Teachers Are Talking - Episode 20

Guests Jim Burke (founder of the English Companion ning)  and Maja Wilson (author of Rethinking Rubrics in Writing Assessment) joined us for some lively discussion.

 

2009-05-04 19:26:09 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hello Melissa
2009-05-04 19:26:21 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: Hi!  Saw your Twitter.
2009-05-04 19:26:21 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Melissa
2009-05-04 19:26:29 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: Cool!
2009-05-04 19:26:32 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks for coming in.
2009-05-04 19:26:41 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Sound is streaming on ETTA
2009-05-04 19:26:56 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: So we hit the UStream to hear right?  This is my 2nd EdTechTalk.
2009-05-04 19:27:09 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: No ustream tonight
2009-05-04 19:27:26 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hit ETTA on the right side of the page.  Pick any icon under EdTechTalk A
2009-05-04 19:27:48 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: Hey Meredith!
2009-05-04 19:29:01 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hello all
2009-05-04 19:29:01 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: I can :)
2009-05-04 19:29:09 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Sound is on ETTA
2009-05-04 19:29:12 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Meredith
2009-05-04 19:29:16 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: I hear Maya and Jim
2009-05-04 19:29:19 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: hi Jim
2009-05-04 19:29:22 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: It plays through iTunes?
2009-05-04 19:29:34 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: I'm listening on Real Tunes
2009-05-04 19:29:35 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Yes
2009-05-04 19:29:39 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: ok
2009-05-04 19:29:47 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: sat through one in silence before
2009-05-04 19:29:48 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: :-)
2009-05-04 19:30:20 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: great to see you all here
2009-05-04 19:30:33 [Message] fred_haas -> -EdTechTalk: You are all loud and clear
2009-05-04 19:30:36 [Message] techyturner -> -EdTechTalk: Help! I hear nothing. Click on the speaker.
2009-05-04 19:30:36 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: welcome everyone
2009-05-04 19:30:41 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: I can hear!
2009-05-04 19:30:54 [Message] techyturner -> -EdTechTalk: I clicked on the speaker.
2009-05-04 19:31:10 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: techyturner - click on one of the icons under EDTEchTalk A
2009-05-04 19:31:15 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: I thought I was missing a big something.
2009-05-04 19:31:53 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Welcome Jen
2009-05-04 19:32:11 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: I'm glad you now know there is sound here, Melissa. :)
2009-05-04 19:32:22 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks. Hi, everyone.
2009-05-04 19:32:27 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: here being a loose term :)
2009-05-04 19:32:54 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Jen!
2009-05-04 19:33:16 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Hi, MsStewart!
2009-05-04 19:33:35 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Techyturner, do you need help getting sound?
2009-05-04 19:33:36 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: reminder for new people - click on one of the icons under EdTechTalk A to listen
2009-05-04 19:33:53 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Jim having doubts? :)
2009-05-04 19:34:24 [Message] techyturner -> -EdTechTalk: Yes! I do!
2009-05-04 19:34:52 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: On the right side bar you can see teh words EdTechTalk A and EdTechTalk B above the ustream
2009-05-04 19:35:09 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Go to ETTA and click on any one of those icons under the words.
2009-05-04 19:35:14 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: That should give you sound.
2009-05-04 19:35:16 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: having doubts about ECN?! No way!
2009-05-04 19:35:25 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hello Peggy!
2009-05-04 19:35:29 [Message] fred_haas -> -EdTechTalk: Some of the growth has to be attributed to brand Jim Burke
2009-05-04 19:35:29 [Message] Dorie Glynn -> -EdTechTalk: finally got one to work-windows media
2009-05-04 19:35:33 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Lisa
2009-05-04 19:35:42 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: Hi JenAnsbach...greatto see you there.
2009-05-04 19:35:47 [Message] techyturner -> -EdTechTalk: I clicked on the first icon, opened PowerDVD. Clicked on the WMP opened it but nothing.
2009-05-04 19:36:05 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Try another icon.  I tend to use the second one.
2009-05-04 19:36:25 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Hi, Jim. Thanks for having us!
2009-05-04 19:36:29 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: the first icon should open itunes
2009-05-04 19:36:36 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: Do you have windows media player or real audio?
2009-05-04 19:36:43 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: or iTunes
2009-05-04 19:36:47 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: me too :)
2009-05-04 19:37:41 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: Nings are so powerful!  People really help one another. Bounce ideas.  Sometimes better than those teachers right next door. 
2009-05-04 19:38:12 [Message] techyturner -> -EdTechTalk: I'm in!  I had to use VLC.
2009-05-04 19:38:20 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Glad it worked for you.
2009-05-04 19:38:30 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: EC Ning is especially good. Folks really generous/charitable
2009-05-04 19:38:50 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: I think they are generous
2009-05-04 19:39:02 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: EC - Early Childhood???
2009-05-04 19:39:10 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: English Companion
2009-05-04 19:39:24 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: LOL - sorry
2009-05-04 19:39:50 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Ah!  I got disconnected and it won't let me call you back, Susan...
2009-05-04 19:39:57 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Twittering the chat. :-)
2009-05-04 19:40:14 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: You don't have to participate in all of the conversations in a Ning to get value from it.
2009-05-04 19:40:34 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Okay, I'm back!
2009-05-04 19:41:03 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: It has helped a lot that Ning now offers a dashboard so you can access all of your Ning communities from one location.
2009-05-04 19:41:15 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: aclimating new members is important
2009-05-04 19:41:24 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hello Alice
2009-05-04 19:41:39 [Message] alicemercer -> -EdTechTalk: HI, watcha nagging Sue to join for?
2009-05-04 19:41:59 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: She asked...I never nag.
2009-05-04 19:42:21 [Message] alicemercer -> -EdTechTalk: I know. Topic?
2009-05-04 19:42:25 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: Would love to know how English teachers are feeling about the need to bring back teaching citations - since kids are getting so much information, images, media off the Internet.
2009-05-04 19:42:32 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Sue--always love to have you in these conversations!!
2009-05-04 19:42:38 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Jim Burke and Maja Wilson talking about the English Companion Ning
2009-05-04 19:42:47 [Message] alicemercer -> -EdTechTalk: Crud, Almost time to pick up sone.
2009-05-04 19:42:52 [Message] alicemercer -> -EdTechTalk: Sorry to join and go
2009-05-04 19:43:05 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: We would have a book discussion about English Teacher's Companion of we could make Jim the companion to the Companion....
2009-05-04 19:43:36 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: the Ning is the new hot gig in town
2009-05-04 19:43:52 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Sheila
2009-05-04 19:43:55 [Message] fred_haas -> -EdTechTalk: Keeping up ireally the trouble now isn't it?
2009-05-04 19:43:59 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: you don't have to keep up w/it all
2009-05-04 19:44:03 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I think it's really important to have people who are nurturing and building the community within a Ning for it to be successful. It doesn't have to be one person but it will die if people aren't encouraged to participate and contribute.
2009-05-04 19:44:04 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: just jump in the stream
2009-05-04 19:44:18 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: I think ETC is too big and long to be for a discussion; the whole Ning is really the equivalent of that book club we might have!
2009-05-04 19:44:27 [Message] techyturner -> -EdTechTalk: And drown or pick and choose what to join?
2009-05-04 19:44:38 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: either are options :)
2009-05-04 19:44:44 [Message] sheila -> -EdTechTalk: Hi there!
2009-05-04 19:44:56 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Sheila
2009-05-04 19:45:16 [Message] techyturner -> -EdTechTalk: thx msstewart
2009-05-04 19:45:20 [Message] sheila -> -EdTechTalk: Hi PeggyG
2009-05-04 19:45:59 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: Would someone post the title of the book again?
2009-05-04 19:46:16 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: wondering what people sitting on have to say about EC Ning as new(er) teachers (tho I know you are feeling sensitive today about being called a 'new teacher' msstewart!)
2009-05-04 19:46:22 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: Rethinking Rubrics in Writing Assessment
2009-05-04 19:46:26 [Message] Sue Waters -> -EdTechTalk: oops sorry everyone were you saying hi to me in chat? Was just responding to an important email - sorry
2009-05-04 19:46:32 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: James! Great to see you here.
2009-05-04 19:46:37 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: hello!
2009-05-04 19:47:30 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: So you all just hear us or do you see me?! (First time on Skype...)
2009-05-04 19:47:42 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Just sound, Jim
2009-05-04 19:47:45 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: we just get to hear you Jim :-)
2009-05-04 19:47:56 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: no video :(
2009-05-04 19:48:02 [Message] mtechman -> -EdTechTalk: I just took a look at the ning - don't think it is too big at all - many groups, so you can find one that suits..... I took a look at the PBL one and it looks good.
2009-05-04 19:48:03 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: Oh man, and I put on my clean bathrobe for this...
2009-05-04 19:48:12 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: no video here either
2009-05-04 19:48:30 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: ditto...I didn't know I could get video...let me log onto skype
2009-05-04 19:48:56 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: There is no video.  Only audio here.
2009-05-04 19:49:08 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: ah - problem solved then!
2009-05-04 19:49:16 [Message] PeggyG -> -EdTechTalk: I'm in many Nings but I don't "keep up" with all of them. I do follow specific conversations by receiving notices in my email when they have been updated. Great way to keep up with topics of interest.
2009-05-04 19:49:24 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: Does this book reflect on assessing blog writing?
2009-05-04 19:49:45 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: i'm listening to the edtech talk A and not hearing Jim
2009-05-04 19:50:02 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: He's not talking right now.  Now you hear Maja.
2009-05-04 19:50:07 [Message] techyturner -> -EdTechTalk: Interesting topic but I have to leave. Have a good evening/day. :)
2009-05-04 19:50:12 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: I get new activity RSS feed from EC Ning in Google Reader. Works well.
2009-05-04 19:50:12 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: problem solved
2009-05-04 19:50:13 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Bye
2009-05-04 19:50:15 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: fred - you need to click on one of the icons to hear
2009-05-04 19:50:33 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: NOt sure what Maja would say. I was exchanging emails with Vicki Spandel last night about blogsa nd new forms of writing...question was whether writing is evolving and the qualities of it will...
2009-05-04 19:50:47 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: James, you have to select an icon below "EdTeckTalk A" on the right.
2009-05-04 19:50:50 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: @jmiscavish try clicking on one of the other icons
2009-05-04 19:51:16 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: sorry, i'm hearing STUFF - thought I Was supposed to be hearing jim - It's maja
2009-05-04 19:51:38 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: perhaps I should write a rubric for blogging...that would simplify things, right?
2009-05-04 19:51:38 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: @jmiscavish haha
2009-05-04 19:51:54 [Message] Sue Waters -> -EdTechTalk: there are some rubics for blogging
2009-05-04 19:52:08 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Candace!
2009-05-04 19:52:11 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: I create rubrics for each blog.
2009-05-04 19:52:26 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: yeah, I was totally kidding...
2009-05-04 19:52:39 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: thanks again to maja for the pdf
2009-05-04 19:52:42 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Meredith! Are we chatting and listening or just chatting on this format? (I'm a lil confused!)
2009-05-04 19:52:48 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: I feel I need rubrics for use as a checklist.
2009-05-04 19:52:55 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: listening and chatting/liveblogging
2009-05-04 19:53:02 [Message] Sue Waters -> -EdTechTalk: unfortunately but some do want the rubic
2009-05-04 19:53:12 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: Booyah!
2009-05-04 19:53:13 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: listening too
2009-05-04 19:53:18 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Yay!!
2009-05-04 19:53:25 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: Click on one of the icons under EdTechTalk A
2009-05-04 19:53:34 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Totally made my day, Jim!
2009-05-04 19:53:48 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: twitter has stolen my ecning time...sorry maja's book group  :(
2009-05-04 19:53:56 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: wow
2009-05-04 19:53:57 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: Yep - working for me too!  Hi everyone - first time on and loving it :)
2009-05-04 19:55:26 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: like how they make all writing the same!
2009-05-04 19:55:29 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: I think it's all increasingly fluid, James---we move onto the ning, out into twitter, off to some other site, back into and out of it all. IT's all beginning to feel like one stream to me as I read what msstewart says on twitter and respond to it on Ning, and into email off-ning, etc. I think each is a different venue...
2009-05-04 19:55:48 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: I'm gonna put originality on my rubrics from now on
2009-05-04 19:56:04 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: @jimburke - yeah, I'm responding to a few discussions on the ning right now, actually
2009-05-04 19:56:49 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: I think we are all beginning to resemble those old switchboard ladies with a bazillion wires and we move into and out of different discusssions....
2009-05-04 19:56:59 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: great image
2009-05-04 19:57:07 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: That is exactly the power of the rubric. I think it helps the kids understand the project or task at hand.
2009-05-04 19:57:40 [Message] fred_haas -> -EdTechTalk: @Melissa Smith - Only if they actually read and understand them, ha!
2009-05-04 19:57:42 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: but for writing - it should reflect more on student growth
2009-05-04 19:57:47 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: wow, "take me out of myself"--rubric as  transcendent experience!
2009-05-04 19:58:22 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: why do I feel like a bad student passing notes at the back of the class as i t ype these notes while e.g., Maja talks?
2009-05-04 19:58:39 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: this is liveblogging at it's best Jim
2009-05-04 19:58:47 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Back channel chatter is very important, Jim.
2009-05-04 19:59:02 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Jim, think more "Twitter" and less "MST3K"
2009-05-04 19:59:10 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Don't feel bad, Jim--I'm doing it while you talk.  :-)
2009-05-04 19:59:13 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: @fred - ha!  i watched a teacher read it to 4th grade boys who all looked like deers in head lights - you do have to spice up the rubric and put it in kid language.  Teachers get so formal in the rubric that it can become foreign.
2009-05-04 19:59:16 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: MST3K?
2009-05-04 19:59:42 [Message] fred_haas -> -EdTechTalk: I occasionally throw out the rubrics and only add feedback in the form of questions to force certain kinds of revision
2009-05-04 19:59:43 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Mystery Science Theater 3000: comedy show with robots talking over bad sci-fi movies.
2009-05-04 19:59:49 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: got it
2009-05-04 20:00:00 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: hilarious show!
2009-05-04 20:00:12 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: we can hear you typing!
2009-05-04 20:00:28 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Throw in some subliminal messages, James!
2009-05-04 20:00:38 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: I guess back channels simply reflect what has always gone on internally during lectures but it becomes collaborative and creative?
2009-05-04 20:00:38 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: that noise is the new pencil tapping on the desk.
2009-05-04 20:00:42 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: I was just thinking the same thing @jmiscavish
2009-05-04 20:00:51 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: That's me!!!
2009-05-04 20:01:05 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Need to look into NWP
2009-05-04 20:01:12 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: NWP?
2009-05-04 20:01:17 [Message] mtechman -> -EdTechTalk: teachers I know in VA say the Writing Proj has been best PD
2009-05-04 20:01:28 [Message] fred_haas -> -EdTechTalk: National Writing Project is a pretty transformative experience, no doubt
2009-05-04 20:01:35 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: Ah thanks
2009-05-04 20:01:41 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: you would love the NWP Meredith and would bring a lot to it. Great NWPs down the Carolinas
2009-05-04 20:01:51 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Natl Writing Project http://www.nwp.org/
2009-05-04 20:01:55 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: I wish NWP was closer to where I live. Far daily commute for a month for me.
2009-05-04 20:02:06 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: I've been invited to NWP 2 summers in a row, but it's at a bad time for me and my family
2009-05-04 20:02:16 [Message] mtechman -> -EdTechTalk: back channel's utility and purpose depends on audience - seen lots of "academic disdain" in some younger users.....
2009-05-04 20:02:19 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: Summer after next I'm doing it for sure
2009-05-04 20:02:32 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: 'academic disdain'?
2009-05-04 20:02:38 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: @jmiscavish - me too, if I can get in
2009-05-04 20:02:52 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: I think I'd be HORRIBLE during a church back channel twitter
2009-05-04 20:03:10 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: agreed - back channel can be a tough critical wake up but I guess also a real time feedback tool for testing engagement!
2009-05-04 20:03:12 [Message] mtechman -> -EdTechTalk: kids on devices where whole convo is "you going to the dance?"
2009-05-04 20:03:51 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Have you seen this @jmiscavish http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1895463,00.html
2009-05-04 20:04:11 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: Best compliment about EC Ning (from Fran Claggett, early leader with NWP): "The EC Ning is the most important development within the profession since the NWP."
2009-05-04 20:04:22 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: sweet
2009-05-04 20:04:36 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: and, yes, I have seen that - that's what made me think about it
2009-05-04 20:05:09 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: this is like the 'can't teach what you don't do' discussion
2009-05-04 20:05:21 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: We did a book talk thing on a school ning - it didn't take off as well - they should have done  the book talks in EC Ning - more conversations!
2009-05-04 20:05:23 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: Just finished reading 'They Say, I say' - templating can really help I think in scaffolding good writing
2009-05-04 20:05:53 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: my math teacher friend mocks how much we write on the EC Ning
2009-05-04 20:05:58 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: HAHA - how hasn't it?
2009-05-04 20:06:05 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: We could do equations instead...
2009-05-04 20:06:16 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: I'm helping dozens of new teachers get themselves going
2009-05-04 20:06:20 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: especially in tech
2009-05-04 20:06:28 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Jim feels like he is surrounded by the buzzing of the hive and can't hear himself think
2009-05-04 20:06:38 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: it would be wrong if the EC Ning didn't have a lot of writing!
2009-05-04 20:06:40 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: lulz - I called it
2009-05-04 20:07:12 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Maja, I can't do equations. I'm not good at "right answers" :-)
2009-05-04 20:07:16 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: mike umphrey has really challenged a lot of my views on literature
2009-05-04 20:07:28 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: umphrey is amazing
2009-05-04 20:07:30 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: I can't do them either...
2009-05-04 20:07:36 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: all his responses are poetry
2009-05-04 20:08:01 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: so long as I get my residual check
2009-05-04 20:08:08 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Michael rocks!
2009-05-04 20:08:12 [Message] mtechman -> -EdTechTalk: must tell fellow librarians about the ning - tons of good stuff there
2009-05-04 20:08:21 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: we want Jim to still be able to support his fam :)
2009-05-04 20:08:36 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: I would NEVER give up the books. Ning is blocked at school!
2009-05-04 20:08:41 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: Agreed that ECNing is amazing. When combined w/twitter, has helped me get over feeling like I was on an island!
2009-05-04 20:08:51 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: Planning to buy a couple books this summer, Jim. :)
2009-05-04 20:09:24 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: i'm ordering letters to a new teacher
2009-05-04 20:09:27 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: We're all on an island, Mrs. Follis. We're just there together. :-)
2009-05-04 20:09:50 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: A tribe on the island?
2009-05-04 20:09:55 [Message] Melissa Smith -> -EdTechTalk: 5 yr old requesting coloring partner - Bye
2009-05-04 20:09:56 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: Great read
2009-05-04 20:10:27 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Yes, but we're grown ups. We'll work together and enjoy the paradise, not kill each other. :-)
2009-05-04 20:10:39 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: I hope I don't get voted out
2009-05-04 20:10:44 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: You won't vote me off if I don't vote you off, then?
2009-05-04 20:10:51 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: (teaching [u]Lord of the Flies[/u])
2009-05-04 20:10:55 [Message] mtechman -> -EdTechTalk: have to go  - bye all, bye Sue!
2009-05-04 20:11:02 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Robinson's The Element http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1895463,00.html
2009-05-04 20:11:07 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Not voted off--waiting for rescue!!
2009-05-04 20:11:08 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Grrr no
2009-05-04 20:11:15 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: how long is this, btw? I do have some work to do tonight - planning
2009-05-04 20:11:26 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: You can't leave now, James...
2009-05-04 20:11:33 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Here's the right link for the Element http://www.amazon.com/Element-Finding-Passion-Changes-Everything/dp/0670...
2009-05-04 20:11:46 [Message] aprogers -> -EdTechTalk: I had an interesting summer read issue today
2009-05-04 20:11:46 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: We finish at 8:30
2009-05-04 20:11:50 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: EDT
2009-05-04 20:11:51 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: Furious typing, lol.
2009-05-04 20:12:12 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: like in 20mins? 8:30 eastern?
2009-05-04 20:12:23 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Yup.
2009-05-04 20:12:23 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: yes
2009-05-04 20:12:27 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: thanx
2009-05-04 20:12:36 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Maja, I had to give a PD workshop on 6 traits to non-believers; I used your book to make the point that they didn't have to agree and had good company. Just knowing your book exists made people feel better about required rubrics.
2009-05-04 20:13:01 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: i'm still not quite sold on 6 traits
2009-05-04 20:13:09 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: :-)
2009-05-04 20:13:18 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: why put writing into little boxes? 
2009-05-04 20:13:18 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: I use 6 traits...really like the idea.
2009-05-04 20:13:25 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: However, what else would I teach?
2009-05-04 20:13:33 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: find it easy to teach younger children that way.
2009-05-04 20:13:49 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: link for 'English Teacher's Companion ' please (UK based if poss) :)
2009-05-04 20:14:01 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: it's like a garden
2009-05-04 20:14:09 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: http://englishcompanion.ning.com/
2009-05-04 20:14:19 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: Thankyou :)
2009-05-04 20:14:19 [Message] aprogers -> -EdTechTalk: how does a rubric address the student who continually misspells the same word
2009-05-04 20:14:23 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Barbara
2009-05-04 20:14:28 [Message] barbara phillips -> -EdTechTalk: hi
2009-05-04 20:14:42 [Message] barbara phillips -> -EdTechTalk: i don't hear anything
2009-05-04 20:14:48 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: I see it as giving students language to discuss writing. I prep kids to take state grad test and state uses rubric that we're mandated to use, too.
2009-05-04 20:14:49 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: I believe that is conventions @aprogers
2009-05-04 20:14:59 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: Click on icon under EdTechTalk A
2009-05-04 20:15:13 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: sorry, google analytics, you have not tracked me in two years - *mr. burns laugh*
2009-05-04 20:15:22 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Twitter keeps driving conversation back to the Ning.
2009-05-04 20:15:27 [Message] aprogers -> -EdTechTalk: :) yes but a rubric doesn't penalize them so that they stop
2009-05-04 20:15:43 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Is penalty the only way to get students to improve?
2009-05-04 20:15:54 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: twitter great way to highlight convos on the Ning
2009-05-04 20:16:08 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: KG is hardcore
2009-05-04 20:16:15 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Audience seems to help more than penalizing, IMHO
2009-05-04 20:16:21 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: I loved Readicide.
2009-05-04 20:16:32 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: @jmiscavish no one is hard core compared to you :)
2009-05-04 20:16:36 [Message] aprogers -> -EdTechTalk: not my point
2009-05-04 20:16:39 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: @aprogers, then stop grading the papers until they get it right - an F until they revise
2009-05-04 20:16:43 [Message] lmelfi -> -EdTechTalk:  Lisa, with what age group are you using 6 Traits?
2009-05-04 20:16:54 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: 10 year olds...fifth grade
2009-05-04 20:17:09 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: yeah, I'm beastin over here
2009-05-04 20:17:24 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: seeing that list was really daunting
2009-05-04 20:17:26 [Message] aprogers -> -EdTechTalk: and then they do it again on the next paper
2009-05-04 20:17:32 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: What's after readicide? I missed it.
2009-05-04 20:17:37 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Jim def gets less sleep than I need
2009-05-04 20:17:50 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Holding ONto Good Ideas In a Time of Bad Ones, Tom Newkirk
2009-05-04 20:17:52 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: @aprogers, keep giving them Fs until it reflects on them that they need to proofread
2009-05-04 20:17:55 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: I don't give an F until they revise; I give no credit and return it. If they don't fix it and resubmit same paper, then F.
2009-05-04 20:17:57 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: I still need to do that exercise
2009-05-04 20:18:37 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: @jen - that's good, too
2009-05-04 20:18:48 [Message] aprogers -> -EdTechTalk: but, if using rubrics how to justify to parents
2009-05-04 20:19:04 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: yey - just joined the ning - looks very cool - there goes another nights sleep!
2009-05-04 20:19:39 [Message] aprogers -> -EdTechTalk: I've had very few turned back in ....they just accept the low grade
2009-05-04 20:19:46 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: #andyfisher - Well worth the time! Imagine what can be done this summer as everyone revamps curriculum!
2009-05-04 20:19:52 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: lol - justify? Show them the essays - all of them - with the errors
2009-05-04 20:19:59 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: I skyped w/ Karen Labonte's class b/c of the Ning
2009-05-04 20:20:11 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: I love Karen!!
2009-05-04 20:20:29 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: I remember! You didn't sound like a cartoon!
2009-05-04 20:20:41 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: I had no idea she taught at Columbia until after the class. I was a little freaked out :)
2009-05-04 20:20:51 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: @aprogers - could just do more and more drafts
2009-05-04 20:21:12 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: until they get it right
2009-05-04 20:21:20 [Message] barbara phillips -> -EdTechTalk: when does the next book group start
2009-05-04 20:21:31 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: junish
2009-05-04 20:21:42 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Yay Ning get-together
2009-05-04 20:21:42 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: a get together? seriously?
2009-05-04 20:21:48 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: #imrsf yes - roll on the summer - I am pulling another day's work each night at the moment - just built my blog, learning podcasting - steepest learning curve of my life but I am loving every minute of it :)
2009-05-04 20:21:53 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: next book group for Kelly's book starts around June 1
2009-05-04 20:21:56 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: jmiscavish is SO jealous
2009-05-04 20:22:04 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: come!
2009-05-04 20:22:07 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: Karen is amazing! One of my many adopted mentors online. (I adopted them, with or without permission! ha)
2009-05-04 20:22:18 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: @andy - good luck - going edtech is freaking sweet
2009-05-04 20:22:22 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: when and where is it?
2009-05-04 20:22:27 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: at NCTE
2009-05-04 20:22:32 [Message] Sue Waters -> -EdTechTalk: LOL love that adopting of online mentors without permission
2009-05-04 20:22:39 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: What a great list of people here with us...I wish I could see you all!
2009-05-04 20:23:00 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: I'm going to NCTE this year!
2009-05-04 20:23:03 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: no you don't I didn't a chance to shower after the gym :)
2009-05-04 20:23:09 [Message] barbara phillips -> -EdTechTalk: yes I am!
2009-05-04 20:23:23 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: Yay! Can't wait to meet you Jen
2009-05-04 20:23:23 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: #jmiscavish - good to be here!  Next stop Second Life - goodbye early nights!
2009-05-04 20:23:37 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Same here!
2009-05-04 20:23:40 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: Are we "backchanneling" wrong?
2009-05-04 20:23:42 [Message] lmelfi -> -EdTechTalk: I love that I can just listen and gather resources. I have five different tabs open        with all of the books
2009-05-04 20:23:52 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: no the old folks just don't understand
2009-05-04 20:23:56 [Message] Sue Waters -> -EdTechTalk: no there are no rule to backchanneling
2009-05-04 20:23:56 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: yeah, really?  I'm awesome at backchanneling...
2009-05-04 20:23:59 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: i have kids chat in class sometimes
2009-05-04 20:24:03 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Not saying it's wrong...just surprised that it is new to so many.
2009-05-04 20:24:17 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: I'm not such a young folk and I get it!
2009-05-04 20:24:22 [Message] Sue Waters -> -EdTechTalk: excpet to be polite in backchannel
2009-05-04 20:24:23 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: when and where is the ncte ning get together?
2009-05-04 20:24:25 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: I have 2!
2009-05-04 20:24:36 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: no Ning for me b/c kids are under 12 :(
2009-05-04 20:24:44 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: violates ToS
2009-05-04 20:24:57 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: I heart the class ning.
2009-05-04 20:25:03 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: is this audio going to be archived?  I've got to save Jim Burke dropping my name...
2009-05-04 20:25:13 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: lol James
2009-05-04 20:25:16 [Message] Susan -> -EdTechTalk: audio will be archived
2009-05-04 20:25:21 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: @jmis yes
2009-05-04 20:25:22 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: sweet
2009-05-04 20:25:36 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Yes it will be archived
2009-05-04 20:25:42 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: zach greinke is a freak...go royals
2009-05-04 20:25:51 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: sounds like 'Little Brother' - next step - gait detectors!!
2009-05-04 20:26:37 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: i forgot your name was meredith...I get so used to handles
2009-05-04 20:26:40 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: yes, it's archived, James, but not sure how. Through iTunes?
2009-05-04 20:26:55 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: I think so, my comp opened itunes to listen
2009-05-04 20:27:26 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: wouldn't want teachers to actually think :)
2009-05-04 20:27:34 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: somebody must have gone outside...
2009-05-04 20:27:42 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: good pt to bring up maja
2009-05-04 20:27:44 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: I try to think as little as possible
2009-05-04 20:27:55 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: i love Jim's high tech w/ low tech ideas
2009-05-04 20:28:04 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: NO!
2009-05-04 20:28:11 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: This was awesome.
2009-05-04 20:28:13 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: Me too, Meredith! I use them whenever possible.
2009-05-04 20:28:16 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: Great opportunity - thanks
2009-05-04 20:28:30 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you, everyone!
2009-05-04 20:28:37 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: I saw the tweet
2009-05-04 20:28:41 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: i missed the full first half hour
2009-05-04 20:28:45 [Message] aprogers -> -EdTechTalk: me too
2009-05-04 20:28:52 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: stupid 'yard work'
2009-05-04 20:28:57 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: Me too, james. Was this a one time deal?
2009-05-04 20:29:05 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: no thank you, jim!
2009-05-04 20:29:14 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: Yeah - a regular time to look out for?
2009-05-04 20:29:30 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: @aprogers, hope you get your rubric issues sorted out - join the englishcompanion.ning.com for more help - people will have ideas
2009-05-04 20:29:42 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: sarah, you're too late
2009-05-04 20:29:43 [Message] aprogers -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks, I am a member
2009-05-04 20:29:45 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks everyone!
2009-05-04 20:29:46 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: see you all on the Ning later!
2009-05-04 20:29:49 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: it's almost over
2009-05-04 20:29:51 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: your welcome!
2009-05-04 20:29:56 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: you're welcome!
2009-05-04 20:30:01 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: James is a ning master, eh? :)
2009-05-04 20:30:03 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: one of those two...
2009-05-04 20:30:09 [Message] Jim Burke -> -EdTechTalk: lol, James, I wasn't going to correct your YOUR
2009-05-04 20:30:11 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: who helped you?
2009-05-04 20:30:13 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: don't inflate his head anymore
2009-05-04 20:30:32 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: ::D
2009-05-04 20:30:43 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: :D
2009-05-04 20:30:51 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: i won't be able to fit through the door, soon
2009-05-04 20:31:15 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: http://teachersaretalking.blogspot.com/
2009-05-04 20:31:20 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Wow!  All this immortalized!
2009-05-04 20:31:30 [Message] barbara phillips -> -EdTechTalk: this is terrific
2009-05-04 20:31:33 [Message] barbara phillips -> -EdTechTalk: i will be back
2009-05-04 20:31:34 [Message] majawilson -> -EdTechTalk: Even your misspelling, James!
2009-05-04 20:31:39 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: Will be here more often - really looking forward to it
2009-05-04 20:31:45 [Message] lisaparisi -> -EdTechTalk: Good night.
2009-05-04 20:31:53 [Message] andyfisher -> -EdTechTalk: Good night :)
2009-05-04 20:31:57 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: that was fun!
2009-05-04 20:32:04 [Message] jmiscavish -> -EdTechTalk: keep it real edtechtalk
2009-05-04 20:32:07 [Message] imrsf -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks Jim!!!
2009-05-04 20:32:13 [Message] msstewart -> -EdTechTalk: peace out (as my 6th gr would say)
2009-05-04 20:32:23 [Message] JenAnsbach -> -EdTechTalk: Good night!