New Media 2006 Year in Review - Worldbridges Webcastathon Hour#42

New Media 2006 Year in Review
with Shelly Brisbin, Scott Fletcher, & Rob Walch
Worldbridges Webcastathon Hour#42

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Chat Log Below

12:44:58 ScottFletcher -> Wow, that was an interesting conversation. Unfortunately, we set the bar kind of high.
12:45:16 ScottFletcher -> Will we live up to expectations? Tune in and find out!
12:46:05 ScottFletcher -> I need to test my mic and Skype connection. Do you have a minute?
13:56:27 podcast411 ->
13:58:50 John in Atlanta -> Hi good people, and happy new year, world travellers
14:03:23 Durff -> I wish I were a world traveller!
14:04:11 John in Atlanta -> Going to Scotland in March for 15 days, thats 'bout it for me
14:04:51 Durff -> Lucky!
14:05:08 John in Atlanta -> Are you listening to the podcast of this room too right now?
14:05:38 John in Atlanta -> .<< listening on Skype right now
14:06:06 Durff -> I'm listening to the stream on RealPlayer
14:06:32 Durff -> and stuffing the Christmas letters to family
14:07:37 John in Atlanta -> I think that most of the Senators and Representatives are way way out of touch with the younger wired generation, and thus, there is a disconnect on reaching the 20 + set
14:08:15 John in Atlanta -> politicians need to get " unafraid " to reach their base
14:08:19 Ron -> Most of the voting public do not know what a podcast is.
14:08:28 JohnSchinker -> It's not necessarily bad that politicians reuse content for podcasts.
14:08:59 JohnSchinker -> It does provide a single place where people can get an audio platform for each candidate.
14:09:12 JohnSchinker -> It's more valuable, perhaps, for a third party to watch the races and aggregate
14:09:18 Ron -> Although I listen to several daily most of my friends my age (48) do not know what a podcast is.
14:09:20 John in Atlanta -> well, listening to the point the speaker right now is making, is quite valid
14:09:22 JohnSchinker -> right -- whoever's speaking -- exactly
14:09:42 JohnSchinker -> I found the Cleveland city club podcast very useful this fall
14:09:49 John in Atlanta -> a podcast of politicians would have extreme value for insomniacs
14:09:54 JohnSchinker -> They had all of the major candidates speak, and podcasted all of them
14:11:39 JohnSchinker -> Politicans can't do that, though, Rob.
14:11:50 JohnSchinker -> They have to be too concerned with their public image to speak off the cuff like that
14:12:15 JohnSchinker -> They can't get past the pre-prepared, vetted speech
14:12:17 John in Atlanta -> Yep, and when they do speak off the cuff, its usually a PR nightmare for the handlers... hahhaha
14:12:26 JohnSchinker -> yep
14:13:34 John in Atlanta -> I would have an ice princess than a soft warm, I will stay home and bake cookies Laura somebody
14:13:41 JohnSchinker -> Would podcasting change the demographic of those partipating in the political process? i.e. would it get out the vote among the 18-24 demographic?
14:14:13 JohnSchinker -> Laura wasn't running for senator -- she was running for first lady == national hostess
14:14:21 John in Atlanta -> Maybe what we need is a tough woman, ala Margaret Thatcher
14:14:42 John in Atlanta -> I kind of like Hillary's non nonsense fiscal sense
14:14:48 JohnSchinker -> Can you imagine Margaret Thatcher in a skypecast?
14:14:52 Durff -> ala Eleanor Rooselt
14:15:18 John in Atlanta -> LOL, mannn now THAT I would subscribe to...
14:25:58 JohnSchinker -> There's SO MUCH excellent content available for free that I don't think anyone would be able to sell a feed.
14:26:34 JohnSchinker -> Advertising is probably the only way to get money out of it, unless you have really special content that people HAVE to have
14:27:30 JohnSchinker -> Right, Rob. It looks like the conventional advertisers are treading very lightly.
14:28:03 JohnSchinker -> Look at Twit. It's possibly the most successful podcast, and they have a hard time keeping Dell and Visa, who have huge advertising budgets and can afford the risk.
14:28:16 podcast411 -> yup
14:28:58 JohnSchinker -> Part of that could be what Leo's charging -- I have a feeling he's pretty shrewd, but still....
14:30:57 JohnSchinker -> It's too bad that they won't build a community for free, and let everyone contribute
14:31:22 JohnSchinker -> Okay -- I see -- you're talking advertising, not subscriptions
14:36:03 Durff -> Twelve people in this Chatroom!
14:36:22 Ron -> The reward for podcasting is giving the author a platform for their message.
14:37:14 ScottFletcher -> Ron, I can't feed my family with that. :)
14:37:58 Ron -> that is why you can't quit your day job. sorry :(
14:38:04 JohnSchinker -> But Jeff, at what point does the podcast/webcast/etc become just an advertisement for the company?
14:38:35 JohnSchinker -> If Drupal were a company, you'd lose value as an organization, because that sponsored product is the solution to lots of different problems, possibly to the exclusion of others.
14:39:07 JohnSchinker -> Jeff, I'm happy in the text chat :-)
14:39:40 JohnSchinker -> Good point, that's kind of how Google ranks results, right? By the number of links to it?
14:43:26 JohnSchinker -> I'm still burning podcasts on to CDRWs.
14:43:45 JohnSchinker -> I get really upset when they're longer than 80 minutes
14:44:24 Ron -> NO! God FORBID!
14:44:51 JohnSchinker -> Multi-function devices don't do any of the things very well.
14:45:02 JohnSchinker -> I want an mp3 player that will store all of my audio.
14:45:11 JohnSchinker -> right, rob
14:46:42 DOliver -> Success!
14:47:59 JohnSchinker -> Amen. Audio is more portable, and for me, more useful
14:48:35 sroseman -> I agree, John
14:48:44 JohnSchinker -> So the barrier to producing professional-quality video is much higher than it is with audio
14:50:35 Ron -> for audio files I just send the link
14:51:04 Dennis in Phoenix -> That makes sense, Ron.
14:51:05 JohnSchinker -> It's become easier for the average person to put that audio or video file online in the first place.
14:51:12 Ron -> Pando may change the ability to send audio files.
14:51:25 JohnSchinker -> I don't have to have a compsci degree to post content anymore
14:51:49 lee -> I use my video 60 G iPod
14:52:15 lee -> I also use an M-Audio Microtrack with a G card
14:52:19 Dennis in Phoenix -> The quality of video I've seen on UTube is pretty bad.
14:52:31 lee -> I put it on a 500 G external hard drive
14:52:40 lee -> to store off the computer
14:53:33 Durff -> why save?
14:53:38 Ron -> I don't store video other than personal video I have made. Anything else is easy to download.
14:53:44 JohnSchinker -> My kids don't understand that broadcast TV can't show what they want when they want it.
14:53:57 JohnSchinker -> Everything should be available online on demand in their eyes
14:54:23 Dennis in Phoenix -> Teresa Almeida d'Eça in Portugal has done some outstanding things with middle school students—blogging, audio, a little bit of video.
14:54:25 Durff -> I agree with your kids
14:54:37 sroseman -> me too
14:54:55 JohnSchinker -> They don't get it. They want to watch Go Diego Go. Right now. They don't care if it's not on now.
14:55:35 JohnSchinker -> They also really get the telephone paradigm shift. Phones connect to people, not places.
14:55:46 Ron -> I have about 500 books in my personal library and don't use them because the information is easier to access on my PC and internet.
14:56:44 JohnSchinker -> There are lots of things in your library that aren't online.
14:56:58 sroseman -> Teachers/Students use podcasts to be reflective ... releated to their curriculum..definitely enhances the curriculum
14:57:07 JohnSchinker -> Bob Sprankle is a good example, but not a typical one. Note that the third grade class isn't doing a podcast this year, since he's not teaching it
14:57:09 sroseman -> related
14:58:03 JohnSchinker -> The podcast is a good deliverable for a student project
14:58:19 JohnSchinker -> But to sustain an ongoing audience may be counterproductive
14:58:30 JohnSchinker -> The podcast may become more important than the curricular content
14:58:59 JohnSchinker -> Good point. It has to work all the time.
14:59:42 Dennis in Phoenix -> I'll be back in a few minutes . . . .
15:00:02 sroseman -> Still not easy to use for the average busy classrom teacher with standards to meet etc.
15:00:16 JohnSchinker -> Is podcasting web 2.0?
15:00:21 sroseman -> but for the technically savvy I have seen some great results
15:00:36 charbeck1 -> it definately is 2.0
15:00:55 Dennis in Phoenix -> Definitely not—unless the teacher uses podcasting (or other technology) to [i]meet[/i] those standards.
15:01:00 JohnSchinker -> But 2.0 is user-generated, interactive content.
15:01:12 JohnSchinker -> Podcasting is a broadcast technology, even if it's on-demand
15:01:18 charbeck1 -> It is quick and easy stuents can and do create
15:01:59 JohnSchinker -> Rob made the point that they're already bigger than traditional media
15:02:28 sroseman -> AmberMac ???
15:02:31 JohnSchinker -> Didn't you have an episode/soapbox about satellite radio?
15:02:49 sroseman -> Canadian content?
15:04:35 Ron -> Cool, I missed it. :-(
15:05:47 JohnSchinker -> rob did
15:08:42 podcast411 ->
15:12:02 Dennis in Phoenix -> The Portuguese teacher that I mentioned has students reporting on what they did in their CALL lessons: very effective.
15:13:26 CathyN -> I say its NOT a podcast unless it has a feed.
15:13:43 Durff -> Educational Impact in K-12?
15:13:57 Dennis in Phoenix -> Maybe so, Cathy, but there are many interpretations of what a podcast is.
15:14:51 Dennis in Phoenix -> I'm glad to hear someone mention the inappropriacy of "Mychingo" for some users.
15:14:52 CathyN -> 1981? Showing your age!
15:15:14 JohnSchinker -> who said '81?
15:15:37 CathyN -> From the stream
15:19:07 Durff -> I was alive in '81
15:19:28 CathyN -> high school grad
15:19:56 Durff -> it was earlier than that
15:21:23 CathyN -> I agree with Scott---it should be we, but we is still not everybody, just those interacting.
15:21:40 Dennis in Phoenix -> Hear, hear, Cathy.
15:21:54 CathyN -> I hope that suddenly everone who see's that co ver starts to wonder exactly what they re missin.
15:22:15 CathyN -> My 73 YO Mom is part of "You."
15:22:20 ScottFletcher -> :)
15:23:09 JL -> would anyone esle in the skypecast like to chime in?
15:23:12 JL -> Dennis?
15:23:13 JL -> Ron?
15:23:21 Dennis in Phoenix -> Nothing yet.
15:24:21 Ron -> I have something?
15:24:39 JL -> jump in after shelly
15:28:39 CathyN -> And with the Time Magazine, I think there will be some more interest in knowing....
15:30:44 Dennis in Phoenix -> "Things that meet our needs at the time": good point. Many of the people who don't know what podcasting and blogs are [i]do[/i] use the Net and, given time and familiarity, would access podcasts and blogs more. It's just a matter of time.
15:31:14 CathyN -> Many teachers at my school know that I walk around from 6:30-7:30 in the morning listening to they know, thye just haven't jumped on the bandwagon yet. I do share too, things I think are of interest to them. Go figure--I'm a school media spec.
15:31:29 Dennis in Phoenix -> And even though more and more folks have broadband connections, there are still plenty, believe it or not, who don't.
15:32:09 Durff -> and some who don't have computers!
15:32:30 CathyN -> And many areas working to provide their areas with broadband. I've seen it mentioned by our Governor (SC) only this week--a goal to provide a fast connection statewide.
15:32:32 JohnSchinker -> I've had some teachers telling me that fewer of their students have good access than they would expect
15:32:49 Dennis in Phoenix -> Many teachers are afraid of technology—afraid because it's something new and because they like to feel in control and with newer technology don't.
15:32:55 JohnSchinker -> Parents buy computers for their MS students, but don't fix/upgrade them. Then, the students are in HS with equipment that doesn't work.
15:33:28 Dennis in Phoenix -> Good points, John.
15:33:43 CathyN -> Now that open source material is becoming more prevalent, those old computers are looking better and better for the have nots...
15:33:49 Durff -> so what skills do we teachers need to teach kids?
15:34:05 podcast411 -> A sense of humor
15:34:08 JohnSchinker -> Uh oh. Durff opened Pandora's box
15:34:32 Durff -> I did?
15:34:37 Dennis in Phoenix -> To be curious, to view online material critically, to realize that everything that's online isn't bona fide.
15:34:55 JohnSchinker -> Are we back to this?
15:35:02 Durff -> how about online etiquette?
15:35:03 CathyN -> podcasting in k-12 classroom is just another way to demonstrate concept mastery, but on a higher level of Blooms
15:35:30 JohnSchinker -> Right, Cathy. It's the deliverable
15:36:09 Dennis in Phoenix -> This has been very interesting. Thanks to all who made it happen.
15:36:26 Dennis in Phoenix -> Cathy: Yes!
15:36:36 JohnSchinker -> Thank you, everyone
15:37:02 Durff -> the nomenclature catches people's attention
15:37:21 Durff -> that's what "Web 2.0" does
15:38:25 Ron -> It was fun. Happy New Year ;)
15:38:46 ScottFletcher -> My show is so Web 3.0
15:38:52 ScottFletcher -> Happy new year!
15:39:06 Dennis in Phoenix -> Yes, Happy New Year!
15:39:34 JohnSchinker -> This is a whole other conversation, but it would be a significant uphill battle.
15:40:01 DougS -> Happy New Year to all -- great show, thanks
15:40:07 Durff -> what are the salient features of Web 3.0?
15:40:10 lee -> i take it there is no audio
15:40:17 lee -> happy new year
15:40:19 lee -> all
15:40:24 Durff -> I hear the stream
15:40:27 ScottFletcher -> Web 3.0 = A rich creamy texture with a hint of strawberry.
15:40:33 DougS -> JL call Second Life Web 3.0
15:40:36 DougS -> calls
15:41:12 Durff -> so it's 3D?
15:41:12 CathyN -> nothin' wrong with a typeo or two Doug
15:42:10 ScottFletcher -> We incorporate ALL of the d's into the Podcheck Review.
15:42:52 JohnSchinker -> It's Pocheck Review. You have to pay extra for the Ds
15:42:52 ScottFletcher -> And when I say "we," I mean "I."
15:42:56 Durff -> there are four quadrants...
15:43:15 ScottFletcher -> Po'check is in the hizzy.
15:43:34 Dennis in Phoenix -> Thanks again, everyone.
15:43:41 Dennis in Phoenix -> S Novym Godom!
15:44:14 podcast411 -> Thanks all
15:44:19 podcast411 -> Happy New Year
15:44:37 JohnSchinker -> Thank you eveyone. I have to go back to first life now....
15:45:09 ScottFletcher -> good bye, and thanks for your great feedback.
15:45:24 JL -> Thanks Scott
15:45:39 Durff -> Bye Scott!