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Teachers Teaching Teachers #166 - 09.02.09 - Minding the gap between library databases and social bookmarking - EBSCO and diigo

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Susan Ettenheim begins this podcast by wondering if bookmarking and databases can go together. This question came from a recent webcast (TTT 165) when Joyce Valenza started an inquiry into a division she is beginning to see in her school. She has noticed that those students who have been introduced to social bookmarking in delicious and diigo are becoming less likely to use the library databases.

Like many of us, these students hesitate to use a source for their research that they are not able to comment on and get responses from members of their personal learning networks. Part of the value or a source comes from the on-line conversations that get attached to that source, and bookmarking sources found in a library or specialized database seems to be impossible. Links are not persistent and the resources remain behind a password. We agree with Joyce that we want students to be able to do both: use the rich material in library databases and learn how much knowledge comes from bookmarking in social networks.

(Joyce Valenza, by the way, will be on The Future of Education with Frandes Jacobson Harris and Howard Rheingold and hour before our show this Wednesday, September 30. Tune in to that show, then join us at EdTechTalk at 9:00pm Eastern / 6:00pm Pacific USA / World Times. Our guests will be Troy Hicks, author of the new Heinemann title, The Digital Writing Workshop, and four teachers as they discuss how they foster student choice and inquiry in their writing classrooms.)

For this podcast, Susan Ettenheim invited Ron Burns, Director of Software Product Management at EBSCO to answer the question of whether or not bookmarking and databases go together. He begins his conversation by pointing out that Diigo is part of their "Bookmark" bar on the EBSCOhost interface, but many more issues arise as Susan is joined by five amazing teachers, tech integrators and media specialists/librarians: Alice Barr, Vicki Davis, Madeline Brownstone, Suzanne Hamilton and Carolyn Stanley

Here are few of the specialized/state databases that are discussed on this podcast:

Please stay tuned to Teachers Teaching Teachers. On TTT 169 (webcast on 09.23.09, and to be uploaded soon) Joyce Valenza and Chief Diigo Ambassador, Maggie Tsai joined us to further the dialogue. More to come!

Click Read more to see more notes from Ron Burns and a transcript of a chat that was happening during the webcast.

After the show Ron Burns sent these notes:

Thank you again for having me on the show.
Here is some of the information we discussed if you wanted to share with the notes:
These two links have some info, tools, ideas for integrating EBSCOhost content into school curriculums
I think adding a Success Story or tutorial on using a tool like Diigo is a great idea, and will relay this to our head of the Customer Success
team this week.

Here is also a quick list of recent and coming EBSCOhost features:
Recent Released Features
  • Limiting to articles with Image Quick View, improved image search
  • Eliminating "Zero Results" with auto-run SmartText Search
  • Search Box Builder
  • Content Viewer (life-like viewing of old journal content)
  • Notetaking
  • EBSCOhost Integrated Search
Coming Soon (this Fall)
  • English Language Learner (with text-to-speech)
  • EBSCOhost Mobile
  • EBSCOhost Open (advanced branding, skinnability, and widgets)
  • EBSCO Discovery Service
Coming 2010
  • Improved relevancy ranking and multi-database searching speed
  • Folders usability redesign and New functionality (publish newsletter, learning objects, html pages)
  • Enhanced Content Viewer (dynamic viewing alternative to PDFs)
  • EBSCOhost Connection (integration with Google and the open web) with
  • geo-location
Let me know if there is anything else I can provide or help with.

Trancscipt of the Chat

19:55:37 mbrownstone: Hi JL
19:56:41 JL: Hello Madeline
20:02:36 mbrownstone: Guess I'm a voyuer outside here looking in.
20:04:57 mbrownstone: The action seems to be in Second Life and I'm out here in the ETT chatroom all by myself
20:10:39 JL: not totally alone
20:10:46 JL: I have a foot in both worlds
20:11:09 mbrownstone: I think it would take me forever to find that place in Second Life
20:11:29 JL: I can teleport you if you head inworld
20:11:51 mbrownstone: I tuned in an hour early for TTT by mistake and bumped into this zaney group.
20:21:35 mbrownstone: I made an account in Second life a year ago. I took the name Pandamonia Snoodle, but can't seem to log in. Is there a fee now? The verification the want is my last billed amount. That would be zero. Hmmmm
20:22:44 JL: shouldn't be a fee, but they can be pretty picky about passwords - especaially if you haven't logged in for a while
20:23:27 mbrownstone: That must be it. Oh well.  I think I'll tune out and come back in for TTT at 9. Thanks for the offer to teleport me, though. That would have been fun. :-)
20:27:28 mbrownstone: Bye JL, thanks for the offer for a lift.
20:44:44 SusanEttenheim: hi jl!
20:44:48 SusanEttenheim: hi barbsaka
20:44:50 SusanEttenheim: welcome
20:45:03 SusanEttenheim: Ron Burns, director of software product management at EBSCO
20:45:12 SusanEttenheim: is our guest tonight on TTT at 9pm
20:46:11 barbsaka: Thanks for the welcome.
20:47:02 barbsaka: oops! doesn't work outside SL :)
20:52:02 SusanEttenheim: hi scott welcome!
20:52:54 Scott Shelhart: Hi Susan.  WHere is everyone?
20:57:46 SusanEttenheim: humm scott
20:57:52 SusanEttenheim: where are you and what do you teach?
20:58:21 mbrownstone: Hello out there!
20:58:59 SusanEttenheim: hi!!!
20:58:59 Scott Shelhart: Susan, I am a college student/ mid-life career changer.  Will have my K-6 license in 2 more years.
20:59:08 SusanEttenheim: madeline - can I skyp you in???
20:59:10 mbrownstone: Hi Susan, what's the best way to listen? UStream or iTunes
20:59:12 alicebarr: Are we in the right place?
20:59:12 alicebarr: HI mbrownstone
20:59:17 alicebarr: Hello
20:59:33 mbrownstone: Sure, i'm madeline_here
20:59:52 mbrownstone: Hi Alice, I'm madeline.
20:59:59 alicebarr: Hi madeline Click on the Edtech A Button up above on the right
21:00:21 alicebarr: They should start broadcastingsoon
21:00:33 alicebarr: HI Suzanne
21:00:56 SusanEttenheim: hi alice - can I call you?
21:01:02 SusanEttenheim: can I skype you in for a few minutes?
21:01:07 alicebarr: Sure On Skype?
21:01:11 SusanEttenheim: yeahhh yes
21:01:36 Suzanne: Hi Alice!
21:01:55 alicebarr: Do we have sound yet?
21:02:15 SusanEttenheim: alice we should have sound but I want to skype you in
21:02:24 SusanEttenheim: hi carol! can I skyp you in?
21:02:50 carolteach4: Do we have sound?
21:03:02 SusanEttenheim: we should have sound - do you hear?
21:03:14 Scott Shelhart: Sound good on ETTA
21:03:29 carolteach4: Ok - I can hear!
21:04:11 guest478: yay!
21:04:45 guest478: hi
21:04:48 SusanEttenheim: thanks scott!
21:05:18 SusanEttenheim: hi guest478
21:05:27 guest478: hey susan...
21:05:28 carolteach4: I can hear Alice saying "hi" and a lot of muffled sounds -cutting out and in
21:05:32 guest478: long time no talk
21:06:11 alicebarr: We're getting there
21:06:35 guest478: haha
21:06:38 guest478: i love edtechtalk
21:06:38 Scott Shelhart: oops. Alice gone
21:06:48 Suzanne: I just lost sound
21:06:50 Scott Shelhart: no audio
21:07:02 guest478: i like the last "hello" part the best
21:07:39 carolteach4: Lost audio again just as Alice was about to say what she taught
21:09:09 alicebarr: I teach instructional technology at the hs
21:09:16 carolteach4: @Susan-I have my Skype window open if you want to skype me in-I've called people, but I don't think I've ever answered a call
21:09:27 alicebarr: Susan, when Madeline comes in the Skype call hangs up on you
21:09:40 carolteach4: no audio at all
21:10:17 Suzanne: None for me either
21:10:18 mbrownstone: Susan is having Skype problems
21:10:26 carolteach4: see a message - transferring data from ping.chartbeat.net above system tray on right
21:10:45 alicebarr: can you hear us?
21:10:46 SusanEttenheim: ok we're broadcasting again - can you hear us?
21:10:51 carolteach4: Yes, I can hear you
21:11:06 Suzanne: now I hear
21:11:11 SusanEttenheim: madeline - can you text in?
21:11:19 SusanEttenheim: and listenon the stream
21:12:18 mbrownstone: #susan, I don't need to speak, I can type
21:12:21 carolteach4: @Susan - you are softer than Ron and Alice
21:12:53 carolteach4: There is also a bit of a delay in the chat
21:13:09 guest478: hurrays!
21:13:12 alicebarr: Susan... try WITHOUT me
21:13:17 carolteach4: I am so in awe of Vicki Davis
21:13:36 mbrownstone: I can hear Alice
21:14:00 coolcatteacher: Hello everyone.
21:14:06 coolcatteacher: Hi, is that madeline?
21:14:19 mbrownstone: Yes, vicki, tis me
21:14:27 mbrownstone: How have you been, vicki?
21:14:46 guest478: never seen that happen before
21:14:48 alicebarr: Hi Vicki
21:14:51 carolteach4: Hi, Vicki - so happy to be in the same  chat room with you
21:15:22 coolcatteacher: Hi, guys.
21:15:29 coolcatteacher: @carolteach4 - my honor as well.
21:15:30 mbrownstone: They sold Skype to some corporate folks, maybe they broke it.
21:15:32 coolcatteacher: Just left to go tweet this.
21:15:36 carolteach4: The chat is acting really funny-I'm typing o.k. now, but it was freezing up before
21:15:39 coolcatteacher: Skype was mega broken last night.
21:15:57 coolcatteacher: I couldn't see Julie Lindsay and had to skype w/ Anne Mirtschin in Australia and she had to add Julie so then I could see Julie.
21:16:03 carolteach4: Audio is great now
21:16:05 coolcatteacher: Skype is having pains.
21:16:18 guest478: i think skype knew i was nearby and wanted to keep me out :)
21:16:30 coolcatteacher: @mbrownstone - I've been so busy it is unbelievable - trying to get digiteen, flat classroom going
21:16:41 mbrownstone: My hard drive is about to crash and so my computer freezes unexpectedly. 
21:16:43 coolcatteacher: and a new middle school debate project called Eracism invented by students at the Flat Classroom conference last year.
21:16:50 coolcatteacher: @mbrownstone - ohno!
21:17:07 mbrownstone: @Coolcatteacher you thrive on busy :-)
21:17:08 coolcatteacher: OK, I guess I'll listen to the stream, may not get into skype since it is in pain.
21:17:39 coolcatteacher: @mbrownstone - I survive but thrive - well, with one in high school, one in middle school, and one in elementary we are battening down the hatches till this year blows over.
21:17:59 mbrownstone: @cookcatteacher OY!!
21:18:34 carolteach4: @Susan - you are wonderful - we'll deal
21:18:35 coolcatteacher: Oh, Alice, tomorrow morning!  I bet you're nervous.
21:18:54 alicebarr: Not too bad, great kids and teachers helping
21:19:03 SusanEttenheim: thanks so much for hanging in with us!
21:19:07 alicebarr: But always nervous to present :)
21:19:07 carolteach4: @Alice - so exciting- I miss Maine
21:19:19 alicebarr: We miss you gusy!
21:19:22 alicebarr: guys
21:19:25 SusanEttenheim: this is challenging! Alice will chat and then give others a turn!
21:19:35 alicebarr: Come see us in October Tech Conference
21:19:59 alicebarr: Susan want me to hang up now?
21:20:21 SusanEttenheim: alice hang in for a question and then maybe we can spur others on to questions
21:20:34 SusanEttenheim: as soon as anyone has a question, we'll take turns!
21:20:34 alicebarr: Hi Peggy
21:20:37 mbrownstone: I have Ebsco Host open and see no magic buttons
21:20:37 SusanEttenheim: hi peggy!
21:20:39 SusanEttenheim: welcome!
21:20:48 SusanEttenheim: meet Ron Burns, director of software product management at EBSCO.
21:20:48 PeggyG: Hi Sorry I'm late--another session ran overtime
21:20:58 SusanEttenheim: glad everyone's here!
21:21:26 SusanEttenheim: on top of everything else - I cut my finger tonight so my typing's lumpy!
21:21:30 carolteach4: I think Amity subscribes to an EBSCO database-
21:21:34 SusanEttenheim: alice where did you go?
21:21:38 alicebarr: UH oh
21:21:45 alicebarr: Not sure just keep gong
21:21:46 SusanEttenheim: I'll call you back
21:21:55 alicebarr: No you may lose ron
21:21:57 carolteach4: The social studies one with Renaissance
21:22:03 PeggyG: so sorry Susan!!
21:22:06 alicebarr: OK I am back
21:22:12 SusanEttenheim: madeline I'm sure you'll lhave comments soon!
21:23:26 SusanEttenheim: hi teckdiva welcome!
21:23:27 carolteach4: Can you drop a link to the public view of EBSCO?
21:23:36 teckdiva: hi
21:23:52 mbrownstone: I just tweeted my search bookmark
21:24:04 Suzanne: I see the magic button!
21:24:28 SusanEttenheim: suzanne - can we skype you in?
21:24:44 Suzanne: sure
21:24:51 Suzanne: How do I do that?
21:25:08 SusanEttenheim: what is your skype suzanne?
21:25:13 alicebarr: IConn?
21:25:42 Suzanne: Suzanne Hamilton
21:25:51 ronburns: yes iconn.org
21:25:57 coolcatteacher: Back in.
21:25:59 carolteach4: She's right - iConn Yes
21:26:18 carolteach4: I'll see if I can get there from my school site
21:26:23 coolcatteacher: The tough thing is that for example, I have my students go to the public library to get onto Galileo - however we don't get the "Galileo" that the college kids get.
21:26:39 SusanEttenheim: suzanne I got a lot of responses - which one are you in skype?
21:26:48 coolcatteacher: I think that teachers have to create portals like Alice and them do with porta portal to have entrances into the web - to teach kids how to build a pln
21:27:14 guest478: is  it for sales purposes?
21:27:30 SusanEttenheim: suzanne what is your skype user name?
21:27:33 guest478: or to try and encourage people to access knowledge?
21:27:47 PeggyG: great suggestion coolcatteacher!!
21:28:02 coolcatteacher: When you have a project, build a group of links including Deep Web Resources
21:28:42 Suzanne: sphamilton41
21:28:43 coolcatteacher: Alice can tell us about Portaportal and putting links into there - can you link directly to deep web database from portaportal or a netvibes published page that if they have an ID that they can get in?
21:29:47 guest478: http://support.ebsco.com/promotion/promo.php
21:29:52 PeggyG: Portaportal sites are really easy to create and share with other teachers
21:30:20 SusanEttenheim: thanks guest478! please introduce yourself!
21:30:26 SusanEttenheim: alice.. link?
21:30:28 alicebarr: @Vicki: I think you can link directly from Portaportal to s deep web resource becasue it's basically like making a web page
21:30:56 guest478: guest478 -> dave cormier. open learning advocate. educational type person.
21:31:09 SusanEttenheim: haha welcome!
21:31:19 SusanEttenheim: questions comments??
21:31:20 carolteach4: Guy Kawasaki (not sure got his name right) was interviewing a number of young folks about what they'd be willing to pay for on the web, and they didn't want to pay for anything really, but they mention appreciation for the databases that their schools paid for. I was glad to see that kids could see their value over just using google.
21:31:33 guest478: also highly suspicious of EBSCO host... listening with an open mind.
21:31:46 SusanEttenheim: in what way guest478?
21:31:50 PeggyG: you can link your students from portaportal but they would need to log in on the database site once they get there
21:31:50 guest478: of course... being an open learning advocate... my bias is kinda out there
21:31:53 SusanEttenheim: carol can I skype you in to say that?
21:32:00 mbrownstone: Great! Got the Diigo bookmarks to work even without going to the persistent link. Saves a step.
21:32:03 alicebarr: http://www.portaportal.com/
21:32:23 guest478: @susan its a business dedicated to ways of collecting and hiding knowledge until someone pays for it.
21:32:32 carolteach4: Try calling me, and I'll see if I can answer. I'll be ready to mute my real audio.
21:32:48 PeggyG: I stopped using Portaportal when I started using Diigo :-)
21:33:04 SusanEttenheim: haha guest... want to say that and ask that in person?
21:33:08 coolcatteacher: @Peggy - so you're using Diigo lists.
21:33:12 SusanEttenheim: not fair throwing stones in text chat
21:33:19 PeggyG: yes I use Diigo lists
21:33:23 mbrownstone: Diigo also hase an educators area so, for younger students, they can be somewhat sheltered
21:33:40 PeggyG: and I use tags for finding resources from lots of people
21:33:52 guest478: @susan you mean me? was just declaring bias. you asked me... i think it's an important discussion.
21:33:53 alicebarr: @Peggy I also have started using Diigo instead of Portaportal now too
21:33:55 carolteach4: I'll have to give Dilgo a try - used Delicious, but was really happy with Google Notebook. Of course, that's not available to new users.
21:34:01 guest478: if you think it's inappropriate i can bow out.
21:34:15 PeggyG: you don't have to give up Delicious to use Diigo
21:34:24 PeggyG: you can post to both locations
21:34:32 mbrownstone: @carolteach4 the benefit of Diigo over Delicious is the stickey note feature
21:34:34 SusanEttenheim: madeline can I try to call you in again after vicki?
21:34:49 alicebarr: Portaportal is a great way to start learning what online bookmarking is all about
21:34:58 alicebarr: Yes teacher driven
21:35:01 carolteach4: Oh, my - another think to learn - sounds exciting
21:35:04 mbrownstone: @susan  I'm good typing
21:35:15 SusanEttenheim: but I want to hear you too !
21:35:23 SusanEttenheim: because you are used to using diigo?
21:35:46 mbrownstone: Sure, no problem
21:35:53 coolcatteacher: I love diigo - it is wonderful and diigo lists rock.
21:36:18 coolcatteacher: @guest478 - Well, of course he is biased, he works for him - he is not claiming impartiality - he'd better like the product, he developed it.
21:36:20 PeggyG: sorry Susan--don't have my headset on
21:36:23 carolteach4: Boy, I'll need to download the stream of this conversation. I am losing alot
21:36:26 coolcatteacher: he works for them...
21:36:41 SusanEttenheim: ok! :)
21:37:03 coolcatteacher: @mbrownstone and the standard tag feature and the annotation feature
21:37:17 coolcatteacher: You can highlight and sticky note the work of students.
21:37:24 coolcatteacher: Madeline has done Flat Classroom before.
21:37:26 coolcatteacher: ;-)
21:37:31 guest478: @coolcatteacher I said I WAS BIASED
21:37:34 coolcatteacher: YES-- that is what we use.
21:37:50 coolcatteacher: @guest478 - OK, sure.  Thanks for clarifying that.
21:38:03 guest478: @coolcatteacher my pleasure.
21:38:05 carolteach4: Oh, nice to know who mbrownstone is -
21:38:13 coolcatteacher: @carolteach4 - she is so amazing.
21:38:17 SusanEttenheim: great to have you here guest!
21:38:17 PeggyG: I found using Portaportal was much more limiting that Diigo. It's like organizing your bookmarks into folders and when you get several thousand it's much harder to remember which folder you put them in and many things overlap categories
21:38:19 SusanEttenheim: ;)
21:38:39 coolcatteacher: @peggyG - really, for younger kids using it more like a "start page" constructed for a particular project
21:38:41 SusanEttenheim: alice comments? should we skype you back in after madeline?
21:38:52 SusanEttenheim: oh suzanne... i found you!
21:38:55 coolcatteacher: Not for us to use for ourselves, but as a place for them to use -- or also have used netvibes and published the tab.
21:38:56 Suzanne: Databases need to be as easy to use as Google in order for my students to really embrace them.
21:39:04 SusanEttenheim: hold on one sec - can I call you right after madeline?
21:39:10 Suzanne: yes.
21:39:10 PeggyG: I agree that it makes a great starting place both for students and teachers if they aren't used to bookmarking online
21:40:22 alicebarr: Really important that students learn how to do the right kinds of research
21:40:36 PeggyG: that's why we wanted to invite Maggie Tsai to join us to talk about the Diigo/database issue
21:41:18 PeggyG: did Maggie get in touch with you? She said she was going to...
21:41:19 coolcatteacher: @Suzanne - so yes, you are totally right!
21:41:24 SusanEttenheim: yes peggy! we're just continuing the conversation this week and hopefully we'll get everyone together in the next week or so
21:41:25 carolteach4: Teachers have to guide students to databases; most won't gravitate to them on their own; just go to google or wikipedia -also, databases sometimes are a bit dry in their interface
21:41:29 coolcatteacher: @PeggyG but certainly, they need to progress from there.
21:41:32 PeggyG: hooray!!
21:41:45 coolcatteacher: @carolteach4 - yes - they always start at google
21:41:58 coolcatteacher: but by the time they graduate I want them to understand and REMEMBER how to build a PLN.
21:42:20 alicebarr: Diidgo allows research for and with a PLN
21:43:01 carolteach4: @coolcatteacher - PLN's are great, and I am going to really push that with my teachers this fall and hopefully, it will translate to the kids
21:43:05 PeggyG: I think she's describing the concern that Joyce Valenza mentioned last week re Diigo and databases
21:43:25 guest478: the PLN discussion is one of my concerns re: Private Access databases. does payed knowledge database contribute to haves/havenots in edu?
21:43:56 carolteach4: @guest478 - true - databases are expensive -
21:44:15 SusanEttenheim: true but each state has free access too
21:44:21 SusanEttenheim: is that true in canada too?
21:44:22 guest478: @carolteach4 and if the PLN is about networks... that is... about people... then ->
21:44:32 carolteach4: Hi, Suzanne -
21:44:36 alicebarr: @guest478 interesting question
21:44:36 PeggyG: and you have to be affiliated with an institution that subscribes to paid databases to use them--that's my concern now that I am retired--no more access
21:45:00 guest478: @susan so every state has access?
21:45:05 alicebarr: KEy "valuable to them"
21:45:09 guest478: and no... not true here in canada
21:45:23 carolteach4: @PeggyG-doesn't your state provide a database with a library card as Connecticut does with iConn?
21:45:31 PeggyG: no
21:45:42 carolteach4: @Susan -well, the state is paying - ultimately someone pays
21:45:43 SusanEttenheim: peggy in ny and other states anyone can walk into the library
21:46:16 PeggyG: I can access the library "database" for books and materials but nothing like EBSCO
21:46:41 carolteach4: I love the fact that every library in Maine has free wireless wifi
21:46:49 Suzanne: me too
21:49:10 SusanEttenheim: ahh guest what do you think .. is the tech have or have not even greater than databases?
21:50:03 guest478: it's a good question. I would say literacies first. tech second. knowledge protection third.
21:50:08 guest478: in order of problems.
21:50:10 carolteach4: Susan - this is exactly what was being discussed in the forum with Guy - what are kids willing to pay for - for that matter, what are teachers willing to pay for.
21:50:15 SusanEttenheim: ok who is ready to skype in?
21:50:38 SusanEttenheim: carol do you have a mic?
21:51:13 SusanEttenheim: madeline can I skype you back in to answer ron's question too?
21:51:21 carolteach4: Of course, we understand that companies like EBSCO have to pay people to do that critical sorting to make the databases valuable - someone has to pay, or the company couldn't survive
21:51:26 mbrownstone: @Peggy G- Our kids simply use their local library card number + pin to access the EBSCO databases
21:51:34 carolteach4: I am plugged in, Susan.
21:51:41 carolteach4: mike and headphones
21:52:05 PeggyG: @mbrownstone-that fantastic!!
21:52:14 SusanEttenheim: great will call you in a sec
21:52:17 PeggyG: so the state must be paying for it??
21:52:40 carolteach4: In our middle school, thanks to the directed lessons of our media specialist and social studies teacher, there has been much more directed lessons in using the databases we subscribe to
21:53:32 SusanEttenheim: carolyn calling you...
21:53:46 carolteach4: audio breaking up again
21:53:54 guest478: night folks. thanks for the nice convo! ttyal
21:54:03 alicebarr: NIght Guest!
21:54:18 carolteach4: big delay in posting to chat
21:54:20 alicebarr: Worried about Skype tomorrow night
21:54:34 alicebarr: Maybe the internet is broken!
21:54:41 carolteach4: I've got Skype window open, but no ring yet.
21:54:42 alicebarr: WHat's trending on Twitter?
21:55:03 SusanEttenheim: wow this is challenging tonight!
21:55:12 SusanEttenheim: carolyn did you skype not ring?
21:55:18 SusanEttenheim: I can try you again in a minute
21:55:20 alicebarr: @Susan, you're doing a great job!
21:55:34 SusanEttenheim: good luck tomorrow alice - never had this happen!
21:55:55 carolteach4: Should I hear a ring?
21:56:20 SusanEttenheim: carolyn - I think I'll call yo uagain in a minute when madeline is finished talking
21:56:34 carolteach4: O.K. - no problem
21:56:39 SusanEttenheim: it seems that as soon as I call someone else in it cuts so I'm calling one a time..
21:56:47 SusanEttenheim: just a sec I do want to call you back
21:58:21 SusanEttenheim: alice I'd like to call in carolyn and then call you back to close us - ok?
21:58:37 carolteach4: Yes, a more graphical interface is really important to engage kids
21:58:47 alicebarr: Sure
21:58:51 SusanEttenheim: tnx
21:59:09 carolteach4: Typeface in articles and line length are also important for readability
22:01:29 alicebarr: Good point teachers have to use it too
22:01:43 SusanEttenheim: alice be back with you in a minute
22:02:15 mbrownstone: @PeggyG-Yes, State of NY pays for it. When we go to the library homepage the databases are on the left column menu. http://queenslibrary.org/
22:04:09 Suzanne: I like this feature -- the image incluced in the results of EBSCO - and I like to use the 'Find Similar results' option.
22:05:56 SusanEttenheim: anyone want a final skype comments?
22:06:00 SusanEttenheim: all welcome!
22:06:47 carolteach4: I am so glad that Ron says that the databases are going to include more multimedia aspects - I am a visual as well as a auditory learner
22:08:53 carolteach4: I think Alice's idea sounds great - practice with Diigo and databases with the goal of sharing what has impacted us
22:09:07 carolteach4: and hopefully, our students
22:09:46 carolteach4: Happy, Back to School, everyone! Been back 3 days and it feels as if we never left.
22:09:55 carolteach4: Yeah! Seedlings
22:10:53 mbrownstone: Say goodnight, Gracie
22:10:58 alicebarr: THanks all !
22:11:00 mbrownstone: Thank you Ron.
22:11:09 carolteach4: Very informative show - thanks - actually tuning into a webcast tomorrow with Howare DiBlasi - Teaching Brock to Search
22:11:32 SusanEttenheim: thanks again everyone!
22:11:35 carolteach4: @Susan- I'll let you know how that webinar is and what he has to say
22:11:50 SusanEttenheim: great!
22:12:05 carolteach4: will email you soon