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EdTechTalk#49 Chat Transcript
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EdTechTalk47_Chat_Transcript
05/28/06 18:42:52 DougSymington: hey dave
05/28/06 18:48:06 dave: hey doug
05/28/06 18:48:14 dave: not expecting a big crowd
05/28/06 18:48:19 dave: forgot it was memorial day weekend
05/28/06 18:48:24 DougSymington: right
05/28/06 18:48:50 DougSymington: just reading 'bout "oriellyism" at the link you posted
05/28/06 18:48:57 DougSymington: and the comments
05/28/06 18:49:02 DougSymington: interesting stuff
05/28/06 18:50:20 DougSymington: hi me
05/28/06 18:50:43 me: hey
05/28/06 18:51:19 dave: who do you figure me is?
05/28/06 18:51:39 dave: hilarious
05/28/06 18:52:37 DougSymington: not sure--who was me?
05/28/06 18:52:42 dave: oh no
05/28/06 18:52:47 dave: maybe he was on first
05/28/06 18:53:30 DougSymington: has the hockey game started yet?
05/28/06 18:53:50 dave: not sure
05/28/06 18:53:57 dave: not much of a hockey guy I'm afraid
05/28/06 18:53:57 DougSymington: I think it's buffalo and carolina for Game 5 for tonight's tilt
05/28/06 18:53:59 dave: love to play
05/28/06 18:54:19 DougSymington: there you go
05/28/06 18:54:28 DougSymington: the strike really killed it for me
05/28/06 18:54:36 DougSymington: good to see the Oil in the final tho
05/28/06 18:54:39 dave: as for so many others
05/28/06 18:56:14 dave: +99001110009583812
05/28/06 18:56:18 dave: skypecast
05/28/06 18:56:26 dave: wanna jump in?
05/28/06 18:56:39 dave: i am very short of peeps as you can tell
05/28/06 18:56:50 dave: not that you would be a last choice or anything
05/28/06 18:56:56 dave: :)
05/28/06 18:57:32 DougSymington: on my way
05/28/06 19:01:22 dave: comin' at ya doug
05/28/06 19:07:52 DougSymington: I'm gonna reboot and try skype again
05/28/06 19:13:59 JasonRobertshaw: Nicholas Carr's perspective: http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/05/opensource_trad.php
05/28/06 19:15:33 bon: what are the irish conference folks doing about this brouhaha?
05/28/06 19:15:51 JasonRobertshaw: Unless Doug is cleverly echoing everything you say :)
05/28/06 19:16:36 dave: what's your skype id jason?
05/28/06 19:18:33 JasonRobertshaw: No skypy for me at the moment...but in the future it's "cephalopodcast"
05/28/06 19:20:32 JasonRobertshaw: O'reilly et al. trademarked the term "Web 2.0" shortly after it was coined. It was generic when they started the trademark process as I understand it.
05/28/06 19:20:43 JasonRobertshaw: It was not generic
05/28/06 19:22:29 JasonRobertshaw: BoingBoing and Cory Doctorow respond: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html
05/28/06 19:25:37 JasonRobertshaw: Sorry, according to Cory Doctorow, "O'Reilly exec Dale Dougherty coined the term Web 2.0, and O'Reilly used it for a line of very successful conferences chaired by Boing Boing's business manager, John Battelle (I've been a speaker at Web 2.0 as well, and found the con to be an amazing, eye-opening experience)."
05/28/06 19:25:44 JasonRobertshaw: :)
05/28/06 19:27:05 JasonRobertshaw: "Still pissed off..." Yeah, but their Irish ;)
05/28/06 19:27:49 dave: http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/383501-1.html
05/28/06 19:30:07 Harold_Jarche: hi guys
05/28/06 19:30:16 DougSymington: Hey Harold
05/28/06 19:31:13 JasonRobertshaw: You go Dave!
05/28/06 19:33:18 Harold_Jarche: Harold 2.0 here
05/28/06 19:33:25 dave: lol
05/28/06 19:34:13 JasonRobertshaw: But isn't it only generic in hindsight?
05/28/06 19:34:17 DougSymington: funny Harold, hi Brad
05/28/06 19:34:33 Harold_Jarche: is there a difference between a trade mark and a service mark ( that's the term o'reilly used)
05/28/06 19:34:34 Brad_Hicks: hey guys
05/28/06 19:36:17 bon: is the term servicemark his own? or where else is it used?
05/28/06 19:36:18 JasonRobertshaw: According to Nick Carr, "servicemarks are trademarks (applied to services rather than goods)"
05/28/06 19:36:23 bon: thanks jason
05/28/06 19:36:44 dave: http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/383501-1.html
05/28/06 19:36:46 dave: one more time
05/28/06 19:36:52 Harold_Jarche: any lawyers in the house?
05/28/06 19:37:10 DougSymington: O'Reilly needed a test case for EU, that's why
05/28/06 19:37:37 Harold_Jarche: ah ha
05/28/06 19:37:40 Brad_Hicks: so maybe we should all just start using a new term for it? - I'm sure it could be coined very quickly via the net - make the term web 2.0 irrelevant! lol
05/28/06 19:37:51 JasonRobertshaw: What's the alternative? So many people whing at the term Web 2.0 anyway.
05/28/06 19:38:00 Harold_Jarche: web 4.7?
05/28/06 19:38:06 JasonRobertshaw: Web 2.1
05/28/06 19:38:49 JasonRobertshaw: So the conferenc schwag will be more collectible?
05/28/06 19:38:55 DougSymington: lol
05/28/06 19:39:00 Brad_Hicks: 2.0 web? :p
05/28/06 19:39:34 DougSymington: BBerr
05/28/06 19:39:36 DougSymington: y
05/28/06 19:39:36 JasonRobertshaw: Not a product...a service
05/28/06 19:39:48 Harold_Jarche: we are not a company - we are a community - much better
05/28/06 19:40:05 JasonRobertshaw: Agreed, Harold.
05/28/06 19:40:57 DougSymington: let's have a 'cast from the conf
05/28/06 19:41:26 JasonRobertshaw: Thanks Tom.
05/28/06 19:43:10 Brad_Hicks: soldier on dave :-)
05/28/06 19:43:20 dave: lol
05/28/06 19:43:22 dave: thanks brad
05/28/06 19:46:46 DougSymington: http://www.tomrafteryit.net/
05/28/06 19:48:35 JasonRobertshaw: Tempest in a teapot
05/28/06 19:48:47 dave: so you've been saying
05/28/06 19:48:54 dave: i'm not so sure
05/28/06 19:49:13 dave: it shows, if nothing else, that the response of the community affects policy
05/28/06 19:50:00 Brad_Hicks: if a company wins on something so ridiculous - more the fools us if we stand by and let it happen
05/28/06 19:50:44 Brad_Hicks: boycott there products/services
05/28/06 19:50:50 Brad_Hicks: their*
05/28/06 19:51:10 DougSymington: Harold, Harold, Harold
05/28/06 19:51:54 JasonRobertshaw: Still, this reminds me of the mob justice/mentality that digg delivered to PriceRitePhoto
05/28/06 19:52:20 Brad_Hicks: yep anyone who tries this sort os cr-p
05/28/06 19:52:31 Brad_Hicks: of*
05/28/06 19:53:52 JasonRobertshaw: And the response time to put out a fire is microscopic
05/28/06 19:54:06 JasonRobertshaw: Can't take vacations anymore
05/28/06 19:55:23 dave: sorry doug
05/28/06 19:55:28 dave: having trouble getting you
05/28/06 19:55:42 DougSymington: no prob
05/28/06 19:56:15 DougSymington: skype's been very tempermental this eve
05/28/06 19:56:29 dave: it says i already have a conversation going with you
05/28/06 19:56:44 DougSymington: got a busy when I tried you
05/28/06 19:57:04 Brad_Hicks: gppd point harold
05/28/06 19:57:14 Brad_Hicks: good point
05/28/06 19:57:23 DougSymington: I've put it to bed for the night, enjoying the stream
05/28/06 19:57:37 dave: http://www.tomrafteryit.net/cory-doctorow-oreilly-apologist/
05/28/06 20:00:26 dave: thank you chatroom
05/28/06 20:00:35 dave: jason we need to argue about this further
05/28/06 20:00:51 Brad_Hicks: Thanks Dave
05/28/06 20:00:51 DougSymington: great show, look forward to the next go 'round
05/28/06 20:01:00 JasonRobertshaw: 'kay. I'll try to remember to bring my mic home next time.
05/28/06 20:01:31 DougSymington: thanks all, have a great week
05/28/06 20:01:55 Brad_Hicks: any post show?
05/28/06 20:02:04 JasonRobertshaw: I prefer to think of myself as irregular
05/28/06 20:02:09 dave: lol
05/28/06 20:02:11 DougSymington: keep Thursday night open--we can use the BStorm time...
05/28/06 20:02:12 DougSymington: lol
05/28/06 20:02:15 dave: perhaps more fiber
05/28/06 20:02:19 DougSymington: good one calamari
05/28/06 20:02:28 DougSymington: cya y'all soon
05/28/06 20:03:19 JasonRobertshaw: See, corps can't take vacations.
05/28/06 20:03:27 JasonRobertshaw: Always on.
05/28/06 20:04:03 JasonRobertshaw: I'll be in Second Life for a little while
05/28/06 20:04:09 JasonRobertshaw: Bye
05/28/06 20:04:15 Brad_Hicks: np dave , hope the little guy is doing well
05/28/06 20:04:27 Brad_Hicks: cya
05/28/06 18:48:06 dave: hey doug
05/28/06 18:48:14 dave: not expecting a big crowd
05/28/06 18:48:19 dave: forgot it was memorial day weekend
05/28/06 18:48:24 DougSymington: right
05/28/06 18:48:50 DougSymington: just reading 'bout "oriellyism" at the link you posted
05/28/06 18:48:57 DougSymington: and the comments
05/28/06 18:49:02 DougSymington: interesting stuff
05/28/06 18:50:20 DougSymington: hi me
05/28/06 18:50:43 me: hey
05/28/06 18:51:19 dave: who do you figure me is?
05/28/06 18:51:39 dave: hilarious
05/28/06 18:52:37 DougSymington: not sure--who was me?
05/28/06 18:52:42 dave: oh no
05/28/06 18:52:47 dave: maybe he was on first
05/28/06 18:53:30 DougSymington: has the hockey game started yet?
05/28/06 18:53:50 dave: not sure
05/28/06 18:53:57 dave: not much of a hockey guy I'm afraid
05/28/06 18:53:57 DougSymington: I think it's buffalo and carolina for Game 5 for tonight's tilt
05/28/06 18:53:59 dave: love to play
05/28/06 18:54:19 DougSymington: there you go
05/28/06 18:54:28 DougSymington: the strike really killed it for me
05/28/06 18:54:36 DougSymington: good to see the Oil in the final tho
05/28/06 18:54:39 dave: as for so many others
05/28/06 18:56:14 dave: +99001110009583812
05/28/06 18:56:18 dave: skypecast
05/28/06 18:56:26 dave: wanna jump in?
05/28/06 18:56:39 dave: i am very short of peeps as you can tell
05/28/06 18:56:50 dave: not that you would be a last choice or anything
05/28/06 18:56:56 dave: :)
05/28/06 18:57:32 DougSymington: on my way
05/28/06 19:01:22 dave: comin' at ya doug
05/28/06 19:07:52 DougSymington: I'm gonna reboot and try skype again
05/28/06 19:13:59 JasonRobertshaw: Nicholas Carr's perspective: http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2006/05/opensource_trad.php
05/28/06 19:15:33 bon: what are the irish conference folks doing about this brouhaha?
05/28/06 19:15:51 JasonRobertshaw: Unless Doug is cleverly echoing everything you say :)
05/28/06 19:16:36 dave: what's your skype id jason?
05/28/06 19:18:33 JasonRobertshaw: No skypy for me at the moment...but in the future it's "cephalopodcast"
05/28/06 19:20:32 JasonRobertshaw: O'reilly et al. trademarked the term "Web 2.0" shortly after it was coined. It was generic when they started the trademark process as I understand it.
05/28/06 19:20:43 JasonRobertshaw: It was not generic
05/28/06 19:22:29 JasonRobertshaw: BoingBoing and Cory Doctorow respond: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/26/can_anyone_own_web_2.html
05/28/06 19:25:37 JasonRobertshaw: Sorry, according to Cory Doctorow, "O'Reilly exec Dale Dougherty coined the term Web 2.0, and O'Reilly used it for a line of very successful conferences chaired by Boing Boing's business manager, John Battelle (I've been a speaker at Web 2.0 as well, and found the con to be an amazing, eye-opening experience)."
05/28/06 19:25:44 JasonRobertshaw: :)
05/28/06 19:27:05 JasonRobertshaw: "Still pissed off..." Yeah, but their Irish ;)
05/28/06 19:27:49 dave: http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/383501-1.html
05/28/06 19:30:07 Harold_Jarche: hi guys
05/28/06 19:30:16 DougSymington: Hey Harold
05/28/06 19:31:13 JasonRobertshaw: You go Dave!
05/28/06 19:33:18 Harold_Jarche: Harold 2.0 here
05/28/06 19:33:25 dave: lol
05/28/06 19:34:13 JasonRobertshaw: But isn't it only generic in hindsight?
05/28/06 19:34:17 DougSymington: funny Harold, hi Brad
05/28/06 19:34:33 Harold_Jarche: is there a difference between a trade mark and a service mark ( that's the term o'reilly used)
05/28/06 19:34:34 Brad_Hicks: hey guys
05/28/06 19:36:17 bon: is the term servicemark his own? or where else is it used?
05/28/06 19:36:18 JasonRobertshaw: According to Nick Carr, "servicemarks are trademarks (applied to services rather than goods)"
05/28/06 19:36:23 bon: thanks jason
05/28/06 19:36:44 dave: http://www.allbusiness.com/periodicals/article/383501-1.html
05/28/06 19:36:46 dave: one more time
05/28/06 19:36:52 Harold_Jarche: any lawyers in the house?
05/28/06 19:37:10 DougSymington: O'Reilly needed a test case for EU, that's why
05/28/06 19:37:37 Harold_Jarche: ah ha
05/28/06 19:37:40 Brad_Hicks: so maybe we should all just start using a new term for it? - I'm sure it could be coined very quickly via the net - make the term web 2.0 irrelevant! lol
05/28/06 19:37:51 JasonRobertshaw: What's the alternative? So many people whing at the term Web 2.0 anyway.
05/28/06 19:38:00 Harold_Jarche: web 4.7?
05/28/06 19:38:06 JasonRobertshaw: Web 2.1
05/28/06 19:38:49 JasonRobertshaw: So the conferenc schwag will be more collectible?
05/28/06 19:38:55 DougSymington: lol
05/28/06 19:39:00 Brad_Hicks: 2.0 web? :p
05/28/06 19:39:34 DougSymington: BBerr
05/28/06 19:39:36 DougSymington: y
05/28/06 19:39:36 JasonRobertshaw: Not a product...a service
05/28/06 19:39:48 Harold_Jarche: we are not a company - we are a community - much better
05/28/06 19:40:05 JasonRobertshaw: Agreed, Harold.
05/28/06 19:40:57 DougSymington: let's have a 'cast from the conf
05/28/06 19:41:26 JasonRobertshaw: Thanks Tom.
05/28/06 19:43:10 Brad_Hicks: soldier on dave :-)
05/28/06 19:43:20 dave: lol
05/28/06 19:43:22 dave: thanks brad
05/28/06 19:46:46 DougSymington: http://www.tomrafteryit.net/
05/28/06 19:48:35 JasonRobertshaw: Tempest in a teapot
05/28/06 19:48:47 dave: so you've been saying
05/28/06 19:48:54 dave: i'm not so sure
05/28/06 19:49:13 dave: it shows, if nothing else, that the response of the community affects policy
05/28/06 19:50:00 Brad_Hicks: if a company wins on something so ridiculous - more the fools us if we stand by and let it happen
05/28/06 19:50:44 Brad_Hicks: boycott there products/services
05/28/06 19:50:50 Brad_Hicks: their*
05/28/06 19:51:10 DougSymington: Harold, Harold, Harold
05/28/06 19:51:54 JasonRobertshaw: Still, this reminds me of the mob justice/mentality that digg delivered to PriceRitePhoto
05/28/06 19:52:20 Brad_Hicks: yep anyone who tries this sort os cr-p
05/28/06 19:52:31 Brad_Hicks: of*
05/28/06 19:53:52 JasonRobertshaw: And the response time to put out a fire is microscopic
05/28/06 19:54:06 JasonRobertshaw: Can't take vacations anymore
05/28/06 19:55:23 dave: sorry doug
05/28/06 19:55:28 dave: having trouble getting you
05/28/06 19:55:42 DougSymington: no prob
05/28/06 19:56:15 DougSymington: skype's been very tempermental this eve
05/28/06 19:56:29 dave: it says i already have a conversation going with you
05/28/06 19:56:44 DougSymington: got a busy when I tried you
05/28/06 19:57:04 Brad_Hicks: gppd point harold
05/28/06 19:57:14 Brad_Hicks: good point
05/28/06 19:57:23 DougSymington: I've put it to bed for the night, enjoying the stream
05/28/06 19:57:37 dave: http://www.tomrafteryit.net/cory-doctorow-oreilly-apologist/
05/28/06 20:00:26 dave: thank you chatroom
05/28/06 20:00:35 dave: jason we need to argue about this further
05/28/06 20:00:51 Brad_Hicks: Thanks Dave
05/28/06 20:00:51 DougSymington: great show, look forward to the next go 'round
05/28/06 20:01:00 JasonRobertshaw: 'kay. I'll try to remember to bring my mic home next time.
05/28/06 20:01:31 DougSymington: thanks all, have a great week
05/28/06 20:01:55 Brad_Hicks: any post show?
05/28/06 20:02:04 JasonRobertshaw: I prefer to think of myself as irregular
05/28/06 20:02:09 dave: lol
05/28/06 20:02:11 DougSymington: keep Thursday night open--we can use the BStorm time...
05/28/06 20:02:12 DougSymington: lol
05/28/06 20:02:15 dave: perhaps more fiber
05/28/06 20:02:19 DougSymington: good one calamari
05/28/06 20:02:28 DougSymington: cya y'all soon
05/28/06 20:03:19 JasonRobertshaw: See, corps can't take vacations.
05/28/06 20:03:27 JasonRobertshaw: Always on.
05/28/06 20:04:03 JasonRobertshaw: I'll be in Second Life for a little while
05/28/06 20:04:09 JasonRobertshaw: Bye
05/28/06 20:04:15 Brad_Hicks: np dave , hope the little guy is doing well
05/28/06 20:04:27 Brad_Hicks: cya
EdTechTalk#45 Chat Transcript
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18:47:15 Brad_Hicks: Hi guys - sorry listening while I get ready for work, ironinng shirt etc
18:47:42 Brad_Hicks: don't have time to join converstaion though :(
18:50:15 MenoRich: Hey Brad
18:55:52 MenoRich: Hey Jason
18:56:01 MenoRich: We're at the Webcastatorium
19:16:57 dave: hey doug
19:17:05 DougSymington: Hi Everyone
18:47:15 Brad_Hicks: Hi guys - sorry listening while I get ready for work, ironinng shirt etc
18:47:42 Brad_Hicks: don't have time to join converstaion though :(
18:50:15 MenoRich: Hey Brad
18:55:52 MenoRich: Hey Jason
18:56:01 MenoRich: We're at the Webcastatorium
19:16:57 dave: hey doug
19:17:05 DougSymington: Hi Everyone
EdTechTalk#44 Chat Transcript
19:14:02 JeffLebow: http://www.edtechtalk.com/wiki/index.php/EdTechTalk_44
19:21:19 dave-on-air: hi steve
19:23:31 Steve_K: Greetings from Kingston, NH
19:24:02 dave-on-air: you're jsut down the road from jeff
19:24:11 dave-on-air: he's in bow
19:24:48 JeffLebow: Hello Steve
19:28:34 Steve_K: Marc Prensky has written extensively about the power of games and simulations as educational tools. He has a new book out (I haven't read it yet). See http://www.marcprensky.com/
19:21:19 dave-on-air: hi steve
19:23:31 Steve_K: Greetings from Kingston, NH
19:24:02 dave-on-air: you're jsut down the road from jeff
19:24:11 dave-on-air: he's in bow
19:24:48 JeffLebow: Hello Steve
19:28:34 Steve_K: Marc Prensky has written extensively about the power of games and simulations as educational tools. He has a new book out (I haven't read it yet). See http://www.marcprensky.com/
EdTechBrainstorm#33 Chat Transcript
19:01:10 JeffLebow: Hello Scottlo
19:01:11 scottlo: hiya Jeff
19:01:21 scottlo: how's the price of gold? ;)
19:01:32 JeffLebow: Up, up, and away
19:01:46 scottlo: gotta love it!
19:01:52 JeffLebow: Is this Scott Lockman?
19:02:01 JeffLebow: Hey Doug
19:02:06 DougSymington: Hey Jeff
19:01:11 scottlo: hiya Jeff
19:01:21 scottlo: how's the price of gold? ;)
19:01:32 JeffLebow: Up, up, and away
19:01:46 scottlo: gotta love it!
19:01:52 JeffLebow: Is this Scott Lockman?
19:02:01 JeffLebow: Hey Doug
19:02:06 DougSymington: Hey Jeff
EdTechTalk#43 Chat Transcript
18:56:02 JeffLebow: Hi Dave's dad
18:56:17 rentre: Hi Jeff
18:56:40 dave-on-air: hi brad
18:56:50 Brad_Hicks: Hi guys
18:57:32 DougSymington: Hi all
18:57:59 dave-on-air: hi doug
18:58:15 Brad_Hicks: Hi Doug
18:59:40 Brad_Hicks: Anything on Drupal training soon?
EdTechTalk#41 Chat Transcript
18:57:08 conrad: do you use linux?
18:57:17 dave-on-air: not right now...
18:57:30 conrad: ok but you have some knowledge in that?
18:57:30 dave-on-air: but i do a little ubuntu and a little suse
18:57:44 dave-on-air: messed with debian
18:57:47 dave-on-air: no expert
18:57:50 dave-on-air: but know a little
EdTechTalk#40 - Chat Transcript
18:36:11 jeff: I'm going to reboot my machine - stream will go down for a few minutes and then we'll be back ready to go on live
18:38:45 conrad: roger that
18:42:27 Brad_Hicks: Hey Jeff, I was hoping that I'd be able to join in this morning , but I'm not going to be able to hang around unfortunately
18:42:56 conrad: channel 2 works too or you play just a recording there?
18:43:15 Jeff_Lebow: both are a recording now
18:38:45 conrad: roger that
18:42:27 Brad_Hicks: Hey Jeff, I was hoping that I'd be able to join in this morning , but I'm not going to be able to hang around unfortunately
18:42:56 conrad: channel 2 works too or you play just a recording there?
18:43:15 Jeff_Lebow: both are a recording now
EdTechBrainstorm 28A - "Real Time" Concept Mapping with SMART Ideas
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EdTechBrainstorm #28A
March 30, 2006
Discussion with Jeff F, Andy, Brad, Art, Ann and Doug. Topics covered include global warming and concept mapping. During the webcast we experiemnt in "real time" with the SMART Ideas beta server. Visit this link for an HTML version of the concept map we worked on during the show.
