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EdTechTalk#21 - Chat Transcript
October 23, 2005

[it_s_me_dave] crazyness
[daf] this is a typical webheads experiment
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[daf] welcome, Claire
[elderbob] Hi CBSiskin.
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[bob] what is the experiment? what is "alloto?" <is that right?>
[it_s_me_dave] a place to win money?
[elderbob] Alado.com
[bob] ah
[elderbob] Is this Bob, from Texas?
[bob] no... bob sprankle from maine
[it_s_me_dave] ah, that bob.
[elderbob] Ok, there is another Bob from Texas I know, besides myself.
[it_s_me_dave] hi bob
[bob] hi dave
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[aiden] for newbies
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[daf] I had to leave alado
[it_s_me_dave] bob, we're trying to run two different platforms at the same time...
[it_s_me_dave] but you've probably caught on to that by now...
[it_s_me_dave] are you listening to the stream?
[bob] ah. what's the link for alado?
[daf] I could not have alado, the chat room, and the webcast
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[Rita] ive muted Alado
[Rita] but can see the chat window
[elderbob] I think sound is good.
[Rita] very good, yes, but voice comes and goes
[bob] yes. listening to the stream... unfortunately I have only a few moments... of to visit relatives in a matter of minutes
[bob] off
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[aiden] what are you using to chat in edtech, jeff, skype?
[bee] are you typing from a different window outside Alado or are you typing fromthe central window in Alado?
[daf] now I have this chat, the webcast and alado in different browsers and it is ok
[su_on_mac] >I lost Alado when I tried to open the real Player
[aiden] i'm typing from Alado
[su_on_mac] sol now I went over to my mac
[su_on_mac] and the delays are difefrently timed
[aiden] i just hope no one projects any other webpage in alado or i'll lose edtech
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[daf] I had to leave alado, could not type into this chat from alado and listen to the webcast at the same time
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[Rita] (been kicked off)
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[daf] I left alado
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[aiden] lol
[bee] I am tyyping directly from the Alado central window
[su_on_mac] su-on_mac is alias Sus Nyrop
[aiden] me, too, bee
[sroseman] I am on a Mac as well
[daf] I left alado and now the sound of the webcast is better
[aiden] only moderators in alado can do that
[cbsiskin] i left alado too
[su_on_mac] my PC froze competely when Itried to stream the cast from RealPlayer, - but it was fun to try
[bee] I can hear Jeff well...and was not kicked out
[aiden] me too bee
[bob] well... I have to go... I love the work you guys are doing and will try and come back next week...
[bob] I'll catch this on the podcast!
[sroseman] what is the url for ALDO
[Rita] i can also hear well, but ned to leave now, good experiment ;-)
[bee] http://alado.net/webheads
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[su_on_mac] bye to you Rita!
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[daf] this is a screenshot of what happened when I was trying to get a screenshot of alado-worldbridges chat and my screen froze:
[daf] http://daf4.free.fr/pics/alado-wb-exper.jpg
[dave_on_air] ?q=node/115
[su_on_mac] and what was the name of that reader?
[dave_on_air] rssowl
[su_on_mac] type it here pls
[su_on_mac] hm hm
[JeffLebow] http://rssowl.org
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[bee] edu ubuntu?
[dave_on_air] edubuntu
[ElizabethHS] What does Access do?
[dave_on_air] database stuff
[ElizabethHS] thanx
[aiden] what's the site again?
[cbsiskin] and the educational prices for the video ipods are even lower
[aiden] can you type it here?
[ElizabethHS] ehow.com
[ElizabethHS] Mobility is the issue, though
[bee] see you...must go and vote in the referendum now
[ElizabethHS] Good luck to Brazil, Bee!
[ElizabethHS] Got it--like Excel
[bee] let's see what happens..whether they prohibit the sale of ammunition and arms here or not
[cbsiskin] no not like excel -- excell is a spreadsheet
[bee] see you
[ElizabethHS] Won't stop violence--see Pinker, The Blank slate
[bee] I know
[bee] education is the solution
[cbsiskin] well pinker is highly controversial
[bee] and satisfying people's basic needs...giving them a chance...empowering them
[ElizabethHS] yes, Bee--and econ development
[bee] anyhow...see you
[ElizabethHS] C;ya
[cbsiskin] see you bee
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[daf] that would be a great gift: a video ipod :-)
[cbsiskin] daf, you are moving to spain?
[daf] yes, i hope I can do it early next year
[sroseman] http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCooki...
[cbsiskin] why, if I may ask?
[sroseman] good for previewing photos and watching videos
[daf] well, I don't like in a dictatorship :-(
[sroseman] nice sized screen
[daf] living in a...
[cbsiskin] understandable, daf
[cbsiskin] i understood what you meant
[daf] :-)
[ElizabethHS] Address for the Yahoo search?
[ElizabethHS] video search?
[dave_on_air] ?q=node/115
[dave_on_air] show notes
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[cbsiskin] so many jeffs :-)
[daf] yes, a jeffy world ;-)
[aiden] lol
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] Yes so many Jeff and so little time
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[ElizabethHS] Good notes--thanks for pointing to this excellent resource. You guys have this well organized!
[elderbob] Great advice.
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[su_on_mac] I get such emails phishing for passwords, titled : You recently changed your password (which I did not)
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] Dave do you think it is because of all the links on other blogs linking to your feedbook
[daf] just delete them, Sus
[elderbob] I wonder if blog spam raises your google ranking?
[su_on_mac] you bewt I do Daf :-)
[dave_on_air] probably
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] Yes Flock I am using it right now
[dave_on_air] skype in to tell us about it jeff!
[aiden] yes, i got those comments. I always tell my students they can delete these kind of comments
[daf] my students are annoyed by the spam on their newly-created blogger blogs
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[elderbob] I think I will stay with Firefox and extensions for now.
[cbsiskin] wb elizabeth
[daf] yes, they delete them, and they have activated the word verification feature
[su_on_mac] Daf - do your students ask for resctricted comments in Blogger, where you need to verify the comment user?
[ElizabethHS] Yeah--I checked the blog and used Back--so got lost.
[daf] but having 5 nasty comments in a row is not nice
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[elderbob] Of course maybe firefox will join with flock and then it will be fireflock
[sroseman] we have OPERA and SAFARI and FIREFOX installed
[dave_on_air] the problem was that they were VERY nice comments
[dave_on_air] "i love your blog, it's great, buy my stuff"
[daf] yes, Dave that's what those messages are about
[sroseman] how many browsers can you have?
[dave_on_air] zillions
[dave_on_air] i run 3 regularly
[dave_on_air] konqueror, opera and firefox
[aiden] how can jeff in ann arbor join the voice chat?
[dave_on_air] skype
[su_on_mac] when you have eventual problems with using both Elluminate and Horizon Wimba, it can be a good idea...
[su_on_mac] to have one browser for each system'
[dave_on_air] all you need to do if you want to talk is skype 'worldbridges'
[dave_on_air] hi jo...
[aiden] thanks, dave
[dave_on_air] sleepy this time of night?
[jo] Hi, Dave
[dave_on_air] thanks for staying up!
[elderbob] Jeff will you describe how that is done.
[jo] I tried to go to bed but then got up again
[dave_on_air] lol
[ElizabethHS] NiceCast? ShoutCast?
[sroseman] 50 in a conference call ..a plus for the Mac
[ElizabethHS] OK--Shoutcast?
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[dave_on_air] shoutcast is...
[dave_on_air] oh. she left
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[sus_back_on_mac] why am I hearsing such echo?
[dave_on_air] we fixed
[dave_on_air] it
[sus_back_on_mac] yes, I hear that now :-))
[elderbob] The echo is because Jeff is listening over speakers.
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[Elizabeth_H-S] Trying out any links from the Notes seems to bump me from the Chatroom.
[jo] Elizabeth, try having another window open to try out the links
[sroseman] nicecast http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/21347#screenshots
[sroseman] http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast/
[Elizabeth_H-S] I just figured that out, Jo, thankx
[jo] :D
[Elizabeth_H-S] From here a new window opens--it's just from the notes that I have the problem.
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[sus_back_on_mac] I'd like to learn more about how you can Skype in an analog phone call, suah as we plan to do with Etienne for the Nordic voice
[Elizabeth_H-S] Do people here in the chatroom have speaking ability?
[dave_on_air] yes
[sus_back_on_mac] NV online conference
[elderbob] So that would mean that with Gizmo, you could increase the number of voice participants.
[dave_on_air] you can skype in at 'worldbridges'
[elderbob] and it adds video
[sus_back_on_mac] Elizabeth, you would need to call on Skype
[Elizabeth_H-S] ic
[daf] skype: worldbridges
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] which usb mike do you use?
[elderbob] Jeff and Dave, why do you prefer Skype over Gizmo.
[elderbob] Another words, a training class or time for Gizmo users might be nice
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] same one I have
[daf] Skype sound is great
[sus_back_on_mac] I got a beautiful new headset, Sennheiser 160
[elderbob] If I were doing a limited class, have folks take a class in how to use the Gizmo set up or the Skype set up.
[elderbob] Gizmo is open source, Skype is ont.
[elderbob] not
[Elizabeth_H-S] Skype works well over my cell phone. I assume Gizmo does too?
[Elizabeth_H-S] Makes the call in free.
[elderbob] I had trouble in earlier versions but now it seems to have improved.
[sus_back_on_mac] sounds like great corporate fun
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] any mac folks us iChat much?
[sus_back_on_mac] nope, not me Jeff
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] I did a little but the audio is much less than skype
[elderbob] My thoughts exactly.
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] we use the text IM in iChat at my schools and work much than
[elderbob] Thanks very much for looking into my Gizmo question.
[daf] I use YM with my students
[sus_back_on_mac] popTech?
[jo] YM?
[daf] Yahoo Messenger
[jo] Oh, thanx
[daf] for group work
[daf] and consulting hours
[sus_back_on_mac] hehe
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] web cast and pod cast "Moving at the speed of Creativity"
[daf] :-)
[aiden] thanks, that's a compliment :-)
[JeffLebow] http://www.speedofcreativity.org/
[daf] interesting!
[sus_back_on_mac] Webheads are activists, homegrown virtual nomads
[Elizabeth_H-S] Reading is beyond words, too. You need to subconsciously understand contextual properties.
[daf] pragmatics
[sus_back_on_mac] that's why score testting does not really reveal if kids are ready to put their knowledge into action
[sroseman] need alot of real world experiences before you read
[Elizabeth_H-S] Depends on the test, Sus.
[sus_back_on_mac] perhaps I understand teh term "test" in a narrow sense
[sus_back_on_mac] in Danish education testing is still pretty controversial
[Elizabeth_H-S] skimming and scanning were always taught--but in higher level classes.
[daf] tests should be learning experiences
[Elizabeth_H-S] I disagree Daf--it would be mixing two modes--learning and assessing
[aiden] got to go folks, thanks and good night, from taiwan
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[Elizabeth_H-S] g'nite, Aiden--see you at EVO
[daf] of course they are part of the assessement process, but they should let the students learn
[daf] what they know and what they have to go back to. Tests should not be given just for grades
[elderbob] Robert Horn's Visual Language.
[Elizabeth_H-S] I agree there, Daf
[daf] as they do in my university. Teachers then, teach to the test
[daf] I mean they test for a grade
[sus_back_on_mac] yay
[daf] and teach for the test
[Elizabeth_H-S] Chris will be demonstrating to newcomers.
[elderbob] In Dallas, yahooo.
[daf] I will present with her at alado
[Elizabeth_H-S] I hope to join in LT.
[daf] Buth will present at LT with Chris
[elderbob] Communities of Practice?
[Elizabeth_H-S] We have presence.
[daf] it will be MVP session
[daf] lol
[daf] that was sus' description
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] What will be the screen sharing or will it all be audio?
[daf] there will be page pushing at alado
[daf] and PPT slides at LT
[Elizabeth_H-S] Too loud, Sus
[daf] yes
[Elizabeth_H-S] Sounds great to me!
[Elizabeth_H-S] Sus--you faded out.
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[Sus_back] sorry but I was cut off skype
[Jeff_in_Ann_Arbor] I apologize for my lack of knowledge but I don't know alado nor sure what LT stands for
[Elizabeth_H-S] Elluminate is easier to make work than Alado.
[daf] I find alado very easy
[Sus_back] the Nordic Voice conference page is at http://www.nordiskestemme.dk
[daf] I had problems trying to get all my grad students to LT
[daf] even though I created a tutorial for dummies using Camtasia
[Sus_back] it is free of charge and anyone with an interest in language and ICT is welcome
[daf] I spent almost 45 minutes in YM herding them to the Elluminate room
[daf] maybe because they don't speak english and they got scared when faced with a all-english site
[Elizabeth_H-S] don't forget Video Online -- Mike Marzio and I will be talking about some video resources for teachers and Mike's new video
[Elizabeth_H-S] Video Online will be in the Webheads convergence conference.
[JeffLebow] Elizabeth, are available to skype?
[Elizabeth_H-S] I guess I'd say, no--I'd have to go dig out my skype account, eh?
[Elizabeth_H-S] Not worth--keep up Sus
[Elizabeth_H-S] Conference site is up with times!
[Elizabeth_H-S] Sorry--I was referring to the Webheads' conference.
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[daf] VAnce is going to Skype to talk about our WiAOC
[Elizabeth_H-S] Great!
[daf] but can talk about EVO, Eliz,
[daf] you
[Elizabeth_H-S] OK--hang on 2 secs--the household is just waking up.
[daf] lol
[Elizabeth_H-S] 916-524-6988
[daf] that was fast, eliz
[Elizabeth_H-S] Cross-talk...
[Elizabeth_H-S] Did want to mention the EVO in Jan-Feb
[daf] We want to hear about our WiAOC, Vance ;-)
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[elderbob] Now I am hearing myself on the delay.
[daf] nice to hear Elizabeth
[Sus_back] yes, Elizabeth has a very clear and fine voice call!!
[daf] when Sus starts talking she won't stop, Jeff, she might take your place ;-)
[Sus_back] Vnace is not in here and he cannot hear US in the Skype room
[Sus_back] oh Daf!!!
[daf] lol
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[Sus_back] I have stopped talking!
[dave_on_air] oh no!
[daf] lol
[Sus_back] a roundtable discussion sounds very interesting
[Sus_back] sounds like a cool session Elizabeth, can you invite Webheads for that particular session, we promise to be good
[Sus_back] i will jump out so someone else can get into Skype
[daf] yes, just like this year
[daf] Tere and I will be delivering Becoming a Webhead in its third round
[Sus_back] <i just jumped out from the Skype room without saying goodbye, perhaps very impolite'
[Elizabeth_H-S] ehansonsmi@yahoo.com
[Sus_back] actually I would need to start some cooking dinner!
[Elizabeth_H-S] Sus--it's breakfast time for us!
[daf] almost lunch time for me
[Sus_back] and I am in a team of three co-moderators preparing an EVO blog course with Jane and Anna
[Sus_back] we do hear you so well Vance
[daf] the sound is great here
[Elizabeth_H-S] I agree, Vance
[Sus_back] i just found out I will be in Spain for the TESOL week
[Sus_back] so I will probably have to do with recorded podcasts
[Sus_back] the TESOL 2005 Webheads Fiesta was audioblogged live from Austin
[daf] I hope to be in Tampa
[Sus_back] so you will not be in Spain that week :-(
[daf] I have not been to TESOL for 3 years in a row
[daf] he he, the TESOL Alado session
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[daf] well,I think we need to be critical when a tools is not used in the best way
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[daf] are
[daf] they could have recorded a video-conference
[Sus_back] I found out I was not able to text chat because I wanted to know the name of the presenter and I would have asked someone in p¾r
[daf] and then people would have asked the questions in a forum
[daf] Vance cannot read these comments
[Elizabeth_H-S] Did anyone give them feedback??
[daf] well, we have discussed this issue in the WiA list
[JeffLebow] Would anyone else like to skype in to offer feedback?
[JeffLebow] We like interactivity!
[daf] Andy said that they had not want to rehearse
[jo] Well, guys, I guess I'm off to bed now. See you next time.
[daf] they had no time to rehearse
[JeffLebow] Thanks for staying up JO
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[JeffLebow] Sleep well
[daf] and to get to know how to use Alado
[Sus_back] This is indeed a problem I am also experiencing with the Nordic voice conference; presenters/discussion leaders are not aware...
[Sus_back] how much they would need to train with a new online environment
[Sus_back] the idea of having personal coaches sounds very heloful'
[daf] yes
[Elizabeth_H-S] TESOL isn't really on our WiA list, so maybe Vance should summarize for John?
[Elizabeth_H-S] Alado just gives Mac users so many problems, for some reason.
[Sus_back] I agree, John and Margo should know we have had this dsicusssion
[Elizabeth_H-S] Can you have more than one chatroom at a time, Dave?
[JeffLebow] yes
[daf] Christine B-R is in the list and she mentioned that the TAC should let them know
[dave_on_air] hey.. that was my question!!!
[dave_on_air] yes.
[Elizabeth_H-S] But will Christine do that?
[daf] no idea
[Elizabeth_H-S] (the should part...)
[daf] Susan G. is the TAC chair now
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[Elizabeth_H-S] Dave was so neat on the phone--I felt it was a conversation, not a broadcast.
[dave_on_air] that's the goal
[daf] yes, Eliz. I had the experience in spain
[elderbob] and I have lost the sound somehow.
[elderbob] Now the sound comes on.
[daf] Jeff phoned me while I was by the swimming pool, and having lunch with family
[elderbob] Im listening to Vance, so I think this is quite delayed.
[Elizabeth_H-S] It has to make the connection.
[daf] they could even hear the spanish accent of my family and friends there
[daf] VAnce is speaking
[elderbob] So maybe it is not delayed.
[Elizabeth_H-S] I had that problem for a minute, Vance.
[Elizabeth_H-S] But I just started over with the address.
[daf] he he
[elderbob] I am listening to Vance, but I h ave a picture of Bush on my TV.
[daf] :-(
[elderbob] \Im pretending Bush is actually Vance.
[daf] lol
[elderbob] I iike Bush much bettter that way.
[Sus_back] Webheads can be very very tough!!
[Elizabeth_H-S] Oh Bob :D
[Elizabeth_H-S] You see, we are talking out of turn again....
[elderbob] Im always out of turn....
[Elizabeth_H-S] To Skype in--do we go to Skype or what?
[Sus_back] thank you everyone - this was another great Sunday afternoon
[daf] lol
[elderbob] But I m listening to the conversation.
[elderbob] Maybe its a left brain, right brain thing.
[elderbob] My left brain is text messaging.
[Elizabeth_H-S] Maybe a Skype link could be put in the list?
[elderbob] Right brain is listening.
[Sus_back] yes, open Skype and make a call for worldbridges or dave_cormier
[Elizabeth_H-S] Definitely!
[Sus_back] interesting split brain case, eBob
[Sus_back] virtual T-shirts?
[Sus_back] we can print our own shirts
[elderbob] Actually in my case, I think it has been subdivided, by my del.icio.us categorries.
[elderbob] Thats a great idea.
[elderbob] and what about theme music.
[daf] this is our map for the BaW-06 session
[Elizabeth_H-S] Thanks, Dave--great 'cast
[daf] http://www.risingconcepts.com/frapper/baw2006
[Sus_back] :puts on her good old invisibility cloak
[elderbob] It was fun....
[dave_on_air] cool
[Sus_back] :vanishes in cyberspace
[elderbob] bye all.
[Sus_back] Bye bye dear edtdechers
[elderbob] More coffe...
[daf] we should have webheads-worldbridges t-shirts
[Sus_back] wow
[Elizabeth_H-S] I'm curious how you accept multiple Skypes?
[daf] thanks, Jeff and Dave
[Elizabeth_H-S] At TESOL Tampa, that will be true, but they WILL tell you.
[Sus_back] did you try to make a call yet Eliz?
[elderbob] They are on a conference call in skype
[Elizabeth_H-S] That
[dave_on_air] thanks for coming
[dave_on_air] nice to have you as always
[Elizabeth_H-S] 's why we need to arrange this beforehand with TESOL and CALL-IS.
[elderbob] But they did say earlier, that there was a way to include even more participants on a MAC
[Elizabeth_H-S] Vance--whoa!--there may be guards at the door of the conference this year.
[Elizabeth_H-S] We do need to make some arrangements.
[daf] well, hope not to get busted as I got in the airport of my own country :-(
[Elizabeth_H-S] The EV is Tom Robb and Susan Gaer as Chair and Chair-elect
[Elizabeth_H-S] But Steve will be there too.
[Elizabeth_H-S] OK--at least register.
[daf] ;-)
[Elizabeth_H-S] I think it would be better both for CALL IS and for EdTech to be "official" however.
[elderbob] In Florida, they will be considered to be broadcasting to Cuba
[Elizabeth_H-S] Yes--think of Daf's experience!
[Elizabeth_H-S] Of course Dave isn't as cute.
[Elizabeth_H-S] We'
[Elizabeth_H-S] d like to get official sponsorship and help in setup, etc.
[dave_on_air] we like being aofficial
[elderbob] And you fellows could help set up the Live Webhead party.
[Elizabeth_H-S] CALL IS will be all for it--and it's only courteous to let them know in advance what will happen.
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[dave_on_air] yes... and who's saying i'm not cute
[Elizabeth_H-S] We'd like to gather interviewees, not interfere with the pre-advertised schedule, etc.
[JeffLebow] Absolutely. We want to make sure everyone knows what we have in mind and is OK with it
[elderbob] We did that in San Antonio.
[Elizabeth_H-S] Yes
[Elizabeth_H-S] Many times at the EV, they have limited access and you have to take a number.
[daf] I prefer a pub
[daf] with some beer samplers
[Elizabeth_H-S] We'd want to be a star show--like Garrison Keiler.
[elderbob] Are you going to be there, Daf?
[daf] hope to, Bob
[elderbob] THen you can host the 2nd annual Cyber Celebration for webheads.
[daf] I have not been able to make it to TESOl since Salt Lake
[Elizabeth_H-S] Gotta to attend to family--but stay in touch guys. I really would hate to see this totally "on the wing"--should be official.
[elderbob] Dave and Jeff will help you.
[Elizabeth_H-S] Bye all! Thanx for a great session--sorry I missed Downes last week.
[elderbob] Bye Elizabeth.
[daf] I would love to do it if I can make it there, bob
[elderbob] I would be happy to help in the virtual sense.
[elderbob] You need to get with Vance and Elizabeth and see what the best date and time might be.
[elderbob] I can tell you how I did San Antonio, and I am sure those who were there, may have some of their own suggestions
[elderbob] Take the web presence class in January.
[daf] you are a born webhead, Jeff
[elderbob] Well, I lost audio again so I am going too.
[elderbob] I will talke to you all on another time.
[elderbob] \bye.
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[daf] back to work, guys, nice being here again :-)
[daf] thanks!