Teachers Teaching Teachers #156 - 06.17.09 - (2 of 3) Teaching the New Writing - Glen, Jeff, and Paul talk about collaboration
Glen Bledsoe, Jeff Schwartz, and Paul Allison are interviewed by Kevin Hodgson on this podcast. We talked about collaboration and the tools we use to collaborate in the classroom.
Here’s how the National Writing Project described what we would be talking about on this show.
As educators move forward into the terrain of digital literacy and learning with their students, part of the challenge is balancing the innovation of new technology with the accountability of assessment.
The recently published book Teaching the New Writing: Technology, Change, and Assessment in the 21st-Century Classroom explores these balancing acts through case studies of elementary through university-level classrooms where teachers are integrating technology with writing and where the assessment of the digital work and student learning is being explored.
Chapter authors Paul Allison, a high school teacher, technology liaison at the New York City Writing Project, and facilitator of TTT; Glen Bledsoe, an elementary teacher and teacher consultant at the Oregon Writing Project at the University of Oregon; and Jeff Schwartz, high school teacher and member of the Bread Loaf Teachers Network, will share examples of their classroom practices to prompt a discussion about the collaborative nature of writing when using technology in the classroom.
Please enjoy the podcast, and add a comment with your story about how writing is changing in your classroom.
This podcast is the second of three Teachers Teaching Teachers shows this month that focused on this book. On TTT#155 (June 10) we interviewed the editors of this book. On TTT#157 (June 24), we had various authors from the different chapters of Teaching the New Writing on the show.
Click Read more to see a transcript of a chat that was happening during the webcast.
17:32:25 Christina: hi Jeff!
17:47:41 jschwartz: I see. Here I am in the margin.
20:03:30 mary: Hi Everyone:D
20:35:45 Kevin Hodgson: Hi
20:35:53 jdina: hi
20:36:21 Dave from SNHU: Hello
20:36:28 Kevin Hodgson: If you are here for Teachers Teaching Teachers, welcome ..
20:36:40 Karen: Hi, thanks for the welcome, Kevin
20:36:57 Kevin Hodgson: Are any of you National Writing Project folks? And where from?
20:36:58 Dave from SNHU: I'm actually in an EdTech course at SNHU (in Manchester NH) talking about technology integration.
20:36:58 marabney: hello
20:37:07 jdina: I'm in that ed class too
20:37:07 Dave from SNHU: Have you up on the big screen at the moment...
20:37:20 Kevin Hodgson: Neat
20:37:33 Kevin Hodgson: I'm south of you, in Massachusetts
20:38:05 Dave from SNHU: are you streaming any audio at the moment?
20:38:12 Dave from SNHU: pre-show banter :-)
20:38:21 Kevin Hodgson: No -- the show won't begin until 9 p.m.
20:38:36 Dave from SNHU: What is the topic tonight?
20:39:00 SusanEttenheim: hi everyone!
20:39:04 Kevin Hodgson: We're talking about collaboration in a classroom with tech and writing
20:39:16 SusanEttenheim: wow
20:39:21 Kevin Hodgson: The guests are chapters writers from our new book Teaching the New Writing
20:40:21 Kevin Hodgson: http://store.tcpress.com/0807749648.shtml link to book
20:40:23 Dave from SNHU: Cool. Class only goes until 9, but I'm showing off worldbridges/ett and wasn't sure if maybe you would be streaming audio early.
20:40:32 Jenny B: Hi Kevin
20:40:36 Kevin Hodgson: Sorry
20:40:40 Kevin Hodgson: Hi Jen!
20:40:56 glenbledsoe: I am here.
20:41:21 Kevin Hodgson: Hi Glen (Glen will be one of the guests tonight)
20:41:29 glenbledsoe: Hullo.
20:41:48 glenbledsoe: I'm not sure if I can think with headphones on.
20:41:48 Jenny B: Not finished with the book yet, but I'm enjoying it and have already recommended it to West TN WP
20:42:07 ElyseEA: Hi everyone
20:42:08 Kevin Hodgson: Thanks Jen
20:42:12 Kevin Hodgson: Hi Elyse
20:42:59 Kevin Hodgson: Elyse, will you join us on Skype? Are you feeling better?
20:43:21 ElyseEA: I can -- right now I'm logged in as "ElyseandCarl"
20:43:54 ElyseEA: I'll log out and log back in as Elyse Eidman-Aadahl
20:45:23 mary: Hi everone
20:46:27 ElyseEA: Never mind...I have to log in as elyseandcarl
20:47:10 Robin: NWP-Teachers teaching techers??
20:47:11 tfcohn: Hi everyone!
20:47:26 ElyseEA: Hi Robin, yes, that's right
20:49:47 SusanEttenheim: hi everyone welcome!
20:49:54 Woody: hi susan
20:50:34 ElyseEA: Hi Susan, I have skype open at elyseandcarl if you want to bring me in at any point. Otherwise, i'm in the chat room.
20:52:13 SusanEttenheim: ok elyse I'll call you in a sec
20:52:20 Woody: are you streaming ?
20:52:37 ElyseEA: I don't think they're streaming yet
20:52:58 Robin: First time tuning in on this network From TLN, do I need to do anything with the stream status on the right of my screen
20:53:26 Paul Allison: Hi all.
20:53:32 SusanEttenheim: elyse - skype said failed user not online
20:53:42 Paul Allison: Welcome
20:53:49 ElyseEA: I just answered you..so it worked on my end
20:53:56 Woody: hi paul
20:54:07 Jenny B: hello paul
20:54:23 tfcohn: first time user, how do I connect to stream?
20:54:35 Jenny B: ditoo
20:54:43 Jenny B: ditto
20:54:54 ElyseEA: Click on the sound icon over on the right and it should open in itunes
20:55:12 Jenny B: did that
20:55:27 Robin: I show edtech A and B which to choose?
20:55:48 ElyseEA: They may not be streaming yet, though...starting at the hour...
20:56:13 SusanEttenheim: ok trying to call you again
20:56:15 SusanEttenheim: elyse
20:56:23 Woody: nice to hear your voices
20:56:25 SusanEttenheim: nope says user not online
20:56:37 Jenny B: cool, I tried A, Robin
20:56:38 Woody: lol lol
20:56:38 ElyseEA: calling "elyseandcarl"
20:56:46 SusanEttenheim: yes
20:58:38 ElyseEA: @susan reopened skype
21:00:11 ElyseEA: Sorry everyone...don't know why it's not working for my skype
21:00:39 Paul Allison: We will start in just a second.
21:00:48 Paul Allison: http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/events/420
21:00:50 SusanEttenheim: don't worry everyone just quit the broadcast -we'll be right back'
21:00:57 Paul Allison: Welcome All.
21:01:04 Paul Allison: Collaboration
21:01:11 Paul Allison: That's our topic.
21:01:13 SusanEttenheim: no prob! we'll get it!
21:01:16 ElyseEA: @ Susan...I have skype set to allow calls from anyone....
21:03:15 Paul Allison: Welcome all.
21:03:19 ElyseEA: Hi everyone, don't worry. Broadcast will start soon.
21:03:29 brew7vwp: hello
21:03:32 Paul Allison: We'll be up in a second.
21:03:37 Paul Allison: Did you get the book yet?
21:03:49 tfcohn: YES!!! It's awesome!
21:04:05 brew7vwp: I've read it, lots of great stuff
21:04:25 fred_haas: I actually snared a copy from my curriculum director. He just happened to have one. Just started reading it.
21:04:35 Larry Neuburger: Got it two months ago, but haven't been able to read it yet
21:04:55 Karen LaBonte: I thought it was excellent.
21:05:07 Karen LaBonte: (thanks!)
21:05:25 fred_haas: Audio on
21:05:26 SusanEttenheim: ok hi everyone
21:05:28 jvirant: Sounds good--audio coming through
21:05:32 SusanEttenheim: can you hear us now?
21:05:34 tfcohn: still can't hear
21:05:37 ElyseEA: Sounds great
21:05:39 Karen LaBonte: no sound
21:05:43 SusanEttenheim: I havent' had a second to welcome everyone!
21:05:50 SusanEttenheim: busty getting set up!
21:05:53 fred_haas: Close and reopen the stream
21:05:57 SusanEttenheim: elyse we'll keep trying!
21:06:00 brew7vwp: Stream A is up
21:06:06 tfcohn: I can hear now
21:06:13 ElyseEA: No problem...if it works great; if not, I'll be in the chat
21:06:15 SusanEttenheim: yes click on edtechtalk A to listen
21:06:43 SusanEttenheim: can everyone hear? does anyone need help hearing today?
21:07:08 SusanEttenheim: wow we have about 25 people here!
21:07:09 DBragg: I can here
21:07:14 JSheehey: Sounds great...
21:07:17 DBragg: oops hear
21:07:18 christina: http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/events/420
21:07:31 SusanEttenheim: would you all --- please introduce yourself! where and what do you teach?
21:07:45 Paul Allison: http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/books/teachingnewwriting
21:07:55 Paul Allison: http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/nwp_au/1096
21:07:59 christina: I'm Christina and I work with the National Writing Project
21:08:02 tfcohn: Teralyn Cohn from SCKWP tech Liaison teach English to 10th & 12th in paperless classroom
21:08:13 christina: Hi Teri!
21:08:20 JSheehey: Joyce Sheehey, from Vermont, high school English/Humanities
21:08:23 ElyseEA: I'm Elyse Eidman-Aadahl. I work at tyhe NWP.
21:08:36 brew7vwp: Michael Brewster, English teacher near Syracuse... Tech Liaison with Seven Valleys WP out of SUNY Cortland
21:08:42 DBragg: Donna Bragg, Family & Consumer Science teacher in Allentown, PA and PSU- Lehigh Valley Writing Project Tech Liaison
21:08:44 fred_haas: high school English teacher in Hopkinton, MA & Tech Liaison Boston Writing Project
21:08:58 Terry: Frances Terry.. I'm a distance learning HS science teacher in Central Arkansas
21:09:03 Jenny B: Jenny Brandon, West TN WP Tech Liaison, 2nd grade teacher Ripley Primary School, rural West TN
21:09:04 betsy: Betsy Woods--Ohio Writing Project. HS English teacher
21:09:15 carolteach4: finally have audio
21:09:28 sarah H: Sarah Hanawald, I teach 6th graders
21:09:33 christina: wow, hello everyone!
21:09:50 Robin: Indiana Writing Project- TL; Teacher-Librarian at HS
21:09:59 jvirant: Joe Virant, Katy ISD, Houston TX area. Technology Integration Specialist K-12
21:10:00 Jenny B: wow
21:10:15 Larry Neuburger: Larry Neuburger writing teacher, tech liaison Ozarks Writing Project
21:10:18 Robin: Currently runn
21:10:30 ElyseEA: Great group in the chat room! So glad you all could join in.
21:10:46 Robin: ing a Young Writers' Camp for hs in my library
21:11:25 SusanEttenheim: hi bjdavies welcome
21:11:38 SusanEttenheim: please introduce yourself where and what do you teach?
21:11:41 SusanEttenheim: hi matt!
21:11:54 matt montagne: hey all
21:12:01 SusanEttenheim: hi osuteach welcome - please tell us where and what do you teach?
21:12:04 bjdavies: Hi - saw link in Twitter - I work with staff at UTAS to embed Web Technologies in their teaching
21:12:13 gail: I teach kindergarten children in Southampton with Kevin
21:12:19 SusanEttenheim: bjdavies what is utas?
21:12:28 Karen LaBonte: Hi, I teach at preservice teachers at Teachers College & do whatever I can with high school kids.
21:12:30 SusanEttenheim: welcome gail!
21:12:37 bjdavies: sorry ... University of Tasmania, Australia
21:12:41 osuteach: I teach fifth grade in ohio
21:12:47 SusanEttenheim: hi monk51295 welcome what and where do you teach?
21:12:54 Paul Allison: What's the difference between collaboration and co-conconstruction?
21:12:55 SusanEttenheim: ahh well, welcome!
21:13:34 kcparsons: Director of Curriuclum and Instructionl Camden, NC
21:13:48 ElyseEA: Co-construction strikes me as a stronger vision of co-authorship
21:13:53 SusanEttenheim: welcome kcparsons!
21:14:25 Pat: Pat Mumford, NWP staff, 30-teaching veteran, elementary, frosh comp.
21:14:27 SusanEttenheim: we'd like to call people into the conversation tonight in a little while so you'll just need to tell me your skype name and turn off the stream when I call you!
21:14:30 Jenny B: I loved this article!
21:14:52 SusanEttenheim: hi michelle welcome! where and what do you teach?
21:14:57 DBragg: @Karen LaBonte I grad from TC in 1998
21:15:36 gail: Claymation along with song writing
21:15:46 Karen LaBonte: @DBragg-- a touch before I started.
21:15:48 SusanEttenheim: hi msartin and altteacher where and what do you teach? welcome!
21:15:58 tfcohn: Glen's chapter helped back up my TRIP Monday for SCKWP
21:16:00 Woody: I explain a chaotic classroom an example of dynamic learning experience
21:16:02 brew7vwp: learning is messy, I'm wary of silent rows unless the kids are all reading books
21:16:23 SusanEttenheim: hi mrsiewert welcome
21:16:27 Karen LaBonte: @DBragg where are you teaching now?
21:16:30 SusanEttenheim: what and where do you teach?
21:16:35 DBragg: Allentown, PA
21:17:04 mrsiewert: English to seniors at Chaminade College Prep in St. Louis, MO
21:17:24 SusanEttenheim: welcome mrsiewert
21:17:29 SusanEttenheim: oops
21:17:43 SusanEttenheim: wow if we had all these schools in youthvoices.net it would be great!
21:17:47 Paul Allison: I think Glen's class sounds like a master-studio environment. He shares the curriculum with his students, but... there's a sense that he's Andy Warhol-like runnung a studio for the students.
21:18:16 Karen LaBonte: That's a great rule-- only say it once.
21:18:26 tfcohn: Luckily 4th graders aren't jaded with technology like my seniors.
21:19:23 tfcohn: Ugh! the dreaded comment on writing.
21:19:29 Jenny B: I like the idea of the teacher blending the ideas - very helpful as a model for 2nd graders
21:19:34 Paul Allison: "jaded with technology" How?
21:20:21 Jenny B: revision is tough for EVERYONE!
21:20:33 tfcohn: They only accept what they know and aren't open to the unfamiliar like wikis and blogs. Downloaded music and games is what they know.
21:20:48 brew7vwp: like the dentist, revision is good for you
21:21:10 Jenny B: They need to start a wiki or blog about their downloaded music and games!
21:21:16 ElyseEA: Like the dentist? :D
21:21:18 SusanEttenheim: and tfcohn worse than that they get really defensive about learning something new on the computer, right?
21:21:27 tfcohn: YUP!!
21:21:38 SusanEttenheim: exactly jenny - that's why now I start with music and making a mix
21:21:46 SusanEttenheim: and make it all about identity
21:21:54 Jenny B: coolio
21:21:57 SusanEttenheim: who are you? how do you express yourself?
21:22:05 tfcohn: I do something similar to Glen with intro and conclusion for a horror film/story comparison paper.
21:22:09 SusanEttenheim: once they learn one new thing they relax a little
21:22:16 brew7vwp: serve their egos, crack the door open a bit
21:22:26 SusanEttenheim: that sounds like fun tfcohn
21:22:35 tfcohn: I have the seniors create a soundtrack of their life that works well.
21:22:42 SusanEttenheim: yes brew7
21:22:43 ElyseEA: Yes, I've seen that in older students ... as a former HS teacher. Some of them also give a sense that tech is "theirs" and not something to be appropriated by school
21:22:47 SusanEttenheim: where and what do you teach?
21:22:56 Jenny B: they're all tweeting for a reason- self-expression?
21:23:01 SusanEttenheim: yes elyse
21:23:25 SusanEttenheim: tfcohn how do you do the soundtrack?
21:23:34 brew7vwp: I don't know any kids who tweet, they just myspace/facebook
21:23:43 ElyseEA: I wish I knew why I was tweeting! (sometimes I wonder...)
21:23:44 Karen LaBonte: and text
21:23:54 tfcohn: They pick 6 songs and connect the lyrics to events of their life. Got it from a SCKWP teacher.
21:24:09 tfcohn: They write and compile a mix CD
21:24:11 Jenny B: my daughter and her friends tweet in TN
21:24:30 Jenny B: Personally, I don't tweet, I follow
21:24:31 SusanEttenheim: where does the writing come into the mixing?
21:24:37 tfcohn: JennyB you have kids who tweet? Mine just use Fbook an texting.
21:24:45 carolteach4: I once heard Bob Sprankle express a wish that his lab become like an Apple Store with kids a different stations engaged in learning new things. This sounds like his studio.
21:24:54 carolteach4: at
21:24:59 Karen LaBonte: tfcohn, do they write any narrative stuff to acompany their mix?
21:24:59 Jenny B: my daughter is 18
21:25:01 SusanEttenheim: yes carol i heard that too!
21:25:07 osuteach: I saw someone talking about claymation???
21:25:14 tfcohn: SusanE the students write "liner notes" that explain how the song represents events in their lives.
21:25:39 Jenny B: didn't Kevin say he was doing claymation?
21:25:42 SusanEttenheim: and where does that writing appear?
21:25:54 JSheehey: Could you post some directions/advice about this, tfcohn?
21:25:55 SusanEttenheim: welcome terry and kcparsons
21:25:58 osuteach: Is Kevin doing a camp??
21:25:59 DBragg: Yes Kevin does/ is doing claymations
21:26:00 SusanEttenheim: where and what do you teach?
21:26:04 ElyseEA: Kevin does do a lot of claymation. You can see some of their work online, I'm sure.
21:26:10 SusanEttenheim: hi drezac welcome!
21:26:11 gail: @Jenny B yes Kevin does claymation quite a bit
21:26:13 christina: Kevin does claymation in his classroom with his students ... I'll try to find some examples and post them.
21:26:19 tfcohn: In the CD cover or as a separate paper. I'll get clearance from the teacher and post to sckwp.wikispaces.com/publications.
21:26:30 ElyseEA: Yes, with his students. We'll try to find some links for you
21:26:39 osuteach: I am having a tech camp next week....
21:26:58 osuteach: The topic is making a commercial using claymation for grades 6-9
21:26:59 SusanEttenheim: ah thanks tfcohn and how long do you work on that?
21:27:08 JSheehey: Thanks, tfcohn! I'm getting inspired for next year...
21:27:18 SusanEttenheim: osuteach what will you be doing in your camp?
21:27:21 tfcohn: Students use the first week of school we are on block schedule.
21:27:29 Jenny B: I've seen a couple of Kevin's students things on his blog. I need to look for more
21:27:35 SusanEttenheim: you do it all in one week?
21:27:43 tfcohn: I try to be flexible with this first project.
21:27:59 osuteach: I am directing it....making sure thinks run smoothly:?
21:28:05 SusanEttenheim: It takes me at least a week to just show them how to make the mix
21:28:08 tfcohn: I agree with the multimedia approach being mentioned with our students.
21:28:10 SusanEttenheim: how do you do it?
21:28:14 ElyseEA: Kevin's blogging about the claymation camp: http://dogtrax.edublogs.org/tag/claymation/
21:28:28 SusanEttenheim: thank you elyse!
21:28:38 SusanEttenheim: osuteach what grades? how long?
21:28:46 tfcohn: SusanE send me an email at [email protected] and I'll forward the lesson plan
21:28:51 christina: some other claymation examples: http://www.sofakingsrock.com/Norris/clay2008.htm
21:28:57 Jenny B: THANKS
21:29:15 osuteach: Thanks so much for the websites....
21:29:32 SusanEttenheim: i will - thank you!
21:29:34 Jenny B: teralyn, me too!
21:29:57 SusanEttenheim: jenny b where and what do you teach?
21:30:50 SusanEttenheim: what do you all do with poetry?
21:31:03 tfcohn: Billy Collins is going to be our keynote speaker at our KATE Annual Meeting in October.
21:31:06 SusanEttenheim: how does this compare with what you are doing?
21:31:12 ElyseEA: Poetry 180 is an excellent collection. Also, check out the Poem in Your Pocket collection. Http://poets.org
21:31:13 glenbledsoe: http://homepage.mac.com/glenbledsoe/cdw/
21:31:27 Jenny B: West Tennessee, 2nd grade
21:31:40 betsy: Jeff--What program do you use for your podcasts? Audacity? What about for the poetry project?
21:31:45 tfcohn: I focus on analysis since I teach honors 10th and seniors, with students also composing their own poetry.
21:31:52 SusanEttenheim: ahh great jenny b - what a nice age!
21:32:17 tfcohn: Flip cameras kick butt for kids!
21:32:29 drezac: We just got 10 of em
21:32:35 SusanEttenheim: how do you use your fllip cameras?
21:32:36 osuteach: I've had a lot of issues with the flip at school??
21:32:42 tfcohn: I only have 1 regretably. But I have 3 digital camcorders
21:32:49 SusanEttenheim: drezac - how do you use them?
21:32:51 brew7vwp: I used to teach a video class, we didn't interpret poetry, but made music videos w/o bands or lipsynching, similar
21:33:07 drezac: They haven't been taken out of the box- just got em.
21:33:09 Jenny B: I've heard great things about Flips. Work with mac?
21:33:12 tfcohn: A music video for a poem perhaps?
21:33:14 Larry Neuburger: We're using flip cameras for our Digital Storytelling Advanced Institute
21:33:15 brew7vwp: yes jenny
21:33:20 ElyseEA: Work well with macs, yes
21:33:21 SusanEttenheim: yes jenny
21:33:23 fred_haas: I have been carrying a flip around with me now for about 3 or 4 months
21:33:36 SusanEttenheim: what do you do with it fred?
21:33:47 carolteach4: I love my VadoHD. It's always there for me in my purse. Wish I had more for school.
21:33:48 tfcohn: Even my husband has mastered the flip and he is techno challenged
21:33:54 brew7vwp: even the generic Walmart Jazz cams work with Mac if you update QT codecs
21:33:58 drezac: I used math poetry with video, but I've had to use still images
21:34:02 Karen LaBonte: how do you work on video editing?
21:34:08 osuteach: I have found you can only use the video with with flip software. Does anyone else know different?
21:34:09 Karen LaBonte: in school?
21:34:16 brew7vwp: iMovie
21:34:20 fred_haas: Recently had kids use them to make 2 min. videos for a Net Gen Ed Project
21:34:25 Karen LaBonte: how about for PCs?
21:34:35 ElyseEA: The new flips load directly into iMovie nicely
21:34:44 Karen LaBonte: Thanks, Elyse!
21:34:45 DBragg: I use MovieMaker on the PC
21:34:55 fred_haas: Flip camera come with a simple editing software pre-loaded on the camera
21:34:56 SusanEttenheim: ahh and drezac what does a math video look like?
21:34:57 brew7vwp: our school is dumping Windows for Mac OS X
21:35:02 tfcohn: Flip Video camera has its own software Camcorders are limited to Moviemaker
21:35:09 Jenny B: (Jenny's gone to Best Buy for some Flips)
21:35:11 drezac: I use iMovie
21:35:27 SusanEttenheim: hi larry welcome
21:35:29 Larry Neuburger: oops
21:35:30 tfcohn: I need to write a grant for macs
21:35:31 SusanEttenheim: lol jenny
21:35:54 DBragg: @Larry how long is your DS advanced institute?
21:35:56 SusanEttenheim: everyone - just jump in with your comments please! and questions!
21:35:58 tfcohn: Video for composition, nice
21:36:06 Paul Allison: Thinking about collaboration... and these video projects seem like the kind of collaboration that happens on the set of a movie. I'm wondering if students get to be the director enough -- in many video projects (not Jeff's or Glen's).
21:36:11 Larry Neuburger: Been here and listening and watching
21:36:13 Karen LaBonte: Anybody do much with VoiceThread?
21:36:31 brew7vwp: the idea in the book of "multimodal composition" covers exactly this idea
21:36:31 Jenny B: I make music videos with my 7-8-year olds - tons of fun
21:36:31 carolteach4: A student shared a free video conversion site with me. It looks to have even more features than zamzar. http://media-convert.com/
21:36:34 tfcohn: NO, but I plan to this year. Peer editing/feedback
21:36:59 JSheehey: I team-taught a class this spring called "Lights, Camera, Activism," so this current discussion is affirming.
21:37:05 Jenny B: zamzar is terrific - use it all the time
21:37:06 osuteach: I use zamzar a lot! Easy to use:D
21:37:29 SusanEttenheim: I love voicethread
21:37:30 brew7vwp: there is no good video without writing the script
21:37:33 ElyseEA: I think that everyone brings so much knowledge from film, a sense of how film works, so that they can reach for certain expressive goals. Then, if that can be bridged into the techniques that you would use in text-based composing.
21:37:42 Karen LaBonte: Maybe we need to start talking about "composing" and not simply "writing"
21:37:43 SusanEttenheim: what did you do in lights camera activism
21:37:45 SusanEttenheim: ?
21:37:52 Terry: Media-convert.com is good but it has certainly upped the number of adds on the site in the last year....
21:37:57 michelle: @jsheehey: cool! please say more!
21:38:06 ElyseEA: yes, composing...
21:38:07 fred_haas: Has anyone seen http://www.bcactionpoet.org/ a bunch of videos for Billy Collins poems? There are some pretty impressive realizations. Love "Walking Across the Atlantic"
21:38:29 Jenny B: I haven't started using voicethread yet, but I like the idea for my students better than podcasting because it's a smaller chunk of speaking/writing
21:38:37 JSheehey: Students chose topics of interest, did the research, interviewing, writing the script, filming, and (hardest of all) EDITING!. Big premiere at a local college.
21:38:41 Larry Neuburger: we just bought 23 flip cameras for $59
21:38:42 fred_haas: @Karen - I like "composing" a whole lot better myself
21:38:51 Larry Neuburger: each
21:39:02 ElyseEA: Billy Collins animated poetry is excellent. We're posting some of it in the NWP Book groups Ning during a current poetry discussion (http://nwpbookgroups.ning.com)
21:39:03 SusanEttenheim: where larry????
21:39:04 osuteach: were did you get them for $59?
21:39:08 tfcohn: LarryN where did you get them?
21:39:12 Jenny B: HEY! WILL THIS CHAT BE ACCESSIBLE LATER?
21:39:13 Karen LaBonte: @Larry I was just going to ask where you got that deal-- 10 for $59 LOL
21:39:25 brew7vwp: amazon had them for $59 on sale
21:39:28 Larry Neuburger: Missouri State Book Store. I worked em pretty hard
21:39:30 SusanEttenheim: yes jenny
21:39:33 ElyseEA: Yes, chat is archived and accessible later...as is the audio via podcast
21:39:40 brew7vwp: 30-min Flip
21:39:48 michelle: @jsheehey: thanks. What grade(s)? What was best part?
21:39:51 tfcohn: 30 min flip, that explains it
21:40:16 SusanEttenheim: lol larry could we all do that too?
21:40:26 tfcohn: I used google docs for collaborative digital writing in SI Monday. Went well
21:40:33 Karen LaBonte: Heck, maybe we could give Larry commission if he did it for all of us
21:40:42 Larry Neuburger: The sales lady was crying when I left
21:40:54 matt montagne: Paul- you hit the nail on the head...in every way, we should replicate the model that we see in our visual and performing arts classes to our other content area classes
21:41:00 SusanEttenheim: so larry - her name pls ;)
21:41:10 carolteach4: That is sooo true. It's hard to do the studio when academic classes are so content driven.
21:41:17 JSheehey: Grades 11, 12. Best part ("Lights, Camera, Activism") was when parents asked them to talk about the hardest parts for them... you could see the learning...
21:41:21 Larry Neuburger: Deborah is all I know
21:41:30 ElyseEA: There's a great Ken Macrorie book called 20 teachers (I think) that looks at great teachers creating this 'studio atmosphere" across many different content areas. Oldie but goodie.
21:41:35 brew7vwp: write the content... compose the content
21:41:45 carolteach4: Love that studio atmosphere.
21:41:51 matt montagne: visual/performing arts focus on real work, multi-sensory learning, multi media, multi disciplinary, project based, integrated math, etc...
21:42:19 Larry Neuburger: I agree Matt
21:42:23 osuteach: anyone use e-pals this school year?
21:42:26 ElyseEA: It's also the atmosphere of the journalism class/newspaper production
21:42:29 brew7vwp: it's not about studio affording less learing, it's inviting more engagement
21:42:32 matt montagne: visual and performing arts have also led the way in authentic assessment for years...they have long used authentic portfolios
21:42:45 SusanEttenheim: I like that journalism image!
21:43:00 Karen LaBonte: and the studio atmosphere helps shift the role of the teacher, too.
21:43:06 matt montagne: design thinking should be at the front and center of our schools, not relagated to the corner room in the basement
21:43:15 tfcohn: Amen Matt
21:43:17 brew7vwp: ^5 matt
21:43:37 ElyseEA: One of the things that journalism structures is tremendous collaboration because the product you are making requires collaboration to produce; drama is similar. No one puts on a play alone. Deeply collaborative.
21:44:06 tfcohn: I try to include group collaborative project options with every unit I teach.
21:44:10 michelle: Elyse, yes; I'd add studio is also about owning the process and product
21:44:39 Karen LaBonte: @tfcohn do the kids also have the option to work alone?
21:44:52 brew7vwp: that's like an A/V style script
21:44:54 matt montagne: some kids are pretty good at shootin' from the hip with their movies...they can just "see" things
21:44:59 carolteach4: This would be great instead of a lab, but the infrastructure has to work.The wireless has to work. There have to be lots of outlets for kids to plug in. Teachers in my school get very frustrated with COW and would rather use the lab because the computers are more stable. I personally would have liked a different set up, but no one consulted me when the architects were setting up the classrooms.
21:45:03 tfcohn: Yes, sometimes, that's the problem because certain individuals don't work in groups until I force them.
21:45:08 JSheehey: How do teachers manage one or two kids taking the control in collaborative projects?
21:45:09 ElyseEA: @michelle Yes, agree. Also creates a context for learning real self-management skills. You need to manage yourself because you're not always 'being managed"
21:45:20 matt montagne: I suppose there always have been kids that have been good at shootin' from the hip with 2D paper/pencil writing as well...
21:45:48 matt montagne: Do new learning differences emerge as we move to a different medium for writing??
21:45:54 Karen LaBonte: @matt Yes. Makes you wonder how we "teach" those kids.
21:46:02 brew7vwp: @jsheehey, my version is the kids who allow others to do all the work
21:46:06 Karen LaBonte: (the hip-shooters, I mean)
21:46:30 matt montagne: @Karen...yep, I follow you...it does make you wonder
21:46:42 tfcohn: In my classroom, the computers line the walls, plus I have an overview software.
21:46:47 JSheehey: Right, brew7vwp, that too..
21:46:49 Larry Neuburger: he students who hate computers seem to be few and far between
21:46:52 tfcohn: I have the same issue with sneaker shopping Paul!
21:47:24 ElyseEA: I hope no one is sneaker shopping while listening to TTT:D
21:47:25 carolteach4: I couldn't rearrange my lab if I wanted to - tables line walls and an inside H
21:47:38 kcparsons: Working to develop research projects using Jamie McKenize's Research Cycle Modules. Has anyone used these in there classrooms?
21:47:49 fred_haas: Kids with improvisation skills with a pencil or camera just need more emphasis on the next phase revision/editing to put all the disparate pieces together
21:48:13 ElyseEA: @kcparsons talk more about research cycle modules
21:48:19 carolteach4: Actually, it's not too bad. The kids do well. Recording does become a problem -hard to find a quiet time.
21:48:55 kcparsons: Based on the Big 6 Method and WebQuest
21:49:16 ElyseEA: @kcparsons Ah...yes, thanks.
21:49:30 tfcohn: Blackboard Discussion Board was great for collaborative discussion.
21:49:46 Karen LaBonte: Collaboration via conversation vs. collaboration to create/produce something?
21:49:52 Woody: Collaboration is great for really small or isolated sites to have students learn about other cultures, etc.
21:49:57 carolteach4: Kids using Google docs did lots of cocreation in creating scripts as a project to accompany their non-fiction reading books read in small groups.
21:50:07 kcparsons: Deals with Breaking the Research Project into steps.. Questioning, planning, sorting/sifting, et. al
21:50:12 Larry Neuburger: The great thing about the internet is students can even collaborate across states
21:50:28 fred_haas: @Larry across the globe!
21:50:29 ElyseEA: globally
21:50:34 Larry Neuburger: :)
21:50:35 Karen LaBonte: @carolteach I like the "co-create" distinction
21:50:41 osuteach: even internationally
21:50:42 Larry Neuburger: sorry
21:50:54 osuteach: we used epals this year
21:51:01 Larry Neuburger: I was thinking of my own students
21:51:07 Jenny B: cross-generationally
21:51:22 ElyseEA: @Larry No problem -- too many of us writing back at one time!
21:51:29 Woody: how did you find the epals @ osuteach
21:51:32 Larry Neuburger: :)
21:51:47 osuteach: it even has language translation
21:52:01 osuteach: if you go to epals.com you can sign up your class or school
21:52:16 Larry Neuburger: I'll check it out
21:52:27 osuteach: as a teacher you will monitor emails at different levels
21:52:49 osuteach: I view all 5th grade emails along with any attachments
21:53:24 tfcohn: Updates - how to be a student today versus the classroom of their parentss.
21:53:53 SusanEttenheim: yes tfcohn and how not to just teach what we reaned about....
21:54:17 drezac: trying to post a link, but can paste....
21:54:23 carolteach4: Just hearing about Google Wave which is supposed to combine chat, email, wiki, etc.I am just getting comfortable with Google docs, presentations, sites, and here we go again.
21:54:23 Karen LaBonte: Oooh. Discussions vs. blog posts-- nice.
21:54:43 kcparsons: Probably the most difficult for any teacher...most teach the way that they were taught.
21:54:54 Terry: my summer school students are having difficulty getting beyond "good job" as a response to their classmates online writing
21:55:17 tfcohn: Terry at least it's positive feedback.
21:55:20 Karen LaBonte: Almost like the post is an essay in letter form.
21:55:27 Terry: true
21:55:51 Woody: @Terry - Are you posting on YouthVoices?
21:56:13 brew7vwp: I think we all do well remembering Britton's expressive writing... write often and then write more
21:56:20 Terry: I've considered it but right now we post work to edmodo.com
21:56:27 ElyseEA: @ Terry Do your writers ask questions of their commenting peers. Sometimes I find it makes a difference to have the writer post some questions about what they are struggling with and want feedback about. Then, if they get a 'good job', the writer can come back with "come on, folks, what about my question though?"
21:56:35 Woody: thx
21:56:35 Terry: keeping tech to a minimum in a 15 day class
21:56:42 tfcohn: I use discussion board to springboard onto blogs and require students to respond appropriately to 2 classmate posts of more than 2 sentences.
21:57:00 fred_haas: @Terry - It takes time and guidance to build a culture that makes it both alright to comment and offer criticism
21:57:01 Karen LaBonte: @Terry Sometimes I've good luck giving kids response sheets w/ 1 -3 open-ended questions they need to answer for each writer
21:57:35 kcparsons: Excellent idea, Karen
21:57:49 Larry Neuburger: I've seen great discussions evolve from blog posts through comments back and forth. They need be engaged in the topic.
21:58:07 Karen LaBonte: @Terry That open-ended question then opens the door to talking about the writer getting to choose what feedback to listen to
21:58:08 fred_haas: @Terry - I always ask students to find one thing that they liked about another's writing and explain why it they think it works
21:58:21 Terry: we worked on the points they needed to make in a comment today.. I'm afraid it was too close to a break tho.
21:58:33 SusanEttenheim: do you think student's need to identify their interests first/
21:58:55 brew7vwp: tough to measure the area of a room with a thermometer
21:58:56 Terry: yes.. I have most very close to doing that fred_haas
21:59:18 JSheehey: I like your advice, Fred. Modeling for them how to give specific feedback helps my kids...
21:59:39 DBragg: Great conversation, but I need some sleep
21:59:46 Karen LaBonte: Ditto-- thanks all.
22:00:04 Jenny B: TTFN you east-coasters
22:00:06 ElyseEA: Goodnight, especially you East Coasters
22:00:07 SusanEttenheim: night dbragg thanks for joining us! continue to comment on the blog!
22:00:17 fred_haas: @Terry When I get results then I start with now find things you don't understand or find unclear, make some possible suggestions that would fix it
22:00:25 Larry Neuburger: Gail are you here?
22:00:27 Karen LaBonte: Susan, info about the blog plse?
22:00:48 SusanEttenheim: edtechtalk.com and teachersteachingteachers.org!
22:00:51 ElyseEA: http://teachersteachingteachers.org
22:00:55 Karen LaBonte: Tx. Nite.
22:00:57 Terry: thanks
22:00:58 SusanEttenheim: all is archived and podcasted
22:01:14 SusanEttenheim: who would like to interrupt this conversation and join in!??
22:01:33 SusanEttenheim: we have just a few more minutes but we'd love to bring in a few other voices!
22:01:38 SusanEttenheim: who has skype?
22:01:50 JSheehey: No skype here .... I'll just listen...
22:02:08 Jenny B: not I says the goose
22:02:16 SusanEttenheim: jsheehey - you can ask/comment in text too!
22:02:30 SusanEttenheim: lol jenny - a comment in text? question?
22:02:51 Jenny B: no prob
22:02:55 carolteach4: I have not visited an apple store in years. gotta get there. What a great rush for those kids
22:03:05 tfcohn: SusanE - assessment - what if the kids help develop the evaluation of a project?
22:03:13 SusanEttenheim: I take my students too and it's great!
22:03:22 Larry Neuburger: That's the best way
22:03:28 SusanEttenheim: do you do that tfcohn?
22:03:32 Jenny B: hey, where'd they go?
22:03:37 fred_haas: The whole notion of getting adults from outside the classroom to respond and comment to student work is something i keep trying to figure out how to work in with more frequency; expert voices
22:03:39 brew7vwp: for me, my classes are about learning, not grades... I have no problem giving a blanket 95% report card grade if the kids are learning, giving effort, doing
22:03:42 tfcohn: Not as much as I'd like to. They say it's my job.
22:03:50 carolteach4: Often the missing piece is time to redo after the assessment.
22:04:22 Larry Neuburger: Yehaw Brew! I thought I was alone
22:04:23 SusanEttenheim: lol tfcohn how true!
22:04:34 fred_haas: @carolteach4 - Absolutely! That is most often where the actual learning actually happens.
22:05:10 brew7vwp: we're a rare breed, for sure
22:05:13 SusanEttenheim: thanks for joining us everyone! please join us again next week!
22:05:14 matt montagne: great conversation all!
22:05:21 Larry Neuburger: thnx!
22:05:23 tfcohn: thanks everyone!
22:05:24 SusanEttenheim: and paul- how do we get the book?
22:05:25 brew7vwp: I know a bunch of "punative" graders
22:05:31 fred_haas: Nice hosting Kevin!
22:05:36 kcparsons: Enjoyed, nite all
22:05:36 ElyseEA: @susan Can we test my skype again at some point before next week?
22:05:39 Terry: thanks all
22:05:46 JSheehey: My thanks to all of you ... enjoyed hearing your thoughts...
22:05:50 Robin: thanks! nite
22:05:51 SusanEttenheim: lets try right after we finish?
22:05:56 Jenny B: thanks everyone this has been terrific and the book is fantastic
22:05:56 fred_haas: How did it feel to be on the other side of the mic Paul?
22:05:57 ElyseEA: okay
22:05:59 carolteach4: Great discussion -lots of food for thought
22:06:04 Larry Neuburger: Thanx guys for the great book!
22:06:15 Pat: Thanks all!
22:06:21 Larry Neuburger: A relevant book!
22:06:22 ElyseEA: On the NWP website -- homepage
22:06:30 Paul Allison: http://www.nwp.org/
22:06:35 Jenny B: Flips are at Amazon for $54.99
22:06:43 SusanEttenheim: larry - before you go - how can we get a good deal on those cameras?
22:06:58 SusanEttenheim: but jenny larry got so many for that price!
22:07:04 glenbledsoe: http://store.tcpress.com/0807749648.shtml
22:07:13 fred_haas: @Susan - Amazon 30 min flavor
22:07:18 christina: From the NWP: http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/books/teachingnewwriting
22:07:19 Larry Neuburger: Our writing project buys a ton of stuff. I guilted her into it.
22:07:21 brew7vwp: thanks everyone
22:07:41 Jenny B: It's Amazon! They'ver prorably got gobs of them!
22:07:56 Jenny B: It's time for some grant writing!
22:07:57 Paul Allison: http://www.nwp.org/cs/public/print/books/teachingnewwriting
22:08:01 Pat: Props to Christina...and Elyse!
22:08:07 christina: Thanks everyone!
22:08:16 ElyseEA: Goodnight
22:08:18 Woody: student teachers coming in. goodnight.
22:08:20 Larry Neuburger: Nice job Guys!
22:08:28 SusanEttenheim: thanks everyone!
22:08:31 glenbledsoe: Good bye.
22:08:34 fred_haas: Thanks - Nite
22:08:39 Woody: thank you gang
22:08:41 christina: night
22:08:51 Jenny B: night all
22:09:10 ElyseEA: Very nice show folks -- thanks
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