21st Century Learning #72 - Planning Session

21st Century Learning #72
Planning Session - Spring 2008
May 14, 2008


arvind and Alex discuss where our show is and where they are going. We're hoping for some community input on this show. Who should we interview? Should our format change? What is good? What is bad? Do you want to be a guest host? Listen to this short show and then give us some feedback as a comment here or through twitter: http://twitter.com/arvind or http://twitter.com/alexragone

Photo from: http://flickr.com/photos/markbridge/358433689/

2008-05-14 12:14:14 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hey John, we're having some ustream difficulties
2008-05-14 12:14:35 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: I can see that :-)
2008-05-14 12:14:51 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: don't edit below this line is just a suggestion :-)
2008-05-14 12:14:56 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: anything I can help with?
2008-05-14 12:15:47 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Hey John.
2008-05-14 12:16:11 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Where do we edit the EdTechTalk uStream content....
2008-05-14 12:16:43 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Didn't find it in blocks.
2008-05-14 12:16:50 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: You could use the edtechtalk ustream account
2008-05-14 12:17:36 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: you are ustreaming.
2008-05-14 12:17:55 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: We're trying to.
2008-05-14 12:18:04 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: getting a loop.
2008-05-14 12:18:09 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: that's better :-)
2008-05-14 12:18:16 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: I didn't hear anything.
2008-05-14 12:18:24 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: okay. you're ustreaming now.
2008-05-14 12:20:26 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hey j osh
2008-05-14 12:20:27 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: welcome
2008-05-14 12:20:45 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: you broadcasting yet?
2008-05-14 12:20:56 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: did you get your email "problem" solved arvind?
2008-05-14 12:21:33 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: NM... hit play... audio problem solved :)
2008-05-14 12:21:53 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi sine. audio on the right under ustream or edtech A
2008-05-14 12:22:08 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: already got it! Thanks
2008-05-14 12:22:09 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: email still broken josh. still coming in for some reason! :)
2008-05-14 12:22:35 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: educators... tired... in may? GASP!
2008-05-14 12:22:49 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: Interesting...I was just thinking about this. What is the life cycle of a podcast?
2008-05-14 12:22:50 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi scmorgan! :)
2008-05-14 12:22:59 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: Hi arvind...
2008-05-14 12:23:09 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: nice to see you in real time
2008-05-14 12:23:22 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: I think my first time in real time:)
2008-05-14 12:24:04 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: what podcasts do you listen too? I'm trying to fill my iphone :)
2008-05-14 12:24:11 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: I know that...but really what I was thinking about was the way the ones that succeed finally end
2008-05-14 12:24:36 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: What's the graceful way to end a podcast?
2008-05-14 12:25:28 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: Summer hiatus -- time to line up some topics/guests for the year? Also -- less time on editing -- more "raw" audio? Try to improve the efficiency, maybe.
2008-05-14 12:25:29 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: sine "Good morning, Good Evening, and Good Night"
2008-05-14 12:25:30 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: Hi Josh...this is susan from finalsite (but not anymore!)
2008-05-14 12:25:32 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: ZeFrank gracefully ended his
2008-05-14 12:25:41 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: heya Susan!
2008-05-14 12:25:54 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: funny where you run into people...
2008-05-14 12:25:58 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: No kidding
2008-05-14 12:26:01 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: Most of them podfade.
2008-05-14 12:26:11 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: I'm going to a new school next year...
2008-05-14 12:26:30 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: ahhh I am back at my former school.
2008-05-14 12:26:57 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: And there are certainly enough of them -- I certainly can't listen to all of the ETT shows with the current volume.
2008-05-14 12:27:00 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: Right..I think that we don't want these good content podcasts to podfade. And perhaps the questions that drove this at the beginning don't exist any more
2008-05-14 12:27:14 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: I agree John...almost too many options
2008-05-14 12:27:40 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: These fill a different niche -- self-directed prof development -- so there is more of a committment to continuation
2008-05-14 12:27:57 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: Even Regis had to leave Who wants to be...
2008-05-14 12:28:27 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi jay, audio on edtechtalk A or ustream on the right
2008-05-14 12:28:30 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: It takes too much time if you don't get anything out of it.
2008-05-14 12:28:34 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: great questions!
2008-05-14 12:28:46 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: I listen to them when I run...the only problem is I want to write things down and I can't!
2008-05-14 12:29:08 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: scmorgan: I learned how to take notes while driving :-)
2008-05-14 12:29:30 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: :) maybe I could carry a secondary device and record thoughts
2008-05-14 12:29:33 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: scary, john!
2008-05-14 12:29:42 [Message] josh.sommermeyer -> -EdTechTalk: JohnS: um... yikes... I guess it is scarier when I email on my iphone when I am driving :)
2008-05-14 12:29:47 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: susan, i think you just invented the next ipod!
2008-05-14 12:29:54 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: :)
2008-05-14 12:30:51 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: Different time zones, too!
2008-05-14 12:32:27 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: It's easy. We don't listen to each other.
2008-05-14 12:32:36 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: But they have somone else working for them -- getting all the links!
2008-05-14 12:32:37 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: haha
2008-05-14 12:32:52 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: we need interns
2008-05-14 12:33:07 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: or the power of the community
2008-05-14 12:33:15 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: Yeah -- that's the best gig going. Get others to provide the content.
2008-05-14 12:34:41 [Message] sine -> -EdTechTalk: thanks -- gotta go
2008-05-14 12:35:10 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi bburke
2008-05-14 12:35:40 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: hi Jerry
2008-05-14 12:35:40 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: "If anyone has any content, feel free to send us a twitter."
2008-05-14 12:35:43 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: We have so many teachers who never clean up their laptops...
2008-05-14 12:36:30 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: I think having people coming on who are actually teachers working in real classrooms would be cool.
2008-05-14 12:36:39 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: True...and some are just getting started
2008-05-14 12:36:41 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: We hear so much from people like me, who don't really work with kids.
2008-05-14 12:37:00 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: I sat in on the University of Mary Washington's ustream...some great stuff there
2008-05-14 12:37:00 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: We lose context so often. It's okay when people are just getting started, because it gives us perspective.
2008-05-14 12:37:15 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks guys
2008-05-14 12:37:45 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: I've been ignoring twitter a lot lately, too.
2008-05-14 12:37:49 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: thanks for being here today all
2008-05-14 12:37:57 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: John -- Yeah -- I know that.
2008-05-14 12:38:05 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: Fire hose.
2008-05-14 12:38:05 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: We're ustreaming things from school now!
2008-05-14 12:38:37 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: http://www.learning-blog.org/2008/01/28/balancing-act/
2008-05-14 12:38:38 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: You don't catch all the fish. You don't watch EVERYTHING on tv. You can't read ever tweet.
2008-05-14 12:38:45 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Yep.
2008-05-14 12:39:37 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: We did password protect some of the shows tho
2008-05-14 12:39:55 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: http://remoteaccess.typepad.com/
2008-05-14 12:40:06 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: clarence
2008-05-14 12:40:19 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: fisher
2008-05-14 12:40:37 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Thank you.
2008-05-14 12:40:51 [Message] scmorgan -> -EdTechTalk: thanks ...gotta go:)
2008-05-14 12:41:29 [Message] JohnS -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks for doing this guys. I enjoy spending lunch with you (when I remember).
2008-05-14 12:41:29 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: bye all!
2008-05-14 12:41:36 [Message] arvind -> -EdTechTalk: :)
2008-05-14 12:41:47 [Message] alex.ragone -> -EdTechTalk: Thanks, John.


Hey Alex and Arvind, So, what makes a show on Edtechtalk successful? Your webcast has some of the essentials; a regular schedule, fresh content, a loyal audience (a niche) , and has shown adaptability over time. I do agree that the internet and the way we communicate is changing. Twitter has proven this over the last year or so. In a web 2.? world where everyone can go live (ustream, twitter, etc...) webcasting is a tool that brings back the conversation to a central location. It really is about the Long Tail and at edtechtalk we are about ALL conversations. Yes we do have our Super Shows ie; WOW 2.0, Teachers Teaching Teachers, Edtech Weekly, 21st Century Learning but we are also open to others. At It's Elementary we are getting close our one year anniversary. Our basic philosophy is to bring the conversation to this community and the way I mentioned above. We have a regular schedule. We felt that going every week was not feasible for us. We decided early on that we would target two shows a month but make sure we had at least one. We try to keep our content fresh and we do quarterly plan. We brainstorm possible topics for the summer, fall etc.. We have built an audience and YES twitter does help. And we try not to replicate content that others on ETT are producing. I also think that there will be times when we will face burnout. That's when the idea of guest showhosts really works well. I know Paul at TTT has proposed it before. And I don't feel anyone of us has an obligation to continue our shows forever. There are ways for graceful transitions. Not just stop and not come back. We can bring closure to one program and invite others to take the baton. And feel that it is ok for us to seek other projects either with ETT and the Worldbridges Network or outside of it. As we reach these cross roads on our webcast journey I feel all of us should do what YOU are doing now. We should reach out to the ETT community and get feedback. It gives us validation and helps us seek the direction our show should go. btw 21st Century Learning Webcast rocks. I am a loyal content consumer... Not live but offline as in now. Jose Rodriguez; It's Elementary

Hi arvind and Alex, I bet there are students who would be interested in being guest hosts, for instance, students who have opinions about technology and education, students who have experience being at 1:1 schools, students who are already hosting their own podcasts, vcasts and blogs. Another thought is that there are people who are experts in adult learning and professional development (not technology exclusively) and it could be interesting to hear from them about how adults learn, about how adults deal with change, etc, all with an eye to helping those of us who provide professional development become more informed and thus better about what we do. Lastly, many of your listeners have passions outside of technology. It could be amazing to learn from them about their interests. So, for instance, a show could be devoted to photography or the brain or SketchUp or kayaking or Morris dancing or conference attending or .... whatever! Wait, now here's my last comment! What about having shows with folks who have spent the past 20 or so years in the educational tech field and are now considering (or already doing) other fields or paths. How did they make the transition? What issues did they have to deal with? What are they doing now (or will they be doing soon)? Cheers, Laurie (Bartels) p.s. I bet there are students who would be willing to be interns :-)

Hey guys, how about getting some of the more interesting heads to be on your show next year? Not necessarily just talking about technology, but about change, professional development, their view of the world, etc.. What about going after a stipend from NAIS or some other funding source like EE Ford? You are providing a great service for the independent school world, I'll bet there are people with the vision and creativity and resources to help that service develop and flourish and become... sustainable. You also need to have more women on the show. :-) My 2 cents. Fred