-12-28 11:58:45 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: We just bought staff shirts...polos, t-shirts, and sweatshirts with DAMS staff.
2008-12-28 11:58:45 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: Let's get "Stacy and Clinton" to do a show "What Not to Wear" to school!! I will volunteer!
2008-12-28 11:58:48 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: as long as a teacher is neatly presented:
2008-12-28 11:59:11 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: this is what goes in my community--
2008-12-28 11:59:18 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: @LisaParisi I AGREE
2008-12-28 11:59:32 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: i go with shirt and tie for the male faculty and let a committee figure out hte rules for women.  Just saying professional dress is to vague.
2008-12-28 11:59:49 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: "Just as we tell the kids that their clothing should not be distracting, the teachers' clothing should not distract from the educational day either."
2008-12-28 11:59:57 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: high school's differnt than kindergarten and preschool so it is probably buibuilding specific
2008-12-28 12:00:08 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @peggy g I agree
2008-12-28 12:00:18 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: I have a heard time "respecting" them and giveing them any benefit of the doubt on anything--sad t say but I hold the dress (something very insignificant) against every part of their job, good or bad
2008-12-28 12:00:28 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy I guess we rely on the professionalism of our colleagues--dress code for teachers RARELY becomes an issue here.
2008-12-28 12:00:43 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: is this the cleavage conversation?
2008-12-28 12:00:47 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: in general that is my experience as well
2008-12-28 12:00:58 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @Mike chime in!
2008-12-28 12:00:58 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: this is the FIRST year I have ever worn sneakers with khakis and polos
2008-12-28 12:01:00 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: LOL Mike
2008-12-28 12:01:07 [Message] teachinpjs -> -EdTechTalk: Do you think a kid has an easier time approaching a teacher in a shirt and tie, or jeans and t-shirt.  Do each of you have an easier time approaching someone who looks like you, or someone who looks different?
2008-12-28 12:01:08 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: I feel extreme guilt when I d it too
2008-12-28 12:01:23 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: If we are to lead by example....
2008-12-28 12:01:34 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: and if we're excited about going to "school"....
2008-12-28 12:01:42 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: you wear it first mike
2008-12-28 12:01:43 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @teachinpjs  I don't think kids give it a second thought
2008-12-28 12:01:57 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: they don't decide who to talk to and who not too based off of dress. 
2008-12-28 12:02:09 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: I think we should dress like we're going to school, rather than the football game
2008-12-28 12:02:19 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Mike  I agree
2008-12-28 12:02:25 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy, I thnk we dress for the parents and our colleagues, not the kids
2008-12-28 12:02:32 [Message] teachinpjs -> -EdTechTalk: Just grabbed my 10 yr old--"If you could dress your teacher what would she wear?"   Jeans, t-shirt, sneakers was her answer.
2008-12-28 12:02:54 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Jan.  dress up for the kids.  they are important and worth it.   but you might be right
2008-12-28 12:03:00 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: My 13 year old said teachers should not dress like kids.
2008-12-28 12:03:05 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: For guys, ties might be optional - but collars should always be there (teachers)
2008-12-28 12:03:15 [Message] mclobridge -> -EdTechTalk: @jan smith, which is wrong we should be dressing for the students
2008-12-28 12:03:20 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy, my kids are always on my mind
2008-12-28 12:03:22 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @teachinpjs - interesting feeback
2008-12-28 12:03:24 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Mike.   too many moms try to dress like their daughters.  We laugh about it at basketball games
2008-12-28 12:03:45 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy - it ends up being silly, yes? 
2008-12-28 12:04:01 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Mike.  that it does. 
2008-12-28 12:04:06 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: every culture is different -- and the dress styles may mold that culture
2008-12-28 12:04:08 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy  Yes, we see 10lbs of groceries in a 5lb bag all the time.
2008-12-28 12:04:25 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Scott    we have a similar expression that is not as polite
2008-12-28 12:04:27 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: I have to watch what I buy to wear...I am very small...wear Jr. sizes..same sizes as my students.
2008-12-28 12:04:29 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @Mike, yes, it is cultural
2008-12-28 12:04:30 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: I was blasted by a student recently for wearing a polo that had a U of ALabama logo. He wanted to know why "I" would wear that shirt to school.
2008-12-28 12:04:53 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: I always wear layers...tank tops and cami under shirts so no cleavage shows.
2008-12-28 12:04:56 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Should you be advertising, Cathy?
2008-12-28 12:04:56 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: then he proceeded to chastise me for supporting  university form out of state
2008-12-28 12:04:58 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: teachers should be comfortable (it's a long day), but I'd always suggest business casual
2008-12-28 12:05:15 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: So, is this more about what female teachers wear than men? It seems like we notice or complain most about females who dress somewhat sexaully for school. We only have the boys with pants falling down, not sexual, just stupid.
2008-12-28 12:05:23 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: business casual seems to be the prevailing norm
2008-12-28 12:05:31 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: it sets the example for our kids as to what's acceptable to wear when we "go to work"
2008-12-28 12:05:33 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: IDK lIsa--I like the shirt, and really did not suspect anyone would even register what it was
2008-12-28 12:05:36 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen.  that seems to be the trend
2008-12-28 12:05:53 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Maureen, I think we see more women dressing inappropriately in school.
2008-12-28 12:05:58 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @Maureen - good point.
2008-12-28 12:06:01 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: I do wear my Discovery Ed Network shirt to school all the time
2008-12-28 12:06:06 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Tatoos are ubiquitous
2008-12-28 12:06:29 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: good point
2008-12-28 12:06:40 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: My laptp has stickers on the top.
2008-12-28 12:06:43 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: about tatoos..   whoever really looks better once they have one...i've never founr myself thinking.... wow she is really unattractive but now that she has a giant tiger on her shoulder....look out.
2008-12-28 12:06:54 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: someone asked me why? i said its mine and easily identifiable
2008-12-28 12:07:13 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: Let's go shopping!
2008-12-28 12:07:46 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I don't think that people are "improved" by tatoos That is not the wearer's intent
2008-12-28 12:08:00 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: Our food service people wear matching 'scrubs'.  They often look more professional than the teachers.
2008-12-28 12:08:12 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Scott.  That's great
2008-12-28 12:08:12 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: @Scott FUNNY
2008-12-28 12:08:21 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Dressing for success allows teachers to gain the respect needed to set a positive example for their students. Imagine the image you are sending to your students if you fail to follow the established dress code policy that has been established in the district. Many times, students adamantly oppose their dress code policy for various reasons. For example, many students feel they should have the opportunity to wear hats to school. An important point to remember is that children are very good at modeling the behavior they observe in adults.
2008-12-28 12:08:33 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: Wow...
2008-12-28 12:08:39 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: that's a quote from Dress for Success link I shared earlier
2008-12-28 12:08:45 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Peggy  nicely said
2008-12-28 12:08:47 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Great point Peggy G
2008-12-28 12:08:57 [Message] teachinpjs -> -EdTechTalk: Would you only collaborate with teachers that dress to your standards?  I feel like going through the chat and checking off "she would respect me, he wouldn't, can't wear sneakers on days I speak to him, no t-shirts on the skype call with...."
2008-12-28 12:09:20 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: we have a first year teacher man who wears khakis, button up shirts UNTUCKED, ties LOOSE, and basically he looks like a slob
2008-12-28 12:09:28 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Don't you  wear sneakers to teach PE Lisa?
2008-12-28 12:09:33 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: he['s cute tho--and YOUNG
2008-12-28 12:09:34 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Cathy jo   i suggest remediation
2008-12-28 12:09:38 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: Had a gym teacher in High school that wore [u]short[/u] shorts....she was made fun of on a daily basis.
2008-12-28 12:09:40 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: For me personally, I eon't judge a book by their cover - but I dress each day like people will judge me by my "cover"
2008-12-28 12:10:07 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: @mike me too
2008-12-28 12:10:12 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: @Mike Exactly the way I look at it.
2008-12-28 12:10:23 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ teachinpjs  first impressions can be powerful.  i don't agree they are always correct but you only get one chance at them.  I've had people come to interviews in jeans?   honestly?
2008-12-28 12:10:23 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: if there is a messy activity, i bring smething to slip over and cover
2008-12-28 12:10:34 [Message] mclobridge -> -EdTechTalk: If I know I will be in an area on weekends where I know there might be students, I pay attention to what I look like.
2008-12-28 12:10:36 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: I wore a collar even when I was coaching. Sweats and sneakers, yes...but also a collar
2008-12-28 12:10:42 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: @Mike  are you on Twitter?
2008-12-28 12:10:49 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: If I were to judge the quality of my colleagues, how they dress is not anywhere close to the top/
2008-12-28 12:11:05 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: great advice @mclobridge
2008-12-28 12:11:19 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @scott - yes @mikesansone on Twitter
2008-12-28 12:11:34 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks mike
2008-12-28 12:11:37 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I definitely agree with the point about first impressions are powerful!! sometimes you don't get a second chance to influence/impress someone
2008-12-28 12:11:42 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ Jan.   our annual student film fest is coming up.  Some of the kids are planning a parody spoof of an eurppean designer coming to the high school for fashion advice from teacehrs.  i can't wait .  it will be classic
2008-12-28 12:12:07 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: hope you all didn
2008-12-28 12:12:09 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy--that does sound fun!
2008-12-28 12:12:16 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: hear me
2008-12-28 12:12:32 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy-I would LOVE to see that parody spoof!! :-)
2008-12-28 12:12:41 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @mrsdurff - I missed it...what'd I miss:-)
2008-12-28 12:12:47 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ jan the same group won last year for their parrody of a teacher heading to their car to smoke during their prep period  ..   we were all rolling
2008-12-28 12:12:51 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: good
2008-12-28 12:13:03 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: At my in state conferences even if im presenting i wear jeans and a school logo tye shirt
2008-12-28 12:13:19 [Message] mrsdurff -> -EdTechTalk: that means the mute button worked
2008-12-28 12:13:23 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: I hope my content is better and what they walk away with
2008-12-28 12:13:24 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy, do  you think that shows affection for the staff or disrespect?
2008-12-28 12:13:30 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: in business, the rule of thumb is to outdress the audience by a hair.  not too much so, but don't underdress in comparison either
2008-12-28 12:13:47 [Message] teachinpjs -> -EdTechTalk: OOOOOOOOOOOOOO  POWER!!!!  
2008-12-28 12:13:54 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ Jan.   respect.  the faculty did some vice versa.  we wouldn't let it go on if it wasn't in  a spirit of good natured comraderie
2008-12-28 12:13:56 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: i do this jeans school shirt on FRidays of cnference not the whole thing
2008-12-28 12:14:10 [Message] teachinpjs -> -EdTechTalk: Is that what this is all about!  Wearing the right clothes to keep the power?
2008-12-28 12:14:17 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I am very short, people often have a hard time spotting me in the classroom: I say look for the most wrinkly one.
2008-12-28 12:14:26 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: So when you go to a conference as an audience member...what do you wear?
2008-12-28 12:14:27 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @jan the faculty and staff did one together to promote the charity basket drives.  it was very funny
2008-12-28 12:14:27 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @AngelaMaiers continually outdresses me when we work together. But she has better taste in shoes, so...
2008-12-28 12:14:38 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @jan me too!
2008-12-28 12:15:05 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy that builds wonderful school culture
2008-12-28 12:15:06 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @nhill  - Great question!  I go to every conference prepared to be asked to speaak (it's happened three times in my life)
2008-12-28 12:15:09 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: but that's me
2008-12-28 12:15:32 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ jan  it's on youtube if you want to see it
2008-12-28 12:15:41 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: sure
2008-12-28 12:15:43 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: do you find your personal standards for dress conflict with your school policies?
2008-12-28 12:15:48 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: even if we have charity drive jeans wear, my principal NEVER weras jeans to school.
2008-12-28 12:16:05 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: thosugh she does donate to the cause
2008-12-28 12:16:06 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: What is the youtube link
2008-12-28 12:16:11 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ Cathyjo.  I'm one of those principlals
2008-12-28 12:16:22 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: my principal will wear jeans on Friday with shirt and tie.
2008-12-28 12:16:35 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: That's a great assesment question PeggyG. Something to ask before we leave the house, hmm?
2008-12-28 12:16:44 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: She sys we are WAY TOO CLOSE to our district office to be caught off guard or dressed down
2008-12-28 12:17:05 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: my principal wears a white dress shirt daily..he says he has enough decisions to make in a day.  Always wears white less thing to decide.
2008-12-28 12:17:19 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @AngelaMaiers - yes
2008-12-28 12:17:32 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: it's an authority (perceived authority?) thing
2008-12-28 12:17:32 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk:  i think this is it
2008-12-28 12:17:52 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: So is there a religious/politiacal dimension to this?
2008-12-28 12:18:15 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @nhill.  my wife lays out my clothes.  I'm color blind.  If i picked them it would look like a rainbow puked
2008-12-28 12:18:26 [Message] teachinpjs -> -EdTechTalk: Ahhh---Lisa--I would look at the person dressed down as in charge because they are the one that is comfortable with themselves, the one who doesn't feel the need to announce their presence with clothes, but instead use their energy and attitude.
2008-12-28 12:18:30 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @jan smith - it sounds like it, hmm?  I'm wondering if it's just the way we were raised - our expectations.  Will those change in the future?
2008-12-28 12:18:31 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy LOL
2008-12-28 12:18:33 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: This community is generally liberal
2008-12-28 12:18:45 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: Chris Lehmann wore a suit/tie at Educon last year on the school day
2008-12-28 12:18:53 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: @teachinpjs  We have a very different idea of clothing.
2008-12-28 12:19:01 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: I wondered if it was for show or b/c he is short and needs to stand out to kids
2008-12-28 12:19:03 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: so less emphasis on conservative dress
2008-12-28 12:19:04 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: First impressions
2008-12-28 12:19:08 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: I know tht is mean--I love chris
2008-12-28 12:19:09 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: I think @AngelaMaiers said it great earlier. When she dresses like she's gonna get something done that day, she accomplishes more than when she dresses down
2008-12-28 12:19:32 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Cathyjo-would it change your level of respect for Chris or other principals if he did not wear shirt and tie?
2008-12-28 12:19:42 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ Mike.  thats a great point.  my house slippers and pajama pants pretty much consign me to a day of playing games on the wii and napping
2008-12-28 12:19:57 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: but dressing down doesn't necessarily mean the same thing to everyone
2008-12-28 12:19:58 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: @Angela--no not necessarilly. I knew him on a differnet level so he did not need to suit/tie
2008-12-28 12:20:05 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy- yes!
2008-12-28 12:20:08 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: true for others to--if  know them the clothes do not matter
2008-12-28 12:20:10 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy I could do that at school! :)
2008-12-28 12:20:20 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: PJs in heels?
2008-12-28 12:20:35 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: I never wear heels.
2008-12-28 12:20:38 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: My grade 6 kids asked if they could have nap time
2008-12-28 12:20:47 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @jan.  i will admit i've closed my office door and taken a nap.  but i wasn't in my pajamas.  and there were other circumstances
2008-12-28 12:20:49 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I love pajama days :-)
2008-12-28 12:20:50 [Message] nhill -> -EdTechTalk: I do wear dress flats, but never heels.
2008-12-28 12:21:08 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: how long does a heel have to be before it is too long?
2008-12-28 12:21:13 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: i've alwyas wondered this
2008-12-28 12:21:33 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: I once knew an English teacher who napped behind his desk DURING class. On the floor! Kids didn't complain. 
2008-12-28 12:21:50 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: everyday was PJs day for him
2008-12-28 12:21:52 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Couldn't have been a very good teacher, Mike.
2008-12-28 12:22:00 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: ON PJ day I had a princ who wore a big fluffy robe OVER normal clothes
2008-12-28 12:22:01 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I have a colleague who wears heels everyday--all I can see is Mini Mouse. Have a hard time taking her seriously.
2008-12-28 12:22:14 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: great potential he his defense...he had multiple jobs to support his family, but still
2008-12-28 12:22:37 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @Mike-I know a student teacher who took a nap on the floor behind his desk before the school day started and the principal found him and he almost got kicked out of the program--not a good decision.
2008-12-28 12:22:44 [Message] MariaK -> -EdTechTalk: @jan smith - very funny
2008-12-28 12:23:19 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: i had a former principal wore a wonder woman outfit on Hero day to school--she was quite the talk of the district--sad to say but she could wear it--well....
2008-12-28 12:23:19 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: Me, too! Heels are like a second skin to me! I could run in them!
2008-12-28 12:23:19 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: @PeggyG - and that was B4 school started.  Yikes - still, it's sleeping on the job, right?
2008-12-28 12:23:31 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: we used to have a teacher that had narcolepsy.  he would fall asleep in class. but when he was awake he was outstanding
2008-12-28 12:23:40 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: I have a harder time walking in flats!
2008-12-28 12:23:55 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Cathy.   i loved that show as a kid
2008-12-28 12:24:07 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: it distracted me from piano lessons
2008-12-28 12:24:08 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I couldn't wear heels as a principal because I had a bad back and neeed to get around the school comfortably (without pain)
2008-12-28 12:24:16 [Message] Maureen -> -EdTechTalk: @LIsa I cannot wear heels- never could. Wear merrells every day.
2008-12-28 12:24:16 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy Good thing he wasn't the bus driver....
2008-12-28 12:24:19 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy  I am getting a good picture of this.... may try it....
2008-12-28 12:24:21 [Message] angelamaiers -> -EdTechTalk: That is a great litmus test-do the clothes inhibit me to do my job???
2008-12-28 12:24:26 [Message] Mike Sansone -> -EdTechTalk: Well, gang...I'm off.  Thanks for great conversation.  Keep learning and creating -- then be contagious with it.
2008-12-28 12:24:27 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @Scott he did coach football
2008-12-28 12:24:58 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @Mike-yes it was before school!
2008-12-28 12:25:01 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, do your job--great lithmus test
2008-12-28 12:25:12 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: which is a whole differnt conversation--students coming to school dressed likke NO ONE saw them leave the house!
2008-12-28 12:25:47 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: My biggest issue is clothes that smell of cigarette smoke
2008-12-28 12:25:54 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Teachers or kid
2008-12-28 12:26:11 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: @Jan you'd be amazed at the lib books that come back smelly
2008-12-28 12:26:12 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: i actually like that smell.  it reminds me of my grandmother.  benson and hedges ultra light 100s
2008-12-28 12:26:12 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: @Cathyjo--sad truth is many kids leave for school without someone seeing them
2008-12-28 12:26:56 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy, you sly dog, you are joking, I take it
2008-12-28 12:27:09 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: no i'm serious.  the smell has nother bothered me
2008-12-28 12:27:17 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: so what is the verdict here?
2008-12-28 12:27:24 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: dress code or no dress code?
2008-12-28 12:27:30 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: or something inbetween?
2008-12-28 12:27:44 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: kids don't want to sit with the kids who come to school reaking of smoke
2008-12-28 12:27:46 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Did we come to a conclusion?
2008-12-28 12:27:48 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I think the verdict is to dress professionally regardless of whether there is a dress code or not
2008-12-28 12:27:51 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Do we ever? LOL
2008-12-28 12:27:57 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: probably not?
2008-12-28 12:28:20 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: When i was in an elementary school and a class came to the lib we had a class helpers to "wipe" down returned books with wet wipes---for making books germ free.  LOL
2008-12-28 12:28:24 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: I vote for shirts and ties for men, uniforms for kids, and the women faculty can have a committee to determine the meaning of professional dress
2008-12-28 12:28:24 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: Leave it up to the teachers to dress themselves, but reserve the right to adjust the policy if it gets out of hand.
2008-12-28 12:28:27 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: To me that is a health issue--if I smell it, it's second hand smmoke
2008-12-28 12:28:53 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: Great so ladies
2008-12-28 12:28:59 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: Lisa does your daughter wear the low riding jeans?
2008-12-28 12:29:00 [Message] Cathy E -> -EdTechTalk: my in-laws have arrived
2008-12-28 12:29:12 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: our school policy didn't allow tshirts that advertised illegal products like beer
2008-12-28 12:29:13 [Message] Scott Shelhart -> -EdTechTalk: @Lisa  Those tshirts are banned here
2008-12-28 12:29:25 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: those shirts are not allowed at my school
2008-12-28 12:29:35 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: graphic tees are covered in our handbook
2008-12-28 12:29:53 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: our kids buy shirts and ties and pants from one vendor in town.  it's great they have to express their individuality with their thoughts and school work not their clothes
2008-12-28 12:30:07 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: the understanding is that if the tee may offend "any" group, then it should not be worn
2008-12-28 12:30:22 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: i'm offended by Egyptian cotton....
2008-12-28 12:30:29 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk:  *Clothing shall not display profanity or profane or obscene gestures, nor shall it support alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, or sexual activity. Clothing should be free of political messages while staff members are on duty.
2008-12-28 12:30:34 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: I prefer pima cotton from uzebeki origin
2008-12-28 12:30:38 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: that research IS out there
2008-12-28 12:30:49 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: @caroy poly all the way \
2008-12-28 12:30:50 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: ahh Caroy--mmmmmmmmm
2008-12-28 12:30:57 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Ha
2008-12-28 12:31:15 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: I recycle from Goodwill
2008-12-28 12:31:23 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you all for coming
2008-12-28 12:31:27 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: but u do know the uzbeki government has almost killed their ecosystem trying to porudce the most cotton
2008-12-28 12:31:33 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Happy New Year all
2008-12-28 12:31:35 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I have seen a lot of research on affects of dress code for students including uniforms on academic achievement
2008-12-28 12:31:36 [Message] Cathyjo -> -EdTechTalk: bye y'all
2008-12-28 12:31:49 [Message] Lisa Parisi -> -EdTechTalk:
2008-12-28 12:31:50 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: gotta help the wife clean before the dreaded mother-in-law arrives for an afternoon of judging.   buy y'all
2008-12-28 12:32:00 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: excellent conversation! great topic!
2008-12-28 12:32:09 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Who's dreading whom?
2008-12-28 12:32:17 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: @ jan.   that's funny jan....very funny
2008-12-28 12:32:25 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: u might be right
2008-12-28 12:32:43 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: caroy, I'll follow you on twitter--like your sense of humour!
2008-12-28 12:32:51 [Message] caroy -> -EdTechTalk: i'll follow back  all the best
2008-12-28 12:33:21 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: topic next week--new year's goals/resolutions :-) that will be interesting!
2008-12-28 12:33:25 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Buy all
2008-12-28 12:33:32 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: Or Bye all
2008-12-28 12:33:44 [Message] jan smith -> -EdTechTalk: But you could buy all if you want
2008-12-28 12:33:45 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Bye everyone--Happy New Year!

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