20:55:19 Cathy_Evanoff: I'm on wireless tonight in a hotel
20:55:36 Cathy_Evanoff: I'll just listen
20:57:18 dave: oh liveness
21:04:03 Harold: when I grow up I want to be just like Dave ;-)
21:04:45 dave: http://adifference.blogspot.com/
21:04:47 dave: yes.
21:04:48 dave: me too
21:06:01 JL: http://www.k12onlineconference.org/
21:06:50 Cathy_Evanoff: I just watched David Warlick's keynote
21:06:51 dave: darth!
21:07:00 dave: what did you think?
21:07:11 dARTh_Gelwicks: Never underestimate the power...
21:07:22 Cathy_Evanoff: I have not decided
21:07:42 dave: oh?
21:07:45 dave: give me a pro and con
21:08:07 dave: pe.
21:08:23 PE: HEllo everyone...
21:08:31 dave: this is a brainstorm so feel free to join in
21:08:37 dave: I'll get the skypecast
21:08:37 PE: righto
21:08:54 JL: skypecast at: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/detailed.html?id_talk=...
21:08:59 dave: mmm...
21:10:14 dave: looking... for... input...
21:10:19 dave: brainstorm
21:10:31 Cathy_Evanoff: good info- but a little long
21:10:41 dave: http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2006/10/selling-idea.html (interesting comment?)
21:11:00 Harold: :o
21:11:29 dave: and again http://www.downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=36106
21:12:45 dARTh_Gelwicks: I have to say I've always wondered myself if the edublogging community was a bit of a "self feeding" environment.
21:13:04 dave: mmm...
21:13:07 dave: wanna chat?
21:13:42 dARTh_Gelwicks: Sure.
21:15:30 JL: http://downes.ca/cgi-bin/page.cgi?post=36106&format=full
21:15:37 dARTh_Gelwicks: Sore feelings means that the armor was cut through to the nerve...something that should happen more often.
21:15:37 JL: http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/
21:16:16 JL: This online conference started yesterday with a pre-recorded keynote by Dave Warlick (to me it's not a keynote unless it's live - but that's just me). It features a number of educational bloggers, mostly (as the title suggests) from the K-12 sector, and mostly from the United States (and not, as one commentator wrote, "top educational bloggers from around the world"). It's kind of like a 'Coming of Age', only presented as a conference. Oh hey wait, it's the same people! Who are - according to themselves - the leading edubloggers. As one person commented today - a 'co-prosperity sphere'. I prefer the term from Jerry Pournelle: the CoDominium. Anyhow - I aggregate more than 300 edubloggers (and leave out just as many again) and try to represent their contributions as fairly as I can in these pages. And that is to me the core of edublogging, not self-styled A-listers. But hey - attend the conference, listen to Warlick and Freedman and Fryer and McIntosh and the rest and judge for yourself. What do I know?
21:16:53 JenM: You are a fast typist JL :)
21:17:03 dARTh_Gelwicks: A conference to draw attention to themselves...isn't the idea of most conferences?
21:18:15 dave: LOL
21:18:26 Harold: he's saying that they're being a LOT BIT self-serving
21:20:11 Cathy_Evanoff: I think the conference is a wonderful idea- and I thank all that have put it together :)
21:20:13 dave: hi cheryl oakes
21:20:22 cheryloakes: Hi Dude!
21:20:27 dave: greetings
21:20:40 cheryloakes: I think the conference is huge and just a great way to offer what people are looking for.
21:21:19 Harold: it's called marketing
21:21:32 dave: lol
21:22:02 dave: http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2006/10/selling-idea.html
21:22:13 Harold: those pesky paid consultants ...
21:22:19 dave: yes...
21:22:22 dave: silly harold
21:22:26 dave: oh wait
21:22:29 dave: i get paid too
21:22:35 dave: just not for this
21:23:10 dave: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_prose
21:24:05 dave: http://k12onlineconference.org/
21:24:56 cheryloakes: I was on the committee to review for a section, it was well done, I thought, being on my screening end.
21:25:44 cheryloakes: oops, I didn't know that I was in a confidential position. guessed I missed that.
21:26:02 dave: i was wondering about that :)
21:26:18 cheryloakes: who is talking?
21:26:25 dave: darren kuropatwa
21:26:38 cheryloakes: oh, hi Darren.
21:27:55 Cathy_Evanoff: You can't please everybody- just have to do what you think is right
21:28:35 cheryloakes: I am surprised to see my name in half an hour, what does that mean?
21:28:55 dARTh_Gelwicks: It means you got an extra 15 minutes of fame. :)
21:29:18 cheryloakes: thanks, does that mean I get extra in my check this week?<wink>
21:29:33 dARTh_Gelwicks: Yep...it's in the mail.
21:29:41 cheryloakes: Hi kiddos
21:30:04 dave: mmm checks.
21:30:06 cheryloakes: Darren I share your blog all the time with my teachers!
21:30:08 JenM: How COOL IS THIS!
21:30:16 PE: Been interesting listening and sorry i missed it. Later all
21:30:35 cheryloakes: I have porcupine earrings.
21:30:45 dave: you do not!
21:30:52 cheryloakes: oh yeah!
21:31:10 Harold: pocupines & other animals - great segue :)
21:31:15 Cathy_Evanoff: A star in the making
21:31:24 JenM: class of 2.0?
21:31:42 cheryloakes: I hope Oscar is listening!
21:31:49 cheryloakes: Nitey nite
21:31:51 Harold: a cat wearing earphones?
21:31:56 dARTh_Gelwicks: Did they get paid for that? ;)
21:32:01 JenM: enough of blogging, webcasters 2.0!
21:32:07 Harold: good night kids
21:32:10 JenM: they are star material!
21:32:28 dARTh_Gelwicks: It's a paternal thing.
21:33:33 Harold: my 12 year old just went blogging with his real name this year
21:33:40 dave: ooo...
21:33:49 dave: the new ritual
21:33:52 cheryloakes: think.com blogging is a great alternative
21:34:02 Harold: out of the closet ;)
21:34:49 Harold: Darren - here are my CC animal photos - http://www.flickr.com/photos/jarche/sets/1732908/
21:35:19 dave: http://davecormier.com/edblog/?p=82
21:36:20 cheryloakes: But our 14 years olds have not grown up with any kind of netiquitte
21:36:27 Cathy_Evanoff: My girls have pages on "My Space" - real names- wide open- yes it makes me nervous
21:36:33 dARTh_Gelwicks: And who's fault is that?
21:36:36 dave: http://adifference.blogspot.com/2006/10/k12-online-kick-off-and-touch-do...
21:37:05 cheryloakes: We can't get ourselves or our teachers up to speed with how to monitor, teach and coach these kids!
21:37:10 dARTh_Gelwicks: I wanted to ask should we be teaching writing for the web when we're teaching writing?
21:37:38 dARTh_Gelwicks: If we can't get up to speed, what do we leave the administration with? Turn it off!
21:37:39 dave: depends of whether we're trying to preserve the part of our culture that's dying
21:37:43 dave: or serve the new one
21:37:52 cheryloakes: Absolutely, teach writing across all venues, note, chat, essay...
21:38:05 JenniferW: skype address please-- sorry I am late
21:38:19 cheryloakes: hi Jen
21:38:20 dARTh_Gelwicks: And which part of the culture do you think is ringing the death nell?
21:38:33 dave: THE ESSAY
21:38:40 dave: its deading
21:38:47 dave: i'm teaching it right now
21:38:58 dave: and kinda feel like i shouldn't be
21:39:13 dARTh_Gelwicks: Does it need to be on life support or can it be put to rest?
21:39:21 JenniferW: thank you
21:39:35 JenniferW: hi cheryl
21:39:44 dARTh_Gelwicks: I see way too many adults who can't write to share their ideas and feelings...how can we expect the kids to?
21:41:58 dARTh_Gelwicks: Web 2.0 - the buggy second release. Wait for Web 2.1.
21:42:11 Cathy_Evanoff: I am going to use the conference for staff dev too
21:43:12 JenniferW: sighs brb
21:43:34 Cathy_Evanoff: I have every teacher in a closed room for 40 min a week-they are going to listen
21:44:04 JenniferW: okay -- I am with headset
21:47:38 Cathy_Evanoff: Darren- I think you need to sign your kids up for next year to present
21:49:59 Harold: thanks, Darren
21:51:59 dARTh_Gelwicks: You won't be sued...you'll be bludgeoned by a dwarf!
21:52:28 JL: http://www.webcastacademy.net/node/406
21:53:54 JenM: good audio????
21:54:19 JenM: :)
21:54:26 Cathy_Evanoff: You are to hard on yourself
21:59:45 cheryloakes: I sent a message to you
22:00:16 cheryloakes: lost it I'll try again
22:01:33 Cathy_Evanoff: You gals were awesome :)
22:01:58 cheryloakes: This is the debut of Women of Web 2.0 with Vicki Davis, Cheryl Oakes, Sharon Peters, Jennifer Wagner talk about Web 2.0 tools and using them purposefully in educational settings. This show will be a happening on Tuesdays November 7 at 9 PM EST or Nov 8 at 2AM GMT. See you there to continue the conversations.