Conversations #92 - Homework (Feb. 13, 2011)
In this show, Maria, Lisa and Sheila discussed homework. What is it? An extension of school, work done at home? And what is its purpose? Is it required by the school and/or expected by parents? Should every grade level have homework?
Your homework for March 13th's show - Write down 5 events in your life that lead you into the field of education.
Note - We will take a winter break for Feb. 27 and March 6, 2011.
Chat log below.
11:31:20 PeggyG : Good morning everyone!
11:31:27 Lisa Parisi : Hello Peggy and Durff
11:31:41 mrsdurff : sound yet?
11:32:03 Sheila : Morning
11:32:04 mrsdurff : I'm packing for PETE-C !!
11:32:20 Lisa Parisi : We're in Ustream
11:32:30 mrsdurff : yes she is
11:32:31 PeggyG : no sound for me yet-are you using ustream?
11:32:36 Lisa Parisi : YEs Peggy
11:32:41 Lisa Parisi : And ETTA
11:32:46 mrsdurff : and please tell people how to move chat rooms
11:32:49 PeggyG : just got it!
11:32:56 mrsdurff : auddio good
11:33:21 mrsdurff : they are in the other chat room
11:33:25 PeggyG : did anyone go to the Webheads for EVO this morning? too early for me but Jeff Lebow was hosting it
11:33:35 PeggyG : that's why the other room was the default
11:33:46 Lisa Parisi : HEllo Maureen
11:33:49 mrsdurff : she's old hat
11:33:54 [email protected] : Good morning all
11:34:04 mrsdurff : isn't EVO over?
11:34:23 PeggyG : yes it's over but those people may not have logged out
11:34:26 mrsdurff : EVO was the default for me
11:34:36 PeggyG : me too mrsdurff
11:34:54 mrsdurff : my default is Starbucks
11:35:15 mrsdurff : the cabgirl strikes again
11:35:26 Sheila : How true Mrsdurff
11:35:48 [email protected] : I'm having the 4th graders graph conversation hearts tomorrow- in excel.
11:35:50 PeggyG : making myself a sticky note right now for Valentines cards!!
11:35:54 mrsdurff : celebrate a saint? not likely
11:36:22 PeggyG : homework is always a stimulating conversation!
11:36:32 PeggyG : Hi Maureen and McTeach!
11:36:37 mrsdurff : I actually read this tweet on my phone....I'm learning
11:36:41 [email protected] : @mrsdurff Celebrate chocolate... works for me
11:36:42 PeggyG : how are those roof rakes holding up????
11:36:55 McTeach (Karen) : Hey Peggy!
11:36:58 mrsdurff : dark chocolate -> yummy
11:37:01 [email protected] : We had our first full week since Dec I think
11:37:04 McTeach (Karen) : Good Morning ladies!
11:37:05 PeggyG : super idea Maureen!!
11:37:30 [email protected] : I have the link open, but haven't had time to check the videos yet
11:37:33 Lisa Parisi : http://energizingenergy.wikispaces.com/Science+Day+2011
11:37:57 PeggyG : I was just watching those videos Lisa (via Facebook post) :-) awesome!
11:38:13 [email protected] : Understanding variables- dependent, independent is a very hard concept for the kids to get.
11:39:05 PeggyG : what a fun project Lisa!!!
11:39:11 mrsdurff : principals never get it
11:39:26 PeggyG : be careful mrsdurff!!! This principal gets it!
11:39:34 mrsdurff : ok, my principals don't get it
11:39:40 [email protected] : They need to learn what to look for and what they are looking at
11:39:41 Lisa Parisi : LOL
11:40:30 PeggyG : What fun Sheila!! and getting the kids to brainstorm how to use Vokis is brilliant!
11:40:41 MariaK : http://classblogmeister.com/blog.php?user_id=51141&blogger_id=329423 Dalton's blog with his voki
11:40:43 [email protected] : I want my language teachers to use Voki.... it would be so much more fun for them than doing the regular old practice
11:41:54 mrsdurff : Love voki
11:42:03 mrsdurff : kids love them too
11:42:37 Sheila (again) : Yes Maureen. I showed them even offered to have the kids do them in my classes. Got a maybe . . .
11:42:41 mrsdurff : I think we have to do them soon in 5th grade about our visit from @CivilWarSallie
11:43:02 mrsdurff : I just do, and ask later maybe
11:43:12 mrsdurff : not fired yet
11:43:15 Lisa Parisi : Better to ask forgiveness than permission
11:43:28 Sheila (again) : I remember MrsDurff that you actually introduced them to me years ago.
11:43:36 mrsdurff : you can't do that anymore?
11:44:01 mrsdurff : oh no! they ruined it
11:44:07 mrsdurff : like VT
11:44:24 mrsdurff : well, what about Blabberise
11:44:26 Sheila (again) : One day it was there and the next it was gone for me.
11:44:47 mrsdurff : oh it's Marias fault
11:45:00 mrsdurff : :)
11:45:02 PeggyG : time to start advocating Lisa!
11:45:17 McTeach (Karen) : Hey, no earthquake jokes!
11:45:24 Lisa Parisi : LOL
11:45:58 Sheila (again) : lol
11:46:10 PeggyG : what is foreign? anyone outside of your classroom?
11:46:12 mrsdurff : besides me?
11:46:32 PeggyG : http://www.voki.com/Voki_for_education.php
11:46:41 PeggyG : aha! thanks
11:47:04 mrsdurff : big whoop
11:47:15 mrsdurff : kids do worse in school
11:47:44 PeggyG : nice transition Sheila :-) using Voki for homework
11:48:38 mrsdurff : woof!
11:48:56 [email protected] : I like them because you can use phones to do the audio... if assigned for homework, it's important not to assume mics are available
11:49:08 Lisa Parisi : True Maureen
11:50:06 mrsdurff : iPadio is nice for posting audio too
11:50:25 PeggyG : saw Amanda's animal photos on Flickr this morning :-) awesome!
11:50:41 MariaK : http://animalsinoz.wikispaces.com/
11:50:45 mrsdurff : I used my cell phone to post First Grade comments on their blog - there is no internet in there room
11:50:48 Sheila (again) : Keep coming with the tools MrsDurff. I have forgotten about a lot of these.
11:50:48 PeggyG : Animals in Oz :-)
11:51:05 mrsdurff : sometimes my laptop gets it and sometimes it doesn't
11:51:15 PeggyG : http://www.flickr.com/photos/marragem/sets/72157625912848397/
11:52:16 mrsdurff : cellphones are computers
11:52:26 mrsdurff : and most have them
11:52:46 mrsdurff : and you listen to guidelines? I don't
11:53:00 mrsdurff : I beat you - I give none
11:53:03 [email protected] : Almost all of my kids have access, but with multiple kids/family- they may not be able to use it when you need them to.
11:53:30 PeggyG : we always had a similar model in our schooll for homework minutes but I'm troubled by measuring valuable homework in minutes
11:54:09 [email protected] : I don't give homework- they only have work to do for me if they have slacked off in class, or missed class
11:54:17 McTeach (Karen) : We are told by the local Catholic high schools that we aren't giving enough homework.
11:54:35 Lisa Parisi : Ihear it from the middle school, Karen.
11:54:46 PeggyG : @McTeach-those are the people who believe the value of homework is teaching responsibility
11:54:53 mrsdurff : then parents must hate me - no worksheets
11:55:03 mrsdurff : there is no value in hw
11:55:14 mrsdurff : ask Alfie Kohn
11:55:20 McTeach (Karen) : They feel that they just aren't prepared for the amount of homework that they'l have in high school.
11:55:38 PeggyG : homework used to be work assigned to be done at home but now many teachers give kids time to do their homework at school because they know they won't have time to do it at home
11:55:46 [email protected] : I a;ways expected my kindergarten parents to read with their kids, talk about the day- never HW
11:56:09 mrsdurff : Reading is hw in my school
11:56:13 mrsdurff : so sad
11:56:53 [email protected] : How to make reading painful- those reading logs were silly
11:57:20 PeggyG : just participated in a webinar about the findings of the National Reading Research project and really liked one of the findings--no literacy improvement for parents reading to kids unless they are also discussing and having a dialogue with them about what they are reading
11:58:10 [email protected] : @peggyg- I guess I always thought that that was part of it.... not just whipping thru a book to say you did it
11:58:11 McTeach (Karen) : Peggy...do you have a link for that? Either the webinar or the project?
11:58:27 mrsdurff : those books are HEAVY
11:58:40 mrsdurff : I worry about their backs
11:58:55 PeggyG : yes-I'll find it-Report of the National Early Literacy Panel--years of research
11:59:19 MariaK : http://www.alfiekohn.org/teaching/rethinkinghomework.htm
11:59:36 McTeach (Karen) : I'm still trying to figure out how to teach without using the textbooks. Need to find more resources.
11:59:45 [email protected] : I used to do family projects- but the disparity between the parent and the kid produced work was a bit much
12:00:02 PeggyG : http://www.earlychildhoodwebinars.org/webinar-resources/ Scroll down to "Developing Early Literacty..." Can download the session slides and full PDF report there
12:00:52 [email protected] : Thank you Peggy I will share this link!
12:00:57 PeggyG : @McTeach-are you looking for more resources to replace the textbooks or validation for teaching without textbooks?
12:01:22 mrsdurff : making ccoffee
12:02:24 McTeach (Karen) : Peggy...first...thanks for the link!! Second...resources to replace the textbooks. It's just time consuming.
12:02:29 PeggyG : have been reading some really interesting things recently about the value of science fairs and how they are primarily parent projects
12:02:31 MariaK : @mrsdurff - Make mine black, please
12:03:02 mrsdurff : k
12:03:34 [email protected] : I've seen some amazing parent projects- they do nice work!
12:03:44 mrsdurff : updating the mini in prep for PETE-C trip - I sooooo need a vacation and this is it
12:04:15 MariaK : Hope you have lots of fun and learning, Lisa Durff
12:04:19 McTeach (Karen) : We weight our grades so that homework has very little impact on their grade.
12:04:25 mrsdurff : I don't think our parents are that smart
12:04:37 mrsdurff : ty cabgirl
12:04:39 [email protected] : If a child can ace a test, do they still get marked down for not doing the homework?
12:04:56 mrsdurff : I get to meet coolcatteacher F2F !!
12:05:31 mrsdurff : what do you suggest?
12:05:57 Lisa Parisi : HEllo Jamie
12:06:07 [email protected] : I found that some of my 9th graders really spent a lot of time on their projects- on their own, at home, when I let them choose their projects. Not so much when they are doing something I assigned
12:06:09 Lisa Parisi : Hello Elderbob
12:06:19 elderbob : Hi all.
12:06:23 Sheila (again) : I don't grade homework but do I consider homework completion.
12:06:25 connect2jamie : Hi all! I'm late! Dang!
12:06:32 PeggyG : choice is really important Maureen
12:06:40 mrsdurff : elderbob? you girls are honored
12:06:41 elderbob : I am using chat only, as I am working on burning a cd to a MP3 player.
12:06:56 elderbob : Good to see all the fine students.
12:07:02 McTeach (Karen) : Exactly Sheila!!!
12:07:04 elderbob : ...and teachers.
12:07:15 McTeach (Karen) : I hate those emails from parents! "Don't you teachers talk?"
12:07:20 PeggyG : @elderbob--audio is on ustream only. can you hear?
12:07:21 [email protected] : We have a homework schedule- homework can only be assigned for each subject on specific days
12:07:28 MariaK : welcome again - elderbob!
12:08:02 PeggyG : have any of you used the bingo type chart for allowing students to choose their homework tasks-complete a required number
12:08:04 elderbob : No Peggy, I am working on audio elsewhere. I am afraid to disrupt it as it is becoming a valentines gift.
12:08:25 [email protected] : If they have the whole week, do they have trouble with time management? I know I would- ultimate procrastinator
12:08:30 connect2jamie : Our dist middle schools are supposed to have a schedule as to what subjects can have homework on certain days. My experience was that no one really followed it. 6th grade was BRUTAL for my daughter for that reason.
12:08:31 loonyhiker (aka Pat) : Hi! Sorry I'm late - just got home
12:08:37 mrsdurff : oh like me
12:08:53 mrsdurff : yup heard that one
12:09:10 mrsdurff : so I don't assign any hw
12:09:26 PeggyG : Exploration Lab is a great name!
12:09:39 [email protected] : Or if you flip the classroom... then it would be easier for parents to see and understand the value
12:09:54 McTeach (Karen) : I also get parents complaining that their kids are spending HOURS on the computer doing their homework. I tell them they need to check to see if the kids are REALLY doing homework!
12:09:59 PeggyG : yes!! Lab Reports :-) new term for homework
12:10:00 connect2jamie : I like that!
12:10:17 PeggyG : you are so wise McTeach!!
12:10:40 McTeach (Karen) : Peggy...maybe that's why I keep getting migraines! :)
12:10:46 elderbob : I just dropped by to congratulate all the participants of EVO. It seemed to be a really smart group and lots of good work came from it.
12:10:47 [email protected] : @McTeach middle school kids are so easily distracted when working on the computer.
12:10:55 elderbob : Now, I have to go.
12:11:09 elderbob : Bye all, see you all on-line.
12:11:13 Lisa Parisi : Bye
12:11:20 mrsdurff : bye
12:11:31 PeggyG : yes McTeach!! may be related! too much thinking :-) deep thinking!
12:11:43 [email protected] : Kids should have "prep" time, like teachers- to prepare to learn/teach
12:11:46 McTeach (Karen) : Maureen...so's their teacher! :)
12:11:49 mrsdurff : nothing
12:12:05 mrsdurff : which is why we make podcasts
12:12:12 McTeach (Karen) : Three days in a row for this one, Peggy! It's killing me!
12:12:42 PeggyG : that is such a problem for you McTeach!!! sure wish they would go away!!
12:13:16 McTeach (Karen) : Me too, Peggy! Thanks!
12:13:24 mrsdurff : I have 11 preps - with zero time
12:13:38 mrsdurff : I would like to eat lunch some days
12:13:57 [email protected] : @mrsdurff- Lunch is overrated
12:15:01 mrsdurff : I'm hungry
12:15:04 [email protected] : Have one of the kids use a livescribe pen to record the class notes
12:15:15 PeggyG : http://wellofcraziness.blogspot.com/2008/01/rethinking-homework.html This is a great blog post with good tips for principals about homework policies
12:15:49 PeggyG : that article challenges the idea of required minutes of homework daily
12:15:55 loonyhiker (aka Pat) : Thanks to the link @Peggy. it looks great
12:16:17 mrsdurff : we all lived through it
12:16:43 PeggyG : "no study has ever substantiated the belief that homework builds character or teaches good study habits" from the above link
12:16:57 PeggyG : important to know what the research really says!
12:17:11 [email protected] : Or have the kids make up games to show others how they learned ie math facts
12:17:50 mrsdurff : times tables must be automatic
12:18:06 mrsdurff : much of math does not
12:18:52 mrsdurff : Stars?
12:19:15 mrsdurff : I got in trouble 15 yrs ago for handing out hw passes
12:19:32 [email protected] : Do teachers give homework to help kids, to make parents feel better, to have another set of grades in the gradebook? I've seen all of these.
12:19:32 mrsdurff : ah so long ago
12:19:52 Lisa Parisi : For me Maureen, it's partly to make parents feel better.
12:19:57 Lisa Parisi : And that's my dilemma
12:20:05 PeggyG : http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061009/083625.shtml This is a really interesting article and the comments are also very interesting! Shows the wide range of reactions to homework both pro/con
12:20:13 [email protected] : I found that if I paid attention in class, I could do well- homework was a pia
12:20:22 Lisa Parisi : pia?
12:20:24 mrsdurff : pia?
12:20:30 [email protected] : pain in the..
12:20:30 Lisa Parisi : oh got it
12:20:41 mrsdurff : is that like pie?
12:20:48 PeggyG : when you grade homework you really don't know who did the work...
12:20:55 [email protected] : No pie is good
12:21:00 mrsdurff : yes you do
12:21:05 mrsdurff : the parents do it
12:21:55 [email protected] : what about assigned reading in English class? So you can add to the discussion the next day?
12:22:15 Lisa Parisi : Absolutely Maureen
12:24:05 PeggyG : but it could also be asking them to find out/learn something about the reading content that would enrich the discussion in addition to or in place of assigned reading.
12:24:25 Lisa Parisi : Sometimes, my kids assign watching a video homework
12:26:58 [email protected] : Are your kids totally overscheduled afterschool? Ours have mandartory sports, so they essentially don't get home anytime before 5, then they have to eat... etc. Others have a lessons- ballet, swimming, karate, violin, etc... and don't get home til late. When do they get to play? To just relax?
12:27:24 Lisa Parisi : We definitely have that issue Maureen
12:27:35 Lisa Parisi : I see it with my own daughter.
12:28:25 [email protected] : I used to see that in K as well. I taught full day, and the kids were wiped- then needed to go to lessons etc... It was so silly
12:28:49 connect2jamie : Our kids are ABSOLUTELY overscheduled. Friends of mine with younger kids are often not at home any night of the week before 7 or 8.
12:29:07 PeggyG : homework is a way that parents can feel "involved" with school and sadly it's often the only way--asking their child if they have homework and then making sure they get it done. When kids don't tell them about what they're learning in school and teachers don't communicate it in some way (like blogs, wikis, etc.) they don't know how to get involved.
12:29:09 [email protected] : It feels like the kids are developing resumes in middle school
12:29:49 connect2jamie : I worry that our kids don't have ANY time in their lives to get a little bored...which I believe leads to creativity. Using imagination. Reading. All those things that make a well-rounded person.
12:30:00 mrsdurff : I was not allowed to have a job until I graduated
12:30:02 PeggyG : I agree connect2jamie
12:30:31 PeggyG : no time to think when you're overscheduled!
12:31:02 connect2jamie : I have an only child, so she HAD to learn to play by herself. Of course, she's an art major now, so maybe that was just her bent.
12:31:16 connect2jamie : My daughter is never, ever bored.
12:31:20 [email protected] : It's just so different now- I remember going to school, coming home- changing my clothes,doing my chores, then I could go out and play. Homework?? Not an issue
12:31:25 connect2jamie : She used to write when she was bored.
12:31:44 mrsdurff : does she make her own paint from scratch?
12:31:55 PeggyG : http://www.tnr.com/print/article/politics/82329/education-reform-Finland... "The Children Must Play" from Finland
12:32:08 connect2jamie : I don't think kids should have so much unscheduled time that they're neglected though. That's the other extreme.
12:32:29 connect2jamie : @durff LOL! That would keep her busy!
12:32:30 Lisa Parisi : And I have many kids like that, Jamie.
12:32:41 PeggyG : "The children can‚Äôt learn if they don‚Äôt play."
12:33:04 connect2jamie : @Lisa Absolutely. We do too. 2 extremes.
12:33:13 mrsdurff : be good y'all
12:33:24 mrsdurff : I;m off to PETE-C !!
12:33:27 PeggyG : another great conversation! Thanks everyone for your contributions!!
12:33:36 PeggyG : Have fun at PETE-C Durff!
12:33:38 connect2jamie : Thanks everyone! I hate that I missed the first half! I love having Conversations on Sunday morning! Have a great wk [email protected]!
12:33:55 Lisa Parisi : http://ettconversations.blogspot.com/
12:34:43 PeggyG : if you cancel be sure to post it on ETT calendar so people will know :-)
12:35:28 PeggyG : great! show next week but not the following week. Thanks.
12:36:00 connect2jamie : Interesting idea, Sheila.
12:36:15 PeggyG : Homework: timeline with 5 events that got you to the educational field by March 6?
12:36:22 connect2jamie : Bye!
12:36:28 PeggyG : thanks all!
12:36:41 PeggyG : what's the right date???
12:37:44 Sheila (again) : I won't be back until March 13th show.
12:38:00 PeggyG : ok-so have it ready by March 13th?