Chat Log for TTT#99: From elgg to Drupal? 04.09.08

20:55:04 SusanEttenheim: hi gail
20:55:08 SusanEttenheim: hi dave
20:55:13 SusanEttenheim: hi bill
20:55:14 Bill O'Neal: Howdy!
20:56:22 dave_guest: yo
20:56:32 dave_guest: 'sup?
20:56:38 Bill O'Neal: Is the audio streaming? I cannot get hooked to the stream
20:56:50 SusanEttenheim: not yet
20:56:54 Bill O'Neal: Whew!
20:57:45 gail desler: Hi susan, is that why nothing is coming up in Real Player?
21:00:42 alicemercer: Where's the sound?
21:00:49 dave_guest: hee hee
21:01:07 PeggyG: No sound here either--happy to wait :-)
21:01:20 alicemercer: I'm not good at waiting...
21:01:22 Lorna: sound fine
21:01:27 Bill O'Neal: We are mimeing tonight only. God, how do you spell that one?
21:01:28 SusanEttenheim: hi all sound coming any minute!
21:01:34 SusanEttenheim: ah thanks lorna
21:01:43 alicemercer: mime, on radio?
21:01:46 alicemercer: How does that work?
21:01:49 alicemercer: I won't ask
21:01:50 PeggyG: Great sound now :-)
21:01:53 Bill O'Neal: It ain't easy...
21:02:00 SusanEttenheim: thank you
21:02:17 gail desler: HI is Alice
21:02:28 lee baber: HI Biill
21:02:34 Bill O'Neal: HI Lee
21:02:40 billfitzgerald: Hello, Lee!
21:02:41 alicemercer: You are
21:02:43 alicemercer: Howdy
21:02:56 Lorna: Hello everyone
21:03:30 Lorna: drinks all around
21:03:32 dave_guest: :)
21:03:35 Bill O'Neal: Is Paul speaking from above on high? I hear a holy echo when he speaks?
21:03:49 PeggyG: No!!!! 100 is a fantastic milestone! Time to celebrate!
21:03:52 billfitzgerald: Paul always speaks from high -
21:03:54 billfitzgerald: :)
21:04:00 alicemercer: TOO much, need to slow down
21:04:03 alicemercer: Hi Gail!
21:04:19 dave_guest: i wonder if we're the interesting people
21:04:26 SusanEttenheim: hey everyone is there really an echo?
21:04:28 gail desler: Hi Troy
21:04:36 billfitzgerald: I'm not hearing one
21:04:40 SusanEttenheim: hi troy!'
21:04:42 SusanEttenheim: ok thanks
21:04:49 alicemercer: Why's Dave there?
21:04:58 SusanEttenheim: bell o'neal are you still hearing an echo?
21:05:08 hickstro: Hi Gail, Susan, and Everyone!
21:05:09 SusanEttenheim: dave is going to talk about his drupal project
21:05:33 alicemercer: brb
21:06:02 gail desler: come back soon, Alice
21:06:31 paulalllison:
21:06:42 PeggyG: URL again for Living Archives?
21:07:11 dave_guest:
21:08:03 PeggyG: Thanks :-)
21:08:14 Lorna: looks great
21:08:19 SusanEttenheim: wow that sounds like something museums could learn from...
21:08:47 Lorna: it is so good dave
21:08:56 PeggyG: It is such an exciting, comprehensive project :-) Great job!
21:08:57 SusanEttenheim: elegant
21:09:16 SusanEttenheim: hi sroseman welcome
21:09:20 lee baber: I am really excited to get started
21:09:23 SusanEttenheim: is this a digital textbook?
21:09:24 sroseman: Hi Susan
21:09:33 SusanEttenheim: hi nedra welcoem
21:09:36 SusanEttenheim: welcome
21:09:46 Nedra: hi susan
21:09:59 SusanEttenheim: where and what do you teach? welcome!
21:10:02 lee baber: welcome nedra
21:10:13 PeggyG: could definitely be a digital textbook but hate to attach the name textbook to it :-) Not sure what they intended
21:10:29 Nedra: I teach k-5 computer classes in two buildings in upstate NY
21:10:37 SusanEttenheim: peggy just thinking back to that very old conversation of wiki textbooks
21:10:51 SusanEttenheim: near what city nedra?
21:10:56 Nedra: utica
21:11:08 SusanEttenheim: wow my brother lives just outside of utica!
21:11:21 SusanEttenheim: he is a patent lawyer
21:11:22 PeggyG: he just called it a textbook :-)
21:11:27 Nedra: I live in deerfield
21:11:30 SusanEttenheim: isn't tht funny!
21:11:35 billfitzgerald: it's part textbook, part process
21:11:46 SusanEttenheim: he's not there but nearby - don't remember right now
21:11:47 PeggyG: Very funny :-)
21:12:09 SusanEttenheim: bill isn't that the idea that process should be part of the textbook for the 21st century?
21:12:27 alicemercer: back
21:12:31 billfitzgerald: @ susan -- in a sec
21:12:35 alicemercer: Hey Nedra
21:12:43 Nedra: @susan that is funny
21:12:50 Nedra: hi alice
21:13:16 SusanEttenheim: hi caikeda welcome - what and where do you teach?
21:13:17 PeggyG: How do you find developers who know what they're doing with Drupal? That's our challenge.
21:13:23 dave_guest: :)
21:13:30 dave_guest: i can probably help you with that
21:13:32 lee baber: good question peggy
21:13:52 SusanEttenheim: dave what's the status of drupal academy these days?
21:13:58 PeggyG: Oh I'm not sure you could help enough--big learning curve in our group.
21:14:00 dave_guest: needs a leader
21:14:08 SusanEttenheim: hi kabod1 welcome - what and where do you teach?
21:14:15 Lorna: right leader and place to learn
21:14:18 lee baber: it is not hard to find good developers for drupal but for this particular appliation as dave said, he is working on that answer as we speak :)
21:14:21 PeggyG: Drupal academy? Sounds interesting :-)
21:14:32 lee baber: hope you dont mind my thoughts dave
21:14:37 SusanEttenheim: hi michael welcome!
21:14:50 Michael D.: Good evening all - Susan :)
21:14:52 kabod1: I teach 7th grade in East Lansing, MI
21:14:55 Nedra: any quick explanations to what is drupal?
21:15:13 SusanEttenheim: drupal is a cms - content management system
21:15:13 gail desler: "subtle" is an interesting word to use with a tool.
21:15:15 lee baber: hmmmm..who wants that one? ..
21:15:18 hickstro: Hi Aram!
21:15:18 lee baber: thanks susan
21:15:24 kabod1: hi troy
21:15:26 lee baber: hi troy
21:15:28 SusanEttenheim: let me get the url again
21:15:31 billfitzgerald: Drupal: a publishing platform, an organizational tool, a social networking platform
21:15:39 lee baber: great bill thanks
21:15:40 PeggyG: @Susan-great explanation
21:15:40 SusanEttenheim: hi lurker welcome what and where do you teach?
21:15:52 Nedra: thanks that helps!
21:16:08 lurker: oh, I am bagged, Wells, just listening and working:-)
21:16:26 Lorna: yes the work flow is important
21:16:44 Lorna: do you have examples of work flow?
21:17:30 Michael D.: Drupal...ok I need to play catch up
21:17:50 dave_guest: sure... Lorna
21:17:53 Bill O'Neal: What about Drupal 5.5? That's what our webhost has installed?
21:18:01 dave_guest: 5.7 is the current one
21:18:09 PeggyG: @Lorna-great question-thinking about work flow as you design your Drupal setup--that's the hard part for me
21:18:12 billfitzgerald: Work flow: student publishes: peer reviews: student revises: student republishes : teacher feedback
21:18:25 billfitzgerald: re 5.5: outdated -- upgrade soon!
21:18:47 SusanEttenheim: dave could you give us the Living Archives url again?
21:18:50 PeggyG: So what is the host situation for Drupal that is being recommended?
21:18:57 dave_guest:
21:19:02 SusanEttenheim: thanks
21:19:42 Michael D.: I'm sorry to come in late...but is there some place I can look to get the low-down on drupal? I'm finding their site a tad convoluted as to what it is.
21:19:49 SusanEttenheim: hi alexr welcome!
21:19:56 alexr: hi susan.
21:19:58 PeggyG: This audio will be posted with chat, right? I have some people I need to share it with. :-)
21:20:05 lee baber: hi alex
21:20:06 SusanEttenheim: yes definitely
21:20:11 alexr: Hi Lee.
21:20:14 PeggyG: Great!
21:20:25 SusanEttenheim: alex are you running drupal installs?
21:20:32 alexr: yes.
21:20:43 alexr: We're running a drupal ed, but it's not doing very well.
21:20:47 SusanEttenheim: what do you use it for and how is it going?
21:20:51 alexr: Going with a Drupal with gallery2 for photos.
21:20:52 SusanEttenheim: why?
21:21:10 alexr: Moodle has worked out better for us so far this year.
21:21:22 SusanEttenheim: interesting -w hy?
21:21:37 alexr: UI on Moodle just works well for faculty.
21:21:39 SusanEttenheim: anyone else here using moodle?
21:21:50 alexr: We did our show on Moodle today.
21:21:57 alexr: I'll have it posted soon.
21:21:58 dave_guest: @alexr it takes a long time to get the UI on drupal sorted
21:22:04 SusanEttenheim: to invite more teachers to use it?
21:22:13 PeggyG: @alexr-can you share the link for the Moodle show?
21:22:19 billfitzgerald: RE UI on Drupaled -- agreed!
21:22:22 alexr: @dave_guest yep.
21:22:38 alexr: @peggyg -- not posted yet. I'll get it posted later this week or early next.
21:22:43 alexr: Audio editing has been slow of late.
21:22:51 alexr: Watch for it on the EdTechTalk homepag.e
21:23:20 PeggyG: Excellent-I understand the time it takes! I have ETT as my home page now so I'll definitely find it :-)
21:23:26 billfitzgerald: @ alexr -- we'll be releasing code shortly that creates some simpler jump menus, and some user-based content privacy
21:23:56 billfitzgerald: the menus cleans up the UI considerably
21:23:58 Michael D.: If I'm gathering information right, Drupal is a web content development and management system hosted on a server? Does that sound right?
21:24:01 SusanEttenheim: hi carla - welcome
21:24:05 SusanEttenheim: hi dang welcome
21:24:08 carlaarena: hey, Susan!
21:24:14 billfitzgerald: @ MichaelD -- yes
21:24:21 carlaarena: I wish I went with Vance to meet you!
21:24:29 PeggyG: Can't you have blogs within Drupal?
21:24:39 billfitzgerald: @PeggyG -- yes
21:25:05 carlaarena: isn't ning good for you?
21:25:08 PeggyG: But they are having their students create blogs on blogspot outside of Drupal?
21:25:22 carlaarena: i feel ning is so appealing to younger students...
21:25:34 Michael D.: I showed ning to some students, their eyes lit up
21:25:41 carlaarena: it's true.
21:26:15 carlaarena: and still they have all the tools they like, plus blogs forum. they can make groups based on interest...
21:26:28 PeggyG: But Ning isn't hosted on your own server which is one of the problems for districts who seem to have social network sites blocked.
21:26:29 SusanEttenheim: yes carlaarena
21:26:34 Michael D.: nope
21:26:40 carlaarena: oh, I see, Peggy
21:26:41 Michael D.: oh wait I misread that
21:26:57 SusanEttenheim: I've used a few nings and I'm just not that in love with the interface
21:27:19 SusanEttenheim: also how many social networks can anyone be in?
21:27:30 dave_guest:
21:27:38 carlaarena: why, Susan? what didn't you like about it?
21:27:42 billfitzgerald:
21:27:44 PeggyG: Can "outsiders" access the Living Archives?
21:27:50 kabod1: The Living Archives website seems to focus on community building around educational topics that you select. Drupal organizes this sort of community?
21:28:21 Lorna: as a newbie - the learning curve is daunting
21:28:28 SusanEttenheim: hi durff
21:28:38 Durff: hi susan
21:28:51 SusanEttenheim: hi cathy
21:29:00 gail desler: Hi Lisa
21:29:10 carlaarena: hey, Durff1
21:29:25 PeggyG: @Lorna- I agree! Having trouble wrapping my mind around all of these tools.
21:29:58 PeggyG: @kabod1 That is a great observation about Drupal-I'd like to know the answer too :-)
21:30:01 Lorna: when I went to try and install drupal I gave up
21:30:02 Michael D.: I get the point of most of these tools individually, but bringing them together is daunting. So many pros and cons to each
21:30:16 billfitzgerald:
21:31:16 SusanEttenheim: hi sendkathy welcome
21:31:20 sendkathy: hi thx
21:31:24 alicemercer: Had to explain tag clouds last night. I forgot folks don't know what they are
21:31:47 SusanEttenheim: my students LOVE tag clouds they are fascinated by them
21:31:51 SusanEttenheim: so am I
21:31:53 sendkathy: hard to explain?
21:32:16 PeggyG: That tag cloud is incredible!!
21:32:31 sendkathy: Which one? Do you have a link?
21:33:07 sendkathy: hey Durff, Cathy E
21:33:10 SusanEttenheim:
21:33:14 PeggyG: @alicemercer - Yes, many don't really even know about tags
21:33:15 sendkathy: great
21:33:31 alicemercer: Well, it's a stats visualization, that's what i love about it
21:33:50 sendkathy: cool cloud, cumulonimbus? sp?
21:33:55 dave_guest: mmm... numbers
21:34:07 dave_guest: yay james farmer
21:34:43 PeggyG: link for edublogs?
21:34:49 Cathy E: hello all
21:34:52 billfitzgerald:
21:34:52 carlaarena:
21:34:55 dave_guest: yuck.
21:34:59 sendkathy: I planned to be here sooner but got caught up in hypertextopia! Cool idea
21:35:00 dave_guest: private CMS
21:35:07 Lorna: share alice links
21:35:20 dave_guest: i LOVE hypertexttopia
21:35:23 gail desler: Alice, jump in with some links
21:35:33 alicemercer:
21:35:36 PeggyG: Oh no--hypertexttopia?? What's that?
21:35:43 alicemercer:
21:35:50 alicemercer:
21:35:59 alicemercer:
21:36:05 sendkathy: @susan & paul have listened to podcasts many times but rarely get to listen live, this is a treat
21:36:19 SusanEttenheim: welcome sendkathy!
21:36:52 lurker: send kathy you are enjoying your vacation!!! you go. I am incognito, actually heading off to read the sunday paper! Bye from Wells, ME.
21:36:53 SusanEttenheim: thank you alice
21:37:33 SusanEttenheim: am sooo jealous lurker!
21:37:36 Lorna: Thanks Alice - great blogs
21:37:38 PeggyG: Hmmm--Wells, ME :-) not a lurker anymore
21:37:46 SusanEttenheim: hi jason welcome
21:37:51 alicemercer: Well, good
21:37:53 alicemercer: It's a start
21:37:57 lurker: nitey nite off to read the paper. bye peggy
21:38:05 PeggyG: have fun!!!
21:38:13 sendkathy: ah lurker from maine let me guess! hello and yes I am enjoying spring break
21:38:21 Durff: who is the lurker?
21:38:51 SusanEttenheim: sendkathy I forgot what state you are in?
21:38:56 sendkathy: @susan I hope to meet you and paul at podcamp
21:39:03 sendkathy: oh, I am in Alpharetta, GA
21:39:26 SusanEttenheim: ah
21:39:50 SusanEttenheim: sendkathy is that city/suburban or rural?
21:40:13 PeggyG: I've been following youthtwitter and have been impressed with their participation.
21:40:19 sendkathy: the burbs very much the burbs
21:40:35 SusanEttenheim: of atlanta?
21:40:42 sendkathy: elementary school with 1000 students
21:40:44 Lorna: There is so much out there it is hard to chose one over the other
21:40:48 SusanEttenheim: wow
21:40:53 sendkathy: we are north of ATL by about 30 miles
21:40:58 SusanEttenheim: yes indeed - it can be overwhelming
21:41:02 SusanEttenheim: ahh
21:41:05 sendkathy: in traffic only about 1.5 hours! lol
21:41:05 PeggyG: That is such an important point--have a purpose beyond connection!
21:41:09 Lorna: has any one seen a review of the different cms"s
21:42:01 billfitzgerald: difficult to get a worthwhile review of CMS's, as much of what you want a CMS is in the context
21:42:29 PeggyG: @Lorna-haven't seen a review but would find it very interesting--just to compare features
21:42:50 gail desler: Good point about "river of news" posting in blogs
21:43:04 billfitzgerald: -- one place for cms reviews
21:43:21 PeggyG: Yes, it's so hard to find the most relevant posts with river of news
21:43:24 Michael D.: I think tagging is a base system for what's being described, but not as sophisticated.
21:43:40 kabod1: Peggy, that purpose thing matters so much to the kids. The more they see purpose the more they care and try and the less cheating I see
21:43:45 sendkathy: scaling yes
21:43:50 sendkathy: he is so right
21:44:09 SusanEttenheim: yes kabod1 I agree - where are you and what do you teach?
21:44:27 Durff: dave the party pooper
21:44:33 PeggyG: @kabod1 Yes! comes back to the earlier point about authentic, real-world learning--it needs to make sense to them and they need to value it
21:44:35 dave_guest: :P
21:44:51 Durff: right back at you
21:44:55 carlaarena: about tags, social networking,
21:45:18 Durff: hey hi carla!
21:45:19 kabod1: I'm from RCWP and Troy is my mentor. I'm using wikis and doing digital stories with my 7th graders. They love voicethread too by the way
21:45:58 SusanEttenheim: great! welcome - have you heard our interviews with the founders of Voice Thread? You can find them at
21:46:13 Durff: have you seen booksgoglobal @kabod1 ?
21:46:26 sendkathy: link durff?
21:46:41 Durff: oh hang on
21:46:44 kabod1: yes, I'm using ed.voicethread because I heard the interview with the founders
21:46:53 SusanEttenheim: oh great!
21:47:11 SusanEttenheim: we love it too - what are you doing with wikis?
21:47:26 kabod1: booksgoglobal sounds interesting
21:47:45 PeggyG: working from nothing and building a textook-amazing concept!
21:47:58 sendkathy: risamtical structure?
21:48:08 dave_guest: rhizomatic
21:48:11 sendkathy: lol
21:48:24 PeggyG: @Durff-is that
21:48:35 Durff:
21:48:59 gail desler: Hello Nedra, good to have another Sacto person joining us tonight
21:49:00 PeggyG: Got it. Thanks!
21:49:31 sendkathy: I'm behind if anyone else this:rhizomatic - Gilles Deleuze and Félix Guattari used the term “rhizome” to describe theory and research that allows for multiple, non-hierarchical entry and exit points in data representation and interpretation.
21:49:42 Michael D.: I think students need to be given the tools to do those projects
21:50:01 PeggyG: When you're building a virtual textbook how do you address standards and that body of knowledge that will be tested?
21:50:18 kabod1: I have my kids working in wiki groups. they have uploaded their science fiction storie and public service announcements they made using movie maker. I'm using pbwiki right now. it's at
21:50:19 Nedra: Gail, Sacto?
21:50:33 billfitzgerald: the thing is: the tools create the connections -- students create content, and the structure arises organically around it
21:50:40 gail desler: Sacramento @nedra
21:50:48 PeggyG: Just saw breakdancing on TV on the American Idol giveback show :-)
21:50:54 billfitzgerald: re standards: another form of metadata
21:51:43 SusanEttenheim: hi ben welcome
21:52:02 Ben Davis: thanks. glad to be's been a while
21:52:07 sendkathy: nice kabo1!
21:52:22 PeggyG: @kabod1-love your wiki page! How did you create that moving image? :-)
21:52:28 SusanEttenheim: welcome back sroseman
21:53:13 sroseman: sorry Safari quit
21:53:14 Ben Davis: Peggy G, read that box below kabod1's walking man.
21:53:21 kabod1: I cited the website I borrowed that from on the wiki. I'm amazed and entertained by that moving image...I can't say I created it
21:53:52 sroseman: Can I get that wiki url?
21:53:54 PeggyG: Thanks--that is really cool-digital person-will read the details later
21:54:54 Michael D.: Part of the issue I think we're seeing today is so many original programs, there's hardly a standard interface people can adapt to because it varies so widely.
21:55:08 Bill O'Neal: Can Drupal be installed on a site capable of hosting multiple domains without overwriting the current server content?
21:55:12 Michael D.: Bringing that together in one environment, makes it more accessible
21:55:15 SusanEttenheim: that's good to teach students too michael
21:55:19 dave_guest: @Bill yes.
21:55:20 PeggyG: @sroseman--this one? ?
21:55:22 billfitzgerald: @ BoN -- yes
21:55:39 kabod1: I'll check out the booksgoglobal.wikispaces website later. Thanks for the feedback, too. I've gotta go.
21:55:39 sendkathy: So I have a question.. since all the web 2 tools are offering interactivity on some level then how do we judge their application in education. I mean what's a podcast any more?
21:55:39 dave_guest: @billfitzgerald lol
21:56:06 sendkathy: What do we really need?
21:56:14 Bill O'Neal: SO if I go ahead and configure my installaton that sits in a Drupal directory, it will not overwrite my existing files?
21:56:37 billfitzgerald: @ BoN -- not following your description
21:56:38 dave_guest: umm...
21:56:47 Michael D.: I think podcasts are great for teaching students to use their voices on the web.
21:57:03 sendkathy: yes, but isn't it still a duplication of effort?
21:57:03 SusanEttenheim: hi james
21:57:06 SusanEttenheim: welcome
21:57:11 SusanEttenheim: hi jennar
21:57:12 PeggyG: Sounds like you need a Drupal expert to manage your site to make it all work. The setup is so critical.
21:57:13 James.Sigler: Hi everybody
21:57:13 SusanEttenheim: welcome
21:57:28 dave_guest: @PeggyG not manage, create.
21:57:34 dave_guest: once built, it's not so bad.
21:57:36 SusanEttenheim: blog fatigue
21:57:46 billfitzgerald: @PeggyG -- what Dave said
21:57:52 Michael D.: It can be used as a base to other multimedia - so much has to do with voices now. Voicethread might be the next evolution of the basis of podcasts.
21:58:00 dave_guest: @billfitzgerald stop agreeing with me
21:58:07 dave_guest: it makes me nervous
21:58:10 PeggyG: it seems so complex that it might be both manage and create--you're saying it runs itself once it's set up?
21:58:18 dave_guest: pretty much
21:58:21 Bill O'Neal: Our main project site is I installed drupal at If I proceed to create a site will it screw up my FrontPage Server Extension created data already sitting on our 15 gb webspace?
21:58:23 carlaarena: this is not blogging!
21:58:31 carlaarena: they could just send an email!
21:58:40 carlaarena: for assignments
21:58:48 carlaarena: a lot of sense
21:59:39 sendkathy: there are very blurred lines btween blogs and podcasts and wikis, lots of blending going on as far as i see
21:59:48 dave_guest: i have
21:59:49 James.Sigler: yes, too many blogs to pay attention to. Especailly mine. ;)
21:59:55 billfitzgerald:
22:00:00 Bill O'Neal: I think I'll try it out on some other server space first...
22:00:06 sendkathy: yes
22:00:08 Michael D.: Too much content to aggregate
22:00:08 PeggyG: Yes :-)
22:00:15 Lorna: I love familites
22:00:17 Michael D.: we need an intelligent aggregator
22:00:22 James.Sigler: Yes, it's great!
22:00:30 Durff: i don't pay any attention to anything but coffee and dark chocolate
22:00:45 Michael D.: Is there one?
22:01:25 SusanEttenheim: hi ben
22:01:33 alicemercer: Sorry, running around, liked the discussion of not looking "schooly" It's what attracted me to Word Press/Edublogs
22:01:36 sendkathy: I have a comment. I have never seen a cms that looked friendly and inviting to me
22:01:38 sendkathy: so there
22:01:54 sendkathy: I need color, pictures and not just words
22:02:01 Lorna: I agree @sendkathy
22:02:22 PeggyG: @Michael-is that an oxymoron? intelligent aggregator?
22:02:30 billfitzgerald: @ Michael D: intelligent aggregator:
22:02:33 sendkathy: well, i know a lot of people talk structure but I think interface must be inviting
22:02:37 Durff: what is with the stream?
22:02:51 alicemercer: Someone asked last night, won't kids find stuff in diigo (or delicious) I'm like they are NOT interested. No pics. If it's video or images (like Live Search is a problem) they will look at it, but text is BORING
22:03:03 alicemercer: Stream is fine for me
22:03:07 sendkathy: so right Alice
22:03:12 Michael D.: That's a great thing, I'm glad it's in the pipeline
22:03:24 James.Sigler: lol
22:03:48 alexr: EdTechTalk -- the babble network
22:03:52 ben davis: hello susan
22:03:55 Lorna: How do you make it easy for everyone
22:03:57 SusanEttenheim: hi
22:04:02 billfitzgerald: @ alexr: lol
22:04:06 James.Sigler: EdTechBabble?
22:04:12 SusanEttenheim: that's what we used to do when designing websites
22:04:24 alicemercer: Oh SendKathy, want to critique my PD blog for ease?
22:04:24 sendkathy: As soon as website construction moved away from coding and went to the drop and drag the number of people comfortable with web design expanded, cms needs to take this pathway
22:04:26 SusanEttenheim: the case studies
22:04:43 sendkathy: sure I would be happy to
22:04:52 Durff: is this a partyline?
22:04:54 alicemercer: Be gentle with me, lol
22:05:11 SusanEttenheim: lol durff
22:05:20 PeggyG: @sendkathy--I really agree with your point!
22:05:26 Durff: really? sounds like it
22:05:56 billfitzgerald: writing it down forces you to examine what you know
22:06:10 billfitzgerald: and it's not always what you think you know
22:06:15 James.Sigler: @alicemercer At one time I created a PD reflection for my district. It didn't work. too much time.
22:06:26 billfitzgerald: from the Donald Rumsfeld Book of Knowing
22:06:27 James.Sigler: Oh, battery dying
22:06:31 sendkathy: alice, of course! Can I look at it after the show, otherwise I might miss something here!
22:06:37 SusanEttenheim: also bill then you are building for users not the builders
22:06:43 James.Sigler: bye
22:06:47 alexr: Sounds like the teacher needs to assign a writing assignment for next week.
22:07:06 alexr: Come to "class" (TTT) with your assignment.
22:07:17 lee baber: :)
22:07:51 dave_guest: :?
22:08:12 billfitzgerald: @ Susan: always build for the users
22:08:22 SusanEttenheim: yup
22:08:30 billfitzgerald: the builders should be the more tech savvy users
22:09:01 Nedra: Thanks, interesting conversation.
22:09:10 Michael D.: I really look forward to that memetracker module
22:09:16 Michael D.: it sounds great
22:09:17 carlaarena: great conversation
22:09:20 SusanEttenheim: so glad you joined us! join us again every week!
22:09:34 alicemercer: SendCathy: sure np
22:09:58 carlaarena: would love, susan!
22:10:15 PeggyG: I'm really glad you're doing this! It's mostly over my head and out of my experience but I can defnitely see the value and really want to see/learn more!
22:10:19 sendkathy: the builders should use backward design and start with the easiest friendliest interface to create incentive and motivation for students to WANT to become part of it.
22:10:37 Lorna: I agree totally!!
22:10:49 PeggyG: a prototype would be really interesting :-)
22:11:01 sendkathy: Lorna, do you have a blog?
22:11:09 Lorna:
22:11:13 Michael D.: I think technology needs to meet a need, figure out what is needed then figure out what addresses it
22:11:14 sendkathy: great!
22:11:19 billfitzgerald: Earl Miles Drupal 6 screencast
22:11:23 Michael D.: simplicity will follow
22:11:43 Lorna:
22:11:52 billfitzgerald: night all!
22:11:57 Lorna: nite
22:11:57 Michael D.: good night
22:11:59 lee baber: nite
22:12:07 Cathy E: nite all
22:12:11 PeggyG: Thank you all!
22:12:20 ben davis: good night
22:12:23 alicemercer: Night.
22:12:23 sendkathy: nite
22:12:24 carlaarena: bye, guys
22:12:28 alexr: night
22:12:28 Durff: nite
22:12:42 sroseman: nite
22:21:42 PeggyG: who's recording right now? sounds like a private conversation