WoW 2.0 Show # 36 with Linda Criddle, Internet Safety
Our #35th show. We were missing Sharon, she was in Boston at the Alan November Learning Communities conference. But, Vicki, Cheryl and Jen have a great interview with Linda and learn about predatory behavior and how to garner parent support through empowerment!
Sharon's wow - (just in case I don't make it to the show) -
- Blog pick of the week - Andrew Keen: Luddite? (About his book Cult of the Amateur) We have to have an entire show to deal with this one!!
- Webpage of the week: Top 25 Web 2.0 Apps to Improve a Student's or Professor's Productivity - probably already shared another time, but recently rediscovered (mentioned on ETT on Sunday). The show of ETT on Sunday was really great - can't wait to listen to the podcast because my Internet was so flaky that night
- Cheryl's Wow
Chat Log Below
Linda Criddle, Internet Safety Expert (45 min)
Chat Below- during the live show, the chat had many colors not represented here, but the content is wonderful, as are the threads of conversation to follow.
20:48:48 JenniferW but now we are chatting
20:48:56 JenniferW so life is good
20:49:33 Vicki Davis Hello everyone!
20:49:48 carolynf Hi Vicki
20:50:05 DBragg hi
20:50:08 Vicki Davis Hello Carolyn.
20:50:28 Durff het vicki!
20:50:37 Durff hi cheryl!
20:50:43 DBragg hi cheryl
20:50:52 carolynf Hi cheryl :)
20:50:56 Durff hi linda!
20:51:04 cheryloakes wow2 Hi all, trying to get the stream up
20:51:11 JenniferW Let us know when you have sound
20:51:21 Durff let us know when
20:51:28 cheryloakes wow2 susan are you here,?
20:51:30 Durff coffee calls
20:51:37 Vicki Davis Lisa, coffee this late?
20:51:57 cheryloakes wow2 okay, I just connected listen up on edtechA
20:52:06 Cathy E That is what I was going to say- how can she drink coffee at this hour :)
20:52:13 cheryloakes wow2 how is the sound, gang?
20:52:23 Cathy E I hear you Cheryl
20:52:28 Cathy E talk to us
20:52:32 carolynf I can hear some rustling ;)
20:52:39 cheryloakes wow2 thanks, Cathy, we are good,
20:52:40 maria me 2
20:53:17 Durff stream on A
20:53:22 Durff say sth
20:53:34 CheriT I only hear Cheryl - am I missing something?
20:53:37 Durff sing
20:53:51 carolynf how do I find this on Skype...whenever someone gets a chance...<--newbie
20:53:52 Vicki Davis Can you hear us now.
20:53:55 mmiller I heard 'thanks cathy and giggling
20:54:01 CheriT nope
20:54:06 DBragg you really want a show tonight durff!
20:54:07 Durff that was cheryl
20:54:12 Vicki Davis OK, we're pulling back in.
20:54:13 Durff avoiding sining
20:54:22 Durff hi john
20:54:29 carolynf can't hear anything at the moment
20:54:32 JohnSchinker Hi Durff
20:54:38 cheryloakes wow2 thanks, Cheri, didn't hit the hijack it was hidden
20:54:42 CheriT yea! voiceds
20:54:45 carolynf now we can hear
20:54:47 cheryloakes wow2 thanks,
20:54:51 JohnSchinker The last thing OI heard was "Thanks, Kathy"
20:54:56 cheryloakes wow2 i went out for ice water, sorry,
20:55:06 CheriT It's so nice to hear you all! thanks wow gals
20:55:09 Vicki Davis Can you hear me now? Ha ha!
20:55:11 cheryloakes wow2 can you hear the fan?
20:55:21 Durff speak louder
20:55:37 Durff deliquents?
20:55:41 Durff who is?
20:55:49 carolynf sounds good over here
20:55:52 Durff are you calling a deliquent?
20:55:53 Vicki Davis Hello Jeff!
20:55:57 cheryloakes wow2 ok good sound
20:55:59 DBragg i can hear fine
20:56:00 Durff well you're right
20:56:07 CheriT well done!
20:56:11 Durff you both are live
20:56:13 JohnSchinker It's all fixed.
20:56:27 Durff how?
20:56:31 CheriT i had 2 streams going ... now that was weird
20:56:38 Durff better teach us that
20:56:58 Durff hi pam
20:57:07 Pam Shoemaker HI!
20:57:11 Vicki Davis http://look-both-ways.com
20:57:12 Durff oh hi jeff
20:57:16 Vicki Davis Linda's website.
20:58:12 Durff hi cathy
20:58:23 Durff hi jen
20:58:35 cathywo hi, i'm not getting sound so i'll keep playing with it
20:58:40 Jeff Stanzler (Belated) hello!
20:58:48 Vicki Davis Hello Jeff. I'm glad that you made it.
20:58:56 Jeff Stanzler Thanks, Vicki
20:58:57 cheryloakes wow2 Hi, cathy, cheri, durff, jen, jeff, jl, john, linda, maria, melinda, pam, vicki
20:58:58 Pam Shoemaker Hi Jeff
20:59:06 maria howdy all
20:59:10 carolynf i have 750..lol
20:59:14 Jeff Stanzler The Michigan contingent checks in ;-)
20:59:20 mmiller Hello!
20:59:29 Vicki Davis Hello everyone.
20:59:38 jen_moy hi everyone!
20:59:39 carolynf anyone want to mention how to skype in? i'd appreciate it.
20:59:45 Durff cathywo-sound?
20:59:51 Vicki Davis Hello Carolyn. Just click on the listen button.
20:59:59 Durff carolyn
21:00:06 Vicki Davis I think it is on the left -- do you see it there?
21:00:09 Cathy E http://126.96.36.199:8000
21:00:09 Durff listen on the stream
21:00:28 Durff cathy?
21:00:33 Durff sound?
21:00:44 cheryloakes wow2 http://www.moodle.org and http://www.atomiclearning.com
21:00:48 JenniferW http://ottobib.com/
21:01:03 cathywo SOUnd is OK, thanks
21:01:17 CheriT oh my goodness
21:01:17 cheryloakes wow2 thank,s
21:01:25 Durff perfect!
21:01:26 JenniferW http://www.notefish.com/
21:01:28 CheriT that's so cool - quick citations
21:01:31 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Jason, chris, dbragg,alicebarr
21:01:33 Durff hi alice
21:01:40 alicebarr Hi durff
21:01:44 cathywo hi alice
21:01:44 alicebarr Hi cathy wo
21:01:50 Durff jason
21:01:50 Jason Hando Hi Cheryl, Jen, Vicki, ..... everyone
21:01:59 maria yeah kindergarten
21:02:00 Durff when did you slipin here
21:02:03 Jason Hando Hi again Lisa
21:02:12 JenniferW http://oedb.org/library/beginning-online-learning/top-25-web20-productiv...
21:02:15 Jason Hando Just did then
21:02:15 Pam Shoemaker cool!
21:02:21 jen_moy love david warlick too!!
21:02:39 JenniferW http://teachers4schools.com/open/?p=17
21:02:42 alicebarr Hi cheri and Cheryl
21:02:43 CheriT saw dave warlick in Bloggers Cafe in Second Life today - thrill
21:02:43 Durff hi paula
21:02:51 CheriT hi alice
21:02:55 Durff hi mojomom
21:02:59 CheriT i'm there too - sl
21:03:02 carolynf Andrew keen...book is making me angry!
21:03:13 cheryloakes wow2 oh, not good,
21:03:14 Durff Dr. T - today?
21:03:21 Durff did you take a pic?
21:03:23 Jason Hando That's like an Aussie sounding kiwi ;-)
21:03:36 Durff right mate
21:03:39 CheriT good durff - and you?
21:03:45 mmiller Durf I uploaded your It's Elem podcast to my teacher's blog and told them they could get 1 hour of PD credit if they listen and fill out the PD form we use for everything else
21:04:07 CheriT bretag
21:04:24 cheryloakes wow2 great Melinda! you go!
21:04:26 Jason Hando we're listening ;-)
21:04:30 CheriT me too!
21:04:32 Durff mmiller you didn't
21:04:46 Jason Hando not enough female programmers
21:04:52 cheryloakes wow2 durff you are famous
21:04:55 Vicki Davis * http://www.visuwords.com/ * http://www.quintura.com/ * http://kids.quintura.com/ * http://www.touchgraph.com/TGGoogleBrowser.html * http://www.kartoo.com/en_index.htm
21:04:56 Durff hi colleen
21:04:58 mmiller I loved it and wanted to share, hope that's okay
21:04:58 alicebarr I am hoping people from my tech class are here tonight
21:04:59 carolynf you're right jason
21:05:01 Jason Hando I have trouble getting girls to do as subject at high school
21:05:01 jen_moy hi kristin
21:05:05 CheriT multiple personality disorder is contagious!
21:05:05 Colleen King Hi Durff
21:05:06 Durff hi kristin
21:05:15 cheryloakes wow2 great links vicki
21:05:17 carolynf we're thinking of starting a women of the web for our high school students
21:05:18 Durff mmiller it is
21:05:20 patruffing some of these men have freedom to travel all over and talk their talk and get themselves known...because someone else is home with their children
21:05:22 Jason Hando Kristin - reading your blog post right now
21:05:27 LisaMLane wow, my computer can only do SL by itself
21:05:31 JenniferW LINK TO the Bloggers Cafe -- http://slurl.com/secondlife/Eduisland%20II/232/148/29
21:05:32 cheryloakes wow2 great idea for high school girls give them a voice
21:05:37 JenniferW Lisa -- I am on 2 computers tonight
21:05:41 Durff but i can't imagine
21:05:45 JenniferW WOW2 PC -- SL MAC
21:05:48 Durff hi sue
21:05:48 LisaMLane ah, Jennifer, that explains it! :-)
21:05:49 carolynf exactly, cheryl, and encourage their interests
21:05:52 Kristin Hokanson PHEW
21:05:53 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Kristin, glad you are here, keep your eyes open.
21:05:56 Kristin Hokanson Hi everyone
21:06:01 JenniferW I am scaring myself
21:06:01 jen_moy hi kristin:)
21:06:09 Kristin Hokanson will be able to stay for about 30 min
21:06:10 Kristin Hokanson JEN
21:06:11 Durff chat is scrolling soooo fast!
21:06:17 Durff this is great
21:06:21 LisaMLane LOL Jennifer, you're not multitasking till you have a third thing
21:06:24 cheryloakes wow2 Kristin, we will have a podcast up in a couple days.
21:06:27 CheriT Do you see me sitting across from you Jen? in SL
21:06:32 JenniferW 29 in CHAT
21:06:35 JenniferW HCheri -- I do
21:06:39 Durff 29!
21:06:41 JenniferW I was going to ask you what I missed
21:06:41 jen_moy this is great and it's my first wow2.0 chat, so even more exciting
21:06:44 CheriT funny :-)
21:06:45 JenniferW and HI COLLEEN
21:06:47 Durff a new record!
21:06:47 LisaMLane Jennifer and Cheri, what are your SL names?
21:06:51 carolynf Hi Jen :)
21:06:51 CheriT I don't know, i"m over here more
21:06:53 cheryloakes wow2 Jen you will love the chat
21:06:53 Colleen King Hi Jen!
21:06:53 JenniferW MacsMom Alcott
21:06:59 CheriT etdoc sungsoo
21:07:02 JenniferW Collen -- I am in SL right now too
21:07:05 JenniferW kinda scarey
21:07:07 Colleen King Too much multitasking for me.
21:07:17 JenniferW and me too
21:07:19 LisaMLane thanks, I'll see you someday
21:07:21 Durff jen is a multitasker
21:07:23 JenniferW but Ryan double scheduled me
21:07:25 Durff a natural
21:07:29 JenniferW actually -- LOL, I am not
21:07:33 LisaMLane I'm my own name, but only once computer tonight
21:07:38 LisaMLane *one
21:07:45 Durff then it's his fault
21:08:03 Durff everyone here hear sound?
21:08:15 Vicki Davis Can you hear?
21:08:18 Vicki Davis Hey Brian?
21:08:19 Pam Shoemaker Sound loud and clear
21:08:21 LisaMLane sounds good
21:08:22 DBragg brb
21:08:23 Durff hi brian
21:08:27 cheryloakes wow2 hey brian, where are you, PA? glad to see you
21:08:27 Durff hi rachel
21:08:37 JenniferW Hey Darren
21:08:37 Vicki Davis Hello Darren.
21:08:38 carolynf hi darren :)
21:08:40 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Darren, how are you?
21:08:44 darrendraper Hi all
21:08:46 Durff brian in philly ithink
21:08:55 Durff hi darren
21:08:58 darrendraper Doing great.
21:09:00 JenniferW Hello Darren
21:09:00 mmiller sound is fine for me
21:09:02 learningismesy Hi - I am in Philadelphia
21:09:03 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Rachel, and carolynf, colleen
21:09:06 JenniferW the WIKI will be updated LATER tonight
21:09:10 darrendraper Sounds great here!
21:09:12 JenniferW all links will be there later
21:09:12 Durff brian did you go to lancaster yet?
21:09:17 carolynf thanks jennifer
21:09:18 Colleen King Hi Cheryl!
21:09:20 learningismesy Tomorrow
21:09:28 Durff you'll love it
21:09:36 learningismesy Valley Forge today
21:09:45 JenniferW Brian -- did you go to the Constitution Center???
21:09:45 Durff very historical
21:09:48 JenniferW tell me you did
21:09:57 cheryloakes wow2 hi Lisa
21:10:10 Durff did you go to alfred's alley like i told you to
21:10:11 carolynf nice that she's speaking to vendors/software developers
21:10:21 JenniferW He logged out
21:10:23 JenniferW and he is back
21:10:31 Vicki Davis Hi Brian.
21:10:37 JenniferW and he is gone
21:10:37 Durff a ouble take
21:10:42 LisaMLane hi, cheryl, if you mean me instead of Durff -- hi anyway
21:10:45 JenniferW Hi Rachel
21:10:51 Durff double-double retake
21:10:58 darrendraper Hi Rachel. How's NZ?
21:11:00 cheryloakes wow2 no, I meant lisam, durff is durff
21:11:03 JenniferW Brian -- did you get stuck in the revolving door??
21:11:05 Durff hi lisa
21:11:06 RachelBoyd Hi from NZ - I am on lunch break!
21:11:07 learningismessy I'm having trouble getting sound
21:11:14 LisaMLane hi Durff!
21:11:20 Cathy E Ohhh- I would love to help you test in a K-5 school
21:11:25 carolynf hi Rachel! Great to see you!
21:11:26 Durff yes i am even the kidws say so
21:11:29 RachelBoyd kids are running through classroom so this is a different situation!
21:11:30 cheryloakes wow2 brian, sound is edtechtalk a
21:11:31 LisaMLane sorry I've missed for awhile
21:11:47 cheryloakes wow2 we have missed you too lisam :-)
21:11:49 CheriT where are you in NZ, Rachel
21:11:50 carolynf Tell your students hello :)
21:11:54 Durff running?
21:11:56 mmiller I had to open two windows, one for chat and one for sound
21:12:02 Durff rachel you let tham run?
21:12:05 JenniferW poor Brian -- grab hold of this line. We will hold you here
21:12:07 LisaMLane went to EdMedia in Vancouver -- what a web 2.0 experience!
21:12:10 RachelBoyd Cheri I am in Nelson which is in the south Island
21:12:13 CheriT who's typing? :-)
21:12:16 cheryloakes wow2 good point mmiller, i have 15 windows open.
21:12:18 darrendraper Sweet, Rachel. Let 'em have it. Tell them you're busy. Stop talking!
21:12:25 cheryloakes wow2 i am typing
21:12:27 mmiller over acheiver
21:12:28 CheriT another south islander - i've met a couple in Second Life
21:12:28 alicebarr Hi susan E
21:12:34 RachelBoyd Duff, trust me I am not happy - they didn't see me here in the corner on the computer
21:12:36 CheriT you're fast, Cheryl :)
21:12:41 Durff OAA club
21:12:45 cheryloakes wow2 have to be to keep up with vicki
21:12:50 RachelBoyd when the cat's away!!
21:12:57 Vicki Davis ha ha cheryl
21:13:18 RachelBoyd Sorry Durff, having bad spelling day
21:13:24 Durff so rachel they are caught red handed
21:13:31 Durff me too
21:13:32 LisaMLane sorry I keep popping in and out -- bad Safari day
21:13:41 RachelBoyd yes!
21:13:43 JenniferW wow -- the door is revolving for a lot of you
21:13:43 Durff ok
21:13:46 learningismessy Yeah I'm logged on and hearing
21:13:49 cathywo What's her blog or website address?
21:14:00 RachelBoyd I hate safari!
21:14:03 Vicki Davis http://look-both-ways.com/default.aspx - Website
21:14:10 Durff what do you call those revolving doors?
21:14:11 LisaMLane me too, but Firefox wouldn't bring up the chat window
21:14:13 cathywo thanks vicki
21:14:17 Durff the round ones?
21:14:18 JenniferW going in and out
21:14:20 RachelBoyd ta
21:14:29 darrendraper I'm with you LisaMLane
21:14:39 Durff Lisa - it did for me
21:14:47 Durff I use Firefox
21:14:47 Vicki Davis Here is her blog - http://look-both-ways.com/blogs/blog/default.aspx
21:14:51 Vicki Davis Great information on it.
21:15:02 LisaMLane well, d*mn, must have lost my touch tonight then
21:15:05 cathywo Thanks, it's fun to look & listen..
21:15:09 RachelBoyd Firefox is for me too - I LOVE firefox!
21:15:24 LisaMLane I adore Firefox. But new computer is acting odd.
21:15:28 cheryloakes wow2 i love flock, very much like firefox
21:15:33 JenniferW OH Thanks CHERYL
21:15:39 JenniferW Time for COLOR
21:15:46 JenniferW look to the lower left of your toolbar
21:15:50 carolynf I like her not approaching it from fear standpoint
21:15:53 JenniferW and choose a COLOR on the color palette
21:15:55 carolynf that doesn't fly well in high school
21:15:55 learningismessy I've liked Flock so far - but haven't used alot yet
21:15:58 Durff yes-everyone at the same time must educate
21:16:05 JenniferW helps keep chat clear
21:16:07 Durff a united front
21:16:08 LisaMLane very good article in Atlantic Monthly about all this
21:16:12 RachelBoyd ok - I will be this colour
21:16:13 Jason Hando blue
21:16:18 mmiller pink
21:16:27 Durff color?
21:16:27 Vicki Davis Lisa do you have the hyperlink?
21:16:35 JenniferW How does someone get your book?? and help you BETA it??
21:16:38 mmiller but it shows up as black still
21:16:48 carolynf purple
21:16:50 Durff I don't get color
21:16:53 JenniferW MMiller -- you look PINK to us
21:16:57 learningismessy Are we supposed to pick colors now!
21:17:00 Pam Shoemaker No color for me either
21:17:01 JenniferW Brian -- LOL
21:17:02 CheriT durff you look green to me
21:17:03 JenniferW if you wish
21:17:10 JenniferW do MACS not show color???
21:17:13 darrendraper How are you doing Jason? I've enjoyed your participation on EBW.
21:17:16 Durff i picked greed
21:17:18 CheriT my mac is showing color
21:17:22 Durff green
21:17:23 cheryloakes wow2 i show colors on my mac for all
21:17:23 mjclausen as is my mac
21:17:24 JenniferW LOLOL -- I pick Greed too
21:17:26 carolynf lol durff
21:17:26 LisaMLane looking, Vicki -- it's a story by Caitlin Flanagan
21:17:27 Pam Shoemaker I'm using IE
21:17:30 Durff but i cannot see it
21:17:35 JenniferW Hmmm -- I am using FF and have color
21:17:37 Colleen King No colors on PC IE
21:17:38 Durff must be firefoc?
21:17:47 mjclausen im using flock
21:17:48 Durff hi carolynf
21:17:54 carolynf can I use this with my own parents?
21:17:56 learningismessy I'm using Safari and a Mac doing fine
21:17:57 CheriT i dont' get color on my PC with firefox, but do w/Mac and FF
21:18:01 LisaMLane start of article (needs subscriptions for rest): http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/prem/200707/myspace
21:18:03 Durff uyes
21:18:03 Vicki Davis The book is for all ages.
21:18:06 Jason Hando administrators are struggling with keeping up with internet safety
21:18:06 darrendraper You kids are as bad as the real kids. Are all teachers HDADHD?
21:18:09 carolynf spent 7 hours getting viruses off of my own father's computer
21:18:19 darrendraper High Definition ADHD?
21:18:25 darrendraper :)
21:18:27 LisaMLane how's red?
21:18:30 Durff netzsmartz is good too carolynf
21:18:34 cheryloakes wow2 you got it darren, no more meetings for me without backchannel of chats
21:18:42 darrendraper Netsmartz is great.
21:18:51 carolynf lol...well, it just dawned on me to show him what we show the students.
21:18:54 cheryloakes wow2 i like netsmartz for K-5
21:18:58 LisaMLane I'm not ADHD; I just like doing many things at once!
21:19:02 cheryloakes wow2 haven't used it yet with older
21:19:03 Pam Shoemaker I want to know what Linda thinks about the i-SAFE curriculum.
21:19:10 Durff i want to facilitate backchannels in high school this year
21:19:18 darrendraper I just hooked up my graduate cohort with chat. They think I'm the king of the world. We can finally talk about the professor behind their backs.
21:19:23 LisaMLane In Atlantic Monthly, she posed as stalker and followed a hs student
21:19:25 mjclausen good question (i-SAFE) my district uses that too
21:19:35 RachelBoyd good one Darren!
21:19:36 cheryloakes wow2 that will be great durff, we are using moodle and my teachers are excited about chats and forums
21:19:42 Durff and you darren probably read it all
21:19:45 LisaMLane I love Moodle
21:19:54 darrendraper How does Vicki stay so focused? What a rock.
21:19:57 mmiller Parents are behind in internet safety as well. Don't just turn your kids loose on a computer in their own room by themselves for a while. The internet is not a babysitter
21:20:00 Durff she is
21:20:03 Vicki Davis Ha ha - darren.
21:20:07 Colleen King Darren, are you at the book chat, too?
21:20:12 Durff but it's true
21:20:15 darrendraper No.
21:20:18 carolynf don't put the computer in the kids room at all ;)
21:20:21 learningismessy Moodle just one more app I haven't really used yet : (
21:20:22 LisaMLane mmiller, you have to teach them what's OK first
21:20:23 Durff you are incredible
21:20:43 LisaMLane just finished a book chapter on CMSs -- had to restrain myself about Moodle
21:20:44 mmiller but you still need to check on them, they are kids
21:20:47 darrendraper And how in the WORLD does Vicki type AND talk at the same time? If I took her class, I would be toast!
21:20:56 darrendraper You're great, Vick.
21:21:03 LisaMLane maybe she has an evil twin
21:21:03 carolynf she is a WOW ;)
21:21:07 darrendraper :)
21:21:09 cathywo I surveyed 4th graders-- over 50% are on line without an adult knowing
21:21:13 learningismessy I can't type and type at the same time
21:21:13 Jason Hando there's a delay so what shows up here is after they talk by 10 sec
21:21:14 mjclausen exactly--fear-based appeals don't work
21:21:17 Durff darren you would backchannel like crazy in her class
21:21:18 darrendraper Ohhhhhh. She's cheating...
21:21:21 RachelBoyd is it because she is a woman - multi-tasking (!)
21:21:25 Vicki Davis Ha ha!
21:21:26 darrendraper Hey...
21:21:29 RachelBoyd just stiring lol
21:21:29 carolynf right rachel ;)
21:21:30 Vicki Davis You all are trying to distract me --
21:21:38 JenniferW LOL. Brian
21:21:40 Vicki Davis Darren, you are naughty!
21:21:43 Jason Hando like naughty students
21:21:44 Durff how are we doing?
21:21:46 Vicki Davis Trying to get the teacher off topic!
21:21:48 Jason Hando lol
21:21:49 Vicki Davis Ha ha!
21:21:55 mjclausen lol
21:22:07 Durff trying can't hurt
21:22:14 Jason Hando I have a funny story about fake email
21:22:19 JenniferW 30 In chat ROOM
21:22:24 Durff oh dear
21:22:28 Jason Hando my clever students pretended to be me and emailed class asking for passwords
21:22:28 darrendraper It's just the company here. BTW, I tried to sign up for the Men of the Web, but all I got was cat blogs. :)
21:22:35 Durff [email protected]
21:22:40 JenniferW LOL
21:22:46 carolynf lol darren
21:22:47 Durff hi cathytwo
21:22:49 JenniferW there is a catblogs site and dogs too
21:22:49 Jason Hando MoW - like lawn mowing?
21:23:04 darrendraper More like 'meow'.
21:23:12 JenniferW OHNO LISA -- My boss couldn't believe that it was really called Speed Dating today
21:23:13 Durff woof
21:23:18 Vicki Davis Ha ha Darren!
21:23:20 Jason Hando some of us like cats when they are..... censored
21:23:20 JenniferW I don't think it was a good name for Educational Conversations
21:23:22 Pam Shoemaker lol
21:23:23 Durff it was
21:23:24 darrendraper That would work, though Jason. Maybe it's out there.
21:23:27 mmiller it's about teachable moments, when inappropriate things happen or things are in the news, use them as teachable momemts
21:23:44 JenniferW Hi Melida -- sorry I didn't say HELLO before
21:23:47 JenniferW Melinda
21:24:06 carolynf the cat ;)
21:24:08 mmiller Hello, this is very interesting to me
21:24:12 Jason Hando 14 - is that legal drinking age in USA?
21:24:16 Durff hi melinda - did i meet you?
21:24:19 RachelBoyd ha ha
21:24:19 Vicki Davis Ha ha Jason -- 21.
21:24:21 carolynf lol, Jason
21:24:24 Durff no jason
21:24:27 Vicki Davis Drafted at age 18.
21:24:30 Jason Hando 18 here in oz
21:24:30 Durff 18 for beer
21:24:33 mmiller No durf I am still anonymous:)
21:24:35 carolynf 21 in texas
21:24:37 Durff 21 for spirits
21:24:39 Jason Hando gun licence at 15?
21:24:41 RachelBoyd ours is 18 here in NZ too
21:24:41 CheriT 18 in Hawaii
21:24:52 darrendraper We don't have guns in the US, Jason.
21:24:53 Jason Hando Hawaii - isnt that USA?
21:24:57 darrendraper Yeah.
21:25:00 LisaMLane there are similar dangers in the real world, of course
21:25:01 cheryloakes wow2 Soon Melinda will debut on Wow2, in the fall. Mystery until then:-)
21:25:01 Jason Hando \hehe
21:25:03 Durff mmiller you are not anonymous
21:25:04 Pam Shoemaker I hear the kitty!
21:25:07 Durff hi Mac
21:25:07 LisaMLane anyone can follow you to school, or see you around
21:25:10 Durff meow
21:25:14 mjclausen I had a student put her cell ph number on her myspace profile.
21:25:15 carolynf in Texas, our governor wants us to bring guns to school
21:25:17 mmiller Yes, I hear the cat too, pretty funny
21:25:27 darrendraper rotfl
21:25:31 Jason Hando I heard a teacher (unnamed) put their cell on twitter!
21:25:32 darrendraper You cat bloggers!
21:25:34 Durff the parents are so lax
21:25:47 mmiller YES PARENTS ARE LAX
21:25:49 Durff an then think we should do it all
21:25:53 LisaMLane so many parents don't get it about so many things
21:25:53 learningismessy In Nevada they actually tried to arm teachers - didn't pass thank God
21:25:55 alicebarr The parents don't know!
21:26:04 carolynf lol..same here in Texas, learningismessy
21:26:05 LisaMLane train them or just arm them?
21:26:11 Jason Hando are you KIDDING - arm teh teachers!!
21:26:18 Durff we have to facilitate parents learning
21:26:22 carolynf our gov. proposed it, jason
21:26:24 cheryloakes wow2 we should arm teachers with laptops
21:26:32 Durff ha ha
21:26:34 learningismessy Yes - arm teachers mandatorily
21:26:35 mmiller In defense of parents, they just don't take the time or have the time
21:26:35 LisaMLane yes, you can do serious head damage with a laptop
21:26:48 Jason Hando Mike Moore would be turning in his grave (if he was dead)
21:26:49 carolynf lol cheryl and lisa
21:26:50 mmiller they better find the time
21:26:54 LisaMLane the ones who have to work don't have the time
21:27:03 LisaMLane I mean have to work, not to buy a new SUV
21:27:07 RachelBoyd ok - school time now
21:27:09 LisaMLane for the rest, there is no excuse
21:27:16 carolynf bye rachel. Tell your students hello from Texas
21:27:16 JenniferW Rachel??? you have to go???
21:27:18 darrendraper Ohhh. Good luck, Rachel.
21:27:19 RachelBoyd I am off - will listen to the recorded version
21:27:20 learningismessy Yes parents don't have time and too often no tech savvy
21:27:23 RachelBoyd C YA!
21:27:24 darrendraper Great to chat.
21:27:26 Jason Hando Bye Rachel
21:27:32 jen_moy hi jason...i'm a keystone and was in kristin's skype session with you last night. thanks so much for skyping in:)
21:27:36 darrendraper Teach your kids about cats. :)
21:27:43 Jason Hando Hi Jen
21:27:46 Durff if anyone says hi durff - that's me if anyone says hi lisa - that's the real mcoy
21:27:48 darrendraper Sorry. Nuf about that.
21:27:50 JenniferW Hi Jason
21:27:50 LisaMLane you absolutely cannot rely on any sort of internet software for protection
21:27:53 Jason Hando Kool, I am being part of tomorrow's session
21:27:54 Durff hi cthytwo
21:27:54 JenniferW good to chat with you again
21:28:00 JenniferW oops -- wrong Jen
21:28:00 Jason Hando Hi JenW
21:28:02 LisaMLane anyone can put their phone number on a paper and someone can upload it
21:28:03 carolynf Apple iPhone cameras
21:28:13 carolynf look up how many pictures on flickr there already are, taken with iphones
21:28:19 LisaMLane ooooh iPhone!
21:28:27 darrendraper Great question. Looking now...
21:28:36 carolynf I did the other day, there were a LOT
21:28:39 Pam Shoemaker Alot of ed tech bloggers have their photos on their blogs. Is this setting a bad example?
21:28:42 JenniferW please don't mention the I word -- I am having iphone envy
21:28:42 Jason Hando and it stays there as well - cachiing!
21:28:46 Vicki Davis AT&T stinks down here so I can't have iphone.
21:28:50 carolynf me too Jennifer
21:28:56 Durff hi janice
21:28:57 JenniferW I don't need one
21:29:02 JenniferW I don't have AT&T
21:29:02 LisaMLane I have a photo of me on my blog, but I won't even talk about my personal life in here.
21:29:04 JenniferW but I want one
21:29:08 JenniferW dont know why
21:29:15 JenniferW excpet it is cute
21:29:17 Durff use an avatar
21:29:20 JenniferW honestly that is it -- IT IS CUTE
21:29:21 carolynf I have At&T...want vs. need ;)
21:29:29 mmiller meez.com has free avatars
21:29:32 janices Hi All. It's great to be here.
21:29:34 Durff we know you are cute jenwq
21:29:50 Durff can youi hear sound janice?
21:29:58 LisaMLane don't call it internet safety -- call it child predator prevention
21:30:00 jen_moy bob sprankle does some great stuff
21:30:02 JenniferW LOL I am not cute -- but the Iphone is
21:30:10 Durff hi parisi!
21:30:15 carolynf lisa, but it does include safety from spam, hackers, viruses, too
21:30:16 JenniferW the commercials ONLY show the good side of IPHONE
21:30:17 Vicki Davis It does spread like that -- that is what happened at my school.
21:30:18 learningismessy At NECC I saw software that allowed streaming video live to a web site that archived it for future use. What are implications for that?
21:30:22 mmiller I am in a rural school and many families do not have high speed internet so they use email at work and the kids main access is at school
21:30:23 mjclausen predator prevention puts the emphasis back on fear.
21:30:26 Vicki Davis Yes, Carolyn.
21:30:30 LisaParisi hello all
21:30:33 LisaMLane carolyn, so just Child Safety then
21:30:39 Jason Hando Hi Lisa
21:30:45 LisaMLane Hi Jason
21:30:57 carolynf well, I think it is internet safety...the kids are the ones really "running" the family computer a lot of the time
21:30:59 Vicki Davis Good question Brian. I've got it when we go through Cheryl's and jen's questions.
21:31:08 carolynf good for them to not only know about predators, but like she said, to be empowered.
21:31:11 Vicki Davis "If we're going to teach, they need to be come out taught" great quote.
21:31:13 LisaMLane carolyn, I'm just suggesting that some of them don't know what "internet safety" means
21:31:15 carolynf there are spammers, viruses, etc.
21:31:25 carolynf "computer safety"?
21:31:29 mjclausen that is true lisa
21:31:34 LisaMLane you need something catchy
21:31:42 Jason Hando Has anyone in this chat ever been stalked or similar?
21:31:50 Durff yup
21:32:01 Jason Hando never happened to me, but I understand it could one day
21:32:07 Durff it is safest to follow those who stalk you
21:32:13 Jason Hando how do you stop it once it starts?
21:32:19 carolynf no, have had "chat harrassers before"
21:32:22 Durff they never seem to turn around
21:32:24 Jason Hando really?
21:32:30 mmiller I wrote a grant called "Bridging the Gap" - the Gap between adult and student internet use
21:32:38 Jason Hando so u mean skype chat or messenger etc?
21:32:43 Durff i was stupidly married to him
21:32:46 mmiller Won't know if I get it until Sept.
21:32:50 LisaMLane oh no Durff!
21:32:52 Jason Hando oops Lisa
21:32:57 carolynf long time ago. AOL chat.
21:33:02 Cathy E I had a daughter stalked- but he found her picture in the newspaper not Internet
21:33:04 cheryloakes wow2 Mmiller did you apply for best buy?
21:33:20 mmiller One of my teachers got that one I applied through NAESP
21:33:24 mjclausen any act of publishing, online or otherwise, brings that risk
21:33:26 Vicki Davis Goodness, Cathy.
21:33:29 LisaMLane Cathy, that's one of my points: the open regular world has its hazards
21:33:29 JenniferW I sent in 4 teachers grants to Best Buy today
21:33:30 Vicki Davis I was stalked in college for a bit.
21:33:32 JenniferW and 2 more tmorrow
21:33:32 cheryloakes wow2 great summer vacation activity
21:33:36 jen_moy i like the empowerment too; too many times people get scared and then we have banning of tech
21:33:44 Durff so is it more dngerous to have a pic in the paper or online?
21:33:50 carolynf I like that too jen
21:33:53 carolynf I don't like teaching fear
21:33:56 carolynf it's not empowering
21:34:05 learningismessy Have seen comment harrassment before,been part of it on a small scale - do you block those comments or not - isn't always an easy decision
21:34:06 cheryloakes wow2 I agree Jen, the empowerment for parents would be a great hook.
21:34:07 mjclausen online potentially reaches more people...
21:34:22 Jason Hando if u block they might get worse!
21:34:25 Vicki Davis I actually went out with a guy once and then wouldn't go out with him again -- and I was stalked terribly -- it can happen anyway anytime and always has.
21:34:30 Vicki Davis But students need to know how to deal with it.
21:34:33 Durff i think so too but state law here disagrees
21:34:40 LisaMLane everyohe needs to know how to deal with it
21:34:41 Vicki Davis I dealt with it and stood up for myself but had a friend that didn't know how to.
21:34:44 LisaMLane not just online
21:34:46 Jason Hando would hope that people in online communities would help if it happened to anyone
21:34:48 Vicki Davis right, Lisa.
21:34:54 darrendraper Definitely, Vicki. At times they simply don't think about what they are putting online.
21:34:56 Durff they think the paper and won't recognize online at all
21:35:05 mjclausen online or off, how to deal is part of citizenship?
21:35:09 carolynf one tip: we should know what the laws require us to filter
21:35:14 carolynf most districts filter far past that point
21:35:15 Vicki Davis Self esteem has a lot to do with whether a person has a problem with these sorts of things and means that we need to really protect those who are vulnerable.
21:35:22 LisaMLane I think it's because we think of the personal computer as our device, and don't realize the connection to the world
21:35:28 Jason Hando in USA laws? In Australia there are schools that don't filter
21:35:34 Vicki Davis However, I will say that there is and was an undercurrent against victims that somehow say it is the victim's fault.
21:35:40 darrendraper Filters are so weak, though.
21:35:42 Vicki Davis What did "you do" to make this happen.
21:35:42 Durff usa - state law
21:35:46 JenniferW Jason -- the NCLB -- if you follow it
21:35:48 LisaMLane hey, Jason, just found your blog
21:35:49 JenniferW demands filtering
21:35:51 JenniferW to get funding
21:35:55 Jason Hando true darren - false sense of security sometimes
21:35:58 carolynf right darren
21:36:04 Jason Hando Thanks Jen
21:36:07 carolynf but some of the filtering laws only apply to images, etc.
21:36:10 mjclausen good point vicki; the culture in the US does seem to be getting past that
21:36:13 Jason Hando Cool LisaMLane
21:36:18 carolynf The districts usually go far beyond the required.
21:36:20 cheryloakes wow2 I like all the color in the chat room tonight, easy to follow the conversations
21:36:22 mmiller You need to show admin examples of good and bad and how to handle it.
21:36:26 Durff email is so yesterday
21:36:34 LisaMLane I had a filter on Google images yesterday and a horrifying photo of a mutilated body came up anyway
21:36:47 Durff yucl
21:36:51 Durff yuck
21:36:53 Vicki Davis Awful!
21:37:07 LisaMLane Jason, c'mon over to my blog someday: http://lisahistory.net/wordpress
21:37:08 cheryloakes wow2 right lisa, kids need to know what to do when that happens and not FEAR they intentionally did this
21:37:30 Durff hi again parisi
21:37:37 LisaMLane now we have THREE Lisas?
21:37:38 LisaParisi hi again durff
21:37:39 Jason Hando will do Lisa
21:37:48 Durff are you getting my twitters?
21:37:53 JenniferW popular name tonight LISA
21:37:54 Vicki Davis Durff is Lisa. Oh no three lisas.
21:37:58 Durff yes lane=lisa
21:37:58 LisaParisi sort of...did you see my blog today?
21:38:05 Durff durff=durff
21:38:05 LisaMLane were we all born in 1963?
21:38:13 LisaParisi 1964
21:38:15 learningismessy I've found if you let parents know there might be problems ocaisionally - but we will teach kids what to do ... and then there is a problem, parents feel MUCH better because it was dealt with, and the student doesn't freak out - so doesn't become such a huge issue.
21:38:16 LisaMLane close
21:38:17 darrendraper Back to iPhone pics on Flickr. The iPhone isn't a category for phones, but you can search by tag: 34,974. Favorite photo?
21:38:18 Durff parisi=parisi
21:38:26 JenniferW our new AUP is covering that
21:38:28 carolynf right learning
21:38:33 Durff 1961
21:38:34 mmiller great Brian, that is exactly right
21:38:37 JenniferW no way to 100% prevent possibiities
21:38:40 carolynf right, darren...how many days has iphone been out? one week?
21:38:43 cheryloakes wow2 right brian, teachable moments are what we need to focus on
21:38:44 carolynf 34,000 photos
21:38:45 janices Great strategy, Brian.
21:38:55 LisaMLane OK, no more women in here born in the early 60s, OK?
21:38:57 carolynf wonder how many on google images?
21:39:04 JenniferW I was 1960
21:39:07 JenniferW LOL
21:39:11 Pam Shoemaker 1962
21:39:12 learningismessy 1955
21:39:13 darrendraper It's been out about three weeks.
21:39:14 LisaMLane hmmmm Jennifer
21:39:14 patruffing babies!
21:39:19 Durff it was a great decade
21:39:20 cheryloakes wow2 how about 1952
21:39:30 patruffing ha how about '51
21:39:31 janices I was before 1960 :)
21:39:33 JenniferW oh Cheryl -- tell me LOL -- no, not really???
21:39:36 Durff that's good too
21:39:42 learningismessy @Cheryl - wow way older han me!!!
21:39:43 LisaParisi so far i'm the youngest! i feel so young
21:39:49 cheryloakes wow2 oh, yes, it was a good year, yah brian
21:39:50 mjclausen well i'm after 1970, lol
21:39:59 LisaParisi thanks for spoiling my fun
21:40:06 Vicki Davis I'm 1969
21:40:07 maria and how about 1950 - yikes
21:40:09 jen_moy after 1980?
21:40:11 Vicki Davis Not ashamed of it.
21:40:16 mjclausen nope
21:40:17 JenniferW jen-MOY -- that is just rude LOLOL
21:40:19 cheryloakes wow2 good for you mjclausen, there is hope for 21st century skills to continue when we retire
21:40:22 learningismessy I graduated High school 1973
21:40:29 JenniferW HS -- 1978
21:40:33 LisaMLane exactly, the school can only promise to try to protect them on campus
21:40:35 Durff 1980
21:40:41 jen_moy LOL:) but my husband always says I'm 26 going on 46
21:40:43 mmiller "Fear Factor" How to uncover the fear of using the internet - that could be a name for a workshop or parent night
21:40:45 janices okay 1954
21:40:54 Durff i would have unplugged it
21:40:59 JenniferW hmmm -- are we going to post this chat??
21:41:04 cheryloakes wow2 I like the fear factor!
21:41:05 carolynf Good point she's making
21:41:07 LisaMLane yes, mmiller, you need a catchy name
21:41:08 JenniferW not sure I want my age posted
21:41:08 mjclausen weird being in a tech discussion with so many OLD people, lol
21:41:13 JenniferW LOLOL
21:41:14 Durff probably
21:41:17 darrendraper brb
21:41:20 cheryloakes wow2 this chat and podcast will be posted on Thurs.
21:41:20 LisaMLane yes, Durff, just trip on the cord
21:41:26 Durff ouch
21:41:26 carolynf darren, 4,310,000 iPhone photos on google images
21:41:30 JenniferW we might need to edit ages Cheryl
21:41:31 Vicki Davis Old -- ha ha!
21:41:35 mmiller Alyson says HI
21:41:42 JenniferW HI ALYSON
21:41:43 carolynf speaking of internet safety, jennifer ..ages
21:41:50 Durff hi ally
21:41:55 Durff hi lindaj
21:41:57 Kristin Hokanson Staff meeting here at the summit--too noisy to hear
21:41:58 LisaMLane how about all that nasty content in the library?
21:42:01 Kristin Hokanson THANKS SO MUCH
21:42:03 mmiller Alyson is our youngest participant now 20 months
21:42:08 JenniferW coool
21:42:10 mjclausen lol
21:42:13 cheryloakes wow2 okay kristin
21:42:15 Durff 20 months!
21:42:16 mmiller 2005
21:42:26 cheryloakes wow2 Alyson is our youngest wow member, right?
21:42:28 Kristin Hokanson Great topic will catch the end later
21:42:29 learningismessy 250,000 students are hurt on playground equip - 50,000 drown in pools
21:42:29 carolynf bad words in the library? no....
21:42:30 JenniferW mac is 48 months -- seems old
21:42:48 carolynf I like her approach a lot. Not so fear based.
21:43:07 LisaMLane not to mention graffiti
21:43:11 mmiller Yes, I even made her a blog:) Not really it was a 'practice' student blog so I could try it out
21:43:19 janices Me too. I like the content on iSafe, but it's so centered on the fear factor.
21:43:32 carolynf I just think we scare kids too much
21:43:33 Durff punitive mesures don't work
21:43:37 LisaMLane surely there's a difference between "moral safety" and actual physical safety
21:43:40 cheryloakes wow2 Hi Janice, just saw you.
21:43:43 carolynf and they think world is so dangerous. More healthy to feel empowered.
21:43:53 carolynf and by high school, they blow off the "fear" stuff
21:43:53 cheryloakes wow2 How many of you teach internet safety at each grade level?
21:43:54 janices iSafe is required in our district for any online class.
21:43:56 Vicki Davis Blog post from Linda - http://look-both-ways.com/blogs/blog/default.aspx
21:44:04 Vicki Davis I teach Internet safety at all levels where I teach.
21:44:06 LisaMLane I can't put naked pictures in the same category as stalking and murder.
21:44:09 janices Hi Cheryl and all.
21:44:11 Vicki Davis 'But it doesn't start until 5th grade.
21:44:13 JenniferW Linda - I am sendng you a note via Instant Message
21:44:25 maria I teach internet safety in my class - with K's
21:44:34 Durff mS & HS get online safety which is more stringent than our school
21:44:47 Durff i don't have lowers now
21:44:50 LisaMLane by the time I get them, it's too late (community college)
21:44:51 alicebarr MAria! Hi
21:44:51 cheryloakes wow2 we teachinternet safety in gr. 1,
21:44:52 learningismessy All the warnings kids are given water down their effct to close to zero - hit by car, fall in open mine (Nevada), drugs, stranger, etc, etc,
21:44:56 Durff or is that yet
21:44:56 LisaParisi computer keeps freezing
21:44:57 maria hi alice
21:45:03 Durff hi chris
21:45:07 carolynf right , messy
21:45:10 JenniferW Alice -- WAIT I see you in SL
21:45:19 alicebarr Yes I am there too
21:45:24 alicebarr With you!
21:45:24 mjclausen yes! practice is key to all learning
21:45:26 JenniferW grins -- yep
21:45:31 LisaParisi thats what froze my computer...SL
21:45:37 JenniferW ahhhh sorry
21:45:39 patruffing how do you feel about using the controlled search in google, where you select the sites you want your kids to see
21:45:40 alicebarr HArd managing two conversations!
21:45:44 carolynf lisa, that's why I don't have second life
21:45:45 Vicki Davis Internet safety should be a core piece of our infrastructure.
21:45:45 janices I hope it doesn't come around again.
21:45:50 Durff aren't the 21st century skills the same ones they need to be safe online?
21:45:51 JenniferW I am just sitting in SL -- not participating
21:45:52 Vicki Davis Regulators should be providing the funding. Great!
21:45:53 learningismessy How can you have time for SL!!!
21:45:56 LisaParisi i'm trying it out
21:46:03 Vicki Davis Yes! companies should be building safer products.
21:46:10 JenniferW Brian -- I don't have kids or hubby
21:46:12 LisaMLane I want more time to do SL
21:46:15 JenniferW if I did -- I would not be on SL
21:46:21 Vicki Davis I have no time to do SL.
21:46:26 JenniferW probably would not be on the Internet either
21:46:26 learningismessy Good point!!!
21:46:33 LisaMLane it takes so long to learn
21:46:34 janices me neither. But looks like fun
21:46:35 JenniferW my family would be #1
21:46:43 JenniferW grins, Mac gets mad at me sometimes
21:46:49 JenniferW and he is a cat :)
21:46:51 patruffing i can't do everything that first life demands
21:46:55 CheriT I have a husband, am in SL and other stuff, but he's online at the same time ;-)
21:46:56 JenniferW LOLOL
21:47:02 JenniferW LOL to Pat
21:47:05 JenniferW not to Cheri
21:47:06 LisaMLane hope no one stalks Jennifer's cat now
21:47:09 carolynf lol, patruffing, same here
21:47:10 CheriT :-0
21:47:11 JenniferW LOL
21:47:12 CheriT :-)
21:47:14 alicebarr Cheri: do you chat with him online?
21:47:30 CheriT sometimes we Skype - when we're in different parts of the house
21:47:31 Vicki Davis Yes, there needs to be a minimum safety bar. Great!
21:47:35 mmiller You would have time if your 1 year old wasn't a good sleeper :(
21:47:38 alicebarr :-)
21:47:42 CheriT :D
21:47:42 JenniferW My house in SL is cleaner than my house in RL -- which I need to work on
21:47:50 mjclausen my wife and i txt from different parts of the house
21:47:50 Durff lots of christms toys offline too
21:47:55 alicebarr Hoo me too! Jen!
21:47:55 carolynf lol, mine would be too jennifer
21:48:00 janices That is not acceptable.
21:48:02 carolynf good thing my husband likes to cook
21:48:08 alicebarr Actually mine's empty!
21:48:18 Vicki Davis Wow! Everything we have has safety regulations except our internet tools for kids -- wow!
21:48:18 LisaMLane these products are designed to connect people without them having to think
21:48:22 JenniferW We need the link to her website!!!
21:48:25 learningismessy I do most of the cooking at my house
21:48:27 JenniferW Please drop that again VICKI
21:48:28 CheriT Alice, yours almost got blown away
21:48:32 Vicki Davis http://look-both-ways.com/default.aspx
21:48:40 JenniferW and we need her Book Link TOO
21:48:50 carolynf internet safety bill of rights link would be good too
21:48:52 LisaMLane I can't help thinking that so many of our child protection laws are misguided as it is
21:48:55 Vicki Davis Guidelines for safer school websites - http://look-both-ways.com/blogs/blog/archive/2007/06/19/968.aspx
21:49:16 Vicki Davis Tips for online safety http://look-both-ways.com/stayingsafe/stayingsafe.htm
21:49:42 LisaMLane you can't count on these laws for anything, or the CPSC -- we live in an individualistic capitalist society and must protect ourselves
21:49:45 Vicki Davis The book information - http://look-both-ways.com/about/book.htm
21:50:02 Vicki Davis But Lisa, there are no laws at all for Internet safety I think her point is right.
21:50:17 patruffing and often legislation to protect citizens ends up protecting business interests first
21:50:23 mjclausen we do need the laws to help structure the fight against bad practice
21:50:46 LisaMLane mj, I think it's the other way around: we need to clarify bad practice first
21:50:47 Vicki Davis I've never really thought about it like this.
21:50:54 mjclausen but the laws need to correct behavior, not go after the technologies
21:50:56 JenniferW WE HAVE A DOOR PRIZE TONIGHT
21:50:57 LisaMLane there are civil liberties issues here
21:50:58 Vicki Davis Yes, we need to take it from multiple areas.
21:51:03 JenniferW WE HAVE A DOOR PRIZE TONIGHT
21:51:08 JenniferW Listen for question
21:51:11 carolynf good point she's making about corporate responsibility
21:51:12 JenniferW in 10 minutes
21:51:12 CheriT ok
21:51:15 CheriT listening
21:51:16 mjclausen yes, what are the bad practices
21:51:22 Vicki Davis Right just minimum standards.
21:51:28 LisaMLane corporate responsibility derives from the demands of shareholders
21:51:41 learningismessy Trying to control "Bad Practice" has given us scripted lang arts and math programs and no art, science, social studies, etc
21:51:47 LisaMLane who will determine these minimum standards?
21:51:54 patruffing guess i won't win the door prize...must pick up my daughter at work...shucks...this is a great talk...i hate to leave
21:51:54 janices good point brian
21:51:59 Vicki Davis Linda proposed some for the UK.
21:52:03 carolynf maybe we should start a WOW2 letter writing campaign to web2.0 vendors
21:52:08 Vicki Davis Let me look for the online bill of rights.
21:52:09 carolynf use the power of the blogging world
21:52:17 carolynf to recommend they develop safety policies.
21:52:30 carolynf Just like computer users have put pressure on computer makers for recycling
21:52:33 mjclausen what are measurable outcomes for internet safety?
21:52:45 LisaMLane age verification and authentication puts more of my private information online
21:52:45 mjclausen just age?
21:52:54 LisaMLane I already have to hand over my driver's license to buy sudafed
21:53:09 learningismessy There's been talk lately in the edbloggosphere about becoming more politically active.... what do you think?
21:53:17 Durff sudafed?
21:53:21 carolynf I think we could have a strong voice
21:53:24 carolynf on an issue like this.
21:53:24 Vicki Davis The table of contents for her book is there.
21:53:28 Vicki Davis Yes, Carolyn.
21:53:29 carolynf We are EDUCATION bloggers
21:53:30 LisaMLane yes, pseudophedrine is now a controlled substance
21:53:35 Durff i thought it was over the counter
21:53:40 mjclausen yep, i have the same problem
21:53:40 carolynf I think we can ask companies to be accountable
21:53:45 LisaMLane please, please be careful before pushing for internet safety laws
21:53:47 carolynf and partner with us
21:53:52 jen_moy just read linda's blog post about safe school websites...i like the idea of a 2 tiered website
21:53:54 JenniferW DOOR PRIZE QUESTION -- 7 MINUTES
21:53:55 carolynf I'm not recommending legislating
21:54:09 carolynf I'm recommending asking vendors to develop safety policies that they publicize
21:54:12 JenniferW 2 free chaptes to read on Linda's book available too
21:54:19 LisaMLane shareholder activism is the way to create better products
21:54:38 learningismessy But can we make a difference without having a political voice? Just asking.
21:54:45 LisaMLane who's "we"?
21:54:56 carolynf Well, look at how powerful some of the political blogs, the parents groups, etc, have been ....
21:55:03 carolynf I think we can. There are enough of us now
21:55:14 Durff we is yoi
21:55:18 carolynf We're the consumers ;)
21:55:22 learningismessy Edubloggers, teachers who blog and use tech and the internet
21:55:22 Durff you are being nominated
21:55:47 LisaMLane I am a consumer, user and educator who is not in favor of legislation encouraging more restrictions online.
21:55:57 Durff down't that put the billof rights in perspective?
21:56:02 carolynf I'm not suggesting legislation
21:56:18 carolynf I'm suggesting asking companies to be responsible
21:56:24 LisaMLane Or software that blocks my freedom.
21:56:36 carolynf and post tips for safety prominently
21:57:15 LisaMLane tips are fine, two-tiered software is fine
21:57:45 jen_moy interesting way to think of ads and making money...the sites make money by giving access to you, not by giving ad space
21:57:55 cheryloakes wow2 interesting concept.
21:57:56 learningismessy I'm not sure how blogging about this helps politically and the scary thing is you're probably going to get blowback from people that don't agree with your thinking - how many of us have time to respond to that constantly
21:58:19 LisaMLane well, blogging encourages that kind of thing no matter what
21:58:38 LisaMLane I may disagree with the main thrust here, but I'll defend to the death your right to blog it! :-)
21:58:45 mjclausen lol
21:58:49 JenniferW smiles Lisa
21:58:54 Vicki Davis That is true, however, if we have a person who is well educated here that we agree with, it is important to speak out.
21:58:58 JenniferW tell why you disagree --
21:59:03 JenniferW you might not be alone
21:59:03 Vicki Davis And support those that you agree with.
21:59:21 learningismessy I left out - that I'm not against blogging about this - just wanted to point out the downside - some won't feel comfortable.
21:59:22 LisaMLane Jennifer, I have been -- check out the red. :-)
21:59:27 JenniferW grins
21:59:32 JenniferW I shall go back and read the red
21:59:35 JenniferW more carefully
21:59:37 carolynf we could write letters about it as well
21:59:37 Vicki Davis I think that we should deal with internet safety proactively suggest what should be done rather than say do nothing.
21:59:43 Vicki Davis If we know what to write.
22:00:03 LisaMLane Defending openness and freedom online isn't doing nothing, is it?
22:00:25 Vicki Davis [email protected]
22:00:29 learningismessy I agree
22:00:38 cheryloakes wow2 Here comes the question
22:00:41 patruffing who is providing the financial support for David Warlick's class blogmeister...does he sell our info?
22:00:59 maria i don't think so
22:01:04 Vicki Davis Pat -- he added advertising on it, but he doesn't sell info.
22:01:04 darrendraper I'm back. I found my favorite photo taken with an iPhone: http://flickr.com/photos/chikawatanabe/719566914
22:01:04 learningismessy David has ads on his sites
22:01:06 LisaParisi he asks for Starbucks
22:01:07 Vicki Davis google adsense
22:01:09 LisaParisi ads
22:01:11 Vicki Davis Some people donated.
22:01:13 darrendraper Sorry. What did I miss? :(
22:01:15 LisaParisi donations
22:01:22 LisaMLane LOL darren
22:01:22 darrendraper I'll check the transcript.
22:01:29 carolynf Dennis, I looked up how many photos on iphone on Google images
22:01:31 carolynf 4,310,000
22:01:44 LisaMLane gosh, carolyn, that's astonishing
22:01:50 fookurt hello all
22:01:50 Vicki Davis 1) Speak out against fearmongering (What we can do.)
22:01:50 LisaMLane the thing's only been out a week, right?
22:01:58 Jason Hando 5%
22:01:59 Vicki Davis Bad safety messaging taints all safety messaging.
22:02:00 carolynf a couple of weeks i think
22:02:09 Jason Hando oops
22:02:11 JenniferW make sur eyou send an EMAIL to [email protected]
22:02:16 patruffing wiredsafety is a great site
22:02:19 carolynf thanks jennifer.
22:02:25 LisaMLane all safety messaging is not created equal
22:02:34 fookurt are there any ap comp sci teachers in here?
22:02:47 Jason Hando fookurt - I am one of those
22:02:53 fookurt excellent!
22:02:56 mmiller Bedtime for our youngest WOW member (and her mom) We will all be back awake in a couple hours anyway but you have start somewhere :):):)
22:02:57 fookurt AB or A
22:03:11 carolynf bye M
22:03:19 cheryloakes wow2 b ye Mmiller and alyson
22:03:36 Cathy E Put the book link in - please
22:03:42 LisaParisi i'm headed off too..want to get my daughter offline
22:03:43 mmiller Great show again, I promise I will send you pic Cheryl I took another funny one tonight
22:03:47 LisaParisi bye all
22:04:00 darrendraper Bye Lisa
22:04:02 JenniferW good night Lisa
22:04:08 fookurt jason...do you teach AB or A
22:04:15 cheryloakes wow2 you need to mmiller
22:04:17 Jason Hando what is AB or A?
22:04:31 fookurt computer science'
22:04:32 maria This old lady needs to say goodnight as well.
22:04:39 carolynf Dennis, that is a cat ;)
22:04:40 cheryloakes wow2 nite maria,
22:04:40 Jason Hando I am in Australia - so maybe that is USA specific?
22:04:41 fookurt Advanced Placement
22:04:42 maria great show
22:04:49 Durff nite maria
22:04:49 fookurt ohhh
22:04:50 fookurt i see
22:04:51 maria can't wait to listen to the podcast
22:04:54 fookurt interesting
22:04:56 carolynf lost the audio
22:04:57 maria byes
22:04:57 darrendraper She's done a great job.
22:05:02 fookurt what language do you teach
22:05:20 janices Me too. I like listening again, when I can concentrate better and look at the links.
22:05:25 darrendraper Swapping to red.
22:05:25 cheryloakes wow2 podcast and chat in 2 days. at edtechtalk.com
22:05:30 LisaMLane hey! I'm red
22:05:39 carolynf i like ning
22:05:40 janices Great!
22:05:40 Jason Hando teach - php/mysql
22:05:40 darrendraper Woops. What's open?
22:05:54 mjclausen no, i'm sparticus
22:05:57 LisaMLane carolyn, why does ning not use my same profile for all the groups I'm a member of?
22:06:09 darrendraper Because it's all the ning network.
22:06:20 Jason Hando ooooh yellow no good
22:06:30 JenniferW Yello doesn't work
22:06:30 darrendraper Right.
22:06:34 LisaMLane darren, it won't let me use my same profile; I keep having to do a new one for each
22:06:35 cheryloakes wow2 darren whew, yellow
22:06:42 cheryloakes wow2 i likethe bright green
22:06:45 Vicki Davis Bullies rarely strike once.
22:06:45 mjclausen much better
22:06:58 Vicki Davis Great point about bullying.
22:07:09 Jason Hando fookurt - what progr lngs do u teach?
22:07:19 fookurt Java and Visual Basic
22:07:23 darrendraper Strange. My profile travels with me from site to site (within NING). My _page_ doesn't, but my profile does.
22:07:25 Jason Hando who here has NOT been bullied at school?
22:07:29 Vicki Davis http://look-both-ways.com/default.aspx
22:07:41 LisaMLane hmmm, darren, I must be doing something wrong
22:07:43 carolynf mine does too on ning
22:07:47 LisaMLane can your Page do it?
22:07:49 mjclausen tattling = trying to get someone in trouble; telling=protecting self and others
22:08:00 darrendraper I'm not sure.
22:08:03 LisaMLane it seems to allow such limited editing on the Page
22:08:14 janices I think we've all been bullied at some time. Childhood is hard.
22:08:22 fookurt but i am also looking into a mix of Python, Scheme, C++, and another language as a basic intro course
22:08:31 cheryloakes wow2 if you had brothers and sisters you were bullied
22:08:40 mjclausen too true cheryl
22:08:44 fookurt i am in the midst of trying to develop our Comp Sci course load a bit more
22:08:50 darrendraper Or you were the bully...
22:08:55 Jason Hando email me and we'll connect a little more fookurt
22:08:55 CheriT I'm an only child, but my dad (a big kid) was my bully :-0
22:08:57 CheriT :-)
22:09:06 Vicki Davis So we will be on next week and then back on August 21st
22:09:08 mjclausen <- older brother, lol
22:09:13 Vicki Davis We have to start back to school!
22:09:13 Jason Hando I am building a first totally online course in programming
22:09:21 Jason Hando for our school
22:09:25 learningismessy Bullying is another thing to spend time on in class - I try with my elem school students - hard to find enough time.
22:09:27 LisaMLane Jason, you using a CMS?
22:09:28 CheriT you all deserve a break!
22:09:28 janices So soon back to school!
22:09:35 Jason Hando using Moodle of course!
22:09:41 Jason Hando lol
22:09:43 CheriT Get refreshed for a new year
22:09:55 mjclausen noooooooooo
22:09:59 CheriT yeaaaaaa
22:10:06 LisaMLane of course!
22:10:06 cheryloakes wow2 thanks to all the great folks in the chat! You make our show possible
22:10:08 janices You deserve a break!
22:10:13 jen_moy back to school show with kristin hokanson:)
22:10:16 carolynf Enjoyed my first WOW2!
22:10:21 cheryloakes wow2 Aug. 21st, Back to school show!
22:10:23 mjclausen of course, that gives me time to catch up on the backlog
22:10:26 Jason Hando come back carolyn
22:10:30 JenniferW Thanks Carolyn
22:10:32 jen_moy enjoyed my first wow2 chat also
22:10:35 darrendraper You four aren't in the same room, are you?
22:10:35 LisaMLane no more shows till Aug 21?
22:10:36 jen_moy thanks so much everyone!
22:10:36 JenniferW how is the YELLOW bag doing???
22:10:39 mjclausen my too, how neta
22:10:42 cheryloakes wow2 Hiatus for WOW2 from July 18 to Aug. 20, keep in touch on twitter
22:10:42 darrendraper :)
22:10:44 mjclausen *neat
22:10:45 carolynf I'm enjoying it Jennifer :)
22:10:46 janices Great conversation
22:10:49 JenniferW good
22:10:50 carolynf was pretty excited to get it!
22:10:54 fookurt Moodle?
22:10:57 janices Thanks for a great show!
22:10:59 Jason Hando great session
22:11:01 LisaMLane thanks, everyone -- that was wild!
22:11:02 mjclausen great show and convo, thanks all!
22:11:04 cheryloakes wow2 darren do you mean the 4 wow? women?
22:11:04 darrendraper Great job.
22:11:07 Jason Hando http://www.moodle.org
22:11:09 darrendraper Yes.
22:11:12 Cathy E Wonderful- I am ordering the book now
22:11:18 LisaMLane I love Moodle!
22:11:21 darrendraper You're not all physically in the same room, are you?
22:11:22 Jason Hando activists? is that me > no way!
22:11:28 cheryloakes wow2 no, Jen, CA, Sharon is in Boston at Alan November, Vicki, in VA, cheryl in ME.
22:11:29 carolynf have to go and teach skype ...bye
22:11:40 LisaMLane I think I was an anti-activist for the first time ever tonight
22:11:41 darrendraper Should be WAMOW.
22:11:43 darrendraper :)
22:11:44 cheryloakes wow2 we only met in NECC.
22:11:47 Jason Hando bye carolyn
22:11:47 janices Brian, I thought you were at Alan November.
22:11:56 JenniferW Daren -- what is wh WAMOW??
22:12:02 JenniferW Brian is in PA
22:12:04 JenniferW right??
22:12:19 Jason Hando women allow men off work?
22:12:21 darrendraper Women and Men of Web. I'm ok with Wow.
22:12:24 learningismessy I'm on vacation in PA - Virginia tomorrow
22:12:25 JenniferW LOL
22:12:28 darrendraper That works, Jason.
22:12:33 jen_moy good night everyone
22:12:38 JenniferW Dareen -- you want to buy the website??
22:12:41 JenniferW LOL
22:12:43 janices Haven't been following the twitter the last few days. Too distracting at work.
22:12:52 cheryloakes wow2 you are right, women and men. But we are here to provide an opportunity for the voice of women and men
22:12:55 darrendraper Steve does that the best. He's got the bucks.
22:12:56 LisaMLane I'm off to shop -- see you all!
22:12:57 janices Have a great vacation@
22:12:58 JenniferW we did have WOW and BOW (Boys of Web)
22:12:59 darrendraper Hargadon.
22:13:06 JenniferW but it was too easy to go BOW WOW
22:13:07 darrendraper Bow Wow.
22:13:09 darrendraper I like it.
22:13:10 JenniferW yep
22:13:13 CheriT as long as it's not bow wow
22:13:20 cheryloakes wow2 bye to some of you.
22:13:21 JenniferW LOLOL
22:13:21 CheriT ya'll beat me
22:13:24 JenniferW yep
22:13:29 darrendraper Fast crowd.
22:13:39 CheriT i'm still over in sl too
22:13:42 JenniferW but we are BOTH GENDERS in our group
22:13:53 CheriT need to monitors, but hard to fit on my lap :-)
22:13:53 JenniferW Cheri -- I was able to grab the chat
22:13:58 CheriT good
22:13:59 JenniferW LOLOL
22:14:02 darrendraper You are sooo good. I couldn't jump back and forth, Cheri.
22:14:05 CheriT i need to find the book and read it
22:14:07 Vicki Davis http://stopcyberbullying.ning.com
22:14:07 learningismessy Vicki - And that scares teachers out of even trying
22:14:13 Jason Hando MWNI = men with no idea
22:14:18 CheriT thanks, darren
22:14:21 darrendraper Cheri, are you Mooka?
22:14:24 CheriT i missed a bunch
22:14:25 Vicki Davis 987--7356-2347-7
22:14:25 CheriT no
22:14:32 CheriT what's mooka
22:14:42 darrendraper I'm thr33. Were you at the book chat?
22:14:42 Vicki Davis 0-7356-2347-3
22:15:00 CheriT I was - etdoc sungsoo
22:15:02 cheryloakes wow2 Please write a review of Linda's book at Amazon, that would be helpful
22:15:22 darrendraper We'll have to be friends. :)
22:15:34 Vicki Davis http://www.amazon.com/Look-Both-Ways-Protect-Internet/dp/0735623473/ref=...
22:15:42 janices Souns like a good approach
22:15:49 janices I want to read it
22:15:50 CheriT don't go ....
22:16:01 CheriT bye....
22:16:11 JenniferW Good night all
22:16:18 cheryloakes wow2 good night all.
22:16:20 janices Good night
22:16:23 CheriT night
22:16:24 Jason Hando goodnight - thanks for another session
22:16:29 janices nice to hear you all.
22:16:34 Jason Hando your worth your weight in gold
22:16:40 darrendraper I don't know how you do it all, Vicki.
22:16:47 learningismessy Good night all - great show!!!
22:16:49 CheriT I agree, darren
22:17:00 CheriT they really are amazing!
22:17:06 cheryloakes wow2 hey darren what about me?
22:17:12 CheriT :-)
22:17:17 darrendraper You, too, Cheryl.
22:17:18 darrendraper :)
22:17:24 darrendraper And Spud.
22:17:26 cheryloakes wow2 night. have fun in SL
22:17:35 CheriT it's over, over there too
22:17:45 darrendraper Vicki, did we decide to chat tonight or Thursday?
22:17:59 darrendraper I'm thinking Steve wanted to Thursday.
22:19:15 CheriT alice, you're in both still too
22:19:22 CheriT we're a bunch of multitaskers
22:19:37 darrendraper See you, ladies. This has been a lot of fun.
22:22:14 carolynf I liked having the live streaming and the chat. addictive ;)
22:23:59 Vicki Davis Darren -- I'm not sure, I don't think it was tonight, but Thursday.
22:24:06 Vicki Davis Still haven't heard from Jlulie.
22:24:11 Vicki Davis Thank you everyone it was a great chat!
22:24:24 Vicki Davis Just e-mail me offline Darren, I'm calling it the end of a very long day!
22:24:40 carolynf bye :) again