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11:27:46 Sheila : Morning Peggy
11:28:05 Lisa Parisi : Hello
11:28:45 PeggyG : will you be streaming on ustream?
11:28:55 Sheila : yes
11:28:56 Lisa Parisi : ustream only today
11:29:22 PeggyG : Hi Miguel! So glad to agreed to come back to continue this conversation--brilliant topic suggestion!
11:29:42 PeggyG : Hi Amanda!
11:30:00 marragem : Hi Peggy!
11:30:06 Lisa Parisi : Hello Amanda
11:30:14 Sheila 2 : Hey Amanda!
11:30:15 marragem : Morning everyone!
11:30:25 Sheila 2 : Conversations will be starting in a few minutes.
11:30:48 marragem : I'm pretending I'm in your timezone and it's still Sunday
11:30:56 Sheila 2 : :)
11:30:58 PeggyG : good idea Amanda :-)
11:31:21 PeggyG : pretending is a good thing :-)
11:31:28 Lisa Parisi : ustream is starting
11:31:41 marragem : but in 29 days....
11:32:16 PeggyG : audio is great
11:33:20 PeggyG : I've been participating in a fantastic online food photography workshop most of the weekend. Amazing to watch a professional photographer teach us about food and culture!
11:33:42 Sheila 2 : Sounds very interesting!
11:33:42 marragem : sounds fun, Peggy
11:33:49 MGuhlin.org : aww
11:34:29 marragem : I found the song that reminded me of
11:34:31 PeggyG : http://www.ustream.tv/creativelive They offered this workshop for free :-)
11:34:57 MGuhlin.org : Hi, peggyG!
11:35:02 PeggyG : food photography with a professional photographer from National Geographic :-)
11:35:40 PeggyG : we need to establish your credibility Miguel :-) just teasing...
11:35:40 Lisa Parisi : HEllo Maureen
11:35:45 PeggyG : Hi Maureen
11:35:57 Maureen : Good morning Lisa and everyone
11:36:03 k_timms : good morning
11:36:04 marragem : Hi Maureen
11:36:35 Lisa Parisi : Good morning, K_timms.
11:36:44 Maureen : Goodness Amanda! Are you on holiday? Isn't if awfully early, or late for you?
11:36:45 PeggyG : I'm so grateful that you share so willingly, openly and frequently, Miguel! I learn so much from you!
11:37:02 PeggyG : Yes! M Scott Peck! Love his books!
11:37:58 PeggyG : I think this is such an important conversation because I'm sure all of us have considered this question for ourselves at one time or another
11:38:10 marragem : yes, it's after 1:30 am but I can sleep in -have an ICT network day later today
11:38:27 Lisa Parisi : WElcome to the chat, Maria.
11:38:29 PeggyG : this question led me to retirement :-)
11:38:36 MariaK : finally hardwired
11:38:38 Lisa Parisi : REally, Peggy?
11:38:43 PeggyG : :-)
11:38:54 PeggyG : yes
11:38:55 marragem : there was a Carey Landry song based on this back in the 80's. Big in Catholic schools
11:39:24 MariaK : hey amanda...yawn
11:39:40 PeggyG : in retirement I moved to bloom :-)
11:39:53 marragem : I napper earlier, Maria. Not tired...yet
11:40:32 PeggyG : would love to hear Scott McCloud's rationale for your decision Miguel
11:40:57 Maureen : It's a very hard decision. I love my school, but really don't see any change happening. But I am also too old to really pick up and move.
11:41:01 MGuhlin.org : Scott says, "Move to where you will bloom" (although that's a paraphrase, not a quote)
11:41:15 PeggyG : hard to make a decision to move in education because of salary schedules, tenure status, etc. may lost a lot
11:41:31 MGuhlin.org : @Maureen wow, that's how many folks feel! Me, too and I'm only 42! 8->
11:41:35 Sheila 2 : I had immediate reactions to this subject, but I think my reaction would be different when I was younger.
11:42:10 PeggyG : one of my teachers left to start a personal business after 25 years in education--business didn't work out and she had to return to step one of the salary schedule when she returned to teaching. Very sad.
11:42:31 PeggyG : interesting point Sheila! didn't think about age as a factor
11:42:33 MGuhlin.org : Is our inability to handle change/risk keep us in toxic environments? How can we better adapt to risk/change so we can move and bloom in non-toxic environments?
11:42:44 marragem : I've been pondering a move for a few years but can't find a school that will allow me to do what I do...so doing an exchange instead!
11:42:55 Maureen : @mguhlin I have a few decades on you... my house is almost paid for, and I like it here- except when I don't.
11:43:13 Sheila 2 : :) Maureen.
11:43:36 MGuhlin.org : how does blogging and social media provide an emotional safety net for us to endure toxic environments?
11:43:54 marragem : think I've still managed to bloom in what was a toxic environment. Just have to change your thinking, not let things bother you
11:44:02 Maureen : I can do whatever I want in my classroom, but I want others around me to change as well. I cannot change the culture of my school.
11:44:30 MGuhlin.org : great question...how can you work without investment?
11:44:38 McTeach (Karen) : You're lucky Maureen...I can't seem to do anything I want to in my classroom anymore.
11:44:39 Lisa Parisi : Having support among others, Miguel, definitely helps. 26 years ago, there was no social network.
11:44:42 PeggyG : an exchange is an interesting alternative Amanda!
11:45:38 PeggyG : I think having a PLN via social networking definitely helps but I wonder if we use what we learn to improve our own situation or if it's just a safe place to survive?
11:45:45 Maureen : Hey Karen... Didn't even see you sneak in. I have freedom to do whatever I want, pretty much- but nobody cares. The culture at my school is so very traditional.
11:45:48 Lisa Parisi : Hello John.
11:46:03 Lisa Parisi : Hello, Techyturner.
11:46:08 woodenmask : Good morning.
11:46:13 MariaK : Hi John
11:46:21 woodenmask : Morning, Ma'am
11:46:22 MariaK : good morning to you!
11:46:24 PeggyG : Hi McTeach!! So glad you could join us :-)
11:46:25 techyturner : Hi. trying to get the broadcast on so I can hear it.
11:46:41 PeggyG : Hi techyturner! Haven't seen you in ages! Welcome!
11:46:44 marragem : Peggy -I can't change the culture amongst my staff, can't change the the culture of my employer, too old to change systems, so an exchange will move me out of my comfort zone
11:46:44 Lisa Parisi : it's on ustream only today.
11:46:48 PeggyG : streaming on ustream
11:46:53 McTeach (Karen) : Hi Peggy! Somebody forced me to get out of bed! :P
11:46:55 techyturner : Thank you
11:47:11 MGuhlin.org : Wow, my heart is beating fast and I feel anxious as I listen to you all. anyone else getting emotional?
11:47:17 Maureen : I sent the art teacher a Escher like tessellation that one of my sixth graders made this week. She wants to learn how to do it in SketchUp- wants to collaborate with me and math. Little dreams... but not much action
11:47:19 MGuhlin.org : Kinda neat to reflect on this
11:47:28 PeggyG : :-) @McTeach--maybe it was somebody higher up forcing you to get out of bed??!!
11:47:35 Lisa Parisi : Maureen, run with it.
11:47:50 McTeach (Karen) : @Peggy...is Arizona "higher up"???
11:48:00 PeggyG : nope
11:48:11 PeggyG : just the messenger
11:48:28 McTeach (Karen) : :)
11:48:41 Lisa Parisi : Hello Jamie
11:48:47 PeggyG : I think this topic is less "emotional" when you've already made your decision and are at peace with it
11:49:01 Sheila 2 : True Peggy!
11:49:24 Sheila 2 : Do you reflect more when you are planted or looking to move?
11:49:27 MGuhlin.org : @PeggyG That may mean I'm not at peace with my decision.
11:49:30 MGuhlin.org : 8->
11:49:40 MGuhlin.org : Radioactive soil.
11:49:43 Maureen : I know that feeling Maria. I've lived here since '78. Hard to even think about moving. Been working at the same school since "91. I don't think I want to work in a public school and other options are very very limited- especially given my age.
11:49:44 PeggyG : I think so Miguel
11:50:28 MGuhlin.org : How can we ask questions that don't threaten people? Make environment safe for questions.
11:50:41 PeggyG : when you're struggling with a decision like this there is a tendency to think "the grass is greener" somewhere else but you bring your baggage with you
11:50:49 Lisa Parisi : Maybe we need to stop being defensive when people ask us questions.
11:50:51 MGuhlin.org : @PeggyG yes, agreed.
11:50:53 techyturner : Topic: Are we blooming where we are planted or do we need to move?
11:51:18 PeggyG : @Miguel- you can't control how others respond to your questions (feeling threatened, etc.) But it's still really important to ask them
11:51:22 McTeach (Karen) : @Peggy...yes..no matter where you go, there you are!
11:51:23 Maureen : @mguhlin That's the problem- everyone always feels threatened just by asking questions. They feel like it's judgmental.
11:51:35 PeggyG : exactly McTeah :-) wise person said that!
11:52:19 PeggyG : consensus requires hard work!! easier to have someone tell you what to do and then complain about the decision (sic)...
11:52:32 Sheila 2 : Reflection can be uncomfortable for some especially when not feeling confident.
11:52:37 Maureen : At our last full faculty meeting- in response to some questions I asked- my boss said at least twice in his response "I;m not being defensive, but..." It was pretty clear that I was not supposed to ask these questions
11:52:37 Sheila 2 : Do you reflect more when you are planted or looking to move?
11:53:34 Maureen : @Peggy G I agree- At my school everyone complains, but won't work to change. It cannot happen magically
11:53:37 PeggyG : excellent points about asking questions @Miguel!
11:53:39 techyturner : @Sheila2 I reflect in both environments.
11:54:28 MGuhlin.org : You're so encouraging @PeggyG. Is that how the rest of us should be? Does that work to be affirming? You know what I'm saying?
11:54:47 PeggyG : I've been observing an amazing person in the professional photography workshop this weekend and she is a masterful person at giving feedback and challenging thinking in a constructive way. Very insightful for me!
11:54:53 MGuhlin.org : @PeggyG I admire that.
11:54:54 Sheila 2 : I found TET very helpful. Teacher Effectiveness Training. I pulled it out for another teacher this week.
11:55:02 Deya -> puentesalmundo: si o en el centro de la pantalla, la flecha grande
11:55:10 PeggyG : Yes I think it's important to find the positive in things and support them
11:55:12 MariaK : @sheila - I used to be a trainer for that! LOL
11:55:17 Maureen : I met with my boss and we talked about starting a PLC... to help move things forward. Then he pretty much said no to the people I wanted to invite. Kind of don't want it to be invitation only...
11:55:27 PeggyG : I think there is something positive in every experience
11:55:56 MGuhlin.org : @PeggyG yes...so how to handle the situation Lisa describes now?
11:56:30 Sheila 2 : You have to model and walk the walk yourself.
11:57:11 PeggyG : always interesting that people outside of your immediate network (school) think you are an expert and people in your own school don't want to listen--they want to hire consultants from the outside to do exactly what you are already doing
11:57:26 PeggyG : pant pant
11:57:33 Maureen : @Sheila I find it harder to model and have people see that they can apply the same model in MS than it was in lower grades, since everyone seems to think that their discipline is special, different and my model cannot work there
11:57:34 Lisa Parisi : Yes, Peggy.
11:58:08 Maureen : @Peggy- Yes- that prophet in your own land thing- it's true
11:59:02 techyturner : @peggy @maureen That has happen to me many times.
11:59:04 Sheila 2 : I had a teacher come up to me in front of others acknowledging how well I listen to everyone and try to compromise, just when I felt I was losing it! You never know your impact!
11:59:27 marragem : Peggy - you've just described the environment I'm in
11:59:40 Maureen : When I was in Boston last week at edcamp I listened to a HS english teacher explain how she uses google spreadsheets to grade- and give feedback on essays. She was so enthusiastic... wish my English teachers could catch some of that
11:59:43 Sheila 2 : I keep pluggin away, but I also look for people who will challenge me in my thinking.
11:59:48 woodenmask : I'm fortunate, but intimidated in that I work at a school with insanely talented colleagues, where most of them ARE better than me. It's still hard to bloom; my pot is irregular. #BeatingAMetaphorSenseless
11:59:53 PeggyG : I love the concept that Steve Farber promotes in his book "Greater Than Yourself"--To be a great leader you need to strive to make others greater than yourself
12:00:15 PeggyG : that's really true Sheila!! you never know your impact
12:00:56 Maureen : @woodenmask- I've used your blog and your examples of some of your projects and Paul's projects to show history teachers.. get the same reaction... doesn't fit with what they are doing..... I just don't get it
12:01:02 PeggyG : if you're working to make others "greater than yourself" you're not feeling defensive and threatened
12:01:43 McTeach (Karen) : That's what I'm feeling like I have to do. Just do what you're told so you don't get yelled at anymore.
12:01:45 PeggyG : sometimes they truly don't "get it" Maureen. They need to see it work for them to understand.
12:02:07 MGuhlin.org : @Karen Thanks for acknowledging that.
12:02:13 Maureen : @peggyG- how do you get them to even try something new?
12:02:58 McTeach (Karen) : @Miguel...wish I didn't have to. It's really killing me to not do what I think would work best in my classroom.
12:03:05 PeggyG : wonder what would happen if you took on your administrator/principal as a Greater Than Yourself project?? Is that too far fetched to think you could find positive in what they are doing and build on it?
12:03:14 MGuhlin.org : @Karen isn't it nice to admit it, though? Who could you tell at your workplace?
12:03:35 PeggyG : don't focus on the person--focus on what they do to support learning
12:03:46 Maureen : @McTeach- even our head of school knows that everyone is just keeping their head down... and grumbling- but making the culture change to a place where people feel valued and encouraged to try and talk- is not something that I can see happening. I think it has to be admin down... but he thinks it's a grassroots thing...
12:03:47 McTeach (Karen) : @Miguel...actually, everyone knows how I'm being treated, without me telling them.
12:03:53 MGuhlin.org : Does blooming always mean doing it your way and swimming upstream against the current?
12:04:08 Lisa Parisi : For me, it does, Miguel.
12:04:09 MGuhlin.org : @Karen yes, without speaking it aloud, it continues
12:04:25 McTeach (Karen) : @Peggy What if what they're doing doesn't support learning? What do we do?
12:04:26 Lisa Parisi : Doesn't mean it's right, just that it's what I need to bloom
12:04:49 Lisa Parisi : I would love for my way of blooming to be standard in the school. Imagine the support I would have from colleagues.
12:05:01 Sheila 2 : @Karen I was in a situation like that several years back. I found other avenues to reflect and get support. Not a happy situation, but I was so focused in my classroom. Eventually, the staff started to voice their opinions too. It started to turn. Actually pulled staff together for a bit.
12:05:02 PeggyG : administrators definitely play an important role in establishing school culture but they aren't the only ones. Look at the example of Identity Day that George Couros started. Powerful way to build community
12:05:15 Maureen : @Maria- my daughter was asked to take 3 yr olds in to do some testing on the computers... she refused... and eventually won.
12:05:23 MGuhlin.org : Is the personal journey towards becoming a better person always involve swimming against organizational currents?
12:05:39 PeggyG : @McTeach--is there NOTHING they are doing to support learning? Who is telling them what to do? Board? Boss? Are they in conflict too?
12:05:48 Lisa Parisi : No. Sometimes people agree with the organizational currents, Miguel.
12:06:34 Maureen : Why can't we have a PLN at our own schools- why does it come from outside? Or is it just me and my school? I feel far more supported by online PLN than I do in my school.
12:06:35 McTeach (Karen) : @Peggy She would prefer it if we taught like they did in the 1800's. Not sure how that can support learning.
12:06:36 PeggyG : probably that's true Miguel--at least right now in education!!
12:06:41 MGuhlin.org : So, if the org currents are aligned with not learning--as Karen suggests--and you need to align yourself with your org currents, should you move or persist as a rock being eroded?
12:07:07 PeggyG : those organization currents are everywhere--not just where you are now
12:07:27 MGuhlin.org : hahaha...love the frog story
12:07:38 PeggyG : me too :-)
12:07:39 marragem : I'm with you Maureen - far more support from my online PLN. Often feel an outsider at my school
12:07:43 MGuhlin.org : we keep hoping for the kiss to transform the frog, but we're the frog in the pot
12:07:44 Maureen : @Miguel is it always a rock being eroded? Or can it be a small dam affecting change in the stream?
12:07:46 MGuhlin.org : ;->
12:07:50 PeggyG : your secrets out...
12:08:03 McTeach (Karen) : @Miguel...last year, I decided to stay another year because I hoped that I could be a rock where others could gather around. Instead, I've been eroded.
12:08:12 techyturner : @miguel I don't think it always goes against organizational currents. I believe that people/organizations change and it may go against sooner or later.
12:08:14 PeggyG : changing grade levels and classrooms can often be a renewing experience
12:08:48 MGuhlin.org : We thrive on conflict and challenge to push us.
12:08:50 MGuhlin.org : 8->
12:09:13 Sheila 2 : If things were perfect, would we reflect?
12:09:24 Maureen : It seems like much of the conversation now seems to be around tech, but back before tech was an issue- didn't you always look for change? Ways to do things better?
12:09:36 techyturner : @shiela2 I would b/c that is what I do.
12:09:40 Lisa Parisi : I always do, Maureen, with or without tech.
12:10:13 Sheila 2 : Yes, Maureen. Nothing's perfect for me.
12:10:25 MGuhlin.org : @Maureen yes, of course. As a writing workshop facilitator, I drove the grammar teachers crazy. That's part of the point isn't it? Is this type of cognitive tension just normal to the human condition, perhaps, even necessary?
12:10:26 PeggyG : I personally think that if you are in a school environment that is caustic and detrimental to both students and teachers you shouldn't stay. Damage to kids and teachers is different than thinking we need to change/grow.
12:10:43 MGuhlin.org : Insight as a result of today's Conversation?
12:10:52 marragem : @Maureen - yes - always changing , constantly pruning
12:10:58 Maureen : @Lisa Yes, back when I taught K I always looked for ways to do it differently- always learning. I remember when I discovered KinderKorner- a listserv... was thrilled to be able to connect to others.
12:11:13 PeggyG : I agree with you Maureen! Good teachers were always looking for ways to improve their teacher (both before and after technology integration)
12:11:42 PeggyG : I was on the KinderKorner listserv too Maureen!!
12:12:18 Maureen : @peggyG... that's funny... my old user name used to be ecdivco... probably talked to you back then too
12:12:27 PeggyG : as a principal, I joined teacher listservs for almost every grade level so I could learn what the issues and teaching strategies were around the country and not just in our school/district
12:12:54 Sheila 2 : If you have too many people to reflect with, challenge you, do you then feel discouraged?
12:13:14 PeggyG : I still follow quite a few teacher listservs and the conversations there are often different than they are in ed tech PLNs
12:13:26 Maureen : @peggyg I find that at an independent school that our school leaders are looking much more to NAIS and their publications- and yes, it's an echo chamber for them
12:13:51 PeggyG : @Sheila--interesting question. Maybe you just have to think of it as "one at a time"??
12:14:17 Maureen : I find that my online PLN there are lots of people who push and challenge my thinking... even Lisa :-)
12:14:53 Lisa Parisi : It's always my goal, Maureen. LOL
12:14:56 PeggyG : @Maureen-did you know the KinderKorner list is still active? I still receive their digests
12:15:34 MariaK : good ol' KinderKorner listserve!
12:15:51 PeggyG : you definitely don't have to agree with everyone or have everyone agree with you to feel rewarded and renewed
12:15:55 MariaK : @peggyG me too - still receive the digests
12:15:59 Sheila 2 : Small victories!
12:16:01 PeggyG : I like that perspective Miguel
12:16:05 Maureen : @PeggyG I kind of dropped it when I had to switch jobs to teaching science and computer- I had waaaay to much to learn in a very short time. I also really wish I was still in K...so I tend to stay away from it- easier for me.
12:18:10 PeggyG : that white/black laptop makes me smile and remember how little things can change our perspective--how often do you sharpen your pencils and rearrange your room to try to motivate yourself to write something (yes writing without a computer) :-)
12:18:54 Sheila 2 : Validation
12:19:01 McTeach (Karen) : Can't wait for ISTE!! Need to be around like-minded people!
12:19:03 Maureen : Do you think that as women (mostly here) in a school that you don't get the audience that the male teachers get. It feels that way in my school... the guys get listened to- the rest of us- the vast majority- don't.
12:19:04 MGuhlin.org : Yes, @PeggyG exactly!! You mean, that happens to others, too?!? Re-arranging pencils, writing with a new pen on a different notebook (digital or otherwise) gets me going.
12:19:05 PeggyG : I get those looks too Lisa but you can still share--your enthusiasm is contagious even if your specific suggestions aren't followed
12:19:22 PeggyG : all the time Miguel!! it's how I operate!
12:20:00 Sheila 2 : Allowed to take risks
12:20:07 MGuhlin.org : @PeggyG haha
12:20:11 PeggyG : I don't think so Maureen--audience for male teachers. Really may depend on the administrator and their style.
12:20:14 Sheila 2 : And admit if it didn't work and think about how to fix it.
12:20:30 PeggyG : that's the really hard part Sheila!! admit it didn't work
12:20:51 Sheila 2 : True! Need the safe environment.
12:21:01 MGuhlin.org : rejoicing!
12:21:02 MGuhlin.org : hehe
12:21:09 Sheila 2 : Stepping out of your comfort zone.
12:21:32 Maureen : I get encouragment from individuals at school and I know that I help people- but it's more me fixing something on their computer, or showing them how to upload something, etc... not curricula stuff
12:21:36 PeggyG : those are the naysayers--the ones who say why change--we just keep recycling old things and if we wait long enough this trend will pass too
12:22:08 PeggyG : we have to keep focusing on the kids and what they need for learning and future success as life-long learners
12:22:15 MGuhlin.org : do you have to retire to achieve a well-balanced perspective? 8-> don't get mad at me. 8->
12:22:25 woodenmask : waves
12:22:25 PeggyG : no I don't think so Miguel
12:22:31 Maureen : @peggyg I heard the jump on the bandwagon statement at the last fac meeting... Like using tech in schools is a bandwagon... jeez!
12:22:34 marragem : you just have to be the best you can be
12:22:35 Lisa Parisi : Peggy, I hear that all the time. And as THE senior teacher in the school, I resent when younger teachers say it's not worth trying because this, too, shall pass.
12:23:10 PeggyG : very easy to resent those kinds of comments!! I do too!!! We should brainstorm some responses for when we hear those comments :-)
12:23:36 MGuhlin.org : What is the secret of being content in every situation? (that's a loaded question)
12:23:46 Maureen : content?
12:24:01 Maureen : I hope that I don't ever feel content Miguel
12:24:05 PeggyG : retirement doesn't have to mean leaving "education"! I think I am busier, have learned more/done more and influenced more with a renewed focus--just no paycheck...
12:24:24 Sheila 2 : You are busy Peggy!
12:24:31 MGuhlin.org : What does contentment mean to you, @Maureen?
12:24:38 Maureen : @peggyg I hope all the appreciation you get from all of us is a paycheck
12:24:45 PeggyG : not content Miguel because that means you've stopped trying to grow/change
12:24:45 woodenmask : That's a hard call, Maria. I'm not sure how you judge when you've stopped having an impact.
12:24:53 PeggyG : it is a HUGE paycheck!!!!!!
12:24:55 MGuhlin.org : @Maureen amen! @PeggyG you are great.
12:24:56 marragem : retirement? I have to keep working to pay for my overseas trips!
12:24:59 Maureen : Content means satisfied... haven't gottent there
12:26:15 PeggyG : I don't think we can ever be satisfied with where we are and what we are doing but we can celebrate each accomplishment and each small step (whether ours or someone elses)
12:27:08 Sheila 2 : I'm starting to get 2nd generations and people are starting to ask when I'm going to retire!! I have the years but not the age! They think I'm old! :(
12:27:39 PeggyG : it's the paperwork and documentation that drains us and takes time away from the creative teaching process
12:27:59 Maureen : I want to work in my garden all day....
12:27:59 PeggyG : I'm with you Sheila!!! Have fun!
12:28:29 PeggyG : Miguel is asking some great questions for us to reflect on!!
12:29:25 PeggyG : Let's go to dinner with Paul and find out what he meant :-)
12:29:40 MGuhlin.org : @PeggyG on your own! I'm not ready yet!!!
12:29:41 PeggyG : don't you wish you could go back in time to talk with wise people?? :-)
12:29:48 woodenmask : Thank you for the conversation - The Boy is demanding a sandwich.
12:29:59 PeggyG : Feed the boy @woodenmask
12:30:25 PeggyG : content is an interesting word...
12:30:48 PeggyG : I'm not sure toxic environments help bring out the best in us
12:31:12 PeggyG : challenging, questioning, frustrating environments maybe but not toxic
12:31:21 Lisa Parisi : YEs, Peggy.
12:32:24 PeggyG : has anyone developed a list of guiding questions to explore this topic individually?
12:32:35 Maureen : Reading A Daughters Walk... back to it now. Interesting historical novel.
12:32:43 PeggyG : this has been a great, thought-provoking conversation!!
12:33:03 PeggyG : thank you Miguel and the Conversations team!!! every week is a great conversation!
12:33:08 techyturner : Thanks for pushing my thinking today. Back to trimming the landscape.
12:33:30 PeggyG : so sorry you can't go to ISTE Miguel!!
12:33:31 McTeach (Karen) : Thanks everyone!
12:33:51 Maureen : I met Miguel - maybe in San Antonio... didn't realise he was so famous :-)
12:34:15 MGuhlin.org : @Maureen, I'm not famous, but when you haven't met the big mouth next door, there is some notoriety!
12:34:19 Lisa Parisi : Bye
12:34:25 PeggyG : Miguel is famous because he so willing shares and explores and questions with everyone!!!
12:34:30 techyturner : bye1
12:34:37 Maureen : bye
12:34:38 marragem : thanks everyone. I'm off to bed. Catch you all in a few hours!
12:34:40 PeggyG : bye all!
12:34:45 tekteech7 : thanks, bye