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21st Century Learning #84: Dr. Scott McLeod on Disruptive Innovation and the Future of K12 Education

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21st Century Learning #84Dr. Scott McLeod
Dr. Scott McLeod on Disruptive Innovation and the Future of Education
November 13, 2008

This week Dr. Scott McLeod joined us to discuss his K-12 Online Presentation entitled Current leadership models are inadequate for disruptive innovations. An must listen for anyone interested in leadership and school change. Thanks to Scott for his time and the excellent conversation. 

Next Thursday, 11/20 we'll have Will Schwalbe co-author of the book SEND: The Essential Guide to Email for Office and Home.

We have a going a special show scheduled on Monday, 11/24 at noon with Michael Horn co-author of Disrupting Class, 


<click here for the chat transcript>

2008-11-13 14:21:09 [Message] minhaaj -> -EdTechTalk: Hi arvind
2008-11-13 14:21:31 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi Minhaaj
2008-11-13 14:21:40 [Message] minhaaj -> -EdTechTalk: skype call ?
2008-11-13 14:22:45 [Message] ScottMcLeod -> -EdTechTalk: Hi jonbecker (and others)!
2008-11-13 14:23:16 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: Hello Scott et al.
2008-11-13 14:23:26 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: minhaaj, skype call? don't understand the question
2008-11-13 14:23:33 [Message] minhaaj -> -EdTechTalk: you two are on skype call ?
2008-11-13 14:23:35 [Message] minhaaj -> -EdTechTalk: :)
2008-11-13 14:24:23 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: right now Alex and I are in the same room, but usually we're on a Skype call
2008-11-13 14:24:26 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: Scott is on Skype
2008-11-13 14:24:33 [Message] minhaaj -> -EdTechTalk: ahh great :)
2008-11-13 14:24:40 [Message] jrichardson30 -> -EdTechTalk: Everyone sounds really goodon my end...for what it's worth
2008-11-13 14:24:50 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: thanks jrichardon30 :)
2008-11-13 14:25:37 [Message] ScottMcLeod -> -EdTechTalk: jrichardson = jayson?
2008-11-13 14:25:42 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi kgreen, welcome
2008-11-13 14:26:13 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: Wlecome all
2008-11-13 14:27:28 [Message] Lisa M Lane -> -EdTechTalk: we have done nothing wild...yet
2008-11-13 14:27:33 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: yet
2008-11-13 14:27:39 [Message] carlaarena -> -EdTechTalk: we''re so calm...
2008-11-13 14:28:00 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: and he IS special
2008-11-13 14:28:10 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Hey folks.
2008-11-13 14:28:13 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: Scott's blog: http://www.dangerouslyirrelevant.org/
2008-11-13 14:28:14 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks for checking in.
2008-11-13 14:28:27 [Message] Lisa M Lane -> -EdTechTalk: no, thank you
2008-11-13 14:28:37 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: The book, Disrupting Class: http://www.amazon.com/Disrupting-Class-Disruptive-Innovation-Change/dp/0...
2008-11-13 14:29:20 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: K12 Online Conference presentation: http://k12onlineconference.org/?p=344
2008-11-13 14:30:21 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: welcome all, we're on UStream on the right, or EdTechTalk A
2008-11-13 14:30:38 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: we're live with Scott McLeod talking about Disrupting Class
2008-11-13 14:31:41 [Message] Lisa M Lane -> -EdTechTalk: like from silent movies to talkies
2008-11-13 14:31:48 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: indeed
2008-11-13 14:32:29 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: schools haven't been disrupted...ever
2008-11-13 14:32:36 [Message] VinnieVrotny -> -EdTechTalk: No, more like from pictures to movies
2008-11-13 14:32:55 [Message] courosa -> -EdTechTalk: so much easier for the newer institutions to innovate, they are not bound by the old structures and the "we've always done things this way" blocks.
2008-11-13 14:33:01 [Message] Lisa M Lane -> -EdTechTalk: @Vinnie I was thinking more of workers made unnecessary than media
2008-11-13 14:33:09 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: from records to tapes, from tapes to cd's, from cd's to ipods
2008-11-13 14:33:34 [Message] Lisa M Lane -> -EdTechTalk: @courosa is it age, or attitude? ;)
2008-11-13 14:33:39 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: that was Alex's example earlier when he was presenting on this at our unconference (where we're broadcasting from now): http://neit.wikispaces.com
2008-11-13 14:33:58 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: tradition is a major challenge to deal with
2008-11-13 14:34:15 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: i don't see it as age, but more of philosophy of leadership
2008-11-13 14:34:17 [Message] tylerbreed -> -EdTechTalk: seriously...
2008-11-13 14:35:09 [Message] courosa -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa attitude is often tied to age (to a certain extent), but tradition is perhaps the bigger block. Complacency. Or, not caring for the need to change because once a great reputation is built, why do anything to adapt ... it's always worked before.
2008-11-13 14:35:51 [Message] tylerbreed -> -EdTechTalk: Are there any Bs out there now?
2008-11-13 14:36:06 [Message] Lisa M Lane -> -EdTechTalk: @courosa it's good to "read" tradition selectively rather than "follow" it
2008-11-13 14:36:55 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: what is B?
2008-11-13 14:36:59 [Message] tylerbreed -> -EdTechTalk: My question being answered now -- thanks!
2008-11-13 14:37:07 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: I'm at a laptop school that's trying to squeeze laptops into existing school model. That squeeze hurts!
2008-11-13 14:37:08 [Message] tylerbreed -> -EdTechTalk: @jonbecker schools that are "doing it now"
2008-11-13 14:37:25 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: I don't think those schools are even "B"
2008-11-13 14:37:33 [Message] courosa -> -EdTechTalk: @lisa I've often said that moving universities are like moving graveyards.
2008-11-13 14:37:56 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: homeschooling...unschooling...those are "disruptions"
2008-11-13 14:38:04 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: i forget everything...
2008-11-13 14:38:33 [Message] Lisa M Lane -> -EdTechTalk: @courosa I'm at community college ... we're not dead, tho they keep trying to bury us
2008-11-13 14:39:55 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: If kids are still going to a place of learning, has the institution of schooling been disrupted?
2008-11-13 14:40:24 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: jonbecker: where is this place?
2008-11-13 14:40:51 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Learning at higher levels allows lower level learning to happen.
2008-11-13 14:41:01 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: @arvind...houses of adult employment
2008-11-13 14:42:02 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi Jen, Aaron, Alfred. Welcome!
2008-11-13 14:42:21 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: or any kid who can't learn by sitting at a desk in rows in a class surrounded by four walls
2008-11-13 14:42:52 [Message] carlaarena -> -EdTechTalk: so could online spaces like facebook and others be considered those side entitities?
2008-11-13 14:42:56 [Message] michelle baldwin -> -EdTechTalk: we're all too hung up on assessments
2008-11-13 14:43:12 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: assessments are usually false models
2008-11-13 14:43:20 [Message] guest478 -> -EdTechTalk: we create artificial models and then measure against them
2008-11-13 14:43:23 [Message] pjhiggins -> -EdTechTalk: We were at Florida Virtual School a few years ago, and they said much the same.  They had their best successes with students who were referred to them from guidance depts.
2008-11-13 14:44:43 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi Lucy
2008-11-13 14:44:44 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: why are we talking about instruction...let's talk about learning
2008-11-13 14:44:50 [Message] pjhiggins -> -EdTechTalk: multi-modal.
2008-11-13 14:44:55 [Message] tylerbreed -> -EdTechTalk: CAn you ever give up the need for "buildings?" might just chip away at populations...
2008-11-13 14:44:58 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Hey Arvind
2008-11-13 14:45:01 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: What does a school look like?
2008-11-13 14:45:04 [Message] JenW -> -EdTechTalk: hello arvind
2008-11-13 14:45:12 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: assessments are based on the content, so do you remember the content? if students "succeed", then what have they really succeeded at doing?
2008-11-13 14:45:40 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: tyler, someone earlier said we need the buildings for babysitting at least
2008-11-13 14:45:47 [Message] pjhiggins -> -EdTechTalk: You mean smaller class sizes?  Maybe that is the way to sell this to communities.
2008-11-13 14:46:10 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: 12 Credits online -- from U of Iowa.
2008-11-13 14:46:20 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.iste.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=NETS
2008-11-13 14:46:24 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: UVA
2008-11-13 14:46:25 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: i'm confused...disruptive innovation theory says that we can morph A to become B...B is completely different
2008-11-13 14:46:26 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Oklahoma
2008-11-13 14:46:27 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: that was the link to ISTE standards
2008-11-13 14:46:33 [Message] alfredtwo -> -EdTechTalk: Does online education work for kids who need babysitting? Or does it require some level of maturity?
2008-11-13 14:46:40 [Message] tylerbreed -> -EdTechTalk: @arvind must have looked away and missed that -- that's what I was thinking
2008-11-13 14:47:06 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Administrators are so key to all of this; we just hosted our first leadership event trying to get them more on board
2008-11-13 14:47:09 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: tyler, you didn't miss it, that was an earlier session here at the unconference :)
2008-11-13 14:47:36 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: VCU!  wOOt!
2008-11-13 14:47:51 [Message] tylerbreed -> -EdTechTalk: thanks!
2008-11-13 14:47:55 [Message] pjhiggins -> -EdTechTalk: @lucygray: opposite is true for me.  Admins are pushing for change in this manner; teachers are very skeptical.
2008-11-13 14:48:11 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: who?
2008-11-13 14:49:13 [Message] pjhiggins -> -EdTechTalk: Now this, I understand.
2008-11-13 14:49:36 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: Do people have questions for Scott? We're nearing the end of our time
2008-11-13 14:49:41 [Message] pjhiggins -> -EdTechTalk: So how is it done?
2008-11-13 14:49:56 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: Question for Scott: what's your favorite flavor of Gatorade?
2008-11-13 14:50:01 [Message] pjhiggins -> -EdTechTalk: No easy answer.
2008-11-13 14:50:46 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Jon -- what't the url of your blog?
2008-11-13 14:51:09 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: @alex.ragone: http://edinsanity.com (plug, plug)
2008-11-13 14:51:11 [Message] tylerbreed -> -EdTechTalk: will have to catch up on this later -- phone call :-(
2008-11-13 14:51:25 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: we'll hvae the show at edtechtalk.com later on Tyler
2008-11-13 14:51:29 [Message] pjhiggins -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks everyone. 
2008-11-13 14:51:45 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: 5
2008-11-13 14:51:55 [Message] ScottMcLeod -> -EdTechTalk: blue frost
2008-11-13 14:52:02 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks, Jon. 
2008-11-13 14:52:07 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Wow, you're lucky, Patrick. Isn't Erica Hartman at your school, btw?
2008-11-13 14:52:15 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Oops he's gone
2008-11-13 14:52:28 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Hey Lucy.
2008-11-13 14:52:39 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Influencer
2008-11-13 14:52:39 [Message] Lisa M Lane -> -EdTechTalk: the teaching revolution that faculty need to get here is being hampered by trends in the reverse direction, toward standardization
2008-11-13 14:52:44 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: Question: why do you think Christensen et al. went after P-12 and not higher ed.
2008-11-13 14:52:44 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: John Cotter (sp?)
2008-11-13 14:52:46 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: ?
2008-11-13 14:53:04 [Message] ScottMcLeod -> -EdTechTalk: Kotter
2008-11-13 14:53:35 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Speaking of Plugs!
2008-11-13 14:53:38 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Go vinnie.
2008-11-13 14:53:51 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: read tech. stuff, but also read stuff by John Holt, John Taylor Gatto, etc.
2008-11-13 14:54:03 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: Michael Fullan's always a fave of mine
2008-11-13 14:54:45 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: thanks for being here, everyone
2008-11-13 14:54:51 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: Christensen's keynoting at CoSN as well
2008-11-13 14:54:53 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: great stuff in the chatroom, as always
2008-11-13 14:55:09 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Bye guys ... have fun
2008-11-13 14:55:13 [Message] Lisa M Lane -> -EdTechTalk: bye, y'all -- thanks
2008-11-13 14:55:19 [Message] LucyGray -> -EdTechTalk: Looking forward to meeting you at WEMTA Scott
2008-11-13 14:55:20 [Message] jonbecker -> -EdTechTalk: l8r
2008-11-13 14:55:23 [Message] ScottMcLeod -> -EdTechTalk: ciao. thanks for joining us!
2008-11-13 14:57:03 [Message] courosa -> -EdTechTalk: i have the bar code scanner, it's awesome
2008-11-13 14:59:41 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: courosa, I'm totally getting one. Amazingly nerdy
2008-11-13 15:00:02 [Message] courosa -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.amazon.ca/Jocks-Burnouts-Penelope-Eckert/dp/0807729639/ref=sr...
2008-11-13 15:00:13 [Message] courosa -> -EdTechTalk: available on amazon.ca, 10 new and used.
2008-11-13 15:00:44 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: awesome, thanks
2008-11-13 15:00:49 [Message] courosa -> -EdTechTalk: @arvind I was like barcoding everything when I saw it!
2008-11-13 15:01:09 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: awesome
2008-11-13 15:05:47 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: bye peoples
2008-11-13 16:57:22 [Message] Minhaaj -> -EdTechTalk: Streaming now